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An Exclusive List: Who Makes The Most Coveted Cars In The World?

Agent009 submitted on 09/07/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 1:25 PM
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An Exclusive List: Who Makes The Most Coveted Cars In The World?

The Bugatti Veyron supercar can go from zero to 60 in less than 2.5 seconds and reach a top speed of 253 miles per hour. And by most accounts it ranks as the world's most expensive production vehicle.

But with a planned worldwide run of 300, even the most deep-pocketed will not likely see one, ever. That's because, in addition to dropping $1.4 million, buyers will have to wait in line about 10 months for the 80 to 90 models rolling off the assembly line this year.

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Agent009 - 9/7/2007 2:09:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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But it isn't on the list. I guess not desirable enough?

Actually all but one are Europeans. What does that tell you?

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david989 - 9/7/2007 2:23:39 PM

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Agent009 - 9/7/2007 3:07:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well by the nature of this list the Japanese still have a ways to go in the eyes of the wealthy.

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rocker - 9/7/2007 3:42:25 PM

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houstoncutie2000, you said burt bachrach. Did you check to see what Barry Manilow and Perry Como drive?

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Agent009 - 9/7/2007 3:48:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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Thats nice they all drive a common car. But this list is about coveted cars, which is most cases means exclusive.

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henbmw - 9/7/2007 4:10:48 PM

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That list of celebrities is completely fabricated. Stop wasting internet space

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EL34 - 9/7/2007 6:26:31 PM

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houstoncutie2000, that list is of a bunch of snobs and slobs that bought the "hybrid hype" because they think they're saving the enviroment and for the self parking because they're too good to park a car!

BTW houstoncutie2000, did you hear about the new video of Al Gore getting off his private Gulfstream jet and into a Limo?

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enthusiastx11 - 9/7/2007 6:59:16 PM

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and there's no wait list! so desirable. not even sure if they'll be able to sell out production.

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EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 7:55:30 PM

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It's a hybrid -- I don't want it.

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johnct - 9/8/2007 11:45:32 PM

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Unbelievable how idotic the Lexus fans are here. How little oxygen is required to be this stupid!

Ferrari's are simply untouchable but the latest Aston's and Lambo's are pretty desirous also.

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GTR35 - 9/10/2007 12:16:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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HoustonDummy, jundging by your stupid comments I'm sure you're blond. And it almost sounds like you were hired by Lexus to post your comment; the LS, please.
I hope you get banned.

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CLK63BlackSeries - 9/7/2007 2:51:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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Thats a misconception that most Lexus fanboys site as evidence that the car is in demand. However, sold out doesn't mean that none are availible. Usually, it just means that the dealers have secured as many cars as they possibly can from the manufacturer just in case the car is in high demand. That way they can say that no more will be availible for two years or what have you. What it really means is that they will have 10 cars (if Lexus will only be giving that dealership 5 a year) and maybe 2 people are in line waiting for one. So the first two are taken, and the others are up for grabs. Usually dealers wait until some one places an order for a car to tell the manufacturer that they want a specific number of IS350s, for example. With cars that are supposedly "Sold out" it usually means that the dealers have secured as many as they can get, like i said, juuuust in case there is high demand. So to conclude this rather loooooong explanation of this misconception, "sold out" doesn't necessarily mean sold out, and as for the LS600H, it doesn't for sure because I can go down to my local dealership and put an order down on one and recieve it when their next batch of LS's come in.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/7/2007 2:16:41 PM

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But it comes with a 1001 HP and a superior DSG transmission.

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david989 - 9/7/2007 2:27:15 PM

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Star - 9/7/2007 2:45:27 PM

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More like "look at me I'm Bill Gates and I know s**t about cars. I'm also one of the worst drivers so the handicap parking system from Lexus helps me park the car". Nobody that has enough skills and brains to do parallel parking will ever buy a Lexus.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/7/2007 3:01:47 PM

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No that I've stepped into this mess, Forbes reports that Bill Gates daily driver is a Porsche 911 Cabrio and has he a 959.

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ICON - 9/7/2007 5:05:21 PM

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You blathering idiot!
It did not make the list. It is not coveted by the wealthy so get over it. and leave your tired diatribe out of these threads...

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 5:08:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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The LS600hL does not have an eight-speed automatic transmission. It has CVT.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/7/2007 5:09:50 PM

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BMW is the best selling luxury brand in the world

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EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 7:58:29 PM

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What's the big deal about an 8-speed transmission when 5 or 6 speeds is quite adequate?

