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RUMOR: THE NEXT RX330? WHY CHANGE?
A new Lexus RX330 was unveiled at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show. American Spectators wondered why a replacment for America's best selling crossover already was in place. Lexus answered the question with a firm answer

"Because the design would soon grow old and a new style would be nessessary."

Still we wonder, why change so soon?

Toyota's Corolla had only minor changes since 2002. It has had its latest major design change this year. Why doesn't Lexus do that?

Lexus is considering the new RX330 as a 2010 model, on sale late 2010.


RUMOR: THE NEXT RX330? WHY CHANGE?



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pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/13/2007 4:39:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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I hope this won't be another one of my very disputatious articles again

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/13/2007 6:13:35 PM
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disputatious, Good Word!


pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/15/2007 2:43:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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no. i just never really realized the difference... becuase there is no difference. just a name change


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 12/20/2007 11:28:48 PM
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The RX does not have proper front seat height adjustment. I bang my head on the roof every time I try to get into it even after the salesman adjusts the seat to its lowest position. Also, the RX used to have a matching alloy wheel in a proper wheel well below the floor inside the vehicle. It is now outside below the vehicle floor exposed to winter salt and snow. Lexus can keep the RX as far as I am concerned -- they won't sell one to me, especially if they keep ripping off Canadian customers by not lowering the price to U.S. levels now that the C$ is at par.


AMiodynskiAMiodynski - 1/23/2008 3:45:37 PM
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The RX350 and RX400H (which is the Hybrid Version) will be re-designed for the 2010 model year. The 2009 RX's are the same as the 2008 models. The only thing new is that the 2009 has a Pebble's Beach Edition.

If Lexus keeps on track with what it's been doing with the RX since it's introduction, it will be released in either the early Spring of 2009 as a 2010 model. The 2009 RX's are already on their way to the dealerships...


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/13/2007 5:14:38 PMView My AgentSpace
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Uh... it is.

#1. The RX330 has been discontinued. It's now the RX350 and RX400h. To be safer, just put "The next RX" instead.

#2. This car isn't a rumor. It was a concept (LF-Xh), and while it's not guaranteed for production, it will likely become the next RX, in a toned-down form.

#3. The RX's current design is looking very dated. I would think that, in such a cutthroat market (crossovers), Lexus would want to put out the new model sooner, like 2009 or even late 2008.

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HyundaiHyundai - 12/13/2007 5:18:30 PM
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^^^ What he said...


w209w114w209w114 - 12/14/2007 12:32:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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I agree 100% This artile MAKES NO SENSE!!!


autoproautopro - 12/13/2007 5:25:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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The Rx is in its sixth year,usually they change every five.It sells so well they didn't need heavy incentives.The new one will again dominate.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/13/2007 5:34:28 PMView My AgentSpace
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The RX330 came out in 2003 as a 2004 model. It's 2007, and most cars are 2008 models.


DaHarderDaHarder - 12/13/2007 5:31:26 PM
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Why Change?

(Note: the RX-series... That Is)

Because in the automotive world, this vehicle is fast approaching ancient in its current guise.

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investor27investor27 - 12/13/2007 5:50:13 PM
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The concept RX certainly looks manly enough with the overly aggressive front end and hood. Maybe this will be the RX model that finally attracts more male buyers.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/13/2007 6:02:33 PM
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Its 'Armored Assualt Vehicle' window line might also attract the young urban crowd if it's retained in the production version.

(Note: I, personally, think that this concept looks like some Mad Max-ian/Pseudo Futuristic version of the current... Not My Thing)


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/13/2007 6:23:54 PM
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Don't you me "a" male buyer.


user75user75 - 12/13/2007 8:45:40 PM
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@theoptimisticpessimist

i see more women driving lexus' more than any car out there... especially th RX


answeranswer - 12/13/2007 6:46:05 PMView My AgentSpace
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The current RX has already had a mid-life refreshening, so the timining of its replacement sounds correct.

Plus, competitors such as Hyundai's Veracruz and Mazda's CX are "cooler".

