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Apocalypse NOW? Toyota Free Falls 17.9% Lexus Craters 24.9% In July
Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported July sales of 197,424 vehicles, a decrease of 18.7 percent from last July, on a daily selling rate basis.

The Toyota Division posted July sales of 175,242 units, a decrease of 17.9 percent from last July. The Lexus Division reported July sales of 22,182 units, a decrease of 24.6 percent from the year-ago month.

Toyota Division
Toyota Division passenger cars recorded July sales of 114,880 units, down 5.4 percent from the same period last year. Passenger-car sales were led by Camry and Camry Hybrid, which posted combined sales of 42,131 units. Camry Hybrid reported July sales of 2,645 units. Corolla recorded sales of 34,438 units for the month, up seven percent over July 2007. With limited availability, the Prius mid-size gas-electric hybrid posted July sales of 14,785 units. Yaris reported July sales of 8,620 units.

"Having the industry’s most fuel-efficient lineup is of value to us so long as we have the right product mix in our showrooms," said TMS President Jim Lentz. "That’s why we're accelerating production of 4-cylinder models and quickly responding to market conditions with repurposed U.S. plants and plans for a U.S.-built Prius."

Toyota Division light trucks recorded July sales of 60,362 units, down 34.3 percent from July 2007. Light truck sales were led by the Tundra full-size pickup with July sales of 13,413 units. The Tacoma mid-size pickup reported sales of 11,662 units for the month. Highlander and Highlander Hybrid posted combined sales of 6,763 units in July. The Highlander Hybrid gas-electric mid-size SUV reported July sales of 1,371 units, up five percent over last July. Sequoia posted sales of 2,823 units for the month, up 50.4 percent over the same period last year.

Scion posted July sales of 11,906 units. The xB urban utility vehicle led the way with July sales of 5,081 units. The tC sports coupe posted July sales of 4,787 units. The xD reported sales of 2,038 units for the month.

Lexus Division
Lexus passenger cars reported July sales of 13,219 units, a decrease of 27.2 percent from July 2007. Passenger-car sales were led by the ES entry luxury sedan with July sales of 5,563 units. The IS entry luxury sport sedan reported combined sales of 4,750 units. The LS flagship luxury sedan reported combined sales of 1,466 units. The GS luxury sport sedan reported combined July sales of 1,297 units.

Lexus Division light trucks recorded July sales of 8,963 units, down 20.3 percent from the year-ago month. Lexus sales were led by the RX luxury utility vehicle, which posted combined July sales of 7,101 units. The RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported July sales of 1,439 units. The LX 570 reported sales of 843 units, an increase of 277.7 percent versus the same period last year.

TMS Hybrids
TMS calendar-year-to-date hybrid sales totaled 165,522 units. TMS posted July sales of 20,363 hybrid vehicles. Toyota Division recorded sales of 18,801 hybrids for the month. Lexus Division reported July sales of 1,562 hybrids.

There were 26 selling days this month, as compared to 24 selling days last July.

Toyota Sales For July 2008



Apocalypse NOW? Toyota Free Falls 17.9% Lexus Craters 24.9% In July



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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 8/1/2008 1:01:32 PMView My AgentSpace
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The mighty Lexus??
Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so.........

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WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 8/1/2008 9:35:08 PM
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Well, as we can all see from the unpredictable changes in the auto industry for the last decade, it's really easy to get up to the top, but there weren't any promises that it would be easy to stay up there.

Just as usual...no effort means no improvement. That's how Lexus has been for quite a while.


EL34EL34 - 8/1/2008 1:08:24 PM
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I would take a Ford Fusion over any Toyota or Lexus.



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Htay7500Htay7500 - 8/1/2008 2:34:22 PM
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good choice. its a nice mazda.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/1/2008 3:14:37 PM
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yeah that was one brand Ford was smart for holding on to...


_43LE_43LE - 8/1/2008 4:16:57 PM
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"I would take a Ford Fusion over any Toyota or Lexus."

You might want to think twice about that. Oh, I forgot!, you don't do that sort of thing...