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STJ88 - 9/7/2007 2:08:01 PM

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david989 - 9/7/2007 2:25:39 PM

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david989 - 9/7/2007 2:32:19 PM

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Star - 9/7/2007 2:51:23 PM

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"Tell me sexy Houston, has BMW or Benz ever created something new?"

Sexy Houston is probably a 400 pounds chick leaving with her parents, but I guess that's your idea of sexi...david. 90% of the new technology in the auto business comes from Mercedes. Japanese cars today have the same level of technology as German cars 10 years ago.

EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 8:01:34 PM

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How can that be when it does not even have a rust-free aluminum body or AWD with a Torsen differential?

david989 - 9/7/2007 2:37:13 PM

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Star - 9/7/2007 2:54:04 PM

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Lexus LS600h is an abomination. There was never anything as useless as a Hybrid that uses more fuel than a gasoline powered car.

EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 8:04:23 PM

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david989, it would be more accurate to say that once you have experienced the Bentley Arnage or Brooklands Coupe, you will not even look at a Lexus.

528i - 9/7/2007 2:52:20 PMView My AgentSpace

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WTF 15 comments until now and none of them about the article.

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diesselxp - 9/7/2007 3:32:29 PM

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THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT LEXUS LS 600H?
IN PERSON IS F GOOD LOOKING CAR .
LAST MONTH(august) SOLD MORE THAN Mercedes-Benz S CLASS(2427 UNITS)AND LEXUS LS MORE THE 3000 UNITS.

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rocker - 9/7/2007 3:44:47 PM

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Buffet drives a Caddy.

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EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 7:53:39 PM

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Buffet is truly patriotic if he drives a Cadillac -- nothing wrong with that but he deserves nothing lell than the Bentley Brooklands Coupe. As for his friend Bill Gates, I switched to Apple about two years ago and will never use Gates' software again. I could care less what Bill Gates drives.

EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 8:14:29 PM

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"lell" above should read "less".

rocker - 9/7/2007 4:15:59 PM

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Houstoncutie2000, you maybe too smart for this site. Can't you blog with Stephen Hawking about black holes or something?

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SixxFive - 9/7/2007 4:06:37 PM

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Houstoncutie2000: interesting that you claim that basically the entire golfing world drives a Lexus LS600h when the trunk is so small (smaller than a BMW Z4) due to the hybrid batteries that it can't hold a set of golf clubs.....

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/8/2007 1:07:24 AMView My AgentSpace

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And this pertains to the LS600hL's laughable trunk, how?

enthusiastx11 - 9/8/2007 6:59:43 PM

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houston:

do you work for lexus? how do you know so much detail?

Will_ - 9/8/2007 8:06:14 PM

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When have I ever said anything like that in a clearly biased-towards-European, subjective list? I couldn't care any less about Lexus being an "appliance." Maybe the Euros should try to build a good "appliance" first so they would stop losing sales to Lexus in North America...

Dumbass.

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1evlaudi - 9/7/2007 4:36:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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WELL, WELL, PEOPLE, I DON'T SEE ANY LEXUSES ON THAT LIST FROM FORBES. SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE CARS ON THE LIST, PLEASE!?!

Houston, go get a life
David, go back in your closet
STJ, get a clue

this is so annoying, it's like a parasite, or like a bad itch. Go away if you don't have anything meaningfull to say.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 5:12:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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No, in this case, cutie, YOU were the "jealous hater." You were complaining about the LS600hL not being on this list- and it has turned into this terrible, useless flame war with your incredibly asinine comments.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/8/2007 1:08:45 AMView My AgentSpace

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Please, stop calling yourself an Audi fan. I will not allow it. Every day you post miles of rubbish about how amazing Lexus is. Please, go away. It's a waste of space. Do you think anybody reads it? We just de-boost right when we see who wrote it.

theoptimisticpessimist - 9/7/2007 5:00:40 PM

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ANYWAY, my choices the Audi R8 and the RR Drophead, I take the Bug in a pinch.

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BMfan - 9/7/2007 5:02:37 PM

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So if a celebrity(modern day jester) drive's off a cliff ,so should we.

