The Kia Stinger Has Underperformed, Especially In North America — Should They KILL It Or KEEP It?

The Kia Stinger Has Underperformed, Especially In North America — Should They KILL It Or KEEP It?
Although the Kia Stinger debuted to much fanfare with its quirky exterior design and impressive performance, it has fallen short. That would be where it matters: At showrooms.

Surprisingly, this was confirmed by one of Kia's executives at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show (IAA). In the automotive sector, this is pretty uncharacteristic.

So, now what?

According to the same exec, the Stinger may not live on after its first generation. Or, Kia may take a page from other automakers' and steer the Stinger towards an electrified future. It's too early to tell at this point, however, one thing is clear: A change is required.

While the Stinger soldiers on facing a tougher hill to climb, the Telluride on the other hand, is doing good business for the marque. Perhaps that's where Kia should be focusing its efforts in light of other manufacturers moving away from sedans and sports cars?

What say you, Spies?



...One of the creators of the Kia Stinger concept, Gregory Guillaume, vice president, senior chief designer of Kia’s styling studio in Germany, told Australian media in Frankfurt: “At the moment I’m not sure it’s doing as good as we hoped.”

“We never really expected to do massive volumes,” said Mr Guillaume. “It was a halo car. We did want to be successful at least in America, the market where we thought there is a chance that it works. We had very high expectations for that market and it’s very difficult to start in such segments..."

...When asked when a decision on the next generation Stinger will be made, Mr Guillaume said: “We have to see if Stinger continues – first of all if it will be continuing, which I really hope so – and if we think this is the format to continue in the future..."

 

 


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MDarringerMDarringer - 9/22/2019 5:00:19 PM
+1 Boost
It's a victim of Hyundai/Kia's incoherent marketing and dumb product planning.

Their line-up should be:

Hyundai = "Chevrolet"
Kia = "Buick"
Genesis = "Cadillac"

Kia should have NO Genesis clones, so no K900 or Stinger.

The Stinger should have been a Genesis. It's much more compelling than either the G80 or the G70.

OR the Stinger should have been a Korean Mustang and priced like one i.e. $25K for a 2.3T, $30K for a V6, and $35K for a V8.

The Stinger is an excellent car, but Hyundai-Kia's marketing ineptitude either developed the right car for the wrong brand or the wrong car for the right brand...or both.


TruthyTruthy - 9/22/2019 5:48:23 PM
0 Boost
Keep it. It is a unique entry and needs to be given time. I agree this should have been the G70.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/22/2019 6:44:31 PM
0 Boost
I'd turn it into a Mustang competitor with 2/4 door options and a V8 and a reorientation of the price. The Stinger is a bit pricey.


TruthyTruthy - 9/24/2019 11:04:15 AM
0 Boost
Yes, it would be a great looking two door and fill a different niche and likely more inline with Kia's brand.


TauronB2GTauronB2G - 9/22/2019 7:41:37 PM
+1 Boost
Great car... just cost too much.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/22/2019 9:08:28 PM
0 Boost
The list price scared people away so there was no time to offer them a deal with the incentives behind the scene.


Section_31_JTKSection_31_JTK - 9/23/2019 1:14:58 AM
+13 Boost
The bloody thing is near $50k for the good version. Too much coin for a low image car.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 8:39:48 AM
-1 Boost
And that car can easily be had for 42-43


TomMTomM - 9/23/2019 6:35:46 AM
+12 Boost
Again - this is an example of a Manufacturer trying to move a brand UPSCALE - before its time - Hyundai has also done this with Genesis - but neither Genesis nor Kia have the prestige to pull it off.

Especially Kia - with all of its ENTRY LEVEL mass produced little cars - certainly is not looked upon as anything but a CHEAP KOREAN car by most people based on the rest of their line. Add in - that prestige of a premium car cannot be bought - it has to be built up over time -which is why Tesla is not a true premium car either.


FoncoolFoncool - 9/23/2019 7:14:57 AM
+4 Boost
You can’t do upscale with a downscale network.

“It was far easier for you, as civilized men, to behave like barbarians, than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men,” - Spock.



MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 8:13:53 AM
0 Boost
@Foncool Hyundai-Kia had a plan for a network for Genesis and car groups bought land. Some even broke ground. The HK decided not to do stand-alone dealers...then they did again. The management of the premium line is a textbook case of how not to do it.


FoncoolFoncool - 9/23/2019 9:26:23 AM
+1 Boost
Very well aware of the mistakes made with the Genesis launch, had a discussion about it with Manfred. The fact of the matter is that they made similar mistakes/assumptions that were made by FCA in regards to Maserati/Alfa in that their corporate staff and dealer network that has a mindset that there isn’t a difference in selling mass market cars and upscale cars.

They don’t understand that they are not selling cars, they are selling a lifestyle, no one needs their product. The upscale seller must create the image and aspirational desire for the customers towards their product, then treat them in accordance with those expectations.

