Trump Rolls Back Emissions Rules. Are You Of The Belief That Climate Change Is Man Made Or Not Our Fault?

One question I don't think I've ever posed to our audience which is hotly political, is one the question of climate change.

As you know, there are a few trains of thought. These are probably the two most popular:

1. Climate change is a man made phenomenon and we need to get off the can (oil can) before it's too late or the planet will burn up and no more Hockey Night in Canada for 001 and everyone else.

2. Climate change is nothing new. It's always been happening and always will, but we humans cannot change the climate no matter how much money we spend or what we do. Party on Garth!

Seeing we're pretty much all locked down now and we have everyone's undivided attention, which camp would you say YOU ARE IN and WHY?

Be respectful...but lay it on the line WHY you believe what you do. And do you think what Trump did has dire implications or not so much?

Spies, discuss...

atc98092 - 4/2/2020 9:01:21 PM

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I choose a little of column A and a little from B. The Earth's climate has seen numerous swings in status over a very long time. But I also believe that human activity is impacting the current status, and it makes sense to reduce our impact on our surroundings to the extent possible.

MDarringer - 4/2/2020 9:06:10 PM

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It is a bit of both.

CANADIANCOMMENTS - 4/2/2020 9:02:12 PM

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Why do I believe human activities have played a powerful role in climate change?
Because the science says so.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

MDarringer - 4/2/2020 9:08:45 PM

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And you get orgasmic about your secular religion of climate change. I can hear you fapping now.

You do get that NASA's reporting is highly biased given the partisan who is given the job, right?

CANADIANCOMMENTS - 4/2/2020 9:55:07 PM

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If you follow the link there are a multitude of scientific bodies and groups that all support man made climate change is real. NASA isn't doing the reporting. Just collecting it and presenting it as a whole. But if you want to pick an argument with rocket scientists. Be my guest.

Bach24 - 4/3/2020 6:37:39 AM

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CANADIANSTUPIDCOMMENTS, you leftist's faith in the same people that can't predict the frikkin weather from one day to the next, can't find the cure to the common cold, flu, the Chinese Wuhan corona virus from the Wuhan province in China, cancer, aids, etc., etc., etc. is simply...

Astonishing!

valhallakey - 4/4/2020 12:42:08 AM

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Come on CC, seriously NASA and these other groups like National Academy of Sciences, American Meteorological Society, American Geophysical Union, American Association for the Advancement of Science have no standing among the giants of science on this board. They can see through the bias because of their deep complete ignorance of climate science. They don't need to consult experts on subjects they know nothing about. Heck I bet most of the people here tell their heart surgeons how to operate on themselves or sit in the cockpit when flying commercial to make sure they can tell the pilot how to fly these new 787s. Why consult with an expert on subjects you know little to nothing about when your ignorant self can make these determinations.

jeffgall - 4/2/2020 9:48:25 PM

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What I never understood was why climate change needed to be real or not. I think we can all agree there is an impact to fresh air, which is bad. Only thing I can chalk up climate change to is the liberal narrative found an unproveable cause to fear and gain support for their side.

TauronB2G - 4/2/2020 11:00:21 PM

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Well I do believe climate change is real. Look at the smog in California, the fact that they had to have people wearing masks at the Olympics in China because the air quality was so bad. Or maybe notice that since half the world has been quarantined the air quality has improved and animal life started to recover.
I’m sure because your master rolled back regulations that were literally out there to protect you, that you guys don’t really care. Some of us do though.

T

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/coronavirus-shutdowns-have-unintended-climate-benefits-n1161921

jeffgall - 4/3/2020 10:26:37 AM

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Nothing you noted speaks to the climate changing. It speaks to air quality changes.

MDarringer - 4/2/2020 11:52:40 PM

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It's so incredibly easy to get the derangement of the Alt-Lefties to spew forth.

runninglogan1 - 4/3/2020 12:37:49 AM

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Of course climate change is man made. Anyone who doesn't see that can continue deluding themselves at their next flat earther meet up.

MDarringer - 4/3/2020 6:42:35 PM

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I agree that "climate change" is "man made" as in total fabrication.

skytop - 4/3/2020 12:59:25 AM

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Maybe Chuck YOU Schumer will choke on some auto exhaust in a NYC tunnel.

Section_31_JTK - 4/3/2020 2:40:25 AM

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Some of the climate change is man made. Some of it is natural occurring over the eons. However the Paris Accords were based on falsified NOAA data. And it's patently unfair that China is allow to basically suffer no controls or consequences until 2030.

qwertyfla1 - 4/3/2020 7:25:05 AM

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If Al Gore and David Suzuki say it's real -then all thou shall repent!!!

It is a bit of both -simple as that. Where the REAL issue lies is China, India and Russia whom are the biggest polluters (the US too). Why should we all go broke/over regulate trying to be green when China is still making 2 cycle scooters which is the MOST commonplace form of transportation (and entertainment when you watch them weave around pedestrians). Aviation is by FAR the worst offender as it dumps shit high in the ozone where it does the most damage so spare us the bullshit jet setting celebrities, politicians and false Gods like AL Gore and Greta.

I try like hell to minimize my footprint by NOT taking unnecessary trips and if I have to go to Oakville to see my Cardiologist I will see clients in that area for the day. Tech will give us the solutions we need for this problem -NOT POLITICIANS!

atc98092 - 4/3/2020 8:53:17 AM

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Actually, aviation is a small percentage of the total emissions generated.

