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Toyota is bad for America!
Last week Sen. Obama launched a broadside on Detroit automakers arguing that the lagging fortunes of US automakers were the result of their failure to "answer the rising global demand for fuel-efficient cars."

The problem is that Sen. Obama has missed the secret to Toyota's success.

An industrial relations model that treats workers like machines, and has pursued a union evasion strategy employing permatemps and wage parity to reduce the incentive to unionize.

But Toyota worker's wages are set to drop, if Toyota has it's way.



In February of this year, an internal memo detailing Toyota plans to slash wages in their North American plants was leaked to the media. Shockingly, the plan appears to call for Toyota to reduce worker pay by more than half.


The company acknowledged that the documents supplied to the Free Press were authentic.

In a memo to workers at the plant after the report was circulated, Toyota noted that workers at Georgetown earned $3 an hour more than the U.S. auto industry standard. The Free Press reported last week the workers averaged $30 an hour, including bonuses.

Currently, the median for comparable manufacturing jobs in Kentucky -- half earn more, half earn less -- is $12.64, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.

Toyota's strategy resembles what Hyundai Motor Co. uses at its plant in Montgomery, Ala. Assembly workers there make $14 an hour, about half the wages, bonuses and benefits of Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Detroit's automakers. But Hyundai's wages still are considerably higher than for comparable Alabama jobs, which pay $10.79 an hour.

"Our challenge will be how to educate team members and managers about our condition, so that they can understand and accept change," Sudo said in the report.


And it's not just about wage reductions. James Parks over at the AFL-CIO blog reports that Toyota is "dissappearing" workers in order to replace long time workers with permatemps with much lower wages and largely without health benefits.

That's right.

They fired workers because they were injured on the job. That whole "satanic mills" thing seems to be on the rebound with global corporate elites.


...workers say the company, which is nonunion, is firing employees who are injured at work. In addition, full-time workers are being replaced with temporary workers who are paid half what regular team members earn and have little or no health insurance, workers say.

At the town hall meeting, Tim Unger, an 18-year veteran Toyota worker, said he's noticed that some long-time workers have "disappeared" from the plant after they were hurt on the job--victims of Toyota's quest for improved efficiency. Says Unger:

Shoulders would wear out, wrists would require surgery and back
and hands started to fail. It seemed as if the good people who
contributed to the success of Toyota were being used up and
disposed of like garbage.


Earlier this year Toyota overtook GM as the world's largest automaker, yet Toyota workers in Kentucky, Indiana, and California are having their hard work rewarded by being replaced by permatemp workers. Is this really the industrial relations model we want dominating the auto industry?




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EL34EL34 - 3/27/2008 12:16:33 AM
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Obama be right :-/

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HomberSimslinHomberSimslin - 3/27/2008 12:27:15 AM
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And your cry baby whiny assed opinion would be.....?


TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 3/27/2008 2:18:41 PMView My AgentSpace
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(Search for "Toyota" in this article)

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Death by overwork in Japan

Jobs for life

Dec 19th 2007 | TOKYO
From The Economist print edition


Japanese employees are working themselves to death

HARA-KIRI is a uniquely Japanese form of suicide. Its corporate equivalent is karoshi, “death by overwork”. Since this was legally recognised as a cause of death in the 1980s, the number of cases submitted to the government for the designation has soared; so has the number of court cases that result when the government refuses an application. In 1988 only about 4% of applications were successful. By 2005 that share had risen to 40%. If a death is judged karoshi, surviving family members may receive compensation of around $20,000 a year from the government and sometimes up to $1m from the company in damages. For deaths not designated karoshi the family gets next to nothing.

Now a recent court ruling has put companies under pressure to change their ways. On November 30th the Nagoya District Court accepted Hiroko Uchino's claim that her husband, Kenichi, a third-generation Toyota employee, was a victim of karoshi when he died in 2002 at the age of 30. He collapsed at 4am at work, having put in more than 80 hours of overtime each month for six months before his death. “The moment when I am happiest is when I can sleep,” Mr Uchino told his wife the week of his death. He left two children, aged one and three.

As a manager of quality control, Mr Uchino was constantly training workers, attending meetings and writing reports when not on the production line. Toyota treated almost all that time as voluntary and unpaid. So did the Toyota Labour Standards Inspection Office, part of the labour ministry. But the court ruled that the long hours were an integral part of his job. On December 14th the government decided not to appeal against the verdict.