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jm/2008-ford-fusion.php


HokkaidoWindHokkaidoWind - 8/1/2008 6:49:54 PM
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Bmwdrvr -> +1


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/1/2008 1:09:30 PM
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lol. yeh it does sound bad, but leave it up to us lexus fanboys to see the positive.

even in its last year of production, the RX series still pulls in 8,500 units? that is almost remarkable.



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audirevolutionaudirevolution - 8/1/2008 1:37:15 PM
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Wow, never knew that the LS outsold the GS.

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hao420hao420 - 8/1/2008 2:56:38 PM
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Wow, u knew A4 outsold the A8...


HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 8/1/2008 3:10:07 PM
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Hao, please learn English before posting. Your posts make little to no sense and detract from this online community.


M35MTM35MT - 8/1/2008 1:56:44 PMView My AgentSpace
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What's with this DSR Method? In reality IS sales dropped 2.9% not over 10% - where do they get this figure from?

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Agent009Agent009 - 8/1/2008 2:52:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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The Japanese typical report DSR (Daily Sales Rate) method. Where your percentages are measured on a daily basis rather than a monthly rate.

The Europeans use a flat out monthly rate. Nissan in their release is changing from DSR to the raw figure for consistency.

The US makers tend to report both ways choosing to use the percentage that places them in the best light.


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 2:53:16 PM
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toolatetoracetoolatetorace - 8/1/2008 3:44:34 PM
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....... and Consumer Reports no longer recomends Toyota Tundra . That's like hearing the world will stop and spin the other way


07G35J07G35J - 8/1/2008 11:40:12 PM
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damikco, you want to run your posts through Word or something to correct your spelling and grammar errors before posting them? I don't want to sound like an a%$hole, but I couldn't make heads and tails of whatever you were trying to say.


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 1:57:54 PM
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IVANURI97IVANURI97 - 8/1/2008 2:04:10 PM
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I am sure it is...when you base everything on the Camry, of course it's easier to make money. Just wondering, do you have a link or something to back up that claim?


VISOVISO - 8/1/2008 2:15:53 PM
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How do you know that Lexus beats MB, Audi, and BMW in terms of profit margin? I am just curious how you know this. First of all, Toyota does not report Lexus financial numbers separately from Toyota. There is no way to know the what the benchmark criteria are for Lexus such net return per unit and so forth. So, please stop posting fanboy BS and tive actual numbers in comparison to Audi, BMW,and Mercedes-Benz.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:14:41 PM
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please do share lexus' profit margins. toyota does NOT disclose ANY financial information about lexus. so curious to hear your data and its source.


LexSucksLexSucks - 8/1/2008 9:40:33 PM
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Only fanboys brag about profit margins


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 8/3/2008 5:12:56 PMView My AgentSpace
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LMAO! Look at the reports dumbass. Toyota and Lex are in freefall..


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 2:04:55 PM
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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/1/2008 2:11:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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what are you talking about silver1? Actually, toyota is screaming about their losses. Last time I checked, the parent company for Lexus, is Toyota.


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 2:47:30 PM
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I stated Lexus nor Toyota is screaming about their Lease Offers because they hold their value...


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/1/2008 3:38:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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you are a goof .. They both are screaming due to the downturn they have taken over the last year. Lexus is down huge for the year and at the current pace BMW will overtake them by September and never look back. Lexus has sold 158k cars in the US vs BMW at 155k cars ....


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 3:40:18 PM
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Your denying the fact that BMW and Mercedes are hurting BAD on LEASES When Lexus is not due to value....


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/1/2008 3:45:46 PMView My AgentSpace
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denying what ? That you are a complete goof. I am definitely not denying that. Lexus is hurting alright, to the tune of being down every month for the last 13 months. When was the last time Lexus actually did better than the previous year? Lexus is in for a long downturn. It may take them about another year before they can climb out of the hole they dug with their complacent attitude.


silver1silver1 - 8/1/2008 4:12:26 PM
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Thank you for not denying that....

And Remember, "It's A Lexus"

One of the most greatest thing that ever happen to MANKIND was "Lexus"


FitzLAFitzLA - 8/1/2008 5:00:05 PM
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"One of the most greatest"? What are you, three?


