2008 BMW M3 Canada Dealer Brochure

XeroK00L submitted on 06/18/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 9:44 PM
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2008 bmw m3 canada info dealer brochure

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chidoc - 6/18/2007 10:24:52 PM

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i was hoping that the new M3 would be a little faster off the line to 60mph. As the 335 coupe i believe is sub 5 seconds anyway. I love BMW's but i think they needed to do more to fend off the RS4s etc...

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bmwdrvr - 6/18/2007 11:24:48 PM

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seriously, if BMW saids the 335i is suppose to get
0-60 in 5.3 seconds, and its getting 4.8 seconds from not 1 but a few tests im going to go out on a limb and say this M3 will get to 60 in the low 4's, the m3 is still the one to beat in this class, it defined the class

IamEvilHomer - 6/19/2007 12:01:26 AM

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it looks like it is designed for kids. The hood scoop is funky, more WRX then german sports car.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/19/2007 12:36:54 AMView My AgentSpace

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Don't worry- just like Audi, BMW underestimates their 0-60 times. In fact, I'm pretty sure Audi also says 4.8 for the RS4, and it's gotten 4.3. So it will be a very close race indeed.

Will_ - 6/19/2007 8:04:18 AM

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This M3 shares many stats with the IS-F, but the IS-F is reportedly going to have 350lb-ft while the M3 only has 295lb-ft. The RS4 has 317. Just comparing torque alone, the IS-F simply cannot be ruled out by default yet. I'm sure this point has been brought up already...

Also, those 18" wheels don't look as good as the larger ones available on the new M3. Other than that it is indeed a good-looking car.

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 8:46:43 AMView My AgentSpace

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Why don't we all just forget the IS-F for a few seconds... Or maybe until it is revealed...

Audilover - 6/18/2007 10:55:07 PM

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AYe, no kidding.
Audi is now the one 2 beat!

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r_driver04 - 6/19/2007 4:00:18 PM

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Wishful thinking.

enthusiastx11 - 6/19/2007 12:12:27 AM

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and it will be faster than 4.8.
both bmw and mercedes are very conservative in their claims.
335i claim is 5.3 and it consistently pulls 4.8....so if M3 claim is 4.8, actual time will be in the low 4s.

the IS350 claims 5.3 and that's what most tests have gotten. lexus is about marketing and they squeeze every last claim they can out of every car.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/19/2007 12:38:29 AMView My AgentSpace

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"and it will be faster than 4.8.
both bmw and mercedes are very conservative in their claims."

And Audi... They say 4.8 for the RS4 and its average is more like 4.4. It has gotten 4.3, though.

BTW, as beautiful as the 335i is, it hasn't "consistently" gotten 4.8 seconds. That's the absolute fastest it's gotten, but I'd say 5.0 is more of its regular time, which means it can still hang with an E46 M3.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/19/2007 2:21:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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I love the IS350 (favorite Lexus), and no doubt it's fast, but you just can't compare it to BMW drivers. I take them all the time, easy. One poor misguided soul in a 330ci tried to drag me, and you should've seen his face! "Sport" mode all the way, baby... there's also the obvious batch of arrogant M3 drivers who don't actually know how to drive.

I guess the badge gives them more confidence.

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Will_ - 6/19/2007 8:14:13 AM

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A 306-hp naturally-aspirated engine with 277lb-ft consistently getting below 5-seconds is hardly "squeezing" when you have BMW getting below 5-seconds with 300-hp with two turbos added...

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TheSailor - 6/19/2007 8:48:46 AMView My AgentSpace

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WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THE IS-F?!?!?! Go discuss it with your mother or your dog, but for gods sake, lets not discuss it in a thread that has nothing to do with the IS-F! How about the upcomming C63 AMG? Or the RS5? The RS5 is even a direct competitor to the M3 (the IS-F is a sedan in case you missed it)...