The ruling is important because it may increase the pressure on companies to treat “free overtime” (work that an employee is obliged to perform but not paid for) as paid work. That would send shockwaves through corporate Japan, where long, long hours are the norm.

Official figures say that the Japanese work about 1,780 hours a year, slightly less than Americans (1,800 hours a year), though more than Germans (1,440). But the statistics are misleading because they do not count “free overtime”. Other tallies show that one in three men aged 30 to 40 works over 60 hours a week. Half say they get no overtime. Factory workers arrive early and stay late, without pay. Training at weekends may be uncompensated.

During the past 20 years of economic doldrums, many companies have replaced full-time workers with part-time ones. Regular staff who remain benefit from lifetime employment but feel obliged to work extra hours lest their positions be made temporary. Cultural factors reinforce these trends. Hard work is respected as the cornerstone of Japan's post-war economic miracle. The value of self-sacrif



TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 3/27/2008 2:19:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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self-sacrifice puts the benefit of the group above that of the individual.

Toyota, which is challenging GM as the world's largest carmaker, is often praised for the efficiency and flexibility of its workforce. Ms Uchino has a different view. “It is because so many people work free overtime that Toyota reaps profits,” she says. “I hope some of those profits can be brought back to help the employees and their families. That would make Toyota a true global leader.” The company is promising to prevent karoshi in future.




abcdabcd - 3/27/2008 4:22:15 PM
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hahaha...they are then like bees or ants .
do you really think this is possible with peoples . i don`t , particularly this dead by overwork . i agree that dead by overwork is possible in very bad conditions in nazis or soviet work camps for examples.



kthorkthor - 3/27/2008 6:05:14 PM
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It's worthwhile trade-off: Smug people get to drive around pleased with themselves in their delusion that they are helping the environment by driving around a battery filled, gasoline powered car while the builders of the car are worked to death, or until they are permanently handicapped and then fired. Go ToyLex!


NagooyaNagooya - 3/27/2008 12:22:57 AM
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Toyota's are ugly.

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HomberSimslinHomberSimslin - 3/27/2008 12:30:08 AM
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LOL, true..but also very smart for investing in some poor states where there are low income level folks needing a job..not to some Mexico or Cananda to go us hungry.

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EL34EL34 - 3/27/2008 12:36:57 AM
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Toyota is an outsourcer building cars in America.

Those cars should be built in Japan :-(


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M35MTM35MT - 3/27/2008 7:45:50 AMView My AgentSpace
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Shut up Obama, its only time before you and Hillary and permanently silenced.

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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 3/27/2008 11:02:20 AMView My AgentSpace
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^^^too bad we can't ship some people out^^^^

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rockerrocker - 3/27/2008 11:17:33 AM
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GoObama08 - Rev. Jeremiah Wright?

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agntbrwnagntbrwn - 3/27/2008 2:07:58 PM
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isnt there suposed to be some sort of age limit for joining one of these forums? if there isnt, can we put one in? like nobody under 14 please?

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rockerrocker - 3/28/2008 9:33:52 AM
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Stop bitching. You should really worry about Hillary and how you can recapture the Democratic populous' backing.

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stash84stash84 - 3/28/2008 1:56:23 PM
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Obama is the best thing that can happen to this country..

Hillary Clinton AND her husband are liars !!!!!

uh..Bosnia ???!!!????



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LACMANLACMAN - 3/28/2008 12:40:01 PMView My AgentSpace
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...as I was reading everyones comments (silliness), I totally forgot what this article was about too...

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cycocyco - 3/27/2008 4:49:15 AM
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"Oh wait, Republicans shipped all of them to China. Ooops!"

How are Republicans shipping jobs to China?


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RupertRupert - 3/27/2008 8:34:28 AMView My AgentSpace
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I don't understand that either...it means we have a cheaper goods - why is he complaining??


RupertRupert - 3/27/2008 12:36:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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It is a good one, goods are cheaper.
Do you have any idea how expensive clothes would be if they were all made in the US? Imagine the union problems the Big 3 have but with clothes or computers!

Hate the republicans all you want, I'm hardly their biggest fan (and if I were in the US I would certainly vote Obama), but Chinese manufacturing has enabled the American middle classes to buy things that would have been far out of their reach, like mobiles, TVs, and many other electronic goods (probably the computer you're writing on).