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sedaine - 9/7/2007 5:22:48 PM

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I think most people are missing the point. Firstly, Lexus does make a wonderful car. But I think it is a little naive to assume that because someone drives a certain car it must be the best car in the world.

That is much like someone waking up and telling you that Apple makes the fastest computer in the world!!! Yet a seasoned vet would just hop on the "google" and in seconds look beyond the marketing hype.

YES all those rich people may own a Lexus - BUT is that all they own? No SL or Porsche's in their names? They same people drive Pius. I wonder!!!

Secondly, will this fabulous Lexus be worth $10 million in 50 years time? i.e is it going to be a collectors item parked in someone private garage for the next 50 years or will the Aston Martin or some such other car be parked there?

My train of thought would be this - drive a lexus to work, very reliable and comfortable car - but over the weekend I would rather be in my Range - more presence - it's that intangible that makes a woman look and know that "hey, someone important has arrived, wonder who he is". I never get that from the lexus - but it's a darn good car if you ask me - it just suffers from the Audi syndrome.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/7/2007 6:11:51 PM

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Hear,hear, the real wisest comment of the day!

david999 - 9/7/2007 6:20:35 PM

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Lexus's main market is the U.S. and they dominate here. When someone pulls-up in an LX, "woman look and know that "hey, someone important has arrived, wonder who he is" ", same as a Range Rover does. Don't kid yourself.

audirevolution - 9/8/2007 3:10:15 PM

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When people see an LX, people wonder "isnt that a Toyota LandCruiser?"

david999 - 9/9/2007 10:01:03 AM

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I guess the same way people see an Audi and wonder "isnt that a VW?"

Lemantech - 9/9/2007 4:53:12 PM

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of course David...you would be the one to point that out because you have intelligence that narrowly surpasses that of a an ameoba

sedaine - 9/7/2007 5:24:57 PM

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I love Audi as well - love underdogs.

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EnnNorak - 9/7/2007 8:12:41 PM

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My leased A6 Quattro is a better value than any Lexus currently on the market. The V-8 powered Lexus LS may be a better car but it is not a better luxury value. Anyway, the Lexus LS does not even offer LSD while my A6 has a superb AWD system that has saved my ass many times in winter driving.

david999 - 9/7/2007 6:23:47 PM

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BMW is not on the list either. I bet that their are a lot of people that would crave one, as well as a Lexus or whatever. This list is only one writers opinion.

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enthusiastx11 - 9/7/2007 7:01:59 PM

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the list is based on how long it takes to get one.
those are facts.
not opinions.

david999 - 9/7/2007 8:01:17 PM

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Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione...2 year waiting list
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti...18 month wait
Lexus LS600hl...15 month wait

These are some of the cars not on the list and they have longer waiting times
than some of the cars listed by the Forbes writer, so yea I think it was his opinion.

enthusiastx11 - 9/8/2007 7:01:11 PM

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there's no wait list for an LS600.

call a good car broker and they'll find you one after speaking with a few dealers.

david999 - 9/9/2007 10:02:09 AM

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I have. For an LS600hl, 15 month wait.

nine - 9/7/2007 10:04:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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Mercedes-Benz clearly are the best. The first car with an airbag that could be used as a restrainment system was a Merc S-Class, the first car with anti-lock brakes was an S-Class and the first car with satellite navigation was an S-Class. What more can you prove to be the best car? Plus the amazing performance and safety of all Mercedes-Benz.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/8/2007 1:10:54 AMView My AgentSpace

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This is coming from someone whose name is "bmwfan999?" Confusing, to say the least.

Htay7500 - 9/8/2007 11:21:33 PM

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"first car with satellite navigation was an S-Class."

when? the 1st car to offer an onboard nav system was in the JDM Honda Legend, which came over here as the acura legend, being the 1st vehicle to offer an onboard nav system.

1evlaudi - 9/9/2007 1:01:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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this is not even worth commenting on, there was already plenty of posts here where people tried tp prove that this brand came up withis first and that one with that first. many brands worldwilde have come up with stuff first, but this was not the subject. What was the subject anyway, because reading your posts, and all the stupid comments, I have a hard time remembering...LOL
The most coveted cars on the market.
I remember now.