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 8/3/2008 5:13:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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BMW has the highest residual value of any luxury car on the market..

Better check your facts mate..


AudiphileAudiphile - 8/1/2008 2:21:39 PM
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Hmmm. When I first heard about the sales downturns at Toyota/Lexus, I presumed that it was because of poor sales of minivans, pickups, & SUVs. However, some of their passenger sales are down for the year as well, even the fuel-efficient ones like the Prius. What gives?

Finally, I was surprised by the strong sales figures for the enormous, gas-guzzling Sequioa and Land Cruiser SUVs. Why are their sales figures UP so much?

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GS450hGS450h - 8/1/2008 3:44:54 PM
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Land Cruiser buyers have some of the highest average incomes. Gas prices are not concern to them.


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/1/2008 2:28:04 PM
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Wow. When Toyota gets hammered this hard, you know the auto business is bad.

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daytonavioletdaytonaviolet - 8/1/2008 3:28:29 PM
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Most Toyota/Lexus customers are conservative people, even if they have a lot of money. The economy starts to slip and they stop spending. It makes sense really.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:16:25 PM
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exactly. they are value shoppers even when they buy relatively expensive items.


Dr550Dr550 - 8/1/2008 4:40:44 PM
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"Remain calm. All is well." Again RX/ES lead sales. That Camry platfrom is working overtime.

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huu76huu76 - 8/1/2008 4:45:00 PM
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So this is what happens when you charge 8-10% financing on your cars in the middle of a recession.
Oh well, those are the crests and troughs in the business.

I would've said follow BMW and go down market with 2% and $5000 off but apparently BMW can't even give their cars away.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:18:02 PM
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hey huu.

bmw sales are flat while lexus are down 30% in june and 25% in july. that's a hell of a trough.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:19:00 PM
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it's lexus that can't even give their cars away despite being priced anywhere from 20-40% less than comparable mercedes and bmw models.

please explain.


sectorsector - 8/1/2008 5:32:18 PM
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Toyota/Lexus are just too darn reliable and last so long, that is why there isn't a quick turnover and the sales figures reflect this.

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FactsRuleFactsRule - 8/3/2008 8:59:50 PM
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LMAO!! My 2002 Lexus was a piece of SH_T... Plus Lexus screws you royally when you have your car serviced. I kept it one year and went back to the company the builds the best cars in the world and with passion: BMW


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/1/2008 5:42:58 PM
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Agents, please read all the posts in this thread and explain to me, with a straight face, how you could possibly think this site is a better place with people like

silver1
MichaelTaylor
Staar
AmazinBimmer

posting nonsense just to piss people off. And you lose credibility if you even try to say they believe anything they're saying. I dismiss that argument. They don't, and you know they don't.

This entire thread is nothing but fake fanboy garbage followed by people who don't know any better trying to argue with the fake fanboy garbage.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/1/2008 5:45:23 PM
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and huu76, who I am pretty sure is just Staar's alter ego.


audirevolutionaudirevolution - 8/1/2008 5:59:14 PM
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You forgot krautgod and Hao451


sectorsector - 8/2/2008 1:25:44 AM
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JRob - the man who tried to stop the internet :)

no, seriously, there are far worse things happening in the world than some minor bickering and heavy typing on some auto blog site. You can choose to ignore it. Besides, if you look up "fanboy" in the dictionary, I'm sure you'll find the term 'BMW' in the same sentence.

If you pass by a ugly woman on the street you look away don't you? same thing applies here.


kthorkthor - 8/7/2008 8:53:05 PM
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You also forgot auto001.


adamsaf723adamsaf723 - 8/1/2008 8:14:22 PM
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When you have a great year, your sales the following year seem incredibly weak in comparison.

That with a combination with the bad economy equals bad news for both brands.

No surprise for me. People that have money will always spend money, and people that don't become more conservative with how they spend money.

