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Agent00J Looks to Buy a New Car - And What an Experience It Has Been!
A story this past week caught the attention of many readers out there as Agent009 asked a question about brand loyalty when it comes to car buying.  The timing of the article is ironic in that my wife declared her desire for a new car the same day Agent009 posted his story.  Since that point we have spent a lot of time driving from dealer to dealer driving different cars and SUV's on a quest to find "that perfect vehicle" that fills all of the requirements my wife is looking for.  (A side note here is appropriate, as I am not sure she knows what she is looking for - but I digress!)

When it comes to cars, I know that I know more than most people.  I can quote specs and performance numbers, engine sizes and the pros and cons of most cars - as can probably a good number of our loyal readers here.  I think it would be fair to say that walking into any dealership I probably know at least as much as, but often times more than the salesperson that latches on the moment you pull into the dealers’ lot.

Last night we spent some time looking, and it allowed an interesting comparison to car sales, and I think help explains why some brands have really high loyalty while others don't.  We started the afternoon looking at the Mercedes-Benz ML350.  I have a couple of friends at the dealership so walking in we where treated to a cordial response from people who know me.  The general manager asked one of the sales guys to assist and show us the car.  For the next 45 minutes or so the sales rep went over every detail of the car and answered every question asked without hesitation.  I was impressed in that I already knew the answer to most of the questions my wife was asking the sales rep, but it was refreshing to see a salesperson truly know the product they were selling.

We drove the ML350 and I have to admit that although skeptical on the front end, I was really impressed with the handling and performance.  There are a lot of back roads that we drive, and the MB handled extremely well with very little body roll, the brakes were strong and fade free and the acceleration was strong, although not fast.

After finishing up at the Mercedes dealer, we also spent some time driving the X5 3.0si, and again I was impressed with how well the sales person knew the vehicle he was selling.  (The sales person from BMW is a friend of mine, and I have bought several BMW's from him so I really wasn't concerned about his knowledge of the X5)

However...

After the visit to BMW, we went and ate some dinner with friends and the conversation turned to cars.  My wife asked me what other SUV's could we look at, and I mentioned to her that when talking to Agent001 earlier in the week, he had mentioned some big incentives on the Volvo XC90.  Previously I had not mentioned the XC90 because I have never been a big fan of this SUV.  She insisted we go take a look, so at the conclusion of dinner we made our way to the Volvo dealership.  Things started to go downhill fast.

As we pulled into the Volvo dealership and park the car, a salesperson quickly put out the cigarette he was smoking to rush to the front of our car to "greet" us.  Or so I thought.  He rushed to the car, BUT DIDN'T SAY A WORD - NOTHING.

Ok, I thought to myself, we proceeded to enter the showroom seeing as an XC90 was sitting on the showroom floor.

And the sales guy followed, however at this point he still hadn’t said anything, not even a simple Hello.  We were literally being stalked, walking into the showroom from a salesman who wasn't saying anything.

My wife proceeded to climb into the XC90, and start tinkering with the buttons like one does when shopping for cars.  Although I really wasn't interested in the XC90, I decided to have a little fun, so I feigned interest and starting asking questions of the sales guy who at this point STILL HADN'T EVEN SAID HELLO to us, but he was standing there not more than 3 feet away "stalking" us.

The XC90 on the showroom floor was pretty much stripped, so I inquired if there was a bigger engine available (I know there is) and how much does it cost and could we get navigation and how much would that cost.

And then he spoke!

Well, sort of.

He moved closer to the XC90 on the showroom floor, put on some reading glasses, and proceeded to read the window sticker to me in terms of engine size and output.  He told me the XC90 had a 3.2 Liter V6 - information he was able to obtain by reading me the window sticker.

I bit my tongue deciding to inquire a little further as to this salespersons knowledge of the car he is trying to sell.

I asked, "Um, is there a bigger engine available?"

He again leaned in to the window sticker to have another look, again repeating the 3.2 Liter V6 line he read me once, took a step back and settled into a posture suggesting he was satisfied with his response.