Htay7500 - 9/9/2007 9:06:13 AM

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I guess theyre making MBZ look bad?

bokuchin - 9/7/2007 10:48:43 PM

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Although I think that in terms of technical inovation and luxury, Mercedes-Benz is very good, I just can't be seen in one simply because, as with most prestige cars in the world, the badge sells the car. Same with BMW, Ferarri, Maserati, Cadillac, Lincoln, etc. I like Audi because, at least in america, it is very understated and elegant and you buy one because you want one, not because it's a Merc and you want to show off to the neighbors.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/8/2007 1:11:40 AMView My AgentSpace

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EXACTLY! Enough said!

Htay7500 - 9/8/2007 8:10:17 AM

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I agree on that, some of the reasons why I would avoid a benz. great cars, but since I live nxt to some of the biggest MB dealerships in MD and DC area and its no joke you can see one on every st. corner. and it gets bothering.

Rupert - 9/8/2007 8:29:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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I have the same deal with Porsche - they're ten a penny where I live, very near a Porsche dealer.

Submariner2 - 9/8/2007 12:23:01 AM

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I'm not sure this huston cutie is even real.

Anyways, I think she/he is seriously out of touch.

Just a few points.

a. If you're going to brag about the LS Hybrid being great, you might want to make sure you know that it has a CVT, not an 8-speed auto.

b. "But is not gone get it. For 1.4 Million dollars and it doesn't have an 8-speed automatic transmission, nor the world's most advance engine, not as near technological, Nor not near as green. Only stuid people with stupid money will do such a stupid thing. Thank God Bill Gates the richest man in the world is not stupid, because he drives a "Lexus". Even though he can buy all of those cars on the list at 100 times each."

This right here tells me you still lurk in the classrooms of the 5th grade. You want to speak about technology, let's discuss the LS's revolutionary hybrid system that not only slows the car down, but makes it less fuel efficient as well. Brilliant! With this breakthrough in engine development, we will surely reverse global warming, bring back extinct animals, and all live in peace...

...or perhaps thats your dreamworld.

Fact is lexus sold a overweight poorly designed poorly executed vehicle on hype alone. At least when Rivals of the LS diminish fuel economy, they make their cars faster. Lexus managed to make theirs slower. If this is the direction Lexus tech is going then count me out. I'll stick with my archaic German engineering, thank you very much.

I also find it somewhat comical that while on one of your childish tirades, you managed to spell the word "S-T-U-P-I-D" wrong.

And I still don't get why you're comparing a collectors car to the LS. Regardless of what the Veyron lacks in comparison to the LS, millions upon millions were spent perfecting this vehicle. It's not designed to "self park itself" (really, if you cant self park, you shouldn't be on the road) it's a museum piece, it's as simple as that. By your flawed logic, the McLaren F1, Ferrari Enzo, Pagani Zonda, Ultima GTR, etc are all worthless pieces of rubbish because they dont have cooled seats, or someother crap like that. Grow up, and learn a thing or two about cars.

"Europeans lack technology"

I was going to call you out on this one, but then I realized they don't get this in depth in 5th grade social studies.

Oh, and Dave...

"It's more than that. The LS600h defines what the new car of the next era should be like. Lexus has lead the way again into the future. Countless carmakers will strive to invent and perfect hybrids the way Lexus has perfected them and they will try to emulate the LS600h but to no avail. The LS600h is the future. Cars can be fast and fun to drive and still be clean and green. The LS600h is such a car."

They haven't perfected it. They demonstrated that when it was slower and less fuel efficient than the petrol only model. And please don't kid yourself saying th LS is fun to drive. It's not.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/8/2007 1:15:05 AMView My AgentSpace

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I agree with EVERYTHING you said. The only thing wrong: VW didn't just spend mere millions on the Veyron. It was BILLIONS. And worth every penny!

LOL, "fun to drive," the LS600hL? I'll take my cake and eat it with an Audi S8.

Anthony - 9/8/2007 1:37:58 AM

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The LS600hL is about performance without the sacrifice of fuel economy. It's not that hard to understand, unless you're a bitter Euro-snob, apparently. And houstoncutie might be a Lexus troll, but then again he might be a fake poster, spewing crap to anger the rest of us into bashing Lexus. Look who's stupid now...

Bill - 9/9/2007 8:40:51 AM

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How is the LS600h about "performance" when the acceleration and fuel economy are WORSE or NO DIFFERENT from the LS460? The LS600h is clearly a mistake on Lexus part. And there's nothing spectacular about it being "sold out" since it's a limited edition model.

david999 - 9/9/2007 10:03:20 AM

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It is such a mistake that everybody wants one.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/9/2007 11:05:00 AMView My AgentSpace

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Anthony, you still don't understand something. THE LS600HL DOES NOT OFFER ANY PERFORMANCE. NONE! And with that, you get 18mpg! AMAZING!

