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2008 DETROIT AUTO SHOW: BMW Announces 2008 M3 Pricing

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2008 DETROIT AUTO SHOW: BMW Announces 2008 M3 Pricing

During its press conference today at the 2008 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, BMW announced the pricing for the highly anticipated 2008 M3 Coupe and M3 Sedan. When the vehicles go on sale in March, the Coupe will be priced at $57,275 and the Sedan at $54,575. Sharing the high-revving 414-horsepower V8 and balanced chassis designed to be "faster than its engine," this March, BMW M GmbH will offer the most powerful, best performing series production M3s to the North American market.
The all-new 2008 M3 Coupe and M3 Sedan-the fourth generation of compact sport vehicles which set the standard in minimizing any compromises between race-inspired performance and luxury and convenience-feature the first V8 in a series-production BMW M3. They also feature driver-adjustable settings for crucial dynamic controls encompassing engine response, steering, damping and stability (with an available steering-wheel-mounted "MDrive" button to store the preferences) and a sumptuous interior which can be optimized to the driver's desires including the comprehensive entertainment/navigation system operated through BMW's latest iDrive controller.

Additionally, the 2008 M3 Coupe is the first production vehicle in its segment with a carbon fiber reinforced roof. The material shares the same safety properties as steel, but is four times lighter. Weighing around 11 lbs. less than a standard steel roof and approximately 44 lbs. less than a steel roof incorporating a moonroof, the carbon fiber reinforced roof provides significant weight saving at the highest point of the car-lowering the car's center of gravity-to increase agility and responsiveness while limiting dive and roll in turns.

Racing provided the reason for the original M3's 1986 creation as the company had to produce road-going homologation versions of its 3 Series Coupe to enter the motorsports version in the German Touring Car Championship. The original M3's popularity provided the impetus to continue developing the M3, making it both a better performer and more inviting road car. The M3 has continued to evolve along with the underlying 3 Series, the company's most popular, upon which it is based.

In 1987 North Americans received their first taste of the high-rpm, naturally aspirated 2.3-liter four-cylinder M3 Coupe's 192-hp and thus was born a legend on this side of the Atlantic. The next generation arrived in 1995 with a 3.0-liter (and later, 3.2-liter) 240-hp inline-six powerplant. In 1997 the first M3 Sedan joined the family and the first M3 Convertible followed shortly thereafter. The most-recent version, available from 2001-2006 as either a coupe or convertible, again was offered with six-cylinder power, this time providing 333 hp from its 3.2 liters. This vehicle was BMW's first use of SMG (Sequential Manual Gearbox) for the U.S. market.

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budfrogS4 - 1/14/2008 9:58:45 AMView My AgentSpace

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Wow...is there any way BMW is making any money on these? Hooray for the customers...

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SHOWTIME - 1/14/2008 6:56:45 PM

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I had a feeling it wasn't gonna start in the 60's...I swear I can predict better than most magazines.

wac77 - 1/14/2008 10:09:51 AM

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Wow! Aggressive pricing -- I don't think anybody expected the M3 sedan price to be lower that the IS-F price. Very good news!

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iamdabest1 - 1/14/2008 10:22:58 AM

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cheaper, faster, better looking and free maintanence , I dont see why someone would want an IS-F over the M3 unless you just want to be different.
the truth is i think even if the m3 cost 2-3k more, the m3 is still a better buy.
( though ill admit, the lex has a way better interior)

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EL34 - 1/14/2008 11:24:04 AM

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Lexus folks like the IS-F because of the F on side.