Shame on Toyota/Lexus for building cars that last forever.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:20:03 PM
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bmw had a record year in 2007.
and sales are flat in 2008.

apparently, some brands sales aren't as affected by an economic downturn.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/1/2008 9:12:03 PM
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one truly odd statistic in there....

lexus passenger car sales were down even MORE than lexus SUV sales. 27% vs. 20%. that's pretty awful.

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truthpursuittruthpursuit - 8/2/2008 11:52:57 AM
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If BMW wasn't buying business their sales would be way down.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/2/2008 12:02:39 PM
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lexus are a bargain next to bmw. and yet they can't move these value-priced cars. hmmm...


LexSucksLexSucks - 8/1/2008 9:42:31 PM
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America is finally getting wise. Some of those old lexuses on the road look really horrible. Faded paint, warped panels, seems and gaps that widen.

You can only trick people for so long

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sectorsector - 8/2/2008 1:31:43 AM
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don't know about that.. I see tons of SC300/400 on the road and these are more than 15 years old and they look good as new and even better looking than 80% of vehicles on the road.


800over800over - 8/2/2008 1:47:54 PM
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seems?! seems? I know not seems. How about seams.

I love comments by people who name themselves Sux. Pull your head out of your ass. You may not like how boring Lexus is but you certainly can't bitch about the quality their older cars are. If anything the new cars are the ones to check out.


JudasLeaseJudasLease - 8/2/2008 12:27:26 AM
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If anyone looked at the FACTS, BMW sells 60% leased, Lexus 43%. BMW is in huge trouble with their lease program, Lexus is not.

Lexus sold more luxury vehicles last year than anyone ever. For anyone around in the 1980s, what they did is just incredible.

They are down as they really have nothing new this year, what the LX and IS-F?

The amazing thing is they are down that much and still holding the sales crown.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/2/2008 2:01:40 PM
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"Lexus sold more luxury vehicles last year than anyone ever"

In the U.S. They're #1 in the U.S., barely, though they'll probably cede that to BMW this year. Globally Lexus is waaaaaaaaaaay behind BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. Lexus is going to get hit MUCH harder than the Germans when the U.S. economy sucks and the dollar is weak because they don't have the rest of the world to make money on. When was the last time that happened? Oh yeah, right now.

So don't cry for BMW, they'll be just fine. And they're a damn sight better off right now than Lexus is. If Lexus didn't have Toyota to bankroll them the last 13 months (and probably next upcoming 12 months) would absolutely screw them.


huu76huu76 - 8/2/2008 12:58:15 AM
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enthusiast,
Sure, 5% over 5 years equals approx 25% of the vehicle over the financing lifetime. Lexus is charging around 8.5% on their cars while BMW is charging 0.9%. Tell me which car is geared towards poor people now.

As for BMW's costing more, that's a crock. Every Lexus is equal in price or higher than its BMW counterpart, save for the 7series but then again, BMW does basically give you a 25% discount because of 0.9% financing (even on their rich guy 760i).

BMW now stands for Broke Middleclass Wannabes, unless they prefer Bear-Market-Writedowns.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/2/2008 12:03:47 PM
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did you say something?


FactsRuleFactsRule - 8/3/2008 8:54:08 PM
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huu I have to say you are almost as big of a douche bag as Taylor and Staar, but for right now I'll give you some space.

Your facts are way of base.

Lexus cars are nothing more than excess toyota parts with lip gloss, makeup and more mascara.. CHEAP


huu76huu76 - 8/2/2008 12:59:56 AM
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JRrob,
Sorry to disappoint you, but my alter egos don't use British spelling.

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huu76huu76 - 8/2/2008 1:02:11 AM
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Lexsucks,
BMW is finding that out right now as they're forced to basically give their cars away.

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StarStar - 8/2/2008 10:00:55 AM
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BMW is currently doing better than ANY of the Japanese car brands. Look at the numbers and you will understand how pathetic your rants are and how disconnected from reality you are.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/2/2008 12:04:46 PM
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huu:

i just got a 335i sedan. let me tell you, they're not "giving them away." in fact, i had to order mine.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/2/2008 12:06:24 PM
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also huu, lexus has been giving their cars away from day one. why do you think that toyota doesn't disclose financial information about lexus? answer: it's not very profitable because they're buying business to build the brand.


steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 3:43:27 PM
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I have guite a few friends in the industry and BMW might have great lease rates but they rape their customers for every last cent. A lot of the US vehicle boom has been built on access to cheap money, like the housing market. Maybe the credit crunch will see an end to some/all of these amazing deals? Only here in the US have we had this benefit, Europe and the rest of the world have had to pay for their cars with real money, the US is an anomaly.

