Acura to make ‘huge-shift’ to tier 1 luxury, will offer Acura-only vehicles

Isn't it funny that AutoSpies.com was the ONLY automotive site in print or on the web that panned the RL from day one saying it would flop?

Tells you how the others opinions are all paid off by advertising or how little expertise and insight the supposed experts truly have...

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 1:40:52 PM | | Votes: -6   

Read the comments as well...from 2004

http://www.autospies.com/news/The-most-disappointing-cars-we-saw-this-year-2426/

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 1:43:00 PM | | Votes: -3   

and as i read this, and see the plethora of lexus ads on this site, i must ask.... how's that LS460 001?

— DallasMR2 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 1:46:35 PM | | Votes: 7   

Check out the BS and incompetence in these reviews...

The RL made a Car and Driver 10 best! LOLOL!!!!

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/2005_10best_cars_10best_cars/2005_acura_rl_10best_cars

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0409_2005_acura_rl

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0411_2005_acura_rl

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/performance_files_tested_by_c_d/acura_rl_road_test

Even the supposed expert David E. Davis blew this one rotten....

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0410_acura_rl/index.html

And my favorite

Check out THIS quote from Shaun Bailey of Road & Track!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=6&article_id=1495

People who refer to their car as the "Ultimate Driving Machine" may need to reconsider what that means.

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 1:52:14 PM | | Votes: -11   

Dallas MR2,

All manufacturers advertise with us including Lexus.

But we NEVER give anyone a pass if the car sucks.

The LS460L is a fine auto and we are now testing the LS600h.

As well as BMW's, Mercedes, etc., etc., etc.

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 1:54:54 PM | | Votes: -3   

001,

Please stop bringing up other reviews. If autospies is confident in their belief, that should be enough.

This new trend of "I know more than they do" posts is sophomoric and silly.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 2:10:07 PM | | Votes: 13   

We don't normally do that but in this case the truth needs to be told becuase it is SO wrong and it exposes the methodology of the major auto publications which is if they advertise, they get positive reviews.

Which in our opinion is SOOOOOOOO wrong!

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 2:17:32 PM | | Votes: -6   

Makes my blood boil!!!!!!

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— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 2:17:59 PM | | Votes: 0   

"Modernize them with powerful engines, technology and amenities found in all competitors"

They already have. Except for a V8. Which i think is OK if the company doesn’t want to do it. As Honda is very committed to Fuel economical cars/engines. But i am sure they'll work out and bring the alternative of V8 soon. Which will be both fast and Economical.

"price both cars the same as Infiniti and Lexus."

U mean they should increase the price as an Acura already costs less than it's respective rival from Lexus, Infiniti, BMW...etc or at max the same.

and btw in the above pic, Black RL doesn't look bad. In fact looks very good, curvy and unique to me.

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— JUGNU (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 2:39:33 PM | | Votes: 6   

I've always considered this pathetic site a good time-waster, but there's not enough boredom in the world to justify clicking on Acura threads anymore. This Acura bashing is beyond old and past retarded, it's just plain sad. And this agent goofball pulling up other reviews and scoffing at their opinions of the RL is probably the saddest thing I've seen here. At least those reviews are found in RESPECTED publications, not on some juvenile website that's all factpinion.

— tattedtwice (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 4:15:45 PM | | Votes: 7   

"We don't normally do that but in this case the truth needs to be told becuase it is SO wrong and it exposes the methodology of the major auto publications which is if they advertise, they get positive reviews."

lol. yeah you do. you've been called on it since you began posting. puffery, cockiness & arrogance that i've only seen on this automotive site, mostly by you; you love patting yourself on the back even when it isnt warranted.

yet how much of the material presented by you is original? hardly any except for your own big opinion of your professed expertise and automotive speculation ability.

those that have the apparent skill or knowledge hardly need to talk about it. it speaks for itself.

— minimalist (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 8:39:23 PM | | Votes: 7   

Show me the beef.

— SpicyMikey (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 3:09:02 PM | | Votes: 5   

So true. Right now, Acura is having a pipe dream....

— BimmerFan (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 3:24:31 PM | | Votes: 2   

Honda will have a tough time beating the value proposition of Hyundai's new Genesis sedan.

— EnnNorak (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 4:44:54 PM | | Votes: -1   

Bingo, 43. I'm a pretty big Honda/Acura fan, but I won't be holding my breath for a "huge shift" anytime soon. Not a good time right now for an Acura fan and I believe this is just more hot air coming from a dealer...shocker, huh?

— cktoo (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 10:44:32 PM | | Votes: 1   

Audi was around before Volkswagan came about.

— Doukas (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 3:58:54 PM | | Votes: 4   

Please rethink your comments... Audi is not VW's creation. Lexus and infiniti are Toyota and Nissan's creation, but Audi is owned by VW, not a mear division.