I took another stab asking, "I thought the XC90 had a V8?"

He looked like a deer caught in the headlights for a moment, excused himself for a moment and went to an office that was out of my line of sight.

Returning a minute later, he told me that yeah, there is a V8 available, but they didn't have any so we were welcome to drive the V6 on the showroom floor.

(For those of you not up on your Volvo knowledge, the V6 the salesperson spoke of is actually an inline-6.)

At this point the salesman should have picked up on the fact I wasn't interested in his "V6" XC90 he had, but I think he really was completely oblivious to this fact.  I decided to take one more shot, so I asked, "How much would an XC90 with the V8, navigation and all the other options cost?"

He retreated again to the "mystery office" and returned a minute or so later.  He told me that a loaded XC90 would run somewhere in the neighborhood of $68-$70K.  Making a last ditch effort he again offered the test drive of the V6.

I politely declined the offer, and my wife and I left the dealership.  As we were pulling out, the fact that there were in fact V8 XC90's sitting on the lot was not missed.

I commented to my wife on the drive home the most basic of sales rules available to the car salesman, when you can't answer the question the customer is asking, simply reading the window sticker should suffice.

When we got home I priced out a loaded XC90 on the Volvo website, and arrived at a price of $60k, almost $10k less then our sales person told us it would cost.  His lack of knowledge of the XC90 really didn’t cost him a sale in our case as I have previously stated I didn’t want the Volvo, but how many sales has it, or will it cost him if others experience what we experienced?

To make a long story a little shorter, I think the X5 will probably be the SUV we go with, the advantage of the third row is something that from time to time would be nice to have, and in terms of handling the BMW is the closest to the ride of a car in an SUV body.

So what is to be learned from the Volvo experience?  There are good sales people in every line of work.  There are people who take the time to educate themselves on the products they are selling so they can be prepared to answer any question that may arise.  Every so often you run into a salesperson that is passionate about what they sell.  Those people are easy to identify, just find the plaque hanging in the waiting room that lists the sales person of the month.  Usually the same couple of names occupy those plaques year after year.

I know I am not alone in bad experiences, and with the discussion we had this week about brand loyalty, I am confident a correlation between loyalty and salesperson knowledge / dealership experience can be made.

For the time being it is back out to see if we can't make a deal today on a new X5.  For the rest of you, share some of your auto buying experiences - good and bad.



Agent00J Looks to Buy a New Car - And What an Experience It Has Been!



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350zdon17350zdon17 - 8/16/2008 9:40:04 AM
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No matter what product you are selling cars, tvs, appliances etc...you have to know your product lineup from models to specs, if you don't you are going to fail...Also being in sales myself, I know it sure helps to know a little bit about the competition as well so you can have honest comparisons between the two or three brands they might be comparing...the more information you know the better you will be and the more comfortable the consumer will be talking to you...especially in these times where anyone can do their own research about products right at home on the internet...
as far as bad expierences I am sure everyones had a few but the worst is when the salesperson doesn't know what the hell they are selling

I went to a electronics store looking for a new HD tv (I pretty much knew what tv I wanted to buy before I walked in by doing my own research online) I asked a salesman which he thought was the best and he kept telling me SONY SONY SONY everytime I asked why is that? he would say its HD 1080p, Sony invented Blu-ray, and its bulletproof... There is a ton of ish I could say on how silly this guy sounded ...and of course I didn't by there went across the street and got the TV...


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LecsucksLecsucks - 8/16/2008 6:24:04 PM
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Sounds like the guy at Volvo was as lame as your articles.


