2010 Mercedes-Benz S400 Hybrid Will Achieve 26 MPG

I'm not sure what to say other than "that's disappointing".

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 10:45:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Ahhhh, Ummmm. LMAO No Comment. Interesting news, nonetheless. I'll stick with the LS...Thanks anyway.

— Mason3Robert (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 10:45:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Not excellent but not horrible either! At least it has not compromised trunk space for the hybrid version and there are noticeable gains over the non-hybrid version!

— kpaxx (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 10:56:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

What, exactly, is the source here because it seems very unreliable? Everything else I have seen is putting the S400 at an average of 30 mpg. This link is to some second rate blog that, as far as I can tell, does not have any citations for where it came up with this info. I will reserve judgment until a reliable source can be quoted.

— LJ745 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 11:05:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

This link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StdN3GSIC8 talks about 7.2L/100km, which is about 32.6 mpg.

Motortrend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hybrid/112_0905_2010_mercedes_benz_s_400_hybrid_drive/fuel_efficiency_features.html

Reports 23/33 (27 comb) mpg


Finally: http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid.html
On the European test cycle, it achieves 30 miles per gallon (7.9 liters/100 km)—not bad for a full-size sedan weighing well over 2 tons. Claimed CO2 emissions are 190 g/km.

— LJ745 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 11:15:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It really depends on drive cycle. I would choose an S400 over and S550. I'm not really looking for balls out performance in such a big vehicle and, if I was, I'd look at the new 750i or an S63.

— GreenPlease (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 11:32:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

This title is so stupid. It claims the S400 "WILL" achieve 26 mpg. I hate it when it "sources" tell me the fuel economy a car "will achieve". It's pointless. Even a hybrid is at the mercy of the person behind the wheel and their driving style.

I don't care what this source says. The person behind the wheel makes all the difference. My parents have a 2002 Mercedes E320 and it was rated at 11.3 L / 100 km. On average we are getting 8.2 L / 100 km and we don't even drive it like saints. When my mother drives it though, we get as low as 7.7 L / 100 km (once she even got 7.0 L / 100 km!!!!).

— Wimmer (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 12:20:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

So just to be clear, this 280 horsepower benz only gets a combined 21, while the 438 horsepower AWD LS600HL gets also 21 combined. hmm. quite disapointing for the benz

— LexusKindaGuy12 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 12:43:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Wait. It's a V6 hybrid, but it only gets 19/26, and with lithium batteries??? They do need to license the hybrid technology from the Toyota Camry Hybrid.

— investor27 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 3:01:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Wow, the same combined MPG (21) as the Lexus LS600hL. So this is what LiIon batteries are giving us. Isn't this about 2 seconds slower 0-60 as well? And the Lexus is AWD. Good job Mercedes.

— thetruth01 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 5:29:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The EPA's new estimates are generally accurate, most car reviews get the same mileage.

The S400 hybrid is predicted to use up 16.3 barrels of oil a year, same as a 2009 LS600hL.

I'd have to say the S400's numbers are disappointing.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 10:05:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The 2009 GS450h gets 22/25/23mpg and uses less oil than the S400 and blows it away in performance.
Germany only has itself to blame for blindly sticking with more diesel engines because they wer emore profitable. This shows how far behind they are in hybrid technology.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/29/2009 10:07:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Ghosthunter - All of those numbers are estimates and have nothing to do with driving style. In addition, those magazines/car reviewers will drive the car harder than the standard consumer and harder than the EPA criteria for estimation, so if they get a higher number then it is obvious that the EPA estimate is way off. I did not say that the car got better numbers than the EPA estimate, I said the source seemed inaccurate as every other estimate (not reality - read closely before acting like a jerk) placed the average around 30 mpg.

Please also note that this is an "Estimated" New EPA fuel economy and not a "Tested" EPA rating such as on the LS 600 hL. In other words, they are simply estimating these numbers and have not performed that standard tests. Thus, you cannot compare the numbers yet, wait for the lab testing to take place.

Finally, to all of you who knock these numbers, they do have a sue and are important. I agree that the real world numbers will differ based on driver, road conditions, etc. However, the standardized laboratory testing gives us the ability to compare cars in a controlled in environment to one another. This is the use of these tests and it is very important. Once the testing is complete, then all of you can pass judgment. However, passing judgment and saying the car is a "disappointment" is premature given that you are comparing apples to oranges.

— LJ745 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 8:45:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

small thought, but don't the Hybrid Escalade/Yukon's get 21mpg combined? ;) Pretty sure they have more power too lol

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 2:30:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

There was so much outrage about the LS600hL being a "disappointing" hybrid, and yet this less-powerful S400 doesn't appear to be significantly better. The one thing this news reinforces is that...

...miles per gallon will vary based on a number of factors.

Drive both the LS hybrid and the S Hybrid like sports cars, they'll both get less-than-impressive mpgs. Most typical S and LS owners, however, drive like old people.

— Anthony (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 4:53:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

JRrob,
Numbers don't lie.

www.lexus.co.uk and www.bmw.co.uk
RXh is 50% cleaner than the X5 30d diesel (148g vs 217g CO2), the RXh combined is 44mpg while the X5 30 diesel is 34mpg.
The LS600hL is 219g/km. LSh loses by about 5-8mpg (depending on who you believe) but destroys the X5 in speed and comfort and class.

Germans love diesels because they're more profitable, its that simple. They couldn't care less whether its cleaner or not. Europeans are just plain stupid for buying into the German marketing machine.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 8:45:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

at 19 26 for the s class hybrid, I wonder what an s300, or s350 it would get that is a big improvement over the V8 but it is a much smaller engine, with alot less performance. Why not just sell, a V6 model here other than the image? The epa ratings im sure wouldnt be that much worse than the hybrid

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 9:25:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Ive lost interest in anything merc does.

— bfghemicuda (View Profile)

Posted on 7/30/2009 11:47:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

bmwdrvr,
Mercedes should've stuck with a diesel 4banger hybrid like they originally talked about (unless talking the talk is easier than actually walking the walk). The 4bangers torque would actually be useful in this application.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/31/2009 10:32:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1