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pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/17/2007 4:02:18 PMView My AgentSpace
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veracruz? Car & Driver called it "Just Another Crossover To Add To The Long List"


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 12/13/2007 7:10:26 PM
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the car has been out for 5 years ago...the same amount of time as the RX300 that changed to the RX330.

it is about time for a redesign. the competition is very competitive in this segment. Plus, the highlander is already out, and technically, based on features, it trumps he RX. lexus would not let its parent company do that.

the RX is also the best selling (perhaps less or more not sure than the ES) and therefore is very important to lexus. they need to keep the buyers coming and make it revolutionary, like it was back in 1999 and 2003.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/13/2007 7:21:34 PM
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Well, I'm a 'Logical' kind of guy, and there was nothing 'revolutionary' about either the 1999 or 2003 RX-Series.

Sure it's a decent enough vehicle, but really is little more than an re-bodied/luxed-out Camry wagon aka Toyota Highlander aka Toyota Harrier.

Nothing More


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 12/13/2007 8:20:26 PM
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lexus proved to the world that an SUV can drive like a car with the RX300 in 1999. it started the entire suv boom that not provides the ML, the FX, the CX-7 and 9, and all the others. lexus was first.

the 2003 version proved that you can have an SUV that drove like a car, and still kinda look good in it. the RX330 and 350 is a pretty sleek car.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/14/2007 12:36:52 AMView My AgentSpace
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The Mercedes-Benz ML320 came out in 1997 as a '98. The Lexus RX300 came out in '98 as a '99. Believe me, I bought one of the first RXs.


chhyeeaachhyeeaa - 12/14/2007 12:41:56 AM
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Sorry kid, no to both counts.

Lexus had neither the first luxury SUV, nor the first SUV to drive like a car, and to be honest, the first RX wasn't particularly good at either of those things.

Subaru has been building car-like SUVs for longer than Lexus has even been in existence, and the concept has been toyed around with by automakers for decades.

As for the Luxury SUV thing, you can argue that Mercedes-Benz was there way before Lexus with the G-Wagon and the original ML, although neither of those were "crossovers" and I don't even know if they were the first to do it.


chhyeeaachhyeeaa - 12/14/2007 12:42:44 AM
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Actually, come to think of it, Land Rover has been building "luxury" SUVs forever. So take that.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 12/14/2007 3:27:55 AM
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yeh i had one too, a 1999 RX300 and now i have a 2004 rx330. both were great cars.

the original ML was nothing compared to the RX. even though it came out first, it doesnt mean they did it better


M53RM53R - 12/14/2007 7:20:29 AMView My AgentSpace
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The 1st Ml was rubbish. It felt so cheap that it didnt even deserve an MB badge.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/15/2007 4:12:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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"the original ML was nothing compared to the RX. even though it came out first, it doesnt mean they did it better"

I agree, but I was just stating the facts.

We looked at the ML320 before going with the RX300. The Lexus dealer happened to have a '98 ML320 on the lot, and our salesman went over to us and said he would show us something. He put up the hood... and bent it, like rubber. Then he went over to the RX300. It wouldn't bend. I was sold right there.

Now, with our X5, the only way to bend that thing is by crushing it with a steamroller. It's a tank!


EL34EL34 - 12/13/2007 8:01:21 PM
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Why not just get a Buick Lucerne and have more room?

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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/13/2007 8:21:32 PM
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Am I to understand that you meant - Buick Enclave?


mikeydred20mikeydred20 - 12/13/2007 8:45:55 PM
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It is due for a change as many noted it has been out since 2003. Many dis Acura but the MDX has heated rear seats which the RX doesn't offer and just about everything thing else the RX has. If Lexus wants to stand behind there Pursuit of Perfection they have to change, perfect doesn't stay still and let the competition catch up.

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autoproautopro - 12/20/2007 5:04:27 PMView My AgentSpace
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It won't be catch up it will be pass up.As for sales numbers its called dominate.


huu76huu76 - 12/13/2007 9:36:01 PM
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The RX needs to get bigger, if not for real, then atleast in perception (i.e. MDX looks big, but is cramped inside). The Highlander looks big compared to the current RX. Lexus probably feels the need to raise the bar again.