But yes, Honda has not been able to differentiate Honda and Acura too well.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 4:40:19 PM | | Votes: 3   

Audi was NEVER create by VW unlike marketing gimmicks such as Lexus and Infiniti. Audi is close over 100 year old with a strong heritage and tradition in automobile building and racing. Audi is its own separate company called Audi AG under the umbrella of the VAG business conglomerate that also is linked to Porsche. It is very different from anything VW including trading on its own shares, its own shareholders, and board of directors. Audi reports its financials separately from the VW brand and is listed as a separate company in the German registers. This type of facts are pretty basic. It is NOT a division either. It represents its own company. So using the term division is not correct either. Audi has its own R&D, marketing, PR, culture, racing, business pland, development, manufacturing plants, etc. So, not a Division either!

— VISO (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 5:47:49 PM | | Votes: 2   

Yes, I do believe that in order to make a luxury division successful, you must really differentiate the materials/quality of build that the high-end and low end cars have.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/18/2008 5:10:46 PM | | Votes: 2   

TLDude, I agree with you 100% and yes the agents do appear to have a serious bias against Acura, but to me that just shows that they are aware of the fact that Acura is a success with the general consumer which is shown by leading sales numbers despite the recent decline, but also they know what Acura is capable of. If there was as many acurazine members on this site to match the number of fanboys from some of the other makes, the things said about Acura would be more positive than what we see on here now.

— Blakura (View Profile)

Posted on 2/19/2008 8:53:22 AM | | Votes: 1   

I could care less about sales numbers and I’m not the average customer. Acura’s are nothing more than glorified basic transportation IMO. Just because the “average joes” are buying them in numbers doesn’t mean anything to the car enthusiast. The average car buyer has been proven to put handling and performance way down their priority list. Why the heck would I want to purchase a car based on the average joe’s criteria? Those types of vehicles are blandsville.

And why are folks here knocking Autospies for pointing out the fact that they predicted that the RL would be a failure? It seems to me that Autospies were much more accurate in their assessment of the RL than the “RESPECTED publications”.

There is nothing wrong with liking Acura. They make great vehicles for the average car buyers. But the folks who value handling and performance tends to not like the dynamics of FWD vehicles. Acura is what is it is. They are not a car company that builds cars for the enthusiasts; they build cars for the average joe.

If Acura is attempting to enter in the area that I think that they are attempting to enter in. They need to cater to more than just the Average Car Buyer.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 2/19/2008 1:38:39 PM | | Votes: 0   

ridiculous. the prediction by agent is equivalent to a person saying the lakers had sucked at the time it had shaq and kobe and had been winning successive championships during its following years only to say i told you so several years later after they begin to start losing.

different than saying that the team or in this case, automaker, will likely be unsuccessful in five years.

wow.

— minimalist (View Profile)

Posted on 2/19/2008 9:00:54 PM | | Votes: 2   

Poor analogy. The Lakers still had Kobe and Shaq (when they were winning) and didn't show any signs of losing Shaq at the time. They were strong and at the height of their powers. On the other hand, Acura wasn’t winning any automotive championships when they released the current RL, and did not have 2 cars in their lineup that were the automotive equivalent to Shaq and Kobe. The RL was no Shaq, the TL is no Kobe, and Acura (at the time) were not the automotive equivalent to the Lakers.

Enough with the basket ball analogies. Acura’s lineup (at the time) was beginning to show weakness. They had no halo car (the nsx). They didn’t, and still do not produce a vehicle with a V8, yet they were expecting to compete with Lexus, MB, BMW and Infiniti, all of whom offer V8s in their lineups. Honda...Um, Acura released their flagship vehicle (the current RL) that was based on the Honda Accord platform (complete with V6) and priced it at BMW/MB levels. The Accord platform is good but it isn’t that good. Anyone with a brain was predicting that the car would fail. And if you didn’t, you were either a blind-fanboy that refused to acknowledge the fact that their favorite brand is no longer creating cars that are buzz-worthy, or someone who really doesn’t know anything about cars.

Only a fool would have thought that the RL was going to be a success (and boy were they plenty). The smart ones knew better (which were very few). Even now, there are folks here that refuse to acknowledge the fact that the RL was a failure. Instead they choose to knock Agent-whatever and call him an Acura Basher. What that tells me is that some folks here are taking their brand preference way too personally. It’s all a testament to what Acura used to be. Acura dropped the Legend and started building Hondas with an “A” on the grill. It’s at that time when I jumped off the Acura Bandwagon.

Some people seem to have a stronger emotional attachment. They remind me of the mother of an ugly child. In her eyes the child is beautiful, while the rest of the world thinks otherwise.

Let it go guys. Acura isn’t what it used to be. And even back then they were only just approaching greatness. They quickly screwed that up. Too many Karaoke Bars I guess.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 2/20/2008 1:36:15 AM | | Votes: 0