Porsche In Damage Control Mode - EPA Says Range Is ONLY 200 Miles NOT Claimed 280

Foreseen. How many of those Taycan owners will return their cars or will sue Porsche for lying? Will see. Same history as with the e-tron?.

Lol yikes, imagine a car being out since 2011(Model S)...and still achieving more range than 2020 EVs...impressive

No kidding. Doug DeMuro had one for 4 minutes of hooning and lost 20 miles of range. This car is nice, but it is a first attempt at a BEV and it shows. It is an evolving technology.

Note for those who read, this 201 range figure is from the EPA. Real world driving. Spirited driving would have a range that is even lower.... Spy before you buy or make a deposit on this vehicle.

After seeing the Audi Etron range why would anyone expect a different result with the Taycan.

Not defending such pitiful range. But any car, ICE or EV, is going to lose tons of range/MPG if driven "with spirit". Drive a Corvette, Camaro or Challenger with a heavy driver's foot the the MPG drops significantly.

EPA EV range has always been noticeably lower than the European WLTP numbers. But this is significantly lower, as in almost 50%. The drop is usually closer to no more than 30%. really seems like Porsche failed somewhere in overall electrical efficiency. I'm no fan of Tesla overall, but they have certainly figured out the pathway to highly efficient motors.

For some reason, I don't "trust" the EPA range results on this one.

VW/Porsche has recently & continues to deal with the Diesel-Gate debacle. It wouldn't make sense for Porsche to market such a higher EV range with any intent to deceive consumers. I would question everything the EPA scientist did with their copy of the test Taycan to come up with (only) 200 mile range. Did they accelerate faster than normal during the test circuit drive? Did they have the vehicle in "Sport" driving mode during their test drive?

I have a feeling something like a vehicle dynamics option was activated during testing & it wasn't noticed. The Taycan should have a reasonable driving range around 240-260 miles in the US EPA tests.

“Once Porsche- A REAL manufacturer get into the EV game it’s all over for Tesla as they know how to build a car”—. Said Tesla-hating kool-aid drinkers everywhere.

In fact, you have no idea what you have been talking about. case closed.

Tesla’s advantage is becoming obvious here. No one can deliver the range they can with the same battery sizes. Ford is also using A huge battery relative to vehicle size in the Mach E to get the higher ranges.

Yikes

Which part is the surprise, the Tycan range claims not matching the governments real tests or that another VW owned brand has knowingly mislead the world about its products... sounds like Diesel'gate yet again... $125,000 for 201 miles in range... the production will slow to a crawl and the blame will be on the testing not the product... the Audi e-tron went stone cold once the pitiful range was published, so to will the Taycan... stone cold.

150,900 for Turbo and 185K if you want with S

Porsche....the sacred cow of autopsies
Please note autospies.... no one walks on water...not even Porsche

LOL.

How is it possible for Porsche to have tested it enough to know 280 was the number only to have independent testing say it is only 200? How could they can messed this up?

It kind of defies all logic and reason... Or they just lied.

VWAG? LIE?? How is that possible???

Don't want to defend Porsche/Audi, but consider a couple of factors:
-- as mentioned these are their first attempts at real-world BEVs after years of blowing smoke;
-- management is painfully aware of the short range and marketing implications;
-- there are some legitimate/intentional factors for the range, system durability and longevity, drive/regen and charging performance at either end of the battery state of charge including thermals, safety, comfort, NVH, cost.

They will have to get better, they don't really have a choice, and with the e-Tron we have already seen improvements and evolution with the Sportback.

then by all means take my place on the waiting list and fork over $125,000-150,000 and wait for improvements to come... years in the making and this is how the "revolution" from Porsche begins... total failure and total dishonesty, symptomatic of VW/Porsche family and management. Piech would NEVER let this happen, never.

BatteryGate!!!! VWA Group strikes again

I wouldn't even trust EPA. They are too conservative.

Porsche actually started this process months ago because the European WLTP tests are very different from EPA. The German automaker hired AMCI Testing who achieved 288 miles on a single charge in city driving, and 275 miles in a combination of city and highway driving. Over the course of 30 years, AMCI Testing, which is monitored by the FTC, has evaluated 4,000 cars and conducted 250,000 tests. Their website states that none of its claims have been overturned.

WHY DO THE TESTS RETURN DIFFERENT RESULTS?

via Porsche
The AMCI testing process involved driving a Taycan Turbo on specific city/highway routes during weekdays, with the car set to Normal mode and speeds matching the traffic flow. The EPA testing procedure doesn’t actually take vehicles out on the road. Tests are conducted in a lab on a chassis dyno with simulated real-world conditions.

Somwhat are you telling us?
That the Porsche range „should be“ 280 miles and the Model S range should be 520 miles.
We had such values when we still uses NEDC.

EPA tests don’t hypermile. Using certain driving techniques oit on the road I’m sure I could get 500 miles range on my Model 3 (EPA rated 325 miles).

EPA ratings are a means to compare apples to apples. I consider any other testing results to be highly suspect as they are often way off EPA to the benefit of manufacturers. No way.

The fault in your logic is that Porsche knows EXACTLY how the EPA tests, thus they should have been able to accurately predict the outcome.

Whether you use WTLP or EPA numbers is not relevant. The fact remains that the VW products have significantly lower range than Tesla vehicles. That is a huge disadvantage, and shows that it is not so easy to develop EVs that are efficient. Tesla has their problems with build quality and interiors but it is hard to dispute their advantage in the technical side of batteries and motors.