2010 Audi S4 to get a supercharged V6, increases fuel-economy

Yeap. Everybody except the Lexus LS 600. Unless they make all V8's average 35mpg.....The LS 600 will reach this when Toyota releases their LS650h World's first V12 Hybrid, which both cars will have Toyota's next generation hybrid engine. I think that engine will also be on the upcoming Toyota Prius which wil make that car get at least 80mpg+.

— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 6:37:06 PM | | Votes: -4   

How can you be a man and even say that?

— njshift (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 8:16:37 AM | | Votes: 2   

I have a 2008 s4 avant with the v8 and I would not have bought it if it had a v6 twin turbo. The normally aspirated v8 engine has a feel and response that is not going to be replicated with the v6 twin turbo. Turbos are add-ons for crappy engine design and platform sharing. Audi needs to build a lighter and more weight balanced car and specifically for the s4 use more efficient engine intake design, firing timing and more aluminium throughout the chasis like on the a8. As for comparisons to the 335I, that is another problem. The s4 should be competing with the m3 so add the turbos to the new a4 3.2 and have a healthy comparison to the 335I.

— rjcamp2002 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/6/2008 11:24:19 AM | | Votes: 1   

Why the negs from dillusional Audi fanboys? You mean you don't think the turbo V6 in the last gen S4 was unreliable?

Go visit the turbo V6 S4 forum. During one round of engine bombings, the S4 guys were jumping ship faster than Pats fans after the SuperBowl.

— raikkonen (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:27:20 AM | | Votes: 3   

link please?
because i have a V6 twin turbo pushed to 300+ hp and 360+lbs/torque and have had no problem at 40k miles, my buddy has a S4 V6 with K04 and 100k+ miles and no issues...

— 1evlaudi (View Profile)

Posted on 4/28/2008 1:45:31 AM | | Votes: 1   

Looks like it will be getting a detuned version of this engine, at least in the A6

— aarononymous (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 7:41:58 PM | | Votes: 1   

The V10 in the M5 is a joke too, it can't even get get to the milage the RS6 does, this while the RS6 is 300kg heavier, has AWD, an auto-gearbox and allot more powerfull.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 3:17:07 AM | | Votes: 4   

This was not an attack on the M5 though, just aplying BMWDRVR's logic.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 3:20:15 AM | | Votes: 2   

so basically your wining?, because if a v6 engine with fairly good epa ratings or even a large 7.0 liter V8, or twin turbo 500hp 6 can get alot better performance times than the S4 why is it only getting 13mpg with only 340hp....it makes no sense, im not a crazy fan you saying something about a CAR isnt going to upset me, but my point still remains 13mpg for a car with only 340hp is rediculous an IS is faster to 60 than the S4 also with 306hp and a V6 with decent epa ratings. It would seem they cant find a way to get good epa ratings and performance which in todays market is important. This isnt the 70's and 80's where nobody cared. Gas is high everywhere you would be crazy to go for the 13mpg S4 given all its other flaws, and the fact there are several ways to get better epa ratings, better performance, and well better everything else than the S4.

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 8:38:12 AM | | Votes: -2   

Maybe you forgot the fact that the V8 S4 is a 6 year old car with an engine that was developed 10 years ago?

The 6 cilinder M3 at the time hardly produced better numbers.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:51:03 AM | | Votes: 4   

actually your wrong there, do some research even the current model M3 with its get this 414hp V8 gets better epa ratings than the 340hp S4, the old e46 M3 also got better numbers so your wrong there, now your just making excuses for the S4 because the S5 also gets poor gas mileage 14 mpg, that matches the much faster and more powerful M3 and even the 380 horsepower CLS, the 420hp XKR even those 2 getter ratings, and other cars in its class all for only 20hp more than the G37, and 0-60 times that both 335i, and G37 can run with while still not out gunning the cars that have 100+ more horses and larger engines that are supercars with better gas mileage

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 2:45:09 PM | | Votes: -1   

The S5 is much faster than the XKR and CLS550... I don't know why you're comparing them. Its quickest 0-60 time has been recorded at 4.5 sec, which isn't far off the M3 or RS4.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 1:16:13 AM | | Votes: 3   

the s4 gets poor fuel economy because of the manual gearing (the Auto gets better)

The RS4 gets the same fuel economy as the S4 (yet has 80 more horsepower) And the RS4 gets very similar fuel economy to the M3 even with AWD.

