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A Convertible Showdown of Olympic Proportion - Infiniti Challenges BMW for Top Down Supremacy

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A Convertible Showdown of Olympic Proportion - Infiniti Challenges BMW for Top Down Supremacy

I spent the evening at a neighbors house as they had an end to summer BBQ to celebrate (or lament) the fact that come Monday school starts again and the kids will no longer roam the neighborhoods all day while Mom and Dad are away at work. As I sat there amongst the parents (my son is only 2, so he won’t be starting school Monday) making meaningless small talk while drinking cheap wine supplied by the host, my mind started to wonder and thoughts of driving around the back roads with the top down and stereo up began to fill the void left by the mindless dribble going on around me.

My imagination of something more fun than the current activities was brought to a halt when the host offered to refill the glass I was holding, however the prospect of cruising around driving a fun, fast convertible is one that deserves to be revisited. The allure of top down driving on challenging roads and highways certainly is something we as enthusiasts can all embrace, and with gas prices dropping almost daily the concept of a pleasure cruise is starting to reenter our vernacular as something other than a taboo thought.

Not one to be left out of the market, news of the upcoming Infiniti G37 convertible made many a car lover happy. Based on the same platform as the wildly successful Nissan 350Z, the G37 has always been the better daily driver with the availability of seating for four along with a nicer and more luxurious cockpit. Increasing the lineup to include a convertible seems to be logical thereby pitting it against the highly successful BMW 3-Series convertibles.

The metal folding roof – a necessity now a days – insures that those not blessed to live in the sunbelt can still have the enjoyment of a convertible but also the four season convenience of a coupe. Diving further into the Infiniti spec sheet reveals a powerful six-cylinder engine, room for 4, and manual and automatic transmission options. It seems as though Infiniti took a page out of the BMW playbook in crafting this car, and honestly who can blame them with BMW’s success year after year in the convertible market.

We all know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but does the Infiniti have what it takes to truly beat the market leading 3-Series convertible? Sure, you could argue that Audi has a fine competitor as well with the A4, except that whole model range has grown old and is due to be replaced this fall with a completely new model. Mercedes-Benz has the CLK350, but since no manual transmission is offered and it still sports a soft top instead of metal, it really doesn’t compete as closely as the 3-Series and G37 seem to compete.

Which brings up the question, which convertible would you choose for that long drive on a hot summer night? Does the prospect of the new G37 convertible excite you, or would the BMW 328i or 335i be the convertible of choice for you.

Summer is almost over, get out and enjoy some topless nights.

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WorldofLuxury - 8/9/2008 12:04:41 AM

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Bangle explained that he wanted the car to have absolute visibility of the surrounding by not stretching the windshield and raising the height of the trunk. And he designed it well. There aren't any rearward blind spots that convertibles are known for.

Appearance-wise...I'd like to see a pic of the top up for the Infiniti to compare.

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t_bone - 8/9/2008 9:48:19 AM

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Bangle actually said that? I never thought I'd see the day where he made a design point I agreed with.

Yes, the side view on the Infiniti looks like a tall bathtub. If you threw your arm over the side of the window you'd reach so high that you'd look like a little kid in daddy's car. BMW all the way.

WorldofLuxury - 8/9/2008 1:10:07 PM

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lol yeah...Bangle had a little overview in the BMW design center. The video is on YouTube, but I can't find it anymore :(

kthor - 8/9/2008 6:12:15 PM

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With that high butt this Infiniti should get some looks from VW Eos shoppers. Watch out VeeDub!!

pchera01 - 8/9/2008 12:19:52 AM

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give me Infiniti, but Infiniti dealership in Oklahoma City, BOBMOORE... SUCKS, bunch of Wal-Mart customers are working there. they are assholes...