It is interesting to see Toyota/Lexus sales decreases rcently. Toyota caters to a conservative middle class buyer who is looking first and foremost for reliability. These buyers are buying an appliance, they are not interested in the finer aspects of driving and the enjoyment of motoring and owning a fine piece of engineering. Everybody is getting hit in this recession but these conservative buyers are the first to hold back, the real premium marques will fare better.


BigShow50BigShow50 - 8/2/2008 1:12:14 PM
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Toyota and Lexus have nothing to worry about, even with the hugh plunge for July, they still have some high sales records compared to rivals in general. We are comparing numbers base on YTD(year to date) Toyota/Lexus has set the bar so high on themselves year in and year out, they will show poor numbers in an economy of "today" for comparison matters. No actual money loss, just the loss of "POTENTIAL PROFIT"....so carry on the Toyota/Lexus bashing German Faggots....cause at the end of the day the ones who are loosing out are the Euro-makes, for every car they sell they actually loose money, as for all those high residuals on the leases will soon catch up and bite in the ass big-time!!! Just facts ladies...just facts!!!!....LMAO!!!!

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huu76huu76 - 8/2/2008 2:59:45 PM
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enthusiast,
Wow, really?
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news/international/bmw_earnings/index.htm?postversion=2008080109
Apparently BMW in Germany just stated their profit for the quarter just tanked 33% and if they can't get rid of their used cars, they'll end up having a net loss. Yeah, BMW is just doing awesome.

I know my friend is getting charged 8.5% on his Lexus, and my friend would've been charged 5% on her '07 Yaris if she didn't cut them a cheque and pay for the whole thing.

1.05% over 5 years equals 25%, or closer to 20%. A $40K BMW at 0.9% will be less than a $40K Lexus which will end up costing $50K. That's what happens when your brand hasn't been diluted with cheap 1 series cars and low financing and yuppy leases.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/2/2008 8:46:01 PM
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huu.

you can quote all the articles you want. i actually buy the cars we talk about, so i'm speaking from experience.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/3/2008 9:31:47 AM
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Huu, so now it's your friend getting charged 8.5% interest? Before it was your brother.

Hmmm, I don't suppose Huu could be just absolutely full of $hit, making up everything he says, could he? Naah. He seems so honest and logical normally.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/3/2008 9:37:10 AM
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Huu, harp on BMW all you want for their profits being down, the difference between them and Lexus is BMW MADE THE INFORMATION PUBLIC. They're not hiding behind a parent company. Until Toyota stops being afraid to release Lexus financials (which they won't do because they'd be worse than any of the German luxury brands), it's a bit hypocritical of you to use the OTHER brands figures against them. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FIGURES FOR YOURS! Probably a good thing though, because I wouldn't want you jumping off a building when reality smacked you in the face. Keep dreamin' the dream Huu!


steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 5:16:09 PM
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Toyota does not have a single car in the top 10 selling cars in Europe. Peugeot has the best selling car, VW has 2nd and 9th, Ford has 3rd and 8th, GM (opel) has 4th and 5th, Renault has 6th, Fiat 7th and BMW has 10th best seller (3 series). Apparently the Prius is not in the top 100 in Germany! The Audi A8 sells better.

Lexus sold 56,000 vehicles is Europe, which includes Russia and other eastern european countries (where Lexus is a good seller). Toyota does not sell the Camry in Europe! They pulled out due to lack of sales.

I found this comment on a blog from AutSavant, an article about Toyota's plight in Europe...(not my words). But I think this sums up a Toyota pretty well.