GeorgemiaGeorgemia - 3/27/2008 5:47:08 PM
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How did the Republicans export jobs to China? By allowing the yuan to trade at a 30% discount, allowing China to charge 18% import duties on US auto parts while the US charges nothing on theirs.

By borrowing trillions of dollars to finance a war and the illusion of tax cuts

China now owns much of our economy, and we can't deal with our banker because the US is a dead beat borrower.

Why can't the US make competitive cars? Because our own goverment makes our industry compete with two hands tied behind its' back with nails in their boots.



RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 12:15:11 PMView My AgentSpace
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Well we've had a left wing government in Britain for 10 years now, and most stuff is made in China and most call centres are in India...it's not a Republican thing.
And why are the middle classes weak? Surely cheaper stuff helps them?!?



evilmevilm - 3/27/2008 7:40:10 AM
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The fact is your government spends more time taking potshots at YOUR industries while propping up foreign industries. If you go to Japan I goddamn guarantee you , you will not find anything like this happening there.


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RupertRupert - 3/27/2008 12:40:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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The US would not collapse because of European and Asian companies buying US businesses - it's called foreign direct INVESTMENT for a reason - more investment, more jobs, more money for the US. Everyone wins. And with the economic trouble you're having at the moment, you need all the FDI you can get, and your getting it because of the weak dollar, which has massively encouraged Europeans to buy US products (why do you think GM has set up Cadillac in Europe? Because they make a bundle due to the exchange rate!), buy invest in US companies and travel to the US as it's cheaper! A ton of my friends are going/have gone to the US simply because it's now so cheap there, it's becoming an affordable holiday destination! The weak dollar may look bad, but it's helped you no end.


sold2earlysold2early - 3/27/2008 8:42:50 AM
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I think The Onion produces more credible stories than this. Was this intended to be serious?

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DutchmanDutchman - 3/27/2008 10:06:58 AM
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Guess who loans the United States all the money we spend on war machines and bullets....yep the Japs and Chineese.

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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 3/27/2008 2:24:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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Yup.

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So just who are these lenders? As of last June (the latest complete breakdown available), the biggest holder of Treasury debt was the U.S. government itself, with about 52 percent of the total $8.5 trillion in paper that's out there. Most of the government’s holdings are massive savings accounts for programs like Social Security and Medicare. Just as you may prefer to keep your Individual Retirement Account in the safe Treasury bonds, the folks who manage the Social Security Trust Fund are looking for a secure investment, too.

That’s leaves a little over $4 trillion in public hands. ***The biggest chunk (about 25 percent of the $8.5 trillion total) is held by foreign governments. Japan tops the list (with $644 billion), followed by China ($350 billion), United Kingdom ($239 billion) and oil exporting countries ($100 billion).***

Other big holders of Treasury debt include state and local governments ($467 billion); individual investors, including brokers ($423 billion); public and private pension funds (319 billion); mutual funds ($243 billion); holders of US savings bonds ($206 billion); insurance companies ($166 billion) and banks and credit unions ($117 billion.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/

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LexSucksLexSucks - 3/27/2008 10:20:06 AM
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The more I read these responses, the more I realize what a bunch of fools I'm sharing the planet with.

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r_driver04r_driver04 - 3/27/2008 12:07:09 PM
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Interesting discussion on a automobile blog. We all know what's happening to America. And the beautiful thing about this great country is that everybody's a fool and an expert all in the same breath.

I say just be sure to vote and leave it at that!!!



hybridfarcehybridfarce - 3/27/2008 2:15:20 PM
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+1 to LexSucks and r_driver04

You should see the politics on the "green" car blog sites...



chewychewy - 3/27/2008 4:13:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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Americans don't want cars that get good mpgs. As a politician you either do something about it (like a gas guzzler tax for all cars) or stfu about people not picking fuel efficient cars themselves.

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SteveSteve - 3/27/2008 4:22:41 PM
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Time for "nicehomer" to do some more homework! Everyone has their own pet theory on why "something is". Most are uninformed.

When people bash Toyota or Honda or others for their business practices, these bashers forget that the very same companies have set up shop in the US and in Canada, making vehicles there, using North American labor at going North American rates, and with North American union issues, in North American factories, using North American technology. And yet, these foreign-owned companies seem to be able to do a better job than North American companies, even when playing side-by-side on North American turf.

Time to be honest with ourselves. America is brilliant at many things. But delivering a *desireable* real-world car to the American market is something with which they seem to struggle. They've proven it can be done, but much too infrequently.