I see plenty of women driving around in Cs and 3s. The men who drive around in a 3 might as well be women. I can't recall the last time I saw anyone but a woman drive an X3/X5.

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TheSailorTheSailor - 12/14/2007 5:45:09 AMView My AgentSpace
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"Lexus probably feels the need to raise the bar again"

On what?! The pseudo-SUV-built-on-a-sedan-platform bar?! This car isn't a benchmark at anything... It is just a cheap Lexus on stilts!


mikeydred20mikeydred20 - 12/15/2007 10:06:11 AM
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The only cramp part of the MDX is the 3rd row seat, which who needs it anyways. The front legroom is one of the best in class and the second row is average for an SUV.


Designer1Designer1 - 12/14/2007 3:11:37 AM
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I just hope they make the next RX a rear wheel drive.

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pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/15/2007 2:42:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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it should just be an option


JUGNUJUGNU - 12/14/2007 6:44:36 AMView My AgentSpace
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If the next RX looks anything close to that concept, Successs is gurrenteed. That will be one stylish, sleek and plushest Crossover.

JUGNU

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M53RM53R - 12/14/2007 7:24:51 AMView My AgentSpace
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The concept won the ugliest concept of the year award in my book. It looks like a squashed bug, with camry headlights. Lets hope it doesnt look like the concept. :)

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JUGNUJUGNU - 12/14/2007 1:00:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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but u were drooling over the X6 concept,right. In my book that's the ugliest.

JUGNU

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M53RM53R - 12/14/2007 4:43:56 PMView My AgentSpace
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Yes, the X6 is sexy :) Nothing ugly about it, unlike this one...


pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/15/2007 9:19:08 AMView My AgentSpace
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agree.


huu76huu76 - 12/15/2007 2:17:51 PM
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Sailor,
Yes, raise the bar. I see you forgot that BMW felt the need to follow Toyota and change the 5-series chassis into th X5, ditto the 3/X3.
The 6-series will probably be transformed into their upcoming mini-van (with legendary BMW handling of course).

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TheSailorTheSailor - 12/15/2007 3:03:43 PMView My AgentSpace
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LOL... The E53 didn't have a 5-series chassis (which is pretty clear as it doesn't share the 5-series platform designation "E39" or "E60")... It was built on it's own separate platform... It did have some components from the 5-series... But nothing of the scale of the RX sharing components with the RX... And the new model is built from scratch with model specific components.

Let's see you dodge that with your legendary deafness...

BTW: You still haven't mentioned just how you think this is going to raise any bars... You just launched (Dare I say "yet another") a pathetic counter attack which doesn't have anything to do with my post...


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/15/2007 4:15:27 PMView My AgentSpace
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The X3 is built on the E46 3 Series platform, I believe, but the X5 doesn't share its platform with the E60 directly.

That was a very evasive post, huu. Nice try, though.


huu76huu76 - 12/15/2007 2:18:58 PM
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mikey,
To me, the MDX interior is cramped because the centre console/island thing takes up too much space.

I like the MDX, I just sort of wish it had more interior space.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/15/2007 4:16:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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Oh, that interior is so gaudy. Far too much "wood" that's cut in odd shapes. I don't like the interior door handles, either. They remind me of those off a '90s Chevy sedan or something.


huu76huu76 - 12/16/2007 2:58:00 AM
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Sailor, Foxy,
"BMW designed the X5 for on-road performance and handling. Short overhangs, a compact size (the original was 4.5 inches shorter than the 5 Series sedan of the same time period) and a car-based chassis combined to give the X5 its low stance and superb on-road performance"
http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x5/review.html

I did recall when the X5 first came out that it was a shortened, widened 5-series chassis. BMW could have given it a new number, but I bet it's primarily still based on the same design.

Regarding raising the bar. The new X5 3.0 barely manages to match the RX350 in interior space, cargo capacity and mileage now (the X5 has larger dimensions). Both can't off-road. The RX has a tighter turning circle by about 4 ft, ideal for city driving. Both the diesel and hybrid versions do combined 34.9mpg UK (RX wins city, X5 wins highway).
The next RX will again raise the bar.