CRS2112CRS2112 - 8/16/2008 9:44:40 AM
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Since you are considering an X5:

If you happen to be the Head of State of a controversial nation, have a lot of enemies, or you are just plain paranoid, BMW's latest X5 variation may appeal to you. It's called the BMW X5 Security, and it has been armored by the factory to protect its occupants against some serious firepower (BMW claims safety class "VR4" to resist the penetration from a .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum, or a nine-millimeter Luger). While BMW is understandably mum about specifics, we do know that the body panels (including the roof and trunk) have been reinforced with a ballistic-resistant armored fiber developed in the Netherlands. The windows are upgraded to laminated 22-mm thick security glass, and a camera system with intercom keeps the passengers informed of what's happening outside their isolated cocoon. To handle the extra mass (you know its packing some weight) the Security package is bundled to the X5 4.8i model with its 4.8-liter 350-hp V-8. Nearly indistinguishable from the regular model, BMW has reportedly attempted to maintain the X5's driving dynamics with upgraded suspension and brakes. It's apparently no slouch, but we have yet to see any armored car that is considered exceptionally nimble.


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pelucidorpelucidor - 8/17/2008 11:00:44 AM
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Agent00J - I just picked up a $60k very well equipped X5 3.0 two days ago, great choice.

My wife was moving from a Lexus GX470 and previously she had an MDX and an RX300. On her behalf I checked out and test drove the MDX (too rough), ML350 (no 3rd row), GL550 (too big, overpriced), Lexus RX350 (no 3rd row, replacement due soon), Buick Enclave CXL (what was I thinking?), Mazda CX9 (interior not luxury enough for wife), Porsche Cayenne (massively overpriced, no 3rd row).

I love how the X5 drives and rides - very comfortable and pretty quiet but also perfectly planted and such well weighted steering. Needs a heavy foot for the smallish 260hp engine to move such a heavy vehicle, but my wife doesn't mind. Sadly the gadgetry is hit and miss - my biggest complaint is the rearview camera which is terrible quality and barely works at night, and the Park Distance Control is too noisy and sensitive (we had too turn it off).

But all the important basics of the vehicle are fantastic - good luck with yours.



350zdon17350zdon17 - 8/16/2008 10:15:02 AM
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there is something wrong with you...no one is buying a Pebble Beach or Miami Beach or South Beach or Wikiki Beach Lexus

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daytonavioletdaytonaviolet - 8/16/2008 11:03:45 AM
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Right...those cars are definitely good comparisons to an ML or X5.

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Agent00JAgent00J - 8/16/2008 11:28:31 AMView My AgentSpace
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MT - Thanks for the suggestions. Sadly neither car you mention (Pebble Beach SC430 or the IS-f) is practical for my wife or our growing family. I give you credit for your loyal allegiance to the Lexus moniker however.

-00J


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Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/16/2008 11:31:45 AM
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MT,you are such an idiot.

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AudiphileAudiphile - 8/16/2008 12:25:13 PM
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Mikey,

Remember that 00J and his wife were shopping for SUVs, not a 2+2 roadster or a small sports sedan. Lexus has several SUV models, why don't you recommend one of those to 00J.


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pushrod27pushrod27 - 8/16/2008 9:57:55 AM
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That's a shame. I hate people who try to sell stuff that they don't know anyting about.

Have you ever seen that episode of King of Hill where Hank takes Bobby to work with him? It should be mandatory viewing for all new salespersons.

Seriously though, you would expect the staff at BMW and M-B dealerships to be pretty sharp and enthusiastic about the product - many of their customers are enthusiasts.

Volvos are sold mostly to women and guys whose wives demand they buy a Volvo. Even people who don't know cars know Volvo for safety. They don't draw an enthusiast crowd, so they figure they can get by with novice salespeople.

The lesson here is that if Volvo wants to be more competitive in the premium segment, they will need more than just sleek new designs - they will need to upgrade their front line with a new philosophy.


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Agent00JAgent00J - 8/16/2008 10:50:07 AMView My AgentSpace
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I think the point with Volvo is that they have allowed too many of their Ford employees to step up to the "higher end" vehicle Volvo to try their hand at selling.

I still chuckle at the sales guy reading me the window sticker to answer the question. I guess I must have looked like I can't read!

