Is The Lexus LS460L More For "Riders" Than "Drivers"?

its gotta be a riders car. the driver does even park. technicaly, the driver is a rider too.

— pacotacolol (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 3:36:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Overall, I would say it's more for riders because of the super soft suspenssion.

— SHOWTIME (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 12:52:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

You're all over the place dude. First: Every extended wheelbase luxury sedan is naturally more about passenger comfort than driving dynamics. Just because the 7 series includes some driving satisfaction in the package doesn't make this the primary character of the car.
Second: Your question is about driving dynamics, but then you go off about the exterior styling. Bland exterior styling doesn't affect wether this car is a driver's car vs. a rider's car.
That said, yes the LS styling is very dull and derivative. It looks a lot like a swollen Camry with some subtle BMW and Mercedes-Benz cues lurking just beneath the surface. This car is for the luxury buyer who desires to be very inconspicuous. The LS has absolutely no curb appeal whatsoever.

— pushrod27 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 1:07:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

riders not drivers.

and, yes, it's very easy to mistake a camry for a lexus and vice versa from 30 feet away.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 1:08:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Only based on 2007 World car award,and sales that tell the rest of the story.

— autopro (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 5:45:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

It is well known that Car and Driver hates Lexus so their reviews about Lexus are worthless. Consumer Reports just named it "The best car we have ever tested". Just depends on where you are coming from I guess.

— cbro980 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 7:20:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

it's true. those senior citizens LOVE the LS.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/11/2008 1:33:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

clown!

— Need4Speed (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 5:56:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

haha you make me laugh. since when did the ls excel in driving?

— chris760 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 12:26:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

This is the cheap or wannabe "Rider's Car" on a huge budget. Riders should be wealthy enough (in my opinion) to be able to afford a Rolls-Royce, Maybach, or Bentley.

The V12 Armored S-Class(GUARD) is the next step down and a decent Rider's car. This Lexus just screams "Aspiring Nouveau Riche"

— w209w114 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 1:26:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Its a pish-posh, cushy, leathery luxury car, like a comfy couch. Serves a great purpose, has good value (reliable, good resale) with crisp under the radar styling. It's not a drivers car. But it shouldnt change, because it sells in this niche.

For comparison, the A4 has never matched the driving dynamics or acceration figures of the 3 series (base models, not the S4 or M3!). Although it competes, and sells, because it fills a niche. The LS does the same amongst its competitors.

If you want to talk about a failing luxury flagship, take a look at the Jaguar.

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 1:33:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

The S-Class is bland compared to the LS ???????

— w209w114 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 5:27:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

S-class is for riders and drivers..the LS not sure what it is for..?

— kpaxx (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 2:14:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Is The Lexus LS460L More For "Riders" Than "Drivers"?

Neither, the car is more for Parkers :-)

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 5:27:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Was this ever under dispute? Is there a point to this article?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 5:58:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I hate all LWB cars anyway, they look disproportionate and are slower than their non LWB models. So yea, the "L" is for riders.

— StickShiftCamry (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 8:18:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Some people that can't think outside of the box will say it's not sporty and can't do blah blah on the track. I remember reading one magazine write-up when this thing came out and they were disappointed because it didn't perform well on the track.

Here's a Smack of Reality for you! Cars like these are not made for TRACKS!! That should be obvious to anyone with a half brain that a car that has a Shiatsu massage is not made for the tracks.

— RealitySmack (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 8:49:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

The US market is no longer that important. Just send the leftovers here. Europe will emerge in 2008 as the biggest market in the world and we all know how well Lexus does there.

— VISO (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 11:48:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

yup. the sales figures speak for themselves.

and howcum i hardly see any Ss or 7s tearing around race tracks? hmm.

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 3:38:45 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Lexus boys use the dumbest excuses to back this car up when comparing it to the European competition.

"The truth is that, in the real world, there are very very very many people who don't need a full size sedan that handles like a sports car."

Are you dim? Of COURSE nobody needs a luxury sedan that handles like a sports car... and the LS certainly does not give you that.

