So, If Consumers Aren't SOLD On Electric Vehicles And EV Tech, What Happens Next?

So, If Consumers Aren't SOLD On Electric Vehicles And EV Tech, What Happens Next?
As Agent 009 pointed out in a story that posted yesterday, an all-new survey has been published via JD Power and, if we're honest, it paints a rather complex picture for electric vehicles. Simply put, it shows that the industry's latest moves and consumers are out of sync.

That's because the average buyer isn't exactly sold on EVs. Given the rather high cost of research & development being poured into EVs and getting them to market, this is hugely problematic.

Keep in mind: These high R&D costs are also being absorbed by regular vehicles, which translates into higher prices for normal autos.

As seen below, the following areas are top of mind concerns for today's consumers: Reliability, cost, range and the location of charging stations.

If automakers have been seeking to better meet buyer's expectations, here's a finding they should take to the bank. Over three-fourths (77 percent) of participants said they want 300 miles, or more, of range from their EVs.

In other words, that Audi e-tron SUV's paltry 204 mile range on a full charge is a total miss.

So, now what? Should traditional automakers start thinking along these lines to better educate the market and deliver products in line with expectations? Or, should they continue to ship garbage?



An excerpt from J.D. Power's press release follows:

Following are key findings about battery-electric vehicles:

  •  Mobility Confidence Index is 55 for battery-electric vehicles: With an overall score of 55, consumers have a neutral level of confidence about the future of battery-electric vehicles. Attributes scoring lowest include likelihood of purchasing an electric vehicle (39); reliability of electric compared to gas-powered vehicles (49); and ability to stay within budget compared to gas, diesel or hybrid vehicles (55). Most consumers, regardless of age, believe there are positive environmental effects of electric vehicles.
  •  Full speed ahead—for small market share: Both consumers and industry experts recognize it will be well over a decade before electric vehicles equal gas-powered vehicles in sales volume. Experts also predict it will be at least five years until battery-electric vehicles’ market share reaches 10%.
  •  Challenges to increasing battery-electric vehicle acceptance: Consumer affordability and trust remain among the top challenges for electric vehicle adoption. In addition, infrastructure and battery concerns (cost, range and supply capacity) are critical challenges which must be addressed.
  •  Advantages and disadvantages of battery-electric vehicles: More than half (61%) of respondents say battery-electric vehicles are better for the environment and 48% believe the cost of charging compared with the cost of gas will be advantageous. However, 64% are concerned about the availability of charging stations and 59% are concerned about range. More than three-fourths (77%) expect electric vehicles to have a driving range of 300 miles or more. Nearly three-fourths (74%) are only willing to wait 30 minutes or less to charge a vehicle to travel about 200 miles.
  • Experience affects purchase consideration: Two-thirds (68%) of consumers say they have no experience with battery-electric vehicles, meaning they have never been in one. Among those who have owned or leased a battery-electric vehicle, 75% say they would consider repurchasing a similar vehicle. Among those who have never been in a battery-electric vehicle, only 40% said they would consider purchasing or leasing one. Universally, 78% say that tax subsidies or credits would factor into their purchase decision.

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runninglogan1runninglogan1 - 7/31/2019 3:19:14 AM
-4 Boost
Aside from Tesla, no one has cracked the electric nut. Guess the products aren't very compelling.

I think Taycan, Rivian and the sexy new EQS will change that.


atc98092atc98092 - 7/31/2019 7:59:18 AM
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The Leaf has sold because at first it was the only game in town that was affordable, but that has changed. Hyundai and Kia now offer more compelling models compared to the Leaf, with over 200 mile range. With the expected models from VW and others over the next year or so the Leaf is going to fade badly unless they improve both the range and add active battery conditioning.


Car4life1Car4life1 - 7/31/2019 9:25:28 AM
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“What you talkin bout Willis”? Mercedes EQC sold out until 2021


MDarringerMDarringer - 7/31/2019 10:26:07 AM
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Of course, Mercedes only plan to make a half dozen a year...


Car4life1Car4life1 - 7/31/2019 2:04:16 PM
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Wrong ,with Mercedes unique ability to produce their own batteries for the car, they ultimately have the last say in how many they can produce and recent estimates say well over 30k per year to keep up with demand alone


TomMTomM - 7/31/2019 3:09:11 PM
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Actually -Mercedes has said it has limited production to 15,000 per year - and they are sold out - and almost sold out the second year.


