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WTF American car workers make more than University Professors with PhDs!!!
Dr. Mark J. Perry, professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan, recently released a study concerning UAW pay/benefits in America in competition with Japanese automakers' and professors'. The study declared "the average UAW worker with a high school degree earns 57.6% more compensation than the average university professor with a Ph.D. and 52.6% more than the average worker at Toyota, Honda or Nissan.
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WTF American car workers make more than University Professors with PhDs!!!



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LexusLexus - 7/13/2007 5:54:56 PM
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I think this is a disgrace to the College and University professor of the U.S. But the one thing this worker don't have is job security. The professor at least have their security; but I still think college professor need to be paid more.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/14/2007 10:31:52 AM
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thee's no way the average line worker at Ford makes $150k, with or without health benefits. That has to include the ridiculously overpaid executives, making millions upon millions, skewing the numbers.


chewychewy - 7/13/2007 6:16:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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The numbers are wrong. The auto workers figures include huge benefits payements that the workers don't take home. But it does make sense to stay away from UAW.

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Designer1Designer1 - 7/13/2007 6:39:32 PM
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omg, is this true?
I'm a God damn senior engineer and don't make even close to $140k. This is just disgusting!


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PorschinatorPorschinator - 7/13/2007 7:04:37 PM
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No wonder US Big 3 cannot profit :-P It truly pisses me off that our teachers are always on the short end when it comes to pay. There is a CHANGE going on. Why do you think GM and Ford are buying out current UAW workers. As well as pushing early retirement.

The UAW is responsible for the insane compensation and of course GM's pay has to be competitive to Ford and Chrysler thus they are all high. And Vise Versa...


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IS3andMEIS3andME - 7/13/2007 8:13:17 PM
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eah, as Chewy said, this includes benefits that they don't take home. If this really were the salaries, this is what a teacher should make. And if they did, I would go back to teaching in a hurry.

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SleeperZZZSleeperZZZ - 7/13/2007 8:15:38 PM
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Job security is a very subjective term. In comparison to other countries yes US auto workers have less "job security" but in comparison to the rest of the United States they have among the best.

The French 35 hour work week and job for life is defunct and is mostly an element of French vanity. Compared to the "real world" of United States employment their jobs are relatively secure hence the Ford Way Forward employee buyout.

US automobile companies have reached the point where they too are vanity industries. They exist only out of habit and not economic viability. They are terribly mismanaged and incapable of standing on their own without government subsidies, favorable legislation, and a bailout always in the wings if things were to get too tough.

Oh yeah workin for the big 3 is like having your head in a vice. Please. The airlines and the automobile manufacturers are privatized socialisim. GM is a health insurance company that just so happens to make cars. Wal-Mart's growth is starting to level off and expect within 5 years our tax dollars starting to coddle the nation's largest private employer.

The education system in this country is also an incredible farce. I'm about to bail from UC Santa Barbara to Berkeley next year. At the start of every class professors always start off by saying something to the effect of "we used to do it this way but now we're going to make it easier." But then again what do you expect when you really can't be fired for your performace as a professor.

There is no genuity or business savvy left anywhere and companies only aspire to be shrinking violets as they pretend to pull lint out out their pockets.

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GeorgemiaGeorgemia - 7/13/2007 8:24:06 PM
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The UAW wage scale is part of the problem, and so are the wages of executives, finance people, all the way down. Throw in health care, pension costs, etc, and we will soon send all our dollars to China and Japan, and Bank of America will not be holding their profits, nor the stocks traded on the NYSE.

Cheer for the loss of good wage jobs, if you like. Trickle down economics is erroding the post war American miracle away, and everyone will pay.




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drew630drew630 - 7/13/2007 8:49:35 PM
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Where did these numbers come from??? The highest number I have seen is around $76,000 including all benefits. $146,520 isn't right.

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sold2earlysold2early - 7/14/2007 8:07:21 AM
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Between salary (~70-90K) and health care (10K+), Pension, and general overhead costs to the company, I don't doubt this number.

Whatever the case, it makes me want to vomit. So much for "justification for higher education".


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/13/2007 8:51:58 PMView My AgentSpace
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Why do you guys think American automakers are bit**ing all the time?

These workers go to work slap together car. They only work a certain amount of hours per day, and enjoy their mandatory hour lunches.

Think about what kind of life you could live in Detroit on 140k?

Then again, I know heavy equipment operators in NY making $97 an hour, with great benifits and plenty of overtime. So its all relative.

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izfuneyizfuney - 7/13/2007 9:53:05 PM
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Which explains the exodus of car manufacturing jobs to China . Especially , car/truck components manufacturers that the big 3 are "encouraging" to move shop to China.
When a high school ed. job, moving stuff or screwing together cars pays better then a science Phd or an engineer, its no mystery why none of the kids want to study science.


gsh23gsh23 - 7/14/2007 4:19:13 AM
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its funny, you goto college, earn a degree or two, get out to get a respected job only to make less than the paid-by-the-hour technician or machinist. overtime and weekend pay is bullshit. not to mention having to pay back loans and it would take years before you catch up.

by the way, its like this for most industries.

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M53RM53R - 7/14/2007 8:52:23 AMView My AgentSpace
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Then why do they always complain?!

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LJ745LJ745 - 7/14/2007 1:29:46 PM
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Unions were once a good thing, but like any organization have become too powerful and will ultimately lead to the demise of the very things may have fought for, the working class. The big three auto companies are losing market share for a number of reasons, but the expense of paying American workers and providing for their health care is one of the largest. If only the workers put forth the effort that their salaries suggest they should, American cars would be in a much stronger position.

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cdokecdoke - 7/14/2007 2:56:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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Say what you will about the numbers, but don't blame them on executives skewing the numbers. If you read the article those figures are for hourly wage earners only.

As to my personal opinion about it- the figures are entirely abhorrent- little more than a disgusting non-meritocracy gone awry.

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EnnNorakEnnNorak - 7/14/2007 3:03:43 PM
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This is what happens when our values include very little respect for science and education.

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damikcodamikco - 7/19/2007 4:31:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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These numbers are not represnted correctly i work for GM No we dont get an hour lunch 2nd we do not only work a certain number of hours a shift can be as long as 12 hours for sevan days a week mainley in the summer. Yes with over time usaly 10 hour days and maybe working saturdays 58 hours total for about three or four months in the summer and 40-45 hours for the rest of the year including the cost of benifets a worker for Gm could come somwhere near those numbers.... so overtime included and benifeits and not counting the benifeits of the proffeser it would look like tha autoworkers are raking it in when we realy are not. im quite sure we work more hours than most of America since most office hours are only 9 to 5 when we can are usaly working at least 9 to 10 hours a day depending on the seasons.

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damikcodamikco - 7/19/2007 4:33:52 PMView My AgentSpace
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Also these numbers reflect a worker working for Gm for about 30 years.
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