2007 Lexus IS 250 with X Package and Manual Trans. >>>Beats 335i in slalom<<<

LexusKindaGuy12 submitted on 06/15/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 10:21 PM
from: www.edmunds.com

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Lexus IS250

2007 Lexus IS 250 with X Package and Manual Trans. >>>Beats 335i in slalom<<<

The X Package improvements also translate to the track, as our slalom test confirms. Although it's down over 100 hp on the IS 350, the IS 250 is nearly 4 mph faster through the cones with a 70.4-mph result. This is blazing speed, and it puts the IS 250 ahead of the BMW 335i, not to mention about a half dozen very capable sports cars. Read Article

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SupraNeverBack - 6/16/2007 12:28:01 AM

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70.4MPH!? Slalom King, IS250.

Is there another four door sedan faster than this?

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moto - 6/16/2007 8:11:46 AM

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The IS is indeed the best slaloming sedan, based on that day, with those tires. Full credit goes to Lexus for tuning such a great handling little sedan.

The small difference in error between an IS and a BMW M3 and an Audi RS4 (slalom run of 68.9 mph, Road & Track August 2006) is so small that none of the people on this site would be able to sense the difference. The deviation between individual runs is greater than the difference between these cars. Sorry, some of us just don't care about arguing "who's best". We care about learning what makes things work, and how to improve. Lexus is learning and improving, which is excellent. I'll continue to enjoy my Audi until i need something different, at which time i will equally evaluate all options available to me. A few tenths of a second slalom time is just one of many factors one uses to choose his vehicle of choice.

SupraNeverBack - 6/16/2007 5:35:38 PM

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So it is true IS250 holds the title of the fastest slalom speed amond sedans?

SilentNightR34 - 6/16/2007 9:59:08 PM

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The Mitsubishi Evolutions runs the slalom faster... You can argue that it's in a different league and shouldn't be compared but it's still a sedan.

justbrown - 6/16/2007 12:50:11 AM

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I'm actually surprised to see a positive outcome coming from Edmunds. Unfortunately, everyone on this forum will discredit what Lexus finally did to try and push towards what you so call enthusiast call performance, although its oddly limited to "track performance" instead of the daily commute some of us take to work.

PS: I live in America, and Oh Yeah, there's no Autobahns or Nurburgring leading right to the office parking lot but I guess I'm apart of that SMALL minority.

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Agent004 - 6/16/2007 2:40:21 AMView My AgentSpace

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Something weird is going on I think, whether intended or not, but there was no mention if the IS slalom test was done at the same time as the 335 or the M3. Many factors can influence an outcome including weather, temperature, tires, driver, blah blah, I'd be curious to know what the conditions were and if the tests were done at the same time. If not, I'd be buyer-beware about the IS250 over the 350, something ain't right.

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sewingmachine - 6/16/2007 2:48:45 AM

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maybe it was snowing when they tested the bmw.

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Agent004 - 6/16/2007 3:38:58 AMView My AgentSpace

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"If slalom speeds don't mean anything from one test to another as you say, all magazines should just stop doing this "meaningless" test."

A slalom test taken December 30th is going to be different than one taken July 30th. A slalom test taken with Pirellis is going to be different than on taken with Falkens. In order to have meaningful results, there has to be control, and you can't have that without a direct comparison. I'm not saying the IS250 couldn't perform as it did, I'm just saying, if the test methods weren't done at the same time, that data is hard to justify.

If I was testing a car's 0-60 time and I tested it at @ 20F and another time at 95F, of course the tests taken at 20F are going to provide better times. Same goes for slalom tests.

Of course even if the IS250 went through the slalom at 85mph, I'd still take the M3 at 68mph because nothing drives like a BMW :)

Chip-

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henbmw - 6/19/2007 10:52:14 PM

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Well if you move your cursor to the left of your screen (while reading the Edmunds article) and click on the 335i vs is350 comparison, you will see why these aren't "excuses."

"Oh yeah, "because nothing drives like a BMW" with the magic feel.;)"

Apparently despite this test, Edmunds still puts the 335i on top.

However I must say that whether this test can be duplicated or not, it is still an impressive result.

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lexusis350 - 6/16/2007 1:35:25 AM

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That X-Package makes the IS look really nice.

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sewingmachine - 6/16/2007 1:42:22 AM

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nice

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Bill - 6/16/2007 7:03:36 AM

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Oh please. The only sporty Lexus is the IS. The rest of the lineup has zero sporty pretensions. BMW will always sell cars, Audi will always sell cars, Mercedes will always sell cars. Get over yourself.