It reminds them of their report cards ;-)

raikkonen - 1/14/2008 12:02:33 PM

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EL34, you are so ghey.

enthusiastx11 - 1/14/2008 12:13:35 PM

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the M3 would be good value for $10-15K MORE. but for LESS only a fool would buy an ISF.

mechengineer - 1/17/2008 3:21:31 PM

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Actually, according to acceleration tests in car magazines, the new is NOT faster. In one, Car & Driver, the M3 is slower by a tenth of a second from 0 - 60 http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/14382/full-test-2008-lexus-is-f.html

As for pricing, I went to the BMW dealer and he made it very clear that the suggsted retail is a base price. Add what he considered to be normal options should run close to $70 (gas guzzler tax incl). All in all, it's great to see this segment get another V8 and increase the competition. Maybe it can also help BMW in racing competition as well, where they have been slaughtered by Audi, Mercedes and Ferrari since 2000.

SixxFive - 1/14/2008 10:34:20 AM

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Great pricing and warranty w/free maintanence makes the M3 even more appealing!

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lewishamiltonpimp - 1/14/2008 10:43:00 AM

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This is competetive but you will need to add $7K-$10K for a reasonably equipped vehicle. Also keep in mind that these will all sell at sticker.

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enthusiastx11 - 1/14/2008 12:14:35 PM

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you'll need to add that amount to ANY car in this class for options.

and these will likely sell for OVER sticker given the incredible demand.

BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 11:02:40 AMView My AgentSpace

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BMW is going to sell a ton of these cars. Expect it to be a long wait. Basically a decked out M3 coupe is going to price out about $67k and a fully loaded sedan should price out around $64k. Compared to other cars in the market. $10k less than the outgoing Audi RS4. $1k more than the Lexus IS-F, unless you figure maintenance then the BMW is less. $6k less than the C63 by Benz ... Good bye competition ...

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farabira1 - 1/14/2008 11:11:46 AM

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ISF is busted for sure, and so will the RS4 carrying almost 12,000 extra price tag. This is some very aggressive pricing on the M3, and i doubt that BMW is making any profit at this price point. But all the great for the cosumers.

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EL34 - 1/14/2008 11:24:28 AM

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lol

Chip - 1/14/2008 11:22:54 AM

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Oh crap, had I known the M3 sedan would be that affordable (relatively) I wouldnt of bought a $52,000 335i coupe. Im kicking myself.

Summed up, I expected these cars to base a little higher, so this is awesome news for BMW fans. God damn are these cars going to sell like crazy!!!

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EL34 - 1/14/2008 11:22:55 AM

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What a bargain for the masses :-)

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bulldogz - 1/14/2008 11:28:14 AM

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needs AWD version IMHO, otherwise useless in New England winters, and alot of $$ for a 2nd car! haha!

Although RS4 isn't viable at $12k MORE...

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amazinBimmer - 1/14/2008 11:35:52 AM

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killer punch to Audi and Lexus..

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Chip - 1/14/2008 11:48:54 AM

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with that power, prestige, handling and pricing...I would call both these cars total knockouts.

enthusiastx11 - 1/14/2008 12:12:00 PM

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WOW.

that's an UNBELIEVABLE deal!

who in their right mind would actually pay MORE for a lexus or audi?

this car bests them both.

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Whelan - 1/14/2008 12:24:40 PM

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Aren't sedans usually more expansive than coupes? i.e. more material in them, another set of doors, etc.

Coupe is 57, sedan at 54?

Either way nobody saw that one coming.

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BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 12:40:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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actually, typically with BMW and Mercedes the coupes are always going to be more than a sedan. I has do to with extra structural supports that have to be added to the coupe vs sedan. A sedan has an advantage due to the 3rd and 4th doors.

LexusKindaGuy12 - 1/14/2008 12:54:09 PM

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the coupe also gets a carbon fiber roof

JRobUSC - 1/14/2008 2:14:32 PM

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they also build and sell fewer coupes, so the higher cost is both due to "exclusivity" and the fact that you have to recoup the costs associated with designing and building a (slightly) different vehicle over far fewer cars.

S4cabriofoxone - 1/15/2008 10:50:06 PMView My AgentSpace

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Coupes PERIOD are more than sedans.

It's the style.

The CLK is essentially a C-Class coupe, but it's about $20K more. It's also more than the E-Class.