Car4life1Car4life1 - 7/31/2019 7:06:18 PM
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Wrong, actually Mercedes has never confirmed an official number because it plans to expand production of the EQC to additional assembly lines after the initial success.

You are citing an industry “expert” which estimated that “15,000” figure which Mercedes never confirmed as a conference call revealed they plan to expand production to meet demand


runninglogan1runninglogan1 - 7/31/2019 9:13:03 PM
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Sorry but EQC is a dud. You're going to have to wait for the EQS if you want to crow about Mercedes' EV success.


Car4life1Car4life1 - 7/31/2019 11:22:33 PM
+2 Boost
Lmao just because YOU feel that way, doesn’t negate FACTS which is it’s sold out and shred dimensions with the best selling compact luxury SUV the GLC, so we don’t have to wait for shit, it’s already been shown LOL

The eqs is just icing on a rich cake


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/31/2019 3:24:05 AM
-2 Boost
It is only a matter of time. Most people were not sold on smartphones (in fact saying they would never own one) until the value prop became unquestionable. In the next few years it will become pretty obvious to consumers what the best option is. Who knows, perhaps EVs will be disrupted by something even better in the future.


cidflekkencidflekken - 7/31/2019 2:50:32 PM
+8 Boost
Not a valid comparison. A smartphone vs. a flip phone won't leave you stranded on a highway in the middle of a desert if you choose one over the other (don't go into range of signal or charge, etc. that's not the point)


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/31/2019 8:34:24 PM
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Actually, when smartphones first came out they have maybe 1/7th the battery power of a flip phone. People were annoyed that they had to charge smartphones every day versus 1-2 weeks for a flip phone. In the end, practicality and function won. There is no place you can't go in the US with a Tesla and your chances of getting stranded are the same as a gas car--perhaps less since you can actually charge at home or at any outlet.


TruthyTruthy - 7/31/2019 10:51:56 PM
+8 Boost
When the first smartphone was introduced it was wildly popular and profitable. Neither is true for EVs. Your comparison is invalid.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 8/2/2019 4:50:25 AM
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As someone who owned a Treo 600 as well as several other generations of early smartphones, I can promise you early generations were neither profitable nor popular.


carloslassitercarloslassiter - 7/31/2019 7:20:13 AM
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Prius showed everyone that consumers wanted new technology that was uniquely identifiable as such.

Ditto Tesla with EVs.

I don't see Audi's approach of making an EV that is for 98% of buyers indistinguishable from their ICE cars working.


atc98092atc98092 - 7/31/2019 8:04:54 AM
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In my opinion, the two main deterrents for people to embrace EV is range and charging. The range issue is being addressed, as most now have over 200 mile range and 300 is fast approaching. Even though my Niro PHEV only has about 25-30 miles of EV range, I have found that most days I never use gas at all.

The other issue, charging, will take more time. There are still a significant number of people that simply cannot charge at home. They either live in apartments or condos, or rely on street parking, neither which allow plugging in. Public charging is becoming far more common, but it costs more than if you can charge at home and still takes too long.


dumpstydumpsty - 8/1/2019 9:37:59 AM
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I'm thinking the plugin hybrid EV (PHEV) type will be the overall consumer champ.

If Tesla had a PHEV SUV using it's battery tech - the EV range could be 100-200 miles on battery power alone. Then add in range for the petrol engine - another 100-150 miles. That would be interesting. But ultimately battery charging times is a crucial key feature.

AND, if I'm on a 10-15 hour road trip, maybe sitting for 30-60min could be ok. But what if I had to wait for 3-4 drivers ahead of me to charge their vehicles on the Turnpike? Sitting around for 1-2 hrs aint fun & the family would not be happy.


FoncoolFoncool - 7/31/2019 8:47:53 AM
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The push towards EVs is a regulatory Social Engineering phenomenon as opposed to a Market based push. The regulatory part is political that can and is changing. The globalist Social Engineers will fight to the death the undoing of their agenda of mandating a technology into a market that is clearly rejecting it. The political winds have been changing away from the excessive regulations from Brussels and Washington, a finally completed Brexit, a second Trump term, and the yellow vest protest will force the EV movement to be market based not regulatory based. Look at what happened in Australia, an Election based solely on Climate Change, it was completely rejected.