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Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 3/27/2008 4:31:31 PM
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Toyota is the Borg and resistance is futile!

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dano100dano100 - 3/27/2008 6:40:55 PM
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What Toyota is doing is not unique. It is happening in all of American industry. And the UAW is assisting this effort.

I work for PPG Industries and they are a major automtive supplier. I have been there 36 years. Our plant had been non union for the past 49 years. Last year we voted in the UAW because of fear that the company was going to cut our wages and benefits. Our contract was finally ratified last month.

The result: The UAW negotiated a $1/hr. CUT in pay, agreed to let the company eliminate 4 of our 6 health insurance choices, let the company discontinue matching our 401K contribution and allowed them to hire permatemps at $9/hr. with no benefits. I make $21/hr. but will be replaced by a $9/hr. person at retirement. We were told by the Union that it was the best we could hope for and to vote yes.

Meanwhile our CEO received $8.5 million in salary and bonus's for 2007. I do not begrudge anyone being paid great sums of money as long as they have earned it by doing their job successfully, in this case making all the divisions of their buisness profitable. Our division, automotive glass is the legacy of the company (formerly Pittsburgh Plate Glass) but current management for some unforseen reason decided to let us "die on the vine" by not spending money on capital improvements for over a decade, then complaining that the Chinese and others are kicking our ass. Not hard to figure out when the compitition has the latest technology in their plants and we are using worn out 40 year old machines.

By the way, glass has never been unprofitable. It is just not making double digit profits that their "hot" new aquisitions have made. There is no loyalty to the American worker any more. What these CEO's don't realize is they may have their reward now but not in the next life when they see the lives they have ruined because they refused to do the "hard work" it takes to keep a buisiness healthy and remaining loyal to those who made their past successes possible.


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brioboybrioboy - 3/28/2008 1:45:15 AM
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Dano 100 got it right. There is a story/joke on the net about the rowing race between the Americans and the Japanese. The Americans have 7 overpaid chiefs and one rower and can't figure out why they can't beat the Japanese team, so they add more chiefs and pay them even more. Meanwhile the Japanese have one chief and 7 rowers, all paid the same and the Americans still can't figure it out. Unlike Dano 100, I resent the American disease of grossly overpaid CEOs and top brass, which crossed the border some 30 or so years ago and that, together with extremely dumb and selfish decisions, led to the demise of my company - which was easily equal to PPG. The Japanese, although not perfect, have far greater loyalty and selflessness and it is no wonder that Toyota and Honda are beating the hell out of General Bullmoose.


fatboifatboi - 3/27/2008 7:46:12 PM
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the topic starter should be sent to serve in iraq along with chris bangle.
america is bad to automotive industry, there is nothing wrong with toyota! if there is anything wrong then itn will be in the americans .. why because toyota and every japanese manufatures owns them and their crappy cars.
you cant compare any american production with japanese in any segment, roll over the world and you will find that american cars sucks the most. 10 diffrent brands share the same platform !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!tell me what japanese brand has something cheap like that .
why do americans hate japanese cars ? because they cant afford to buy them


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huu76huu76 - 3/27/2008 10:22:56 PM
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Gobama,
Bubba Clinton endorsed China's ascension into the WTO, thereby opening the flood gates. Jobs were going to China snce the early 80s, Clinton just helped to make it a lot easier and McCain (my beef with him) doesn't want ot change it, while the other two have yet to put any concrete plan as to how they'll entice companies to stay in the US. I know the first time they give them incentives, China will run to the WTO and lodge a complaint about "unfair" subsidies.

Gov'ts pay back corporations by letting them make as much profit as possible, whether left or rightwing.

What we need is a conflict with China so no trade is possible. It'd also show us which country can stand on its own, and which needs its enemies to purchase its slave labour goods.