The Audi A5 is more than the A4.

The Mercedes CL is $103K, to the S's $89K.

BMW 6 is more than both the 5 and the 7.

Infiniti G37 is more than G35.

Maserati GT is more than QP.

Should I go on? LOL.

2ndbimmer - 1/14/2008 12:45:19 PM

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I didnt think this price point would be so aggressive! Cheaper than I thought and the 1 series is more than I thought!
The package list is as follows
premium package $1900
leather, BMW assist, compass in mirror, garage door buttons, power folding mirrors
Technology package $3250
navigation, comfort access, electronic dampening control, M drive
19" wheels $1200
electronic dampening control $1000
just get the tech package!
enhanced premium sound $1900
I would assume this comes with an IPOD adapter

The base price release DOES include freight.
gass guzzler I would expect to be $1300

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gsh23 - 1/14/2008 12:58:02 PM

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awesome base price. i think its worth taking note, however, that options will push the price of this car all the way to the high 60s. the last M3 was stickering for 67k exactly, which included everyone from nav, cold weather, competition, etc.

its probable that the end price may be 5-7k higher than the ISF. but since 5-7k constitutes about 10% of the total car price, i think the M3 is actually the better value car.

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BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 1:23:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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Mthree .. good luck finding one a dealer lot to test drive. At this price point, even though I work for BMW, is about $5k less than I was thinking. Think of it like this, a 2006 Competition package loaded M3 coupe had a MSRP of around $63k. This 2008 M3, faster, larger fully equipped looks like it will come in only $5k more ... amazing ..

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JUGNU - 1/14/2008 2:04:27 PMView My AgentSpace

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Competitive cars. Competitive prices. According to u haters if this thing beats lexus in value than it must have killed the MB and Audi.

and M3 better than IS-F. elaborate and Proof please.

if it was so better why BMW didn't priced it higher. I doubt something here...

JUGNU

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BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 3:19:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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someone get a handkerchief for Jungu, he is about to cry as his praised IS-F is roadkill

Heyhuub - 1/14/2008 3:26:43 PM

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Funny fact is taht the C63 AMG is cheaper then the M3 in Europe.

Whelan - 1/14/2008 2:56:18 PM

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Thanks for the input on the 4-2 door pricing. I still wanna read the comparo but you can be sure these will be extremely high demand, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bimmer dealers already have deposits on first dibs.

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DrFill2001 - 1/14/2008 2:56:48 PM

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Impressively low price, very un-BMW like, playing the value card.
Coupe buyers pay for the carbon roof as a $2700 feature, whether you want it or not.
The sedan is a looker.
Short on torque. In urban traffic, it will lose stoplight races.
DrFill

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BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 3:18:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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how so DrFill? car & driver 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds .. which is blazingly fast for a car in this price segment.

mini22 - 1/14/2008 3:03:24 PM

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I'm sure that BMW is compensating for the low US pricing by pricing the car higher in other markets. Also reasonable options will add 10 grand to the price. It's still a good deal.It's the car for someone who wants a Cayman S but needs more room.

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RealitySmack - 1/14/2008 3:21:03 PM

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Nice! Can't wait to drive both the IS-F and the M3. As I said about a month ago that these are more economical of the 4. Looks like I hit it on the dot. This is exactly why I said my top 2 choices are M3 and IS-F. RS4 and C63 are not. If you deboosted me back than, than thanks.

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RealitySmack - 1/14/2008 5:02:45 PM

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Dude,

Do you even know what exactly I said a month ago? Seems like you're a new one on the forum and probably don't even know what the original conversation was a month ago. I'm not just saying from a fuel efficient point of view but, also, for the competitive price they both have.

Oh, and if you don't care about wasting money on gas on a car that gives you 10MPG than that's your problem. I do care! A true achievement is not just achieving all out performance but, efficiently achieving that performance. Trust me, you do NOT want to get in a long debate on this, where hard engineering evidence is considered proof, not one's opinion! Because I can assure you that you will have a minimal chance of conveying anyone but yourself.

BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 5:09:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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reality .. I have to disagree. Having owned a few performance cars and motorcycles in my life, fuel economy is the least of my concerns. In fact I dont even consider it or care. Handing, driving, acceleration, passing speed, braking, overall feel & sportiness of the car is more of a concern.

RealitySmack - 1/14/2008 5:42:03 PM

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Well... we can sit here and argue back-and-forth but, so far, it's been one's own opinion! There's no other type of proof. Let's say that, theoretically, there are 2 cars having same performance/feel/driving/etc but, one car gives 10mpg while the other gives 20mpg. Which would you choose? Why would ANYONE choose a car that is less efficient?

Anyone can slap a motor and get shit loads of power but, can anyone do that while meeting other criteria? That's what some of these automakers are doing right now due to the pressure they're getting from everyone about "Efficiency". That's a way towards Achievement, Innovation, & Moving Forward.

BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 5:54:33 PMView My AgentSpace

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you are comparing apples to oranges. BMW sets the benchmark in the performance sedan category, always has and always will. They have raised the bar with the M3. The IS-f isnt the same car. although fast and powerful in its own right. It is just like you said putting a big engine in it to go fast. The M3 on the other hand is a true performance car, fast, agile, refined. If the gas mileage is different by 3 to 5 mpg, then who cares. Even if it is 10mpg, still doesnt matter. I will always get the car that has the best overall performance. M3 hands down & now looks to be the best buy for the money.

RealitySmack - 1/14/2008 6:11:25 PM

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"Let's say that, theoretically, there are 2 cars having same performance/feel/driving/etc but, one car gives 10mpg while the other gives 20mpg."

How is that apples to oranges? That's why I said, IF you had 2 cars with those outlines and the only thing different was MPG. Which would you choose? Also, previous M3 has been proven, I guess. And no one has driven the IS-F besides the mags. So, I'll hold my conclusive thoughts until I test drive both of them.

When you test drive both of them and whichever you feel comfortable with, you will immediately know which car is best for your tastes. The point is that having a car that is more efficient and delivers the performance for your taste is good. That is why I am not considering C63 or RS4. That doesn't mean I won't test drive them but, I'll be looking at ALL criteria. Whichever scores more point in my book...wins!

BMW4me4ever - 1/15/2008 1:14:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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but no 2 cars have the same performance, feel, driving dynamics ... your idea is dillusional at best .. No lexus drives the same as a BMW or vice versa .. When you are buying a performance car, price shouldnt be a major concern nor should gas mileage. The epa gas mileage is based on 55mph. What is the purpose of buying a race legal street car to drive 55mph? Better yet, when was the last time you drove 55mph on the highway? That is why gas mileage is irrelevant.

S4cabriofoxone - 1/15/2008 9:35:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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"If you deboosted me back than, than thanks."

THEN THEN THEN

Than is used for comparisons, as in "BMW is better THAN Lexus."

pacotacolol - 1/14/2008 3:41:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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My My. you could get a loaded 1 series for that

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Anthony - 1/14/2008 4:13:51 PM

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As soon as you option up both cars, I am sure they will be on a more equal footing.

This is, however, quite entertaining from a Lexus vs. BMW standpoint. BMW fanboys usually make the argument that the only reason Lexus sells is because they are cheaper. I am dying to see them explain their way out of every IS-F sold.

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/15/2008 9:36:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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Probably because some people like the IS-F better.

DrFill2001 - 1/14/2008 4:38:06 PM

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Lexus wants to sell about 450 a month.
Consider also there are few options on the IS-F. few will sell for $65k or more.
BMW has the stick. IS-F has 8-speeds.
RS-4 has AWD. C63 has the most power.
To each his own.
DrFill

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/15/2008 9:37:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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BMW also has DSG, as seen on the M3 Cabrio leak.

All of them have awesome handling, though.