-00J



steve27tsteve27t - 8/16/2008 10:00:54 AM
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This reminds me of many showroom experiences, but here is one, back in the early 90's I went car shopping with my wife for a Mazda (it was the 2 door sport version that was similar to the Ford Probe) we asked the salesman if it came in red, he said no, but on the way out right there in the lot they had a demonstrator, in RED.

It amazes me to this day that dearlerships can employ people, without training them, and let them loose on customers with no knowledge of their products.


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jselljsell - 8/16/2008 10:04:55 AM
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As a salesperson (Acura), I would like to apologize for your experience. It's exactly people like you mentioned that put clients on edge no matter what dealership they walk into. It takes a lot to eliminate the barriers that people put up when shopping for a new automobile. I hope that you enjoy your new vehicle no matter what it may be. There are some very good SUVs on the market right now.
I don't want to start some bantor here, but why have you and your wife not considered the MDX?? Stacks up very well against the German cars that you are considering.


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QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 8/16/2008 10:20:25 AM
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You have to be joking jsell.. The MDX can't even come close to the BMW X5 or MB ML350. About the only thing it can compete with in this segment is any Lexus SUV.


_43LE_43LE - 8/16/2008 10:27:06 AM
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Are you kidding? OOJ buy a Japanese car? That would go against his religion.

Quantum, I seem to recall the MDX beating the X5 3.0 in a few comparisons tests.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 8/16/2008 10:29:09 AM
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Please post them then _43LE.. Would love to review them.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 8/16/2008 10:32:54 AM
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I think the MDX compares very favorably to the six-cylinder versions of the X5 and ML. It has good power, and really good ride, handling, technology, and interior capacity.

The problem with the MDX is that it's so ugly.

Also, with no V8 available, the MDX will always be perceived as a lower-end product when compared to the German SUVs.



Agent00JAgent00J - 8/16/2008 10:53:26 AMView My AgentSpace
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Jsell, we did in fact take a look at the MDX earlier in the week, the sales guy knew his product. My wife didn't like the looks of it, and she complained about large blind spots.

In addition, we have also looked at and driven the Nissan Murano (which I really like the look of). That sales guy didn't know the Murano LE had automatic climate control, which is clearly marked on the display.

As much as I love cars, I hate having to buy a car.

-00J



_43LE_43LE - 8/16/2008 1:53:50 PM
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Quantum,

I specifically remember a Car and Driver comparison that placed the MDX ahead of the X5 3.0. The C&D site is down right now but when it is back up I would be happy to share it with you.



_43LE_43LE - 8/16/2008 1:57:40 PM
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Quantum, Looks like I found it:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/performance_files_tested_by_c_d/bmw_x5_vs_acura_mdx_cadillac_srx_m_b_ml350_lexus_gx470
_volvo_xc90_vw_touareg_land_rover_lr3_comparison_test



KZ258KZ258 - 8/16/2008 10:56:22 AM
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wow double0j, you make buying cars so complicated lol

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diesottodiesotto - 8/16/2008 10:59:07 AM
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I think the ML is a great model but I sell mercedes so I'm a bit biased. Nevertheless, enjoy your X5 It's also a fantastic choice!

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diesottodiesotto - 8/16/2008 11:01:17 AM
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Regarding your comments about the BMW and MB sales staff you encountered I would like to point out a key topic. I'm not sure about BMW but when you get hired at a Mercedes dealership there is so much training and education up front. Sales people can't take new clients until they've completed their certification which takes on average about FIFTY hours! That usually weeds out the "wing it" salespeople who don't know anything and have to look at a window sticker, and definitely makes for a better customer experience.

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QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 8/16/2008 11:12:23 AM
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BMW also has an intense training program that their salespeople must complete before ever stepping foot on the showroom floor.

Everytime a new model is introduced by BMW or a refresh of a current model they are also sent to training sessions to make sure they know every aspect of the new models or refreshed ones.