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Will_ - 6/19/2007 9:45:40 AM

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All these cars are competitors Sailor, whether you like it or not. The RS4 is a sedan. Is there going to be a C63 coupe anyway? Otherwise, you're implying that the M3 practically has no competition.

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TheSailor - 6/19/2007 9:55:11 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well it doesn't... That is the whole point. And it definitely doesn't compete against a car that doesn't excist yet. That is why I am so fed up off hearing about the IS-F... It doesn't excist yet! And why is it so important for you to toot the IS-F horn constantly? You feel you have to prove something?! And isn't it a bit pathetic to try and prove this using an imaginary car? The IS-F is just a concept and some vague comments from Lexus which could mean anything! There isn't even a release date for it! Have it even been confirmed for production yet? I am very suspicious towards this IS-F since Lexus is so unwilling to tell us anything about it!

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Will_ - 6/19/2007 10:51:58 AM

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I didn't bring up the IS-F, nor do I care really, but more than one person started discussing it, so it entered the conversation, and I said my piece.

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Lexus - 6/19/2007 12:38:19 AM

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Yes I remember reading that article from R&T last year that the Lexus IS350 goes from 0-60 in 4.9s.

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7msynthetic - 6/19/2007 1:40:45 AM

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Yes the IS350 did get to 60 in 4.9s. I honestly don't see the M3 getting below 4.7s, not with only 295ft/lbs of torque (regardless of super, ultra M vanos lift with super torque sensing valve technology). If it does you will have to rev the &*%$ out of it. As far as looks - I have seen a few 335i's in Vancouver now and man do they ever look good, so the M3 will impress. My money is on the IS-F though. Sorry M3 fans, just my opinion. IS-F will not disapoint.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/19/2007 2:19:29 AMView My AgentSpace

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The RS4 "only" has 317lb. ft. of torque, weighs more than the M3 and has gotten from 0-60mph in 4.3 seconds. You're underestimating, by a lot.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/19/2007 2:22:41 AMView My AgentSpace

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"Sorry M3 fans, just my opinion. IS-F will not disapoint."

And you think the M3 will? You don't know the first thing about BMW if you think they blew this one. The old model had significantly less horsepower and torque and clocked consistent 0-60 times of 4.8 seconds.

Will_ - 6/19/2007 8:09:18 AM

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The IS 350 has 277lb-ft by the way...

JRobUSC - 6/19/2007 8:15:16 AM

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the old M3 did 4.8 seconds with I believe 263lb-ft, the IS does 4.9-5.3 with 277, etc. You're going to be eating your words shortly.

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 8:57:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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The 335i has 295 lb-ft... But what does that have to do with anything?! You guys are putting too much into this torque thing. Torque is good if you have a high gearing and want the engine to be able to do low engine speed acceleration, but the M3 isn't exactly a long distance cruiser built for cruisin the autobahn for hours on end. It has a close ratio transmission and that is what will make it accelerate. How do I know this? Well... Look at any of the Italian supercars... They all lack torque, but to call them slow would be a lie! Torque is only good for cruising, for racing you want REVS!!! And lots of them! That is what Lexus have failed to realise when they chose to build a large displacement low revving (which it must be if it only pumps out 400-430 hp) torque monster... It will be good at competing against the C63 and the CTS-V, but not the M3 and RS4...

Will_ - 6/19/2007 9:51:18 AM

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A high-torque car will be at a slight disadvantage over a close gear ratio car when it comes to initial acceleration, but its the torque that will give a car the edge in mid-range driving.

I wont be surprised if the M3 achieves the fastest 0-60 time in this segment, but I also wont be surprised if the IS-F out-accelerates it 40-60 or whatever in between...