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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 3/28/2008 6:29:28 AM
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"Gov'ts pay back corporations by letting them make as much profit as possible, whether left or rightwing."


there actually is a label when the gov't is in bed with a country's leading capitalists (or "captains of industry" to use a slightly archaic term).

it is f-a-s-c-i-s-m. FASCISM.

the Left generally tries RESTRICTING abuse of power by Big Biz.
while the bill clinton administration was moderately Left on social issues, it was Centrist or even slightly Rightist on economy issues.

the Bushites fascism, with its Homeland "Security" is doing the old 1940s fascist regimes ONE BETTER. they have gov't computers monitoring ALL your bank and other financial transactions. you don't even need $10,000 cash transactions to trigger an alert. 500 $5 transactions flip the trigger too.




puggo63puggo63 - 3/27/2008 11:37:19 PM
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Toyota is doing what corporate America has been doing for decades, this is not something new. It is all about the bottom line and pleasing shareholders. It is all OUR fault as well because we, as a US consumer, demand lower and lower prices too. Big corporations want bottom line profits and we want cheap prices so this is what we all are seeing happening>>>outsourcing, "made in China" goods, offering little to no insurance, no benefits periods. People, employer/employee loyalty died a long long time ago...everything now is about the bottom line and meeting our insatiable need for lower price goods and services.

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lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 3/29/2008 10:55:41 PM
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i thought autospies.com was about cars...oh well . guess i was wrong

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groupracergroupracer - 3/28/2008 7:08:11 AM
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...what this world needs is an asteriod about 20 miles across, then nature can come up with some thing better...

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evilmevilm - 3/28/2008 12:35:36 PM
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toyota has become Americanized in its way of thinking. do you ever wonder why americans are despised in so many countries???

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evilmevilm - 3/28/2008 12:36:23 PM
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America is like the big bad CEO that treats everyone else so poorly.

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PorschinatorPorschinator - 3/28/2008 1:23:59 PM
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Gimme a break on US business people. Toyota's success is due to a smart business strategy and its leading roll to fuel efficient cars.

Japanese auto industry has it much easier than US Auto Industry for two main reasons. 1) Toyota does not have any Unions and 2) Toyota does not have to pay retirement/medical; the Japanese Gov't covers that.

The upside to Unions is that it protects the worker, the downside is that the Union flexes its muscles to over pay workers and get what 'they' want. In a perfect World it would work both ways. Like most companies Toyota want to get more for less from its employees and a good business will pay according to the postions average pay rates. GM and Ford workers were complaining that Toyota was paying a little more and now this should get interesting.

If Toyotas does cut pay I fear it will be disasterous. I see a major increase in recalls due to unhappy workers. US workers tend to be less loyal or see work differently than Japanese workers. In Japan its a part of your Honor to work hard for the company and tend to get stepped on more. Also I believe US workers are one of the most productive so that is not an issue.


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evilmevilm - 3/28/2008 1:28:50 PM
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It's pretty hard to be loyal to a company when you hear how they are pilaged by CEOs.

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evilmevilm - 3/28/2008 2:31:45 PM
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The U.s as a country belongs in the stone age. Imperial measurement no healthcare.A corrupt government.

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MattBMattB - 3/29/2008 5:14:59 PM
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You are an idiot. Plain and simple.


MattBMattB - 3/29/2008 9:06:26 PM
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This site is for cars, not politics, but since you seem to think universal health care is such a good idea, allow me to provide an example of what it's like in practice.

According to the Canadian Medical Association Journaal, in some parts of Canada, the average wait time for an MRI scan is 22 MONTHS. That's a simple diagnostic procedure that you can get done in the United States on a moment's notice. Now imagine Canada's universal health care system done on the scale of the United States. High taxes, long waits for care, and mediocre quality of care. Imagine how many people will get sicker or even die because they have to wait in lines for simple diagnostic procedures.

Stop listening to idiots like Michael Moore and think for yourself.



atomicbriatomicbri - 3/29/2008 8:09:43 AMView My AgentSpace
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I disagree with any company that hires permatemps... all this does is cause more issues on many other markets in the marketplace. WHen these people get no benefits, and end up having to go to the hospital, the medical industry loses because these people can not afford to pay the bills for their care. Meanwhile companies that practice this, like Toyota, grow their bank accounts and give the CEO's and such fatter wallets. I think the US should make a law that if you work so many hours in a week, regardless of being full time or part time, that companies should have to offer a basic healthcare package. Other benefits not so much, but in a modern world, simple things like preventive care and regular checkups should be available to every citizen in a modern country.

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lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 3/29/2008 11:03:14 PM
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just when i thought this site was a toyota/lexus fanboy vs. german3 fanboy battleground, it just became a political playing field that has something to do with health care and what-not.

what's happening to this website??? next we might be arguing over religion, or something even more futile. i think im going crazy...

btw, barack HUSSEIN obama (oops, a little political incorrectness there) is a crack head full of hot air and empty promises. universal health care. BAH!

uh-oh. now im starting to sound like everybody else on this thread.........


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