HOWEVER, the Germans (and Jaguar) give you all of the luxury that the Lexus does, along with an added dose of agility and impeccable handling. Who WOULDN'T want a car with no compromises? The Mercedes-Benz S-Class and Audi A8 are exactly that... no compromises. And you have to pay the price.

As for sales. No, the LS has not outsold the others for what you mention. It sells better because it costs less.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 6:13:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I'll make my self clear straight up. I'm no fanboy of ANY brand. Because I own at least 3 different cars from 3 different countries (German, USA, Japan).

With that said, all I'm going to say is that when I drive 100 miles in my Lexus and BMW on the SAME route. My back hurts in the BMW and not in the Lexus! EVERY TIME!

So, if some fanboy (i.e. Audi/Lexus/BMW/MB) is going to come here and say which is more luxurious than the other, I know I can smell a BS. Because I know what the truth is. And this is not just my own observation but, many others that have set in my car and who actually own more than one of the brands.

— RealitySmack (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 7:54:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

the L ya.. just like the 750 Li .. and A8 L... ect

L = for people in the back.. or annoying children your trying to distance yourself from

— AMGC55 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 9:03:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I thought this fact was established from day one the car was presented to the masses?

— Bill (View Profile)

Posted on 1/9/2008 9:17:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

When you're #1, everyone hates you, especially the fella who's not getting his pockets stuffed full of cash before a review.

The more excuses they come up with, the more lame they sound. Looks like a Camry. Hmm, maybe he is right, they both have 4 doors and 4 tires.
http://z.about.com/d/alternativefuels/1/0/Y/7/-/-/07_08Camry_Hybrid.jpg
http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/lexus-donates-special-2008-lexus-ls-600h-l-to-fight-cancer/1015601+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-lexus-ls600hl-front-rightjpg.jpg

It's absolutely amazing how BMW made the 2007 750iL and the 2007 328i look completely distinguishable from one another, even the trunk lid and silhouette look nothing a like. (and these are 2 separate generations)
http://www.motoradictos.com/images/2007/08/tn_bmw_2006-750li-002_2.jpg
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/241574.jpg

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 1:00:54 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

It's for "mature adults".

— EvoAudi (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 1:10:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Again why would you buy this when you can get a 7 or an S which is nearly the same price but performs much better and have a better ride..especially the S.

— kpaxx (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 9:09:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Obviously!

— supermoto (View Profile)

Posted on 1/10/2008 4:54:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The Lexus is a riders car. It's nice but it doesn't compare w/the S-Class or 7-Series or even the A8. I have sat inside my pastors LS460 L and drove it, It was more exciting sitting in it. The S550 on the other hand is both a drivers and riders car. The Benz has alot of gadgets to keep one busy while riding or driving. Lexus is sup-par, it only sells well in America b/c its the cheapest Premium Luxury car you can get. #1 Premium Luxury car is the S550, followed by the 7-Series. But hey the Lexus is still a pretty nice car.

— Tonee (View Profile)

Posted on 1/11/2008 12:37:34 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Just look at the scoreboard boys,your getting your ass handed to you.

— autopro (View Profile)

Posted on 1/11/2008 6:18:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The Lexus LS 460 are for those lucky few.

— LexusLion (View Profile)

Posted on 1/12/2008 3:49:56 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Please repost this article again in two weeks, like you always do. :(

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 1/12/2008 2:49:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Seriously, trying to prove which brand is better is pointless. 009 you post a lot of worthless stuff..

EVERYONE knows that for a while the Germans have produced better handling cars. So in terms of handling, yea, the German cars will always appeal more. But not all of us care about that. So there's lexus catering to them. Now give credit where it is due. Lexus is making an effort to put more "soul" into their cars, so we'll see. I have driven a lot of cars. Personally, Acura does it best for me, but remember thats just me.

So I wonder what the next "009 Lexus vs Euro pointless debate" will be?

— acuramike (View Profile)

Posted on 1/12/2008 4:39:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The LS460 is clearly for riders. But for riders that doesn't want to get to much attention.

It's a car of choice for CEO's that are getting chauffeured to the office and doesn't want to catch the attention of its employees... as it doesnt looks like a 100 K plus car (just like the Phaeton).

— MSP6 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/15/2008 12:47:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2