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 10:08:27 AMView My AgentSpace

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I won't be surprised if the IS-F is a huge flop and I will be equally unsurprised if it won't be as fast around the bends as the M3 either! Torque doesn't mean anything going out of a bend, low weight and good acceleration does! And a close ratio box will give you better acceleration and more control than an engine which just spews out huge lumps of torque! Don't believe me? Why don't you ask anyone who have driven the old RS6 or the old E55 AMG supercharged? The IS-F has exactly the same problems as the RS6, it has a real automatic transmission (gotta love those torque converters), it has a V8 engine where it shouldn't have (too far forward) and all that torque will ruin the feel of the car when you exit a corner... Because what the torque will do when you exit a corner and tries to floor it is that it will try to spin the wheels... You don't want that... Believe me! Therefore the Traction Control will apply brakes and reduce power output greatly reducing performance. And if you disengage the T/C, you'll end up going sidewards into the nearest tree... "Low" torque engines are much better for performance purposes! Why do you think the Italian automakers go so far out of their way to make high revving engines? for the sound? BS... For the performance!

So sure, the IS-F will probably beat the M3 on the highway (if that auto tranny doesn't let it down anyway) in the classic I-can-kill-myself-faster-than-you drag race... But the M3 will be better and faster where it counts; around the bends! And that isn't even just speculations, that is physics!

Will_ - 6/19/2007 10:58:44 AM

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"The IS-F has exactly the same problems as the RS6, it has a real automatic transmission (gotta love those torque converters), it has a V8 engine where it shouldn't have (too far forward) and all that torque will ruin the feel of the car when you exit a corner..."

Wasn't it YOU that was just telling everyone to stop talking about the IS-F, and stop speculating about it beating the M3? I guess the standards change when it comes to speculating the IS-F being a "complete flop" huh?

And what was particularly wrong with the old RS6 and E55? These were two cars that Audi and Mercedes made no bones about being torque monsters with great mid-range power. I expect the IS-F to not necessarily be a "torque monster" but undoubtedly it is torque that will separate the IS-F from the M3. Just because the IS-F may have more torque than the M3 that doesn't automatically mean it will be a dog through the corners! You have only the RS4 to look to to see

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 5:35:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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Nahh... I'm just not very good at walking away from an argument... Especially when I know I'm right...

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 5:45:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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BTW: "And what was particularly wrong with the old RS6 and E55"... Well... Why don't you try getting in one and then go through a corner at speed or with the T/C off? I've driven an E55 AMG on a german autobahn and I made the T/C light go on at 200 kph when I floored it to overtake a coloumn of cars! Now had I, for some stupid reason, disengaged the T/C, that would have resulted in a quite spectacular crash! No matter what at what speed you floor the pedal in the E55, it will make that aweful sound a car only makes when the traction control and the ECU is trying to make the engine do two things at once, then the T/C-light turns on and if there is enough grip, it takes off... Elseway, it just does nothing (well nothing, but it feels that way).
The RS6 was the same story. And since that was a FWD chassis, it made it even worse since the AWD was split wrong and the engine was placed too far ahead... If you look at that bulging hood on the IS-F lead you to believe that the same is the case in that... My brother have a friend, working for Audi DTM, who drives an RS6 avant and he says that though the car is fantastic for autobahn cruising, it isn't any good at going around bends... It just wants to keep going forward!

JUGNU - 6/19/2007 6:45:17 AMView My AgentSpace

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That M3 in White looks so good.

JUGNU

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d1sinfo - 6/19/2007 7:57:37 AM

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I second that.

And to the paper racers, go drive cars. These cars were meant to be driven, tracked, and enjoyed. I think that true enthusiasts are disapointed when 'their' cars are comprimised for the sake of winning the 0-60 war in some car comparo. Why do we have to set such tangible goals for our auto's? The best attributes about most really great drivers cars are the attributes that can't be measured or quantified.

Speed = Greatness, to the unexperienced and the naive.

A drivers car can't be measured by numbers and tests, only by a mature driver, with an open mind.

Josh

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 9:49:21 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well... I guess the reason why 0-60 is so important is because buyers want bragging rights. And it is a little difficult to brag about how good it handles!