"Aviation is responsible for 12% of CO2 emissions from all transports sources, compared to 74% from road transport. While air transport carries around 0.5% of the volume of world trade shipments, it is over 35% by value – meaning that goods shipped by air are very high value commodities, often times perishable or time-sensitive." https://www.atag.org/facts-figures.html

qwertyfla1 - 4/3/2020 8:20:03 PM

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It may be small in the greater scheme of things but it is extremely destructive due to the altitude of discharge. Most other emissions don't get that high in elevation due to a number of factors. Yes the ozone can and does heal itself but airliner emissions are a bigger footprint per pound/distance than other mechanisms. Im not a greeny asshole (asshole maybe) and have enjoyed the benefits of private jet usage in previous careers but there is a cost for everything...

countguy - 4/3/2020 8:04:19 AM

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Well donnie dotard is trying to kill us all. First by calling covid19 a hoax and doing nothing about it until it was too late, now by showing up climate change and increasing dangerous weather.

Chark - 4/3/2020 8:50:02 AM

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While pollution and energy inefficiency are bad things, I cannot believe the constantly escalating claims of climate scientists. It seems to be the only field of science where they change the data to fit the models, and not the other way around. It also seems to be the only field where if you are skeptical, you are branded a denier. The 97% consensus is an outright lie, yet no one seems to ever question it. Here is an excellent video that shows you the complete historical temperature trends, not just the cherry-picked periods that everyone sees as causing so much concern.

https://videos.whatfinger.com/2019/09/22/my-gift-to-climate-alarmists-climate-alarmists-debunked/

Tiberius1701A - 4/3/2020 9:15:32 AM

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1970's "We Are heading into an ice age!!!" 1980's "We are creating a HUUUGE ozone hole in the atmosphere!!!" 1990's "Global warming!!! We are cooking the planet!!" 2000's "Climate change!!! well...just because!!!" Chicken Little would approve...

jeffgall - 4/3/2020 10:28:19 AM

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I agree with all except the ozone situation. The pollutants released into the air that caused this were curbed and the ozone hole healed.

carloslassiter - 4/3/2020 10:45:43 AM

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Whatever you think the reason is (or if you deny it is happening all together), I can't see how imposing draconian emissions standards here will make a bit of difference unless all other countries do the same thing.

The draconian approach will however succeed in destroying the US economy (the parts that have not already been destroyed by the COVID-19 stuff.

MDarringer - 4/3/2020 11:38:23 AM

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Oh but don't you get it? The Alt-Left morons want to be the martyrs for the world. "We will impose unilateral sanctions and destroy our economy to show you evil people how morally superior people act." My question is why do Alt-Left people want to be morally superior when they are atheist?

Foncool - 4/3/2020 4:25:54 PM

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Of course there’s Climate Change, there’s too much money to be made for there not to be. Simply follow the money.

bnilhome - 4/3/2020 10:10:11 PM

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Climate change has been happening for years. Scientists just discovered that Antarctica used to be a tropical jungle many years ago. We have seen the earth move from hot to cold and all places in between. It's not exclusively 1 or 2 but somewhere in the middle. Those claiming its all man-made are simply out to push an ideological agenda that only relies on studies that support their views.

valhallakey - 4/5/2020 11:14:40 PM

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Wrong, only relies on science NOT Fox News or political talking points.

valhallakey - 4/4/2020 12:26:05 AM

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It's a Chinese hoax that only the Republicans in the US can see through. The rest of the world, all the climate scientists getting zillions of dollars from George Soros, all to what end ... who knows... but definitely science is biased to liberals and it is biased because probably science itself is a Chinese hoax.

2ndbimmer - 4/4/2020 10:48:15 AM

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I believe that the climate has been changing long before we were here and it will always change. I more believe air quality has gone down because of destruction of forests and certain countries industrialization.
I do not believe going fully electric on cars is the answer, just like eliminating plastic straws will save the oceans or make a huge impact.

valhallakey - 4/4/2020 4:51:31 PM

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Amazes me the number of great science minds on this board that we can refer to as Advanced Skilled Scientists (ASS for short). The critical thinking skills of these ASSes just blows me away. NASA and all these other science based groups like National Academy of Sciences, American Meteorological Society, American Geophysical Union, American Association for the Advancement of Science are just a bunch of morons. They are probably all funded by George Soros and the Chinese for some unfathomable purpose. They certainly have no standing among the ASSes on this board who can see through that liberal bias of science because of their deep and complete ignorance of the scientific process and climate science in particular.

Foncool - 4/5/2020 7:27:42 AM

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EVERYTHING in life is cyclical. Some cycles are long, some cycles are short. Has arctic sea ice melted before? Yes and it will refreeze and melt again. One cyclical volcano will release more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than all the cars, airplanes and factories of the world.

The fact is so many these “agencies” are relying on their funding coming from governments that are promoting the theory as a pretext to tax on a Global scale. If your livelihood was dependent on that funding, what conclusion would you come to?

valhallakey - 4/5/2020 11:12:53 PM

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Funding is such a red herring. I seriously doubt these hard working scientists around the world are all promoting some crazy conspiracy about global warming. We would continue to fund scientists to studythe planet and our impact on it whether or not human induced Global Warming is true. Maybe they are though.. kinda like the virus hoax I suppose.

As for volcanoes, it's strange how scientific research into the geological record does not support "your theory" on volcanoes. The USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) says that all the volcanoes in the world (both on land and under the ocean)emit about 200 Million tons of CO2 annually, while humans emit over 24 Billion tons of CO2. Here is a nice introductory article on the subject --> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

MDarringer - 4/5/2020 11:55:14 PM

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Scientists go where the money is not where the truth is.

Foncool - 4/7/2020 6:55:35 AM

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When you realize the goal to reduce CO2 is to control what emits CO2 constantly 24 Hours a day, 7 Days a week. https://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/climate-change/