APKJ - 1/14/2008 7:24:07 PM

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I'd get the M3 over the rest of the guys, but BMW is going to nickel and dime you for everything. With all the same options, the M3 will be more expensive than the IS-F. The base model of the 335 doesn't even come with leather!

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BMW4me4ever - 1/14/2008 8:17:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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apkj ... The IS-F fully equipped is going to be about $63k. It looks like the M3 Sedan, should have a MSRP of about $66k. BMW is faster, handles better, larger and brakes quicker. BMW M3 is the benchmark for performance sedans. Then top it off with free maintenance for 4 years or 50k miles. M3 is the clear winner ...

APKJ - 1/15/2008 1:13:08 PM

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BMW4ever I never said the IS-F was better or worse than the M3. Your name says it all, you're opinions will always be for BMW.

You say fully loaded IS-F will go for around $63k and MSRP for a M3 will be $66K, after fully loaded what will the number be? $70-$72k? So if the IS-F is 7k-9K less than the M3, I'm not sure how you can say that the M3 is the clear winner? M3 will have more colors to choose from?

Like I said, I would rather buy the M3 over the IS-F but BMW is going to nickel and dime you for every option.

BMW4me4ever - 1/15/2008 4:57:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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you missed what I just said. Base price for a 2008 M3 sedan is $53,800 + 775 destination + 1000 gas guzzler tax = $ 55,575 ... It appears that if you add 19" wheels, tech package, premium sound, premium package = $64,875 fully loaded .... The lexus IS-F fully loaded I believe comes to just over $62k. Why would anyone pay $2k less to get a slower, smaller, and not as crisp car? Price it out yourself. And for the name, not only have I worked for BMW for 13 years but I currently have a 2008 535i & 2006 330xi sedan ...

ThierryHenry14 - 1/14/2008 8:15:25 PM

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I think a realistic showroom price is more at or about 60K. For Sedan, 65K for coupe.

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/14/2008 9:57:15 PMView My AgentSpace

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WOW. Audi had better step it up with the B8 RS4, because BMW just might win me over.

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yrralis1 - 1/14/2008 11:07:35 PM

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The pricing is terrific --IF-- the following would be true : lol
1) with options a 67K car got a 2K off MSRP discount --dream on .
2)if the "limited production" mantra spouted in dealership sales did not raise skepicism when years later M3's are quite visible on the roads -- like with the E46 .

It's a great car but anyone care to speculate how much over MSRP some dealerships might run ? With that in mind consider this -- a low mileage used 997S will cost less than a new M3 (with markups) and throw a few mods on that Porsche and it will run circles around it . If you doubt this -- look at a stock GT3 Vs a stock M3 --It's in German but no translation is necessary and for those impatient fast forward to 1 min 36 seconds into the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0hVJgMQ2VA

Conclusion--Great car , great price , but my speculation points towards possible markups tilting the scale .

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BMW4me4ever - 1/15/2008 11:02:30 AMView My AgentSpace

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our dealership sells cars for MSRP ... We do not charge over. Even if an individual buys it and sells it for than MSRP, it is still a much better buy than a porsche which will list for 10's of thousands more and is less flexible ...

yrralis1 - 1/15/2008 1:43:23 AM

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Fast -
Perhaps they will pay MSRP but my guess is that many will have to wait because some dealerships aim for profit and will gladly sell the car for 15K over while holding a deposit.

In 2000 I bought an M5 and paid 13K over and I would have had to wait a year had a deposit been placed . The pre ordered cars did not all arrive at the launch . In fact on day one the dealership had 3 cars and only one was pre ordered while the other two were asking 20K over MSRP and they both were available. In fact it was cheap compared to what others were paying because I only kept that car three months and traded it in getting ABOVE MSRP on the trade in --imagine that . Demand was that high and with this new M3 my guess it will be the same .

Why only three months --if you may wonder --it was a great car but I was yonger and the idea of a family car with a heck of a lot of horsepower just didn't compare with a sports car .