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91z4me - 8/9/2008 12:22:53 AM

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Wow quite a supremacy complex you have there huh?

pchera01 - 8/9/2008 1:10:11 AM

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i wanted say, wal-Mart employees, well I went to buy FX in 2003, didn't work out, then 2005 try to buy QX 56, didn't work out, 2007 went buy G35, didn't work out, but few days later called at the same dealership but sales man from porache, (they have Infiniti, Porsche and Audi) worked out with me. I have 08 G35 now. In 2003, insted of FX i went and got X5, in 2005 insted of QX56 I got Armada. Now i wanted to replace my G35, with FX or something else. Today I wanted to test drive the FX, they old me to go to Porsche call ur sales person... WTF.

its not my "supermacy complex" its some shitty peoples attitude. they may not like aliens...
I hope u got me Mr.91Z4ME

mpwr - 8/9/2008 8:47:44 AM

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BMW dealerships can have the same problem. My first BMW dealership was amazing, just a incredible bunch of guys. Others I have been to have been mediocre at best and rude/ignorant at there worst. Any dealership can be bad no matter what the company.

91z4me - 8/9/2008 3:16:53 PM

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pchera01, I think I got you. You mean a clerk, someone who knows nothing about the product but just checks you out.

That comes off much differently than saying "wal-mart customers" which sounds very elitist.

I do think that it is interesting that I got de-boosted for pointing out something which sounded really smug and elitist. I guess the those who de-boosted me consider themselves better than others.

DogLb - 8/9/2008 5:08:38 PM

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Pchera...you're typing out senseless dribble. In addition to not a single clear sentence in your "story", what kept "not working out"?

If you are refering to them not cutting you a deal, most upscale dealerships don't on newer cars.

If you are referring to sales guys being uninformed, non-customer-minded idiots, then OK. I fully understand a bad staff can ruin a buying experience. The bad apples ruin it for the good ones.

Just read your comment before posting so others can understand.

_43LE - 8/9/2008 12:53:12 AM

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Yikes, tough call. They have different strengths.

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hao420 - 8/9/2008 1:11:12 AM

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Infiniti sounds right 4 me

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EL34 - 8/9/2008 1:42:53 AM

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The Nissan looks like trendy garbage.

Give me the BMW :-)

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MercedesBenz00Z - 8/9/2008 4:11:23 PM

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And Infiniti is for the people who can't even afford an M3.

Agent63 - 8/9/2008 11:44:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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Staar,

BMW is not an econobox company. Quit being jealous that others can buy one and you can't. For your information, Benz and Audi's are sold to cab companies as well so you should really shut your trap before you make yourself look worse than you already do.

PerformanceGuy - 8/9/2008 2:09:43 AM

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I would have to go with the Infiniti. Absolutely amazing!!

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MunichRob - 8/9/2008 2:48:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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Not a very flattering pic of the 3-series, but I've seen both cars coupe counterparts on the road & I easily find the 3er to be more attractive than the slab-sided G37.

Not that the G37 is ugly but I do prefer the out-going G35 coupe which I preferred to the last gen 330i coupe's styling.

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Agent00J - 8/9/2008 8:33:42 AMView My AgentSpace

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I was trying to get a picture of the 3-Series with the same perspective as the G37. Luckily we all know what the 3-Series looks like however.

-00J

528i - 8/9/2008 5:54:16 AMView My AgentSpace

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I agree....NOT!!

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FactsRule - 8/9/2008 7:17:18 AM

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Staar, you have a bad case of BMW Envy.. It is so obvious from every post you place on this site.

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PrancingHorse - 8/9/2008 6:58:30 AM

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Infinti s are for people who cant afford BMWs.

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BJS470 - 8/9/2008 11:01:09 AM

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Not everyone wants a bmw

snatchandgrab - 8/9/2008 2:24:23 PM

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thats the dumbest sh&t i've ever read. Infiniti's are for people who like Infiniti's. I own a Infiniti and a BMW and all of u clowns that think Bimmers are better don't know jack sh&t. My Bmw is 5 years newer than my Infiniti and is just as good. They fufill different needs.

kthor - 8/9/2008 6:15:56 PM

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Brilliant writing. Very impressive. The profanity really seals your point! I am convinced.

sailnfl - 8/9/2008 7:05:59 AM

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two ugly cars

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FactsRule - 8/9/2008 7:11:48 AM

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The BMW wins this one hands down..