It's mind-blowing to me that you're still making excuses about this car. It was a mistake! It is NOT well-done! The LS460L is simply the more capable vehicle- it's just as fast/faster AND gets better mileage! AND costs less! AND is more fun to drive, because it weighs so much less!

ErichHartmann - 9/9/2007 6:37:57 PM

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The LS600h is also for sale in Europe, and the interest shown in it by Europeans has been very low according to our competition statistics data research.

The European consumer knows that hybrid systems achieve the best fuel economy within urban environments. Lexus advertisements here do not mention this. They claim that the car will achieve superior fuel economy in ALL situations, which is not the case. This is false advertising.

The European consumer is more convinced when it comes to diesel-powered vehicles, especially in the luxury class.

enthusiastx11 - 9/9/2007 10:56:21 PM

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999:

i don't think 'everyone' wants one. there are only 1500 or so LS600s being made per year. that's TINY volume for a car priced at $104,000. a properly equipped S550 is the same price and mercedes manages to move over 2500 per month. so whatever difficulty you seem to be having obtaining one is due to tiny volume not high demand.

david999 - 9/10/2007 10:53:38 AM

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Enthusiastx,
That logic applies to all the vehicles on the list, ie, they are all produced in limited numbers. That is why they are on waiting lists.

Airliner - 9/8/2007 3:29:24 AM

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Um... why does this always happen... Can we have a Lexus free post... Just once?? Should I put this on my Christmas wish list? Hey guys, sorry that Lexus didn't make the list... Heck, nor did a whole bunch of other cars and their fanatics took it easy on us. Why dont you folks creat your own Ode to Lexus website and leave us in peace?

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sedaine - 9/8/2007 8:03:30 AM

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So the point all the Lexus defenders are putting across is - At night I dream about the LS600HL? I want to pin up a poster of this car cause it is so beautiful (ala Lamborghini Countach - remember all those posters!!) We are comparing a luxury car that competes with S-class, 7 series, A8 - and then trying to compare it with a Lamborghini?!! I know lexus is good, but just how good?

As I pointed out, I love my Lexus - but it is not an Aston Martin - if anyone is so in love with Lexus, put your money were your mouth is, I am willing to swap my LS 460 with your Aston Martin (he he he!!!)

I think the main thing to consider is the derived exclusivity obtained from certain cars. It's much like saying I went to Harvard - it may not be the best program you attend, but the assumed UNTOUCHABLE. UCLA, Penn State etc. are all great schools, but then Harvard is given that little extra something in respect - No?

The title of BEST car in the world is very different from most sought after. Miss Universe may be the hottest women from a collection of women, but she will not be hunted down for a photo shoot like the top models. They have that something else - the UNTOUCHABLE - goodwill if you like, that you can't put a price on. Heritage.

Most reliable luxury car in the world = Lexus.

Most exclusive luxuy car in the world = Range Rover Sport! :) (Well, hey - it's my baby - and it's a JOKE!)

So ask yourselves, what car do you stay up and dream about? Which car inspires you from a design perspective?

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Will_ - 9/8/2007 8:10:04 PM

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I feel the exact same way. Too bad ignorance rules this site, from both polar opposite ends. Aston Martin DB9 is the car I dream about, Lexus LS is the car I own.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/9/2007 11:07:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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I'm going to try very hard to find a used DB9 Volante over the next few years... that car is simply the most beautiful in the world.

At least there's ONE thing everyone can agree on. Except BenzW124, I guess.

sedaine - 9/8/2007 8:08:48 AM

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I also think a true car collector is not buying S-class, 7 series, A8 and certainly not Lexus - I have a better chance with the 1986 M3 at a collectors item than with the LS600HL.

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Submariner2 - 9/8/2007 10:04:29 AM

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"The LS600hL is about performance without the sacrifice of fuel economy. It's not that hard to understand, unless you're a bitter Euro-snob, apparently. And houstoncutie might be a Lexus troll, but then again he might be a fake poster, spewing crap to anger the rest of us into bashing Lexus. Look who's stupid now..."

This may be true, but the petrol model is faster and just as, if not more, fuel efficent.