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Czelinski - 6/16/2007 5:32:36 AM

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Maybe in America where they already sell well, and Japan. But never in Europe will the Germans have to worry too much about Lexus, just ain't gonna happen.

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answer - 6/16/2007 2:13:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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Don't forget the world is flat and humans will never walk on the moon.

JRobUSC - 6/16/2007 8:18:50 AM

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Ignoring the fact that the article repeatedly referenced the "all wheel drive IS350", a vehicle that doesn't exist, I'll give it to Lexus -- that's an excellent slalon result. However, I'll be more impressed when skidpad grip is equal to the competition. The IS250 pulled .84g, the IS350 .88g, and that 335i .91g. That's a pretty big difference.

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JRobUSC - 6/16/2007 10:52:57 AM

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well, the first two bullshit numbers came from the article. You're probably right about them being bullshit, along with the rest of the figures -- I don't know how much I trust the author seeing as how they kept comparing the manual IS250 to the "all-wheel drive IS350" that isn't a real car. But for the purposes of this post I'll use them. Since the article didn't post the BMW skipad figure I used the one from Road and Track. They, incidentally, got .84g for the IS350 AND IS250, so you should be happy I'm using the "bullshit" Edmunds figures for your Lexus.

Bill - 6/16/2007 12:01:52 PM

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I find this idiot hilarious. We should keep him just for some laughs!

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Rupert - 6/16/2007 5:29:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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I said I'd leave if he wasn't banned for his racist bile (kill all Europeans? He would be arrested in the UK for saying that)....he's still here.

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mikeydred20 - 6/16/2007 10:26:48 AM

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This article is killing Lexus and my idead they lack passion. Explain how a 6cy produces horsepower and a 4cy from a company call Acura can produce 205 horsepowerhorsepower. I didn't even know Lexus makes manual cars I thought they were going 8 speed all the way what a waist.

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BMW4me4ever - 6/16/2007 10:29:31 AMView My AgentSpace

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"What the IS 250 really needs is a little Lexus quality applied to the sound of the engine, the action of the shift linkage and the feedback from the steering, and then it might be a stronger alternative to the European sport sedans." edmunds.com

And the Lexus IS250 is better than the BMW how? In a slalom test. As Agent 004 stated, what where the circumstances for this test vs the test of the 335. .84 lateral grip in not that good compared to the competition. 0 to 60 in 7.5 seconds isnt that good either. this article kills me

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EnnNorak - 6/16/2007 10:38:22 AM

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I hate the IS 250 because Lexus does not offer it with RWD and LSD. To get LSD you have to order an IS 350 with sport package. The IS 350 is not competitively priced.

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 12:24:05 PM

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I love how everything supporting or even acknowledging the presence of the Lexus IS is deboosted and every theory or reasoning opposing the IS, regardless of how hypocritically, is boosted.

"The IS 350 is not competitively priced."

Lexus IS 350: Base (nicely equipped i might add): $36,420 according to Lexus Website

BMW 335I Sedan: $38,900. And we all know this doesn't include Leather. Dont tell me it does because we all know its BMW's famous Leatherette, whatever the hell that is. Basically, its a stripped down car and 99% of ppl are going to option this up over $40 grand

moving on...Mercedes C350, a car close to its death bed in my opinion: $39,375..and i dont have to tell you what that includes

Infinity G35: Starts off in the low $30's. My friend walked away recently around 42grand after he finished with with options. I still think its a good car, but for over $40,000, i can think of better.

My point being? Ignorance is bliss.

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 12:29:08 PM

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Don't get me wrong, aside from the Mercedes, I like all the almost of of the competition in this class. I actually left out the A4 which i find pretty nice in the right color. I was just trying to show that some people are so blind to reality and want to believe there is ONLY ONE option, only one choice. And anyone who deviates from this should be killed (or deboosted) HA. Do me a favor and get a job. Maybe then you can buy your precious ________ (fill in the blank) and tell everyone who is just as content (if not MORE) with their lives that your the best because you drive _______.

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Bill - 6/16/2007 12:50:15 PM

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What's wrong with Mercedes?

justbrown - 6/16/2007 1:02:54 PM

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I just prefer the upcoming one A LOT better. That upcoming C class looks a whole lot better IMO and a much better competitor to the playing field right now. Never was a big fan of this generation C-class. Pretty much like the last generation Lexus IS. Sorta fit in with the "Which one of those is not like the other". I love the amount of choices (all very good) that are out right now so it seems very ignorant to say this is the greatest, all else sucks. No, the Lexus doesnt suck. I can even admit the current C-class, even with the upcoming face lift, does not suck. These cars are respectable in their own right and there leaves little to no room for discussion on the pros and cons with some of these narrow-minded people who, i pray, are employed by these specific companies with the amount of advertising they give out.