The Infiniti looks like too much like a Lexus SC for my taste, which looks ugly as hell.

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kthor - 8/10/2008 12:07:06 AM

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That's it! I knew it looked familiar, good call.

bmwman1963 - 8/9/2008 7:20:31 AMView My AgentSpace

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Infiniti G37 looks like typicas Japanese styling: Totally without a Soul and uninspired.

BMW wins this round again.

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bmwman1963 - 8/9/2008 7:20:59 AMView My AgentSpace

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typo typical

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Designer1 - 8/9/2008 7:25:28 AM

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Well the G37 convertible won't make it this summer; but definitely it would be the G37.

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HSCenterconsole - 8/9/2008 8:44:44 AM

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The G37 in that pic looks great, but I would have to go with the 3-Series on this one. It is still the one to beat.

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mpwr - 8/9/2008 9:07:38 AM

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my mind started to wonder and thoughts of driving around the back roads with the top down and stereo up began to fill the void left by the mindless dribble going on around me.

sounds like you need better friends

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mpwr - 8/9/2008 9:14:03 AM

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335 for me, but I'm sure the infinity will be an excellent convertible

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350zdon17 - 8/9/2008 9:42:52 AM

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The G37 is a big hit for us and when the AWD and convertible hit our showrooms, there really is no need to get the BMW...maybe the G37 doesn't hug the road as good as the BMW but how many people are really racing with this car to need that extra tightness in the drive...for the price point, what you get and quality of Infinit's cars you really can't beat it...and i have taken a highway ramp doing 75 in the G37 S and i feel in total control

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bmwdrvr - 8/9/2008 11:11:09 AM

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well the quality of infiniti cars would be an issue as they arent as refined, nor offer the interior quality as most of its competition........probably because they are to focused on performance and not on creating a performance luxury car.....which would entail an interior thats nicer than Nissan's lineup.......if driving a compromised sports car is top on your list than there is no need to buy anything else....otherwise the 335i or S5 make much better cases for themselves as better choices in the Performance/LUXURY coupe class than the G37......while being both faster, better looking, and having a premium cars interior and refinement

JRobUSC - 8/9/2008 5:22:34 PM

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"The G37 is a big hit for us and when the AWD and convertible hit our showrooms, there really is no need to get the BMW"

I am 100% sure that Infiniti will sell more G's with AWD and convertible variants. HOWEVER, let me clue you in on something since you said their arrival means there's "no need to get the BMW" -- no one "needs" a G37 coupe or convertible, either. You don't "need" a car that only seats two people (yes, the G37 coupe technically has four seats, but let's call a spade a spade -- even a 1-Series has more rear seat space than the G coupe). You don't "need" a convertible with even less space and virtually no trunk (which will be the case with the hardtop G convertible, as it had a small trunk for the class to begin with). You "want" them. You "desire" them. So while I am certain the new models will increase sales for Infiniti, I'm also 100% certain that BMW will still be the gold standard for the class, and will sell more. You can think all you want that the only reason people buy the 3-Series over the G is that BMW offers a convertible and for two years has had an AWD coupe, but I promise you, it is not. More people will still "desire" the 3-Series more than the G, just as they did before the new G models, and that's more than enough reason to get the BMW over the G. In fact, with cars like these it's the only reason that actually matters.

tattedtwice - 8/9/2008 11:01:25 AM

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Well considering that with the top down on the g, I'd have to hear more of that horrible sounding exhaust note, and that I absolutely cant stand the way it looks, and that it's already a porker and slow for its supposed hp rating, I'd have to go with an E93.

