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Are You Ready For The Changing Of Guard In The Luxury Market?

If you paid attention to the sales reports over the last few months, you might remember that I penned an article last month stating, that with the current economy in dire straits, most everyone was losing steam. It may actually boil down to the big winner in 2008 may be the one who loses less sales for the year, rather than who can post the biggest gains.

As the mainstream makers all tend to slide, it is interesting to note that few smaller focused makers are actually posting gains.  These companies arguably have found their niche, and are attractive to those still buying in the market.  With that said, even looking at all of the poor sales the market appears to still have buyers, but these buyers are looking and demanding more for their money.

So take a look at the luxury market, and we still see similar sales carnage with a few notable exceptions actually being up.  Look pretty close to BMW and Lexus figures over the last few months and you notice that while BMW is back on the rise, Lexus continues to lose momentum each month.  If the current trend continues then Lexus, continual bleed off of sales will intersect with BMW's slight increases and we will have a changing of the guard.

Sometimes these shifts in power are only for a month or two, but in this case the only really new model in Lexus stable is the IS-F all other are basic refreshes. BMW on the other hand, has a freshly redesigned 3-Series, the all new X6 SAV, and the 1-Series already in the stable to bolster sales.  By all accounts these are major releases and the early sales will continue to bolster BMW’s sales.

When will this shift occur?  If the trend continues, then the math indicates we will see the changing of the guard in June sales or possibly in July.  At that time BMW should be in the better position to maintain the lead until Lexus next salvo of new models.

So are you ready for a changing of the guard?

 

 

 

 


Are You Ready For The Changing Of Guard In The Luxury Market?



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answeranswer - 5/2/2008 2:27:25 PMView My AgentSpace
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Makes sense.

Although I wonder if the same BMW fans who knock Lexus for leading sales only in the U.S. will brag if BMW takes the top spot?


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_43LE_43LE - 5/2/2008 2:33:25 PM
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When people mention that Lexus is the #1 luxury brand in the US critics always say that Americans have no taste and are brainwashed, bla bla bla. If/when BMW takes the top spot, what I am ready to hear and what I know that I'm going to hear is how smart Americans are for choosing BMW and that they have great taste and have finally seen the light. Betcha $100 bucks.


Agent009Agent009 - 5/2/2008 2:53:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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43LE- You have a good counterpoint there. The BMW boys will be bragging. The Lexus boys will be back peddling, using the exact same arguments that were leveled again them.

Guess all is fair in love and war and car sales.



ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 5/2/2008 3:53:42 PM
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The only thing is, if BMW is leading in the US, and in the world, then theres nothing to say. The figures will speak for themselves.

however, if the US market accounts for over 70% of you total sales, then it becomes a point that surviving only on one market will soon be the achilles heel.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/3/2008 4:26:06 PMView My AgentSpace
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The difference of course that BMW already leads in the WORLD. Lexus fans always brag about the US, and BMW fanboys make fun of that because "they" have the entire world. If they have both, well, yes, they'll brag about both.


_43LE_43LE - 5/5/2008 10:41:54 AM
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But BMW leads the world also because they sell a lot of high volume of lower end models that we do not get in North America.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/5/2008 12:16:15 PM
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BMW leads sales GLOBALLY.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/5/2008 12:19:26 PM
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43:

yes, BMW's volume leader is the 3-series. and guess what, it's a wonderful, best-in-class car.

lexus volume leaders are the entry-level ES (rebadged camry), IS (primarily sold as the underpowered, claustrophic IS250), and the RX (mommy mobile). and outside of the US, lexus can't even manage to sell these in significant volumes.

please explain your point.




farabira1farabira1 - 5/5/2008 8:29:49 PM
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BMW fanboys, hypocrites Number 1.


_43LE_43LE - 5/5/2008 11:29:38 PM
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Let's just say that a base model Lexus in the USA is more luxurious than a base BMW in Europe. BMW can count sales of lower end 1 and 3 series but Lexus cannot use Camry sales towards Lexus.


ghosthunterghosthunter - 5/2/2008 2:34:16 PM
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could you stop posting lexus vs BMW article (or for that matter, Japaneses vs German)? i am pretty sure everyone is sick of your illy favored comparison with the exception of EL 34.

quite frankly, I buy whatever car that services me well. and it could be a Lexus or BMW depend on my need, i might even have both.

IMO, as an agent, you are doing some pretty horrible jobs such as bashing C&D, edmunds, R&T editors whenever they favor any car more than a BMW. FYI, assuming their editors cannot afford a 30k car is extremely foolish and making your sounds like a arrogant jerk.

back to the topic, when was the last time BMW out sold Lexus? how do you explain LS' sales double the 7's sales? as far as i know, BMW wasn't posting great numbers for the past few month either (their drop less, but they dorpped), where the hell did you come up with "BMW's slight increases"?

lastly, I thought autospies is about the latest car news, car comparisons. NOT some fanbosih articles, Certainly NOT FROM A FEAKING AGENT.


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1evlaudi1evlaudi - 5/2/2008 2:47:18 PMView My AgentSpace
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Ghost.,
I completely agree with you, what a bunch of crock!!!
Let