So what if someone places an order and waits awhile --by the time he pays MSRP and gets his car other cars may have caught his attention while he waits and waits .

In my opinion paying 10K or so over sticker might even be better than the wait for some but for myself --I do not think the car is worth 10K over .Someone else might feel differently. I even have doubts about paying MSRP for any car because with the vehicles available which compete --a buyer has choices .

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BMW4me4ever - 1/15/2008 11:10:08 AMView My AgentSpace

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yralis -- that is why our dealership requires a non-refundable deposit to order a M3. This help sort out the wannabbee's and the players. We still dont charge over MSRP and have never thought that was a good idea. If a person wants to get a M3 or 1-series, they are going to have to wait. BMW is only going to ship 10,000 1-series to the US for 2008 including 128 & 135 coupes & conv. The M3 will be equally limited.

yrralis1 - 1/15/2008 4:44:45 PM

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Fair Enough Fast and BMW -

Keep in mind that my experience was back in 2000 and that dealership did express that if I placed an order I would pay MSRP . The only problem was that I would have to wait a year . That was then and perhaps now 8 years later BMW has organized its system in supplying production numbers and accurate delivery dates .

We can only wait and see if you guys are right OR if greed gets the better end of dealership sales in a high demand vehicle during a weak economy . It sure does seem like the market conditions point in my direction.

The M3 will face ENORMOUS demand . The E46 M3 owners have waited patiently , many of them holding onto their old cars . Some of them opted to buy Porsches because they weren't going to chance the markup dilema and the Porsche 997S which once sold for MSRP at its launch is now heavily discounted . Used --it will even cost less than a new M3 . My vote would still go towards the Porsche UNLESS the person needed space .

As for those who post in forums who already have deposits and production numbers ---they ALL have one thing in common --they believe whatever they were promised about price the day that they wrote the deposit check .Some may even have a contract in writing to boot BUT until that car drives off the lot and the transaction is closed --it is not finalized.

LexSucks - 1/15/2008 9:13:04 AM

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The IS-F guys are sure quiet. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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autopro - 1/15/2008 11:52:45 AMView My AgentSpace

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That POS poser will break down before you can cet to the club to get laid and the ISF will pass you like a freight train and get all the hot women.

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autopro - 1/15/2008 12:03:47 PMView My AgentSpace

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Man I love starting S*it.I'm going to get an ISF and a license plate that says IEATBMW.My driving skills and reaction times are so much better than BMW wantabe race car drivers that I'll smoke all of them.

LexSucks - 1/15/2008 4:38:45 PM

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BMW are not unreliable. If they broke down as often as you say then no one would buy them. BMW being unreliable is weak argument.
The IS-F is a pretender that costs more than the real thing. HAHAHA!!!!

Also, I’ll bet the farm that BMW drivers on average have better driving skills than Toyota, I mean Lexus drivers.

theoptimisticpessimist - 1/15/2008 5:51:05 PM

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First you have to be old enough to drive.

ravErdaveE92 - 1/16/2008 9:25:04 PM

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hahaha ive never seen a guy ridin in a lexus actually pulling hot girls, although i do know a few cute girls with IS 350's (and i live in orange county where everyones got lexuses, bimmers, audis, benzes, etc...)

at my old high school, if you had an M3, you were like a king...out of the 6 kids i knew with E46 M3's only one of them was a dork

think of it this way, the hottest girls are in high school/college, and theyre lookin for a guy ridin in a bimmer, audi, benz, or infiniti (NOT their mom or dads lexus GS/SC), so if i guy wants to make and impression and actually get laid, he gets a sick german car or an infiniti G.

So dont even think that an IS-F will blow away an M3... the M3's quicker to 60mph and will get you laid WAYY faster than any lexus, even a quick V8 one

Porschinator - 1/15/2008 4:55:44 PM

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As stated BMW pricing will impact IS-F sales. Time will tell the tale. Not sure what Lexus was thinking? Obviously assumed the BMW pricing would be higher and BMW gave notice. Interesting thought though..Is BMW lowering price to compete with Lexus?!? Dare I say!!!