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M53R - 6/16/2007 1:08:32 PMView My AgentSpace

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Someone tell edmunds that getting 70.4-mph does not count when hitting the cones. jk.

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 1:14:14 PM

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^^^haha these people keep me on this site.

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 1:21:52 PM

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Although its a hopeless fight, i guess it must be said time and time again Xero. I'm not one of the "OMG THE IS-F WILL BLOW AWAY THE COMPETITION", because honestly, i have more important things to worry about in my life. I'll leave Lexus to worry about if it beats the M3 or not. My only problem is people not accepting these cars for what they are. Even if you loathe the Lexus IS or an audi or the G35, the fact is that these cars push for the progression and precision that is found in the BMW handling, the Lexus quality, the Audi understated beauty. BMW's horsepower is quickly increasing whereas before they have been as concerned with HP although they still made the cars to be quite aggressive. I am still in love with the last generation 5 series. A representative from BMW can say all he wants that Audi isn't an issue or consideration in what they do by i can guarantee you that the RS4 will undoubtedly drive the M3 to be a better, faster more agile car with more HP.

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 1:23:00 PM

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*before they haven't been as concerned with HP

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gsh23 - 6/16/2007 2:04:45 PM

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dude you know what happened?? edmunds mixed up their numbers. 70mph was the speed the IS250 got in their 1/4 mile test! haha jk, its clear all the IS haters never drove the car. ive beaten M3s and s2ks at the track with pictures as proof in a 350 (maybe im just that much better). dont want to start anything, nothing wrong with the bmw or even dare i say the C350 (which doesnt exist, ive never seen one evar). only the a4 3.2 seems a bit down on everything.

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mikeydred20 - 6/16/2007 3:06:32 PM

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Don't worry about my english woory about a car that in a year will get swallowed by th ecompetition, considering lexus is one to wait 6-7 years for upgrades, I rember back in 2002 when the TL (S) dropped 260HP and Lexus vechicles including their so called sport sedan the GS were still in the 220 HP range. Same thing will happen next year when the new TSX and TL blow their heads and ever other company in their leagues for that matter.
(sorry some people don't wave a webster dictionary in front of them, it's called fast typing)

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justbrown - 6/16/2007 3:30:54 PM

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Hahahaha

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Rupert - 6/16/2007 5:32:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'm going to laugh when the IS gets a slower time than this...it seems bizarre that an IS250 goes faster than an MS or RS4...

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SupraNeverBack - 6/16/2007 5:51:52 PM

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I believe the guys@Edmunds were shocked as much as you. Who knows how many times they ran to average this shocking speed 70.4mph.

gsh23 - 6/16/2007 5:42:30 PM

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you dont need a lot of power to do well in any performance test. you just need to shed a lot of weight, something that the M5 and RS4 have in abundance.

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mikeydred20 - 6/16/2007 6:28:44 PM

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Bull the GS 400 actually not 430 was not doing no 300HP the RL was the first car in that class to the 300HP club, I know your lying because the GS 430 as rare as it is today doesn't even produce 300HP, although it is torquey at 325.The 300 has more HP than the 430 another brilliant idea on their ppp.

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enthusiastx11 - 6/16/2007 7:26:39 PM

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too bad it's slow off the line and has a toyota tacoma manual...

why can't lexus get all it's best performance elements in one car? IS250 great handling, IS350 fast...

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enthusiastx11 - 6/17/2007 1:16:57 PM

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yes, it's called the IS-F with an automatic. sigh. lets' wait and see how it actually handles. though this IS250 is a promising sign that lexus may be getting the handling thing.

LexusKindaGuy12 - 6/16/2007 7:51:00 PM

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you can get the x package on the IS350 you know...

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Htay7500 - 6/16/2007 9:35:24 PM

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i like the IS series but being a BMW 335i is very impressive.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/16/2007 11:29:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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You guys are desperate.

Care to read the rest of the article?

To sum it up, the IS250 X is a competent sedan, but it doesn't set any new standards for the class, and it came off as a very mixed review. As beautiful as the IS350 is, it and the IS250 shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.