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bmwdrvr - 8/9/2008 11:06:24 AM

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I think the 335i is the better convertible, it has a useable backseat, the 335i is faster than the G37, has a better quality interior, handles better, and it doesnt sound like someone put one of those fast and furious irritating exhaust kits on it like on the custom civics

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Teknik - 8/9/2008 1:02:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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That Germ Kraut-car looks so goofy. People who buy BMW's are too poor to buy an Audi or Mercedes-Benz. That is why they have to settle for a BMW. The proportions of the BMW are totally off and wrong. The rear looks too big and has too much overhang. The interior is cheap and full of hard plastics. The panels have huge gaps in them and they are shoddy quality. BMW is just about the badge, everything else about the car is pure garbage.

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bmwman1963 - 8/9/2008 3:34:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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Staar aka Teknik: how many freakin' profiles do you have on here? Is this site your whole life? Why can't you just deboost and comment once on something?

Must be low self esteem and no money for the best German ride: BMW

JRobUSC - 8/9/2008 3:35:33 PM

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you left out "tincan econobox taxi" there Staar. I mean auto001. Er, I mean Teknik.

Sorry, all the idiots on here are starting to look the same to me.

bmwfan1513 - 8/9/2008 1:07:47 PM

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They are both amazing cars, but I would take the BMW.

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no1listensanyway - 8/9/2008 1:14:16 PMView My AgentSpace

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The Bimmer is no doubt the better one, I just have a feeling that the Infiniti will be a better VALUE.

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350zdon17 - 8/9/2008 1:22:36 PM

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The interior of the G37 might not be as luxurious as a MBenz or Lexus but it is fine for a sports car and competes with the 335i...fitment is perfect all around smooth soft material and a major upgrade from the 07 coupe...The BMW interior is very boring and has looked the same for years...again I am not knocking the BMW because they are well built cars and hands down one of the best handling cars on the road...but if you can't see the Infiniti being a great competitor for the BMW then you must be a badge WH***

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bmwdrvr - 8/9/2008 3:23:20 PM

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MY POINT EXACTLY!!!....its interior is fine for a SPORTS CAR....yet it has "aspirations" of being included in the LUXURY PERFORMANCE class.......when all it is...is just that a 4 seat 350z sports car....the 335i is the benchmark in this class because it has an unequaled combination of performance and luxury. With interior quality that is up there with the best in class, and all while being refined, and luxurious. The last generation G had a horrible cheap low quality interior, the new one is an improvement but still not even with the class average........maybe next go round they will learn it takes more than performance numbers and sports car looks and sounds(numbers which are behind the 335i anyway) to topple the luxury performance class benchmark

AgentOrange - 8/9/2008 3:41:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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Or you could geta 135i Cabrio and kick both their butts for $10K less...

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volnedan - 8/9/2008 4:50:51 PM

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All this Infiniti bashing is quite ridiculous. Why can't two mid-lux sports coupe exist? I love both cars, yet own a G37. I test drove both, and didn't feel that the faster accerleration and better handling was worth the extra $9k.

Note that the 3 series never had more than 235hp (save M3) until the G35 coupe came along and gave BMW a little kick in the butt. It good competition for the market.

BMW has been in the business of making the 3-series much longer than Infiniti, and its hard to compete with experience. But don't knock them for trying to make a name for themselves. It just makes BMW fan boys look even more arrogant and stereotypical. Now play nice.

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0to60 - 8/9/2008 5:23:08 PM

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To me, the G coupe is a very masculine car. The 3 coupe is sexy. I think the same apply with the convertible. The G will be a mans convertible and the 3 a sexy all around car for all sexs. Women look awkward driving the G37 in my opinion.

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JRobUSC - 8/9/2008 5:46:04 PM

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I don't know, Raven Riley looks pretty good driving her G35 Coupe around.

JRobUSC - 8/10/2008 1:22:46 PM

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You know better than to talk to me Staar. You are beneath me. When I want to hear from you I'll initiate the conversation.

sector - 8/9/2008 6:04:52 PM

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People who would choose the BMW is delusional and illusional. You could stand 5 feet away from a BMW interior and notice the cheapness and cost cutting that has taken place. BMW knows that, because of it's ok driving dynamics, they have free reign to offer the cheapest and contemptible interiors and not be penalized by the unsuspecting buyer who is already brainwashed by their famous mantra. Just look at the monopiece 80's interior aka Mitsubishi interior, you can fit in a 8-track player in there and it'll blend in nicely. Look at the flimsy looking bucket seats, as compared to the the heavily bolstered one you find in an Infinity. This blandness continues to the outside as the BMW just looks like the last gen Accord coupe... it looks like a over-sized jelly bean on wheels.