Scoobies and EVOs don't need to have the best possible 0-60 because they are "nerdy" cars anyway, but the M3 is both a drivers car but sadly also something a lot of people buy just to brag about the numbers... I think that is why people care so much about 0-60... But I agree with you, 0-60 doesn't mean anything! You can have just as much fun in a small affordable car as you can in an M3...

Htay7500 - 6/19/2007 10:07:27 AM

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d1sinfo-nice sti. tru scoobies and evos dont need but they are aggressive on the track top speed doesnt even matter for those cars.

d1sinfo - 6/19/2007 11:26:09 AM

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I am suggesting that true drivers, true enthusiasts are past bragging rights, egos, and have sought out a true driving experience as there pinnacle.

Therefore when the needs of the paper racers, status symbol drivers, and ego driven drivers are put above the needs of the real enthusiasts then the problems start appearing. I also believe that the enthusiasts as network heads influence in a more positive factual way the general public(network nodes). Gold chain wearing sunday cruising Corvette drivers damage the image of the Corvette, but an enthusiast with SCCA stickers, and a helmet in a passengers seat might support the identity GM is going for. So please the enthusiast who supports your image, effect network nodes through heads. I think you will find gold chain wearing corvette drivers as community nodes influenced highly by network heads not in fact network heads themselves.

Ok branding rant off.

d1sinfo - 6/19/2007 11:36:41 AM

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Htay7500

Thanks! I don't even really feel the STi is that great of a drivers car. I think drivers cars are enjoyable on the road, try enjoying the STi on the road without endangering people. It is an awesome track car though.

Htay7500 - 6/19/2007 12:49:03 PM

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"That M3 in White looks so good." same here too,

TheSailor - 6/19/2007 8:58:44 AMView My AgentSpace

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The M3 will be an awesome machine! I'll take one in white with a red interior please!

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EnnNorak - 6/19/2007 10:13:49 AM

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I asume this is not the brochure that they hand out to the public. All car manufacturers should publish their dealer brochures on the web. As a consumer, I want full disclosure. I am fed up with the marketing hype and lack of complete information in the usual car brochures.

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BMWM - 6/19/2007 10:54:51 AM

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The current BMW M5 has a manufacturer posted 0-60 time of 4.6 seconds, but R&T (I know has been under debate) has gotten 4.1 seconds multiple times so going by that -.5 second result the new M3 should get about 4.3 seconds, right in line with the RS4, but we will have to see.

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d1sinfo - 6/19/2007 11:39:51 AM

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And when we do we will know 1 thing. The gears they chose that provided a great band of power for the driver also give a good 0-60 time.

Ohh and who has a bigger penis.

weaponX - 6/20/2007 9:21:57 AM

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I never tried any kamikaze launches on my M5…since I can pretty much smoke most cars even in P400 mode (400 hp). It’s a terrible shame that the North American version didn’t have the F1 launch control, but I can imagine that to be able to achieve low 4’s you’re gonna have to set SMG to S6 (fastest shift) and turn the traction control off (gulp).

Acceleration is important but M cars are much more than straight line speed. To complete the package, they also put a lot of emphasis on lateral acceleration, unlike AMG cars.

7msynthetic - 6/19/2007 12:18:06 PM

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Wow, woke up this morning and got flamed. Welcome to the forums. Anyhow, S4cabriowhatever, where in my post did I say that the new M3 will dissapoint? I must be blind, please point me in the right direction, you idiot. For the record "the IS-F won't dissapoint, the new M3 will be awesome and the RS4 rocks" - from a CAR FAN.

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Will_ - 6/19/2007 1:11:27 PM

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S4cab over-analyzes the comments of people who don't display themselves as %100 German fans. He'll make a big deal about what you DON'T say in your comments more times than not... It never fails. If you say one thing, you must think the exact opposite about the corresponding!

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