I think this goes a long way in determining brand loyalty. BMW and Mercedes Benz seem to do a much better job of this than other luxury car makers.



mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 8/16/2008 5:15:59 PM
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eh hem. Excuse me quantum... you may be leaving out a large and ultra competent group.


diesottodiesotto - 8/16/2008 11:05:38 AM
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The education and product training continue throughout with model udpate tests, quarterly on-site model comparison, and instructor led training. MB spends a lot of money making sure that the people who represent their products are educated and up to their standards. Quality, Design, and Product doesn't matter if you don't have quality salespeople or a satisfying experience.

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goojmangoojman - 8/16/2008 11:23:17 AM
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car salesman are the scum of the earth.

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mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 8/16/2008 5:13:36 PM
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I don't know...if you ask me, you seem pretty nasty yourself spoojman.


NeverfollowNeverfollow - 8/16/2008 11:23:49 AM
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Of course there is another alternative not mentioned on your shopping list. Did you check out the V8 Audi Q7 yet? With all of the end of year incentives out there, you might want to consider one. They are a downright steal right now and have a lot more room than the X5.

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Agent00JAgent00J - 8/16/2008 11:37:32 AMView My AgentSpace
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My wife currently drives the A6 4.2, and She DOES NOT want another Audi.

-00J



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 8/16/2008 11:54:19 AM
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Yes, I agree, the Audi Q7 is one beautiful machine. Audi salespeople also receive intense training sessions before hitting the showroom floor.

Audi also makes some of the most finely crafted interiors in the business.. The Audi Quattro system is by far the best of the all wheel drives in the luxury segment too.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 8/16/2008 11:56:14 AM
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Well, I guess that excludes Audi... LOL

Didn't see the post until my comment was already posted.



KZ258KZ258 - 8/16/2008 1:00:30 PM
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00j, you buy your wives cars too or does she do that part?


almadyalmady - 8/16/2008 12:59:55 PM
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00J jaguar XF is the best now days :)

check this youtube vedio for more detailes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEeKcM3JxOA


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AudiphileAudiphile - 8/16/2008 1:03:29 PM
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00J,

You know your family's needs better than I, but do you really need a SUV? If you don't drive off-road or on unpaved roads, and don't tow a boat or trailer, wouldn't a station wagon be just as suitable, lighter, better-looking and better-handling? Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo and Saab all offer large and medium-sized wagon models.

I'm not suggesting a minivan because although they are very practical, they aren't fun to drive and some drivers have trouble coping with the "soccer mom" image of these vehicles. (They aren't called "mommyvans" for nothing!)

For curiosity's sake, why does Mrs. 00J not want another Audi? I'm not wild about the A6 either, but I love the A8 and the upcoming B8-body A4 is very nice indeed, and is almost as big on the inside as the A6.

The new Audi Avant is on my own "short list" of vehicles to consider when the lease on my Audi A8L expires. And if you can wait until February or March, Audi will be introducing the new S4, with asupercharged 350-hp V6, 7-speed dual-clutch S tronic transmission, torque vectoring system and magnetically-damped shock absorbers. It's a little smaller than the X5, but it will eat the Bimmer's lunch!


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AudiphileAudiphile - 8/16/2008 1:20:19 PM
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P.S. - The new B8 S4 will be available in both sedan and station wagon versions, as is the A4.


sectorsector - 8/16/2008 1:06:34 PM
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Buy the X6! it's perfect :)

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superchicagoman11superchicagoman11 - 8/16/2008 1:17:10 PM
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you should try out an infiniti... great cars! but thats just a thought.