WOW autopro I am scare of your scary driving skills!!! Bwahahaha....

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Porschinator - 1/15/2008 4:56:55 PM

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Yo autopro...whatcha driving now Mr. Racer??? Pics?

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autopro - 1/15/2008 7:02:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ms Porsche,my performance driving came from selling porsche's from 1985 to 1993 I owned several Porsche's starting wit a 944 then a 944 turbo.I autocrossed every weekend,a attented Derick Bell driving school as well as several Porsche driving events.When you cut me I used to bleed German!Now I bleed Japaneese they won me over with their reliability and electronics that just work and work.I know a German car feels like no other,but I just prefer Japaneese cars now.By the way I drive a 2008 IS350 and will get the ISF.

Porschinator - 1/15/2008 11:07:53 PM

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Wow good one Ms Porsche...nice ass clown you are Autopro. You live in Bay Area in Cali? Like to see your talent on the track. Check my ride in my profile.

supermoto - 1/15/2008 7:41:28 PM

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Awesome pricing. Unfortunately my Bay Area CA dealer mentioned charging a $10-20k markup!

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KZ258 - 1/15/2008 7:45:40 PM

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54gs for the M3 sedan....thats an awesome deal i must say....i might just go for the M3 sedan instead of buying a 335i with the ECU upgrades

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/15/2008 9:41:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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I just realized something.

Why are so many people so surprised by this?

The old M3 had a base price of less than $50,000, for the coupe. The new coupe is a healthy $9,000 more. Why would we have expected it to be in the $60K's? Because that's where the RS4 and C63 are?

The M3 is basically "between classes" at this point. Its price isn't quite up there with the RS4 and AMG, but it has the performance to match both. The sedan is actually closer to the Audi S4 in price. BMW felt it wouldn't be right to increase the price to the levels that Merc and Audi did, and I respect them for that.

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4TehNguyen - 1/16/2008 1:00:43 AM

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54k is an extremely stripped down M3 sedan, no leather, no 19", still charge you 500 for paint? Price is "cheap" because the car is stripped to hell on features that shouldve came with a luxury car, much less your halo model trim.

need the following to be equivalent to a $56k IS-F
M3 sedan + gas guzzler + Premium package + 19" wheels
$54k + $1300 + $2500 + $1200 = $59k

Still havent even included the dual clutch the M3 is suppose to get, going to be low-mid 60s for an M3 sedan + DCT to match the features of a base IS-F.

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/16/2008 11:40:35 AMView My AgentSpace

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"54k is an extremely stripped down M3 sedan, no leather, no 19", still charge you 500 for paint? Price is "cheap" because the car is stripped to hell on features that shouldve came with a luxury car, much less your halo model trim."

You have to remember that the E46 M3 was also completely "stripped" at $50K, but nobody cared.

4TehNguyen - 1/16/2008 1:07:43 AM

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GTR more than anything put a price ceiling on this entire segment, BMW couldve charged 60k base for a M3, but with a GTR lurking around for 71k fully loaded and with far superior performance, pretty much everyone has to rethink their car price. If I had money to blow on cars in this segment it better not be over 63 OTD or otherwise I can just chuck some more money in for a GTR and gain a ton of performance. M3 cant do that with decent options, I can walk out with a IS-F Nav/ML for 60k before tax and thats already very loaded. Dont be shocked when the DCT price comes out and just sticker shocks the heck out of everyone

Thank the GTR for keeping the price down on the M3/ISF/C63 etc

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S4cabriofoxone - 1/16/2008 11:41:54 AMView My AgentSpace

+3 Boost

Nobody will be cross-shopping an M3 (or any other car in the segment) with a GT-R. It just doesn't happen. Two completely different buyers.

autopro - 1/16/2008 12:57:24 PMView My AgentSpace

-1 Boost