"Americans like Toyotas because a lot of Americans don't like cars very much. For them a Toyota is perfect. It's looks are bland, so they don't have to think about it. It is reliable so they don't have to think about it. It's not a good performer, so they don't press it's limits and get involved in actually driving, so no need to think about it then, either. No one else will admire it, so no need to talk about it. It inspires no emotion at all. It merely exists."





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steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 5:18:32 PM
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Sorry should read.... AutoSavant

http://www.autosavant.net/2008/07/has-toyota-lost-plot-in-europe.html

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steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 5:40:16 PM
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Toyota/Lexus best selling market in Europe ? Russia ! Yes the Russians love Toyota/Lexus, they were the number 1 European market with total sales for both brands of 157,000 vehicles for 2007. The biggest growth market in Europe was.....Ukraine up over 100%.

Old money goes after established brands with history, character and style and new money goes.... yes you guessed.

Lexus and Toyota have had a field day in the US over the past 10-15 years because the domestic product was absolutely crap. Outside Japan, against serious competition they do not do so well, in fact they do not do well at all.

Toyota will have to look over their shoulders because their biggest competitors are going to be Hyundai and Kia.

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abcdabcd - 8/3/2008 4:45:23 AM
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steve27t in europe if someone want boring and bland car would rather buy vw jetta or passat which are even more bland than corolla and camry . Jeremy Clarkson described vw jetta as "the most boring car in history" :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article731958.ece

as well as passat "I must say that overall the Passat is a dreary and boring car" :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article549422.ece

Europeans don`t switched from their bland passats and jettas becouse they weren`t as unreliable as american cars so it wasn`t necessary .
Russia started to be the biggest toyota market in 2007 , before russia the biggest toyota market was germany which are now 2nd and toyota own`s 5% of german market ( second japanese surprisingly mazda own`s 3% ).


BigShow50BigShow50 - 8/2/2008 5:41:48 PM
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Well Steve27t, I see were this is going. There seems to be a trade off, Europeans I have to agree love the emotional styling of the vehicle, as for the americans loves the somewhat bland style for Toyota, but of coarse the reliability is what makes it for Toyota and the consumers in U.S. But I have to say when it comes to the European market they love the style but don't care aboout the quirks/malfunctions that happens to their rides. And knowing some master techs that have worked on big euro marks in U.S. and Europe, simply say that Euro rides sold in the european nation, can go through a list of problems day in day out without consistent complaints from the owner(like they already know or are just used to the problems to begin with or just don't care). If this were to happen in U.S. people will complain more about the inconvience or how it became a problem in such a short period time of ownership. So that is where the trade off begins, all Toyota has to do is simply show more emotion in their styling, from there it's "GAME ON!!!" Funny though even with just bland styling Toyota continues to be one of the biggest auto producing/and profit leaders to date....scary thought!!! At the end of the day "MONEY IS KING!!!" And money is what can make a company that much better, time will tell very soon for Toyota, in a good way of coarse!!!

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sectorsector - 8/2/2008 7:51:43 PM
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hahaha this is bang on... most Europeans grew up with unreliable cars like VW, Peugeot, Renault, Alfas, BMW etc. cars breaking down is the norm over there. Toyota/Honda are still to this day perceived as the "new comers" and are reluctant to jump into to one, if only they realize these vehicles are the truly wonderful vehicles.


steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 8:37:46 PM
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Auto001 - ever been to Europe? The japanese have been selling their cars in Europe at least as long as in the USA. If Toyota were the truly wonderful vehicles you say they are, maybe they would by now be selling a few more if what you say is not total BS.
As it happens you have no idea what you are taking about.

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steve27tsteve27t - 8/2/2008 8:58:54 PM
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Big Show - Auto001 I grew up in the UK, my first car was a VW Beetle, second car a Fiat 500 and third car a Citroen Diane. After this I owned several Alfa Romeos a Lancia and a couple of Fiats. You both have your heads buried in the sand, for their day, all these cars were very reliable. I cannot remember ever breaking down on the road. Don't forget Ford and GM are very big in Europe, you think they make wonderful cars for the US customer and crap cars for Europe? maybe it is the other way around. Your perception is WAY off the mark. You both need to get a life.

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