Unless it is market based, it is going to bankrupt companies.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/31/2019 8:37:19 PM
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The anti EV push is also social engineering by oil companies, just like killing public transit in LA early in the 20th century. If all the externalities were pricing into gas, the market would strongly gravitate towards EVs and transit.

It's a moot point now, all roads are pointing in the same direction.


cidflekkencidflekken - 7/31/2019 2:54:05 PM
+11 Boost
Part of the reality is this: until a manufacturer can build an EV that not has the same/similar range as a gas-powered car, it takes approximately 5 minutes to completely recharge a drained battery, and there are as many charging stations as there are gas stations, then many consumers will still shy away.


wilfredwilfred - 7/31/2019 4:56:24 PM
+2 Boost
Agree. And hydrogen/fuel cell technology is here but no infrastructure...


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/31/2019 8:40:10 PM
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5min charging is not really needed. Even if you don't have a garage, everyone goes to work, a restaurant, grocery story, gym, or shopping now and then. That's when you will charge, when it's convenient for you.

In Silicon Valley, almost every office has a charging station. Every mall and major shopping center has them too.


TruthyTruthy - 7/31/2019 10:55:57 PM
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If you want to take a trip or drive your kid to college an hour to recharge, let alone find a charger, is far less convenient than a few minutes at a gas station.



SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 8/2/2019 4:58:58 AM
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You have to stop use eat and use the restroom right? You can get a near full charge in 15-30min on 250-350 KWh fast charging systems these days.

For everyday living, EVs are more convenient. For travel it is close, probably good enough. Maybe not AS convenient yet but getting there.


SuperCarEnthusiastSuperCarEnthusiast - 7/31/2019 3:00:40 PM
+9 Boost
State progressive left governments backed by some auto manufacturers will force buyers to hybrids and BEV vehicles, like it or not! Look at California and Colorado!


TomMTomM - 7/31/2019 3:15:13 PM
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Until the Infrastructure manages to come around - unless YOU own your home(or possible rent it) - have a garage - and at least 220 volts - there is simply NO convenience about having to get your EV charged. Since most drivers do not have such - most drivers will wait until charging is a quick (Minutes) concern.

In large cities - where you do not even have enough on street parking - how will you hook up your car - and still have the harness there the next day? (Note - it will have to go OVER the sidewalk - which is not legal in many cities). Same problem in high Rise Buildings - and Garden Apartment Complexes too.

And that still assumes we can produce enough energy in electricity to charge the vehicles without brownouts - and we already have brownouts now without the extra load.




FoncoolFoncool - 7/31/2019 4:34:03 PM
+8 Boost
Never underestimate the fanaticism of a Liberal with a cause. It doesn’t matter how you’re going to install charging stations for On Street parking in the ancient cities of Europe. It must be done to save the planet for the children.

The only thing that may stop them is the loss of revenue from gas taxes to use on their NEXT Cause Celebre that causes them to have a new emotional breakdown on camera.


TomMTomM - 7/31/2019 5:06:36 PM
+9 Boost
Foncool - The problem is that - as a German study showed - the mining of rare earth elements that are required to build EVS causes MORE pollution than a normal lifetime of an ICE car. SO the fact is - EV's are NOT greener - they just move the pollution to third world countries.

SO - what you say MUST be done is not correct - what we need is technology that actually does not pollute the environment FROM THE BEGINNING - which electric motors and lithium Batteries cannot say.

Yes - we need to save the Planet for our children - moving pollution to another place is not the answer to that


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 7/31/2019 8:43:02 PM
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Parking with an EV is MORE convenient than an ICE car in cities. Generally you get VIP parking next to handicap stalls and I have seen plenty of chargers on streets themselves, some of them unmetered in metered areas. Most city-located parking garages in the Bay Area have chargers.

In San Francisco, they are requiring 10% of ALL parking spaces to have chargers by 2025.


Vette71Vette71 - 8/1/2019 9:00:36 AM
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SJD Silicon Valley and the Bay Area are a bubble inside the broader USA. What you describe as far as charging, etc. isn't replicated elsewhere. Heck, go 50 miles outside of the Bay Area and it doesn't look anything like what you describe. Charging time and availability are huge issues yet to be overcome.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 8/2/2019 5:05:10 AM
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Yes, but it is likely what the rest of the country will look like in a few years. Anywhere within 100 miles of the Bay Area is well wired. Every winery out in the boonies has chargers, every hotel, every mall. There are around ten thousand charging stations now in the area, more than gas stations by far.


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