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sewingmachine - 6/17/2007 1:54:16 AM

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ur kidding rite. when a lexus is faster in a speed shootout, and wins, then its the handling, soul, prestige excuse that comes rolling out.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/17/2007 12:59:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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Did I mention "handling, soul, prestige" in my post? No, not even once. Nor did I say anything relating to that, because I know as well as you do that it's a stupid excuse.

But to say the IS250 X is faster on the slalom, so it's "obviously" a better car, is just as stupid. As I said- I love the IS350, but the IS250 shouldn't be compared to any BMW.

sewingmachine - 6/17/2007 2:57:30 PM

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well if u want to knitpick about it, then if u read my post, i never said the 250 was a better car, i was just talking about the slalom test. and i never said u made those excuses, not once.

justbrown - 6/17/2007 1:07:53 AM

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No, the person who titled this article is "desperate", so to speak, and everyone, including myself, took the bait. Take a look as the exact same article a few pieces down but in turn, is titled "Edmunds reviews the Lexus IS250 with X-Package and 6-speed manual". Barely any comments. Coincidence...not a chance. I do commend autospies for a growing user base but at what cost. Drive the intellectuals out and your left with what? A boosting system allowing people to say "i mAy knot no how 2 type corectle Or spel" but i can deboost you!

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Will_ - 6/17/2007 10:09:14 AM

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German fans, just let it be: the IS250 is a good-handling sports sedan. you don't have to admit nothing more, but nothing less.

More and more evidence builds up that the Lexus IS has matched the class-leader of this segment. It should not come as any surprise. All the naysayers here are simply German fanboys who are upset as Hell that Lexus got the IS right.

In related news, a silver Lexus IS was on television the other night at the end of the series finale of "The Sopranos."

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Ironman273 - 6/17/2007 12:25:04 PM

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She could've used the LS self-parking ;-)

bmwdrvr - 6/17/2007 9:20:14 PM

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lmao, fan boys??? that sounds a little suspect.. but it would be news if the rear drive is350 beat the rear drive 335i, but of course it didnt, this car in beating the 335i also beat the lexus is350, just like the article saids it feels slow, the fact with awd it actually can handle is not news...besides the is has lost many tests to the 3 series, but than again some people cling to anything to say that toyotas deluxe brand can outdo bmw...but hey nice wheels

mikeydred20 - 6/17/2007 10:32:43 AM

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The IS-F will be a piece of crap 8 speed auto trans will never compete againts M5. That is why Acura doesn't waist their time making cars that can't compete if they know their production life will only last a couple of years. I gurantee the IS-F will not make a second generation, can't wait untill the magazines dog it againts the likes of CTS-V and M3/M5.

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mikeydred20 - 6/17/2007 10:45:01 AM

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Lexusadmirer I will give you that about the GS 430 but it is a V8 the RL is only a V6. All of these F models Lexus is coming out with will blow up in terms of flops, Toyota has money but they are hurting themselves trying to compete with the Germans. It's funny also that Acura in the past was the leader in terms of racing inspiration (Type R) now Lexus is doing it, as Acura trys to change their image towards luxury, Lexus is going the other way and their loyal fans think it's okay.

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Will_ - 6/17/2007 11:08:34 AM

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Your comments are irrational. You act as though it is somehow Lexus's fault that Acura refuses to build a V8, and continue with sportier vehicles. Lexus is true competition to the Germans because they recognize the areas that they excel in and put their own interpretation on things ("copying" if you will, but not as though Lexus is the only one that does that in the automobile industry).

Lexus realized that they needed a V8 to truly be taken seriously, they did that. Lexus realized that they needed some more sportier rear-wheel drive products, they did that. Lexus realized they needed a larger flagship with more technology and luxury, they did that.

Lexus has clearly reached the levels of luxury that they set out to attain, with so many comparisons between the new LS and much more higher marques, that they now have the time and resources to set their sights on performance. You sound just like all the other German die-hards back in the '80s who were one hundred percent sure that Lexus would never ever get a luxury car right. No manual: AMG has faired pretty well without one. Styling: the IS-F will undoubtedly stand out in a segment getting overcrowded.

I see you mentioned the CTS-V, which was also a new stance for the Cadillac brand into the peformance arena. Just goes to show, when it comes to Lexus, nothing is let past hypocritical judgement.

Stop being an Acura junkie and just face it:

Lexus > Acura, Cadillac, Volvo, Saab.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/17/2007 1:02:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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In fact, the V8 was one of their first engines, and it shows how much more ambitious they were than Acura and Infiniti. They were willing to take risks to attain status and new buyers, and it worked.