Lexus is the model for how it should be done by a new brand, Ferrari for an established brand.






malba2367malba2367 - 9/23/2019 7:49:43 AM
+7 Boost
It is a great vehicle. Unfortunately it is lost in a a no man land in a declining segment. The car prices well higher than Accord/Camry so value shoppers will ignore it. More affluent customers will largely go with BMW/Audi/MB for the small difference in lease prices. Yes the Kia will give you the V6 for the same cost as the 4 cyl Germans, but the truth of the matter is that most people don't care too much about performance and would prefer the luxury badge. Also most upscale buyers tend to stay away from Kia dealers as they want a straight forward buying experience without the usual dealer games and financing scams that come with lower end showrooms.


bnilhomebnilhome - 9/23/2019 8:38:26 AM
+1 Boost
When I look at Hyundai vs Kia vs Genesis the brand that does not make sense is Genesis. Kia has been offering premium-like Hyundais for a while now, and the Sorento, Stinger and Telluride have a perceived upscale offering relative to Hyundai.

Meanwhile Genesis wants to be a luxury brand yet there is not a drastic difference between the G70 and the Stinger. Genesis also has completely failed to provide crossovers in a timely manner. They have been a luxury brand for nearly a decade and still have not one SUV on the market. When you factor in they are not going to have standalone dealers, I think the question should be...does Genesis need to fold and merge into Kia.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 8:50:58 AM
0 Boost
The problem institutionally is Kia. While Hyundai controls them, Kia still has enough autonomy with do some things as it pleases. The management issues within the company are pretty basic and easy to solve, but they never do.


OneOfOneOneOfOne - 9/23/2019 10:18:25 AM
+2 Boost
people dont buy sedans anymore. its not a headline its a fact. better cars arent selling so just get over it


cidflekkencidflekken - 9/23/2019 10:45:13 AM
+2 Boost
The fact is, it's in a segment that is very low-volume and it has tough competition to contend with. The A5 Sportback and 430i GC performance very well and, with incentives, aren't overly pricey compared to where the Stinger is, close enough where buyers in the segment are okay with the difference. Personally, I don't think the Stinger is priced wrong, per se, for what it is and what you get. But when taken into consideration how it stacks up against its main rivals, a price drop of about $5k across the board would help.


jtz7jtz7 - 9/23/2019 3:14:37 PM
+2 Boost
I think it is kinda of stupid for Kia to had brought in a 2nd generation K900 when the 1st generation K900 flopped. Yet considering killing ONLY the Stinger? The Stinger is outselling the K900. Get rid of the K900 1st.


jtz7jtz7 - 9/23/2019 3:19:16 PM
+3 Boost
And why does Kia feel it needs high performance sedans at 50K? 1st of all they have too many sedans. Cadenza, Stinger K900. The Stinger is the better selling sedan kill the Cadenza and price the Stinger trim level to be where Cadenza is.

I'm still dont know why on earth when the 1st generation K900 sold an adverage of 59 models of month would considered putting money into a 2nd generation K900.


cidflekkencidflekken - 9/24/2019 11:25:27 AM
+1 Boost
The biggest problem for the Cadenza and K900 is that both cars have no identity. Literally stick any Asian or a Buick badge on the cars and no one would know the difference. Combined, they sold a total of 165 units in August so I can't imagine why Kia keeps them in the stable.

At the least the Stinger is recognizable, though, somewhat too closely aligned to the Optima. People do look and stare at the Stinger and it's a very capable car. I just think folks have a hard time paying a "premium" price for it. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty good value for what you get, but buyers can't get by the perception of the brand.


trboaccordtrboaccord - 9/23/2019 4:25:37 PM
+5 Boost
Its a KIA nothing more needs to be said


jtz7jtz7 - 9/23/2019 5:53:06 PM
-2 Boost
Hmmmmmm ignoring Saturn, Oldsmobile and Pontiac, are no longer here but Kia is. Why is that? Let alone Chrysler downsized while Kia did a total opposite. Where is Crhysler's K900 rival?


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 7:08:43 PM
-4 Boost
But the quality and reliability is miles ahead of VW.


skytopskytop - 9/23/2019 6:07:58 PM
0 Boost
Drop in two 100 H.P. electric motors to assist the lawnmower engine already in the car.


CcoxxCcoxx - 9/23/2019 6:35:00 PM
+6 Boost
Kill it - rid the market of another overpriced unneeded car from this cheap brand.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 7:07:29 PM
-2 Boost
Or rebrand it as an Alfa Romeo and have a massive improvement in build quality and reliability.


mini22mini22 - 9/23/2019 9:47:41 PM
0 Boost
Tighten up the handling and you have a 4dr Mustang GT competitor. Its roughly the same size. Also push the AWD aspect and how much cargo space it has.


carsnyccarsnyc - 9/23/2019 10:08:23 PM
+1 Boost
A $26k to $42k price range would have done the trick. Now it’s too late.


MDarringerMDarringer - 9/23/2019 11:06:25 PM
+2 Boost
BINGO


countguycountguy - 9/24/2019 12:37:47 PM
+2 Boost
It was stupid to begin with. No one is going to pay that much for a Kia, they can't even sale their genesis and they expected people to buy this, lmao.


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