The S5 gets better fuel economy than the S4, especially with the auto. The S4 will get even better fuel economy.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 7:08:57 PM | | Votes: 2   

Is it because of the 2.0T? Otherwise I don't see why you say they have too many models.
A4 = 328i
S4 = 335i
RS4 = M3
A4 Avant = 3-series wagon
And the premium over BMW is because of the AWD. I do still agree it's too much for that system but I'd say it's on par with BMW.

— Atenza28 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 1:26:32 AM | | Votes: 4   

The U.S is the only country in the world where you can get an Audi for less than a BMW; every where else in the world Audi is priced the same or more.
These cars are actually well priced when you consider how well they are put together and how much it costs to build them.
They should be priced much higher!

— AlexTx (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 2:09:53 AM | | Votes: 3   

If you want to drive a classy Audi, you'd have to pay a little more. ;)

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 3:19:00 AM | | Votes: 3   

Here is how it should be:

2.0T or a small v6 model priced with 328i

(kill the 3.2)

The S4 priced with the 335i

The RS4 priced with the M3.

And all that assumes Audi can provide the same levels of performace at those prices, which they can't right now. Otherwise they should look to Infiniti, where the G35 very close to the 335i, but costs $5k less.

— ZBL1414 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 6:26:24 AM | | Votes: -1   

ZBL, I've been saying that for months, and with the new A4 it's more necessary than ever. The new 2.0T actually has more torque than the 3.2, and with a six-cylinder S4 and possible A4 3.0TDI on the way, there is quite literally no reason to buy a 3.2. It needs to die.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:18:28 AM | | Votes: 2   

No, this is how it is.

Audi A4 1.8TFSI 120hp / BMW 316i

BMW 318i

Audi A4 1.8TFSI 160hp / BMW 320i

Upcoming A4 2.0TFSI / BMW 325i

Audi A4 3.2 / BMW 330i

Upcoming S4 / BMW 335i

Upcoming RS4 / BMW M3

Just like it has always been, BMW just never had a competitor to the S4 till now.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:59:47 AM | | Votes: 1   

Heyhuub- I'm cool with your list. Two things though: 1) There is no reason to have a model between the 328i and the 335i (the same goes for the Audi equivalents). Does BMW does still sell a 330i in Europe? 2) Your list still ignores the pricing problem. Unless the performace factor is significantly increased with the next gen A4 family, the S4 and the RS4 should cost LESS than the current 335i and the M3, respectively.

— ZBL1414 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:16:34 AM | | Votes: 0   

The 330i is still sold in Europe yeah.
And the S4 has always been that price since it came out in 2002, just under the E46 M3's pricepoint. It's just that BMW decided to severely underprice the 335i.

The RS4 at that isn't even sold anymore and was sold for that price long before the current M3, so it would be silly to adjust the price just because BMW again decided to underprice the M3 compared to the RS4.

Audi i believe also has a policy to not put the american price under the price in euros in Europe. For example the RS4 was 66K dollars in the US and 65K euros in Europe. Where BMW looses quite a bit on each car sold Audi tries to to keep losses at a minimum.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 11:38:26 AM | | Votes: 4   

the 330i/Audi A4 3.2 makes sense in Europe because they get bit better fuel (which matters with gas at almost twice the price than in US) economy than the 335i and the new S4

the "middle" versions also make sense pricewise in Europe

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 7:11:59 PM | | Votes: 1   

exactly Heyhuub

BMW is giving US buyers a giant discount with the new M3

not a bad thing, but I don't think Audi will price the next RS4 that cheaply

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 7:18:22 PM | | Votes: 1   

chewy, in Europe they just buy the A4 3.0TDI instead. I'd like to see the numbers for 3.0TDI vs. 3.2--I'm sure it's about five to one, if not an even larger gap. I don't think the engine really makes sense ANYWHERE.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/27/2008 2:23:23 PM | | Votes: 1   

No, the Audi S class never competed against the M class. BMW just never had a competitor against the Audi S till the 335i.
The only reason people seem to think that BMW M competes with Audi S is because the B6 S4 surprisingly had about the same power as the M3 that was launched a year earlyer.

This is how it always was.

1994:
Audi S2 - 230hp
BMW M3 - 286HP
Audi RS2 - 315hp

Audi S6 - 280hp
BMW M5 - 340hp

1999:
Audi S4 - 265hp
BMW M3 - 320hp
Audi RS4 - 380hp

2002:
Audi S6 - 340hp
BMW M5 - 400hp
Audi RS6 - 450hp

2005:
Audi S4 - 344hp
BMW M3 - 343HP
Audi RS4 - 420hp

2008:

Audi S6 - 435hp
BMW M5 - 507hp
Audi RS6 - 580hp

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:08:38 AM | | Votes: 4