Honda has always been too shy with Acura. They "haven't reached the prestige," is their excuse for not having a real luxury sedan. Well, I think their engineers and designers know how to fix that: BUILD ONE. The prestige will come with time. Look at how the LS has driven Lexus! It's the LS400 that really started their renaissance!

Rupert - 6/17/2007 5:31:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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S4...you can't really have a REnaissance when you haven't been naissanced in the first place...
(naissance - birth, Renaissance - rebirth).

mikeydred20 - 6/17/2007 2:18:49 PM

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Like I said before I love the LS I actually think the previous body style was better the new one is too overdone.From Acura's point of view they will stick to what they are best at that is making lite v6 engines, some of the best in the buisness. Americans have already made up their minds it's like Infiniti with the Q why make a bigger car if no one is going to buy it. Also everyone dogs Acura saying it is just Honda prior to 2005 Lexus was known as Toyota throughout the world in case you guys don't know both Acura and Infiniti will be going global in 2008, as a matter a fact Acura was the first export to sell cars in China I believe in 2006.

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justbrown - 6/17/2007 2:25:35 PM

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Although i disagree with you Mike about the previous body style of the LS being better, I will say that it is hypocritical of Lexus fans to say that Acura is just an upscale Honda, especially with all the unnecessary crap Lexus gets. My brother has a manual TSX and I think it is a nice car for its price. Acura, like Lexus, is known for delivering quality products on par with its competition for a fraction of the price. Although I cant exactly pinpoint the competitors of the TSX (3 series? Accord? Mazda 3?), I can say that it is still a very good car. The TL is also a great car for what it delivers at its price. I would be very cautious in trying to knock Acura for what it is doing when Lexus fans have been faced with this very same criticism by BMW/Merc fans for a very long time.

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mikeydred20 - 6/17/2007 2:27:09 PM

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One more thing Will your comments are well taken, but it was the Acura Legend to first put a torn in the Germans side, outselling all German brands in America after it's third year, not to mention number one selling car for five straight, including over the LS. Rumor is the return of the Legend with a V8,we shall see.
Again if you look at it from a global point of view Acura has a long road to go, but here in the US they are atleast second on the Americans choice because they definetly sell more vechicles than Infiniti.

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mikeydred20 - 6/17/2007 9:05:43 PM

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See I disagree with the RL not looking prestigious everything about the RL is real sit inside of its interior and you will see luxury and the wood is real by the way. Headrest have automatic retractable button, real time traffic first out of any car and a list of other goodies including collision mitigation. Not to mention you never hear anything bad about it mechanically.
The exterior has it share of chrome and although the front does drop it looks good coming at you. I do not own one but when i'm around where there is oneI see plenty of people looking at it. It is a little on the narrow side but that is the Japanese influence if I had 55k to spend I would buy one, but only if I could really afford it and not for status.
Not to mention it was c&d luxury car of the year for 05. All-wheel drive is the car for me where I live and the RL from every log iv'e read has no problem making it through the snow. So bottom line is the car does what it suppose to do and thats drive forget everything else.

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LexSucks - 6/17/2007 6:54:09 PM

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German cars are better

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topneuro - 6/18/2007 1:27:11 PM

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There are 8,000 languages in the world.
There is no Japanese word for tow truck.
How many German words for tow truck?
Probably there is a Japanese word for tow truck since there are German cars in Japan.

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bevisroy - 6/21/2007 10:16:10 PM

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Lexus ALWAYS understates their 0 - 60 times by at least .5 seconds. Here are the results of the 5 Top Luxury Cars in this test which was reported in the January Issue of Car and Driver. Please note these tests were all done on the same day at about the same time and at the same altitude. The results reflect the average of 3 runs and all cars are the 2007 vintage.

Mercedes S550 5.6, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.1 (Benz show 5.4 in their specs)
BMW 750iL 5.7, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.2
Jag XJ Super 6.0 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.5
Lexus LS460L 6.2 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.6
Audi A8 6.8 0 - 60 quarter mile 15.2

Note that Lexus, as usual, is more than the 5.4 the manufacturer CLAIMS to get by .8 seconds.

Also note the LS430 (prior model the LS460 replaced) was rated at 295 HP and was actually 278 when Lexus corrected their rating. And there were no refunds or apologies from the so-called "quality" car company. ABC - Always Be Careful what you buy from the (REPREHENSIBLE) Toyota/Lexus people.....

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