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sectorsector - 8/16/2008 1:27:34 PM
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You're barking up the wrong tree mate :)


0to600to60 - 8/16/2008 2:07:50 PM
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I dont think infiniti offers a decent suv with a 3rd row seat. Just the bloated QX


350zdon17350zdon17 - 8/16/2008 2:42:23 PM
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Yea Infiniti really needs to bring in a mid-size 7 passenger SUV with decent MPG right now because the QX is a thing of the past even though it is great for its class


StarStar - 8/16/2008 6:01:21 PM
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"you should try out an infiniti... great cars"

What? Infiniti...great cars? Right, ha, ha, ha...What are you smoking? It's a Nissan equipped with leather standard and a shinier badge. It is a fraud on wheels perpetuated only in the land where the dumbest car buyers live.



superchicagoman11superchicagoman11 - 8/16/2008 9:24:19 PM
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oh a third row seat... sorry... and ya i've never been a fan of the QX


Agent00JAgent00J - 8/16/2008 1:37:49 PMView My AgentSpace
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Audiphile,

Mrs. 00J has the A6 4.2 with the keyless entry/start system that has locked our son in the car twice while the key was on the inside. The A6 has a habit of locking on its own. When we park the cars in our garage, we always leave the keys in the cars, the A6 has locked itself before.

Mrs. 00J along with baby 00J was quite upset the other day when baby 00J got locked in the car when the system locked itself with Mrs. 00J on the outside.

It is quite comical watching Mrs. 00j evaluate the other cars which have the keyless function as she conducts her own field tests to insure the car won't lock while the key is inside.

-00J


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AudiphileAudiphile - 8/18/2008 9:09:55 AM
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00J,

Your wife's experience with the keyless entry system was both amusing and frightening. I've never had that kind of experience with my A8.

But you didn't answer my other question. If you don't drive off-road, drive on unpaved roads a lot, or tow a trailer, do you really need a SUV? A mid-full-size station wagon would be roomy, lighter, more fuel-efficient, better-handling, and (in my opinion) better-looking. Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Volvo and Saab offer mid-size and full-size wagons. And some of them are fun to drive too.



eric2097eric2097 - 8/16/2008 2:46:38 PM
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From what it sounds like that Volvo salesman wasn't smoking a cigarette...

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WhattheWhatthe - 8/16/2008 3:02:36 PM
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Isn't the Volvo a straight 6?

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komododavekomododave - 8/16/2008 4:47:20 PM
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on one of your points 00J. You said the top sales people are the ones most passionate about the product. That is COMPLETELY WRONG. I sold cars for 2 years and I gaurantee that the top sales people were not passionate about the cars, they were great at manipulating people. I was the most passionate at the dealership and knew the most of anybody there. I was frequently asked by management and dealership owners to explain cars to there frinds and loved ones. I still have a standing offer to return any time I want. I was a middling salesman, not the best and not the worst, but I knew my product backwards and forwards. I just didn't like manipulating people and would actually tell someone they were making a stupid mistake in many situations. I cared more about the customer being happy and well educated than with making the sale. Assuming the best sales people are the most passionate is wrong. Thats like assuming the most popular car is the best, or assuming the most expensive is the best. We all know that these assumptions aren't true.

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noname00noname00 - 8/16/2008 8:04:48 PM
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What about the MB GL?

I wanted to reflect on the fact that the X5 is just an "urban monster", as I prefer the 530(x)i, but "why do you need an SUV if you will use it only on paved roads" is argued for many years. I love the X5 and the ML, but I couldn't buy one.


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motor1motor1 - 8/16/2008 8:20:20 PM
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One day my girlfriend who drives an E39 BMW 530i M from 2003, decided that she felt like it is time to upgrade. So, the next day, we went to the local authorised BMW dealership. I normally have a salesperson who was always happy to help me with my questions and would let me test drive as many vehicles as I wanted. But when I went to the front reception desk, after being followed by about another half a dozen salesmen, and asked if he could help us, she said that he is out for two weeks because he is out of the country. So we continued with one of our followers. We found a very nice (at first) grey BMW 550i M. My girlfriend decided to keep it overnight while her car was serviced and evaluated. The following morning, I couldn't be there as I was busy with a business meeting, so she decided to drop it off herself. When she got there, the salesmen said that her car would be about another 15 minutes, so why don't they go in a drive with the grey 550 so he could point out the really good features with the car. So she did. But when she did that, the sale began to slip. She didn't like the way the salesmen was treating her as if she was a grade 1 student and knew nothing about automobiles. Then, she found out how much the car consumes. The salesmen was truly desperate, as he then said (to her engagement ring {she's my soon to be wife}) that it sparkles in the reflection. That was it. My girlfriend bit her tongue, turned around and continued the drive back to the dealership, where she said "I'll think about it" and grabbed her E39 BMW. While I'm not going to leave the dealership, I'll definitely only go when our favourite salesperson is there as the others try to stalk you and are suck ups.