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kthor - 8/9/2008 6:21:44 PM

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We get it. We get it. You don't have a clue. Now please go hang out in one of the Infiniti enthusiast forums. Oh that's right...there aren't any. I am thinking of marques with enthusiastic owners like BMW, Porsche, and Ferrari. Cars that make people feel something special when driven, which you may find out someday after you get a drivers license.

bmwman1963 - 8/9/2008 7:15:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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Time to stop using douche bottles for drinking water auto001 aka staar aka Teknik.............

Lexus - 8/9/2008 8:52:44 PM

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I don't about being cheaper than the 335ci, I don't think the pricing has been officially announce yet. But between the two, I would buy the Infiniti over the BMW convertible.

Because A)Just to make a point not buying a BMW

B)The BMW 3-Series Convertible are getting to common where I live in OC.

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kthor - 8/10/2008 12:09:15 AM

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That is crazy-stupid. You picked a car to buy without even seeing it in real life (much less driving it). New levels of dumbness achieved, Bravo!!!

jayr1 - 8/9/2008 9:35:06 PM

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If anyone is going to pay more than $30K-35K for a car, then you are paying for more than just basic transportation; you are paying for prestige associated with a marque. Much in the same way you can buy a polo shirt from Target for $20 but if you want that Polo pony or Lacoste logo on the shirt you are going to have to pay the $30 to $50 premium.

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kthor - 8/10/2008 12:13:16 AM

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You haven't ever driven nice cars have you? It is about way, waaaay more than "prestige". It's about a finding a car that actually gives you joy. It's tough to imagine. You will need to experience it.

rian420shah - 8/10/2008 1:39:07 AM

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The image of the G37 in this article has been horizontally shorted, thus making the car appear taller.

This issue has been brought up before in "BMW Puts Lexus and Mercedes on Notice - But Did BMW Go Far Enough With Their New 7-Series?" also by Agent00J

If Auto Spies is to remain a respected form for open automotive discussion such deviant practices should be inexcusable.

http://www.autospies.com/news/BMW-Puts-Lexus-and-Mercedes-on-Notice-But-Did-BMW-Go-Far-Enough-With-Their-New-7-Series-31967/

Thank you to "cdoke" for noticing this issue in the previous article.

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jayr1 - 8/10/2008 11:43:04 AM

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kthor - I currently own a `07 Porsche 911, an `08 MINI Cooper S, and in the past have owned, a Porsche Cayman, 2 BMW 5 series, a Z4, Mercedez SLK, and a 2 Jaguar XJ6's.
So I guess you are right, I have never driven nice cars and I don't know what I am talking about. Apparently you don't know anything about me, life or manners for that matter for which if you did you would not engage in making baseless comments about people who are just expressing their opinion and whom you know nothing of.

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Star - 8/10/2008 2:07:09 PM

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Infiniti is garbage. End of story.

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bmwman1963 - 8/11/2008 5:19:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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Staar comment on what you actually drive or have driven which is probably your Mom's bicycle.

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AmazonPrinceIS350 - 8/11/2008 10:48:43 AM

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G37=Rihanna or G37=Ryan Seacrest

335=Kristen Dunce or 335=Zack Morris (Save By the Bell).......everyone is pretty but not the same. One has just a little more flavor than the other & the other is just a little more reserved in their flavornous, nothing wrong with that.

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bmwman1963 - 8/11/2008 5:18:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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To Douche Bag "Staar",
I don't have but one profile on this site unlike you..

I do agree with JRob on all his points, especially when it concerns you.

My name says it all: Lover of premium, luxury, ultimate, reliable, driving machines.

So go play with your Barbie and Ken dolls and leave the real automotive talk to the professionals.

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