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TheSailorTheSailor - 12/16/2007 7:33:16 AMView My AgentSpace
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I still doesn't see how you expet it to raise the bar... You just mentioned some stats for two cars... And you forgot that the X5 3.0sd (the one with the new engine) has the same EU rating but is significantly faster (7 seconds to 100 kph vs. 7.6 and 235 kph top vs 200kph) than the RX400h... And the present X5 has a significantly larger luggage compartment (620 l vs 440 l), it is longer, wider and taller... And it looks so much better


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2007 1:44:48 AMView My AgentSpace
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Please, drive the X5, even the inline six. It's simply much more upscale than the RX. It feels like a nicer car... because it IS, numbers regardless. You sit there with your interior space calculator while I'm here having OWNED both of the cars.


autoproautopro - 12/20/2007 5:07:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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I recall the first X5 being recalled 9 times.


huu76huu76 - 12/16/2007 2:59:30 AM
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So what was that again you guys were saying about claiming to have a clue? I know more about BMW than you morons.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2007 1:47:19 AMView My AgentSpace
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Nope, you just took a look at their spec sheets. I'm sure you don't know that the X5 is now available with a power tailgate for 2008, or that it will get the 3.0TT next year, or that the 535d will be available next year, or that the 7 Series will be standard with the 4.0TT V8 in the US, or that the 3 Series sedan will receive a mid-cycle update soon...


huu76huu76 - 12/16/2007 3:08:53 AM
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Poor guy, BMW gave the 3 and X3 different chassis numbers but he seems to think they're based on the same platform.

"The handling is as you would expect from BMW (not surprising, considering the X3 is built on a 3-series platform."
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jh/07x3.htm

Would you guys like some history on the propellor?

This is so funny, last line pretty much sums up why BMW sells.
"But BMW also has been the make of choice for Yuppies and Wannabes, and the X5 is right up their alley."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=44276

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M53RM53R - 12/16/2007 9:13:55 AMView My AgentSpace
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As I always say, enjoy your jeep :)


pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/17/2007 6:58:56 AMView My AgentSpace
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the mdx is sorta out of the questio

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david999david999 - 12/17/2007 6:31:58 PM
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I believe that a refresh is supposed to be the 2009 model year.

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huu76huu76 - 12/17/2007 10:16:37 PM
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M53R,
I always do.

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huu76huu76 - 12/17/2007 10:35:08 PM
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S4,
This is a joke right? Did you know the 2004 RX330 had the power tailgate? Before that, the defunct 2002 Lincoln Aviator had it.
The 2004 RX330 also had directional headlamps, did the X5? I believe they even beat Audi to market with that one (supposedly both Audi and Lexus showcased it back in 2002).

The X5 diesels won't be any better than hybrids (see my previous posts), but thankfully they will be dirtier (who needs fresh air right). We know, it has torque, all BMW has to do now is give it a chassis that can actually handle it.

Wow, BMW does mid-cycle refreshes? They must be the only manufacturer to do that. I never knew. Thanks.
More SUVS with even crappier mileage, way to progress.
BMW's really going to have to bribe the EU to back off on their proposed new standards.

Please, try again, I'm beggin' ya.

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huu76huu76 - 12/17/2007 10:47:04 PM
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S4,
No, I haven't driven the new RX or X5, but if what everyone says is correct, they're just taller versions of their sedan counterparts.

I have fully driven an A4, A6, IS300, ES330, Cadillac DTS, a Boxster, MDX, now a Cayenne and even Chrysler's Concorde feels more upscale than BMWs. Even my Jeep feels more upscale than a stripped down propellor on a hood (that happens to be attached to a car). There's just something about real leather I suppose that makes a care feel more expensive. The new X5s may finally come with it, but I do remember that the last X5s came standard with pleather which was a disgrace.
I will give the X5's interior credit for looking a little better than most other bimmers, but it's not by much.

But anyway, I've already proven that Lexus leads, BMW follows.

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