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StarStar - 8/17/2008 10:57:09 AM
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Motor1 "She didn't like the way the salesmen was treating her as if she was a grade 1 student and knew nothing about automobiles. Then, she found out how much the car consumes. The salesmen was truly desperate, as he then said (to her engagement ring {she's my soon to be wife}) that it sparkles in the reflection. That was it."

That doesn't make any sense.
She is clearly clueless when it comes to cars if she doesn't know that a 550i is not really a top choice for fuel economy. The story makes the salesman look like a martyr. I cannot imagine how you must feel when dealing with people(buyers) like this. Kudos to the salesmen for not losing his temper when confronted with such amount of stupidity.



nozferatunozferatu - 8/16/2008 8:42:11 PM
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Do you really need an SUV? How big is your family? How often will you need to be in a gas-guzzler everyday with more than one person in it?

I don't get this gut reaction of "I need a SUV for the family"...

You'll also need a "large, 6000 sqft house" in the burbs too....don't want those kids to be traumatized or anything like that.


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pelucidorpelucidor - 8/17/2008 11:02:21 AM
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Agent00J - I just picked up a $60k very well equipped X5 3.0 two days ago, great choice.

My wife was moving from a Lexus GX470 and previously she had an MDX and an RX300. On her behalf I checked out and test drove the MDX (too rough), ML350 (no 3rd row), GL550 (too big, overpriced), Lexus RX350 (no 3rd row, replacement due soon), Buick Enclave CXL (what was I thinking?), Mazda CX9 (interior not luxury enough for wife), Porsche Cayenne (massively overpriced, no 3rd row).

I love how the X5 drives and rides - very comfortable and pretty quiet but also perfectly planted and such well weighted steering. Needs a heavy foot for the smallish 260hp engine to move such a heavy vehicle, but my wife doesn't mind. Sadly the gadgetry is hit and miss - my biggest complaint is the rearview camera which is terrible quality and barely works at night, and the Park Distance Control is too noisy and sensitive (we had too turn it off).

But all the important basics of the vehicle are fantastic - good luck with yours.


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DW1968DW1968 - 8/17/2008 1:40:57 PM
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Many, many years back, I was at a Mazda dealer just before closing, and just finished test driving a 323. I liked the car and was pretty much ready to deal, but I wanted to silver one, and the car I drove was white, so I asked if they had a silver one with the same equipment or how long it would take to get one in. The sales guy actually tried to convince me that the test car (which was absolutely positively white) actually WAS silver, but I just *thought* it was white because I was it was dark out and I was seeing it under the street light instead of in the daylight. I did not buy, and in fact, I was so insulted that I didn't even want a Mazda any more, I went and bought a Honda Civic instead.

This was years and years ago, before the Internet, and when car salespeople would say "What can I do to put you in this car today", without a trace of retro-sarcastic irony.


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darzavdarzav - 8/22/2008 6:13:21 AM
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Hey Agent00J, Personally i think the BMW is the best pick of the lot. MB and Audi are very close competitors. Ive driven all these vehicles and currently i own a BMW X5 4.8i. I compared it with a Porsche Cayenne, however i was not willing to pay that much money for a crap interior and a ugly exterior.

A friend of mine owns a X5 4.4i from 2005 and he says his car was built in Germany while mine is built in the States. I have been informed that all BMW X5's since 1999 have been built in the states however the engine was built in Germany. Please tell me which is true? He is going on about how much better his car is compared to mine (which is rather funny) since it was built in Germany. Im not insulting American quality however i just want to know. Were X5's ever built in Germany? Thanks.


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