BMW X3: Most reliable vehicle on Germany's roads

Yeah, too bad there aren't any Japanese cars on the roads in Europe.

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 12:14:11 PM | | Votes: 0   

The VWs made in Germany are well-built.

— Wimmer (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 12:44:40 PM | | Votes: 0   

"Yeah, too bad there aren't any Japanese cars on the roads in Europe."


...Right, I guess you just don't notice them, like other things you selectively don't notice.

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 1:37:53 PM | | Votes: 5   

"Right, I guess you just don't notice them, like other things you selectively don't notice."

Just like you didn't notice my sarcasm?

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 2:16:27 PM | | Votes: 2   

Yay!




We can format again!

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 2:17:04 PM | | Votes: 2   

Oh I noticed it alright, you'd have to be an idiot not to. It just that is was a very weak shot.

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 7:40:48 PM | | Votes: 0   

abcd, the law of large numbers says you're wrong.

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 4:54:06 PM | | Votes: 1   

LOL. Large numbers of drained batteries and damaged tires. That is exacly what I need to know whether some car model has e.g. more often airconditioning or transmission failure. Not to mention that peoples in Germany not often call for ADAC help when car is on warranty and it could be repaired by manufacturer's roadside assistance.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 6:06:59 PM | | Votes: 0   

abcd is right. ADAC statistics introduce some bias.

The data are collected by counting and normalizing roadside assistance events performed by ADAC Yellow Angels in Germany. Problem is some well-established German brands offer free assistance so drivers need to call ADAC no longer.

Meanwhile since Japanese or French brands (for instance) have servicing infrastructure less developed in Germany than, say, VW or BMW, they can't handle that many on-the-road incidents like failures and malfunctions by themselves, so drivers call ADAC. And the failure index for a specific brand grows.

— downtoearth (View Profile)

Posted on 2/11/2009 8:57:55 PM | | Votes: -1   

No, the law of large numbers would dictate that a large number of Toyotas driving around Germany for a year would not have a considerably higher rate of flat tires than a large number of Audis driving around Germany for a year. Downtoearth, do you have a list of the manufacturers in Europe that don't have roadside assistance?

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/12/2009 1:03:12 AM | | Votes: 2   

What kind of breakdown can possibly ADAC statistics report-mostly this ones that completely immobilized car, no one would be calling for ADAC becouse of airconditioning failure or transmission is not working properly, so there're many defects that are excluded from ADAC statistics, they mostly measure which cars have more often drained batteries-869 222 problems with battery of 3.7 million total interventions, that's 20%, flat tires account for 125 529 interventions. Here are statistics than can report all kinds of breakdowns:http://www.whatcar.com/news-special-report.aspx?NA=236323&EL=3263240....................This is based on the objectively measured (by independent warranty provider) number of breakdowns per 100 car.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 2/12/2009 4:01:06 AM | | Votes: 0   

So ADAC's information that for many years said that cars from Japanese manufacturers were the least likely to break down wasn't valid either?


"This is based on the objectively measured (by independent warranty provider) number of breakdowns per 100 car."


Yeah, according to What Car's web page the information comes from a company called Warranty Direct. Here's the US warranty information from the same company.

Reliability Index

"The American Index has been researched from over 450,000 vehicle records. Unlike our UK analysis, repair costs are not included in this analysis and the index reflects solely the incidence of failure as a percentage - *the higher the percentage, the higher the risk of failure*."


TOYOTA 24.05%
VOLKSWAGEN 24.29%
HONDA 25.07%

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/index_popusa.html

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?apc=&country=usa&searchtype=relindex#

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 2/12/2009 9:32:21 AM | | Votes: 3   

TurboSpyder:"So ADAC's information that for many years said that cars from Japanese manufacturers were the least likely to break down wasn't valid either?"----------Yes.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 2/12/2009 4:20:59 PM | | Votes: -1   

Ah..No it's the SECOND year in row. Ya didn't see the first line of the article?

"The BMW X3 has finished first in the ADAC quality ranking for the second time in succession."

— America (View Profile)

Posted on 2/12/2009 7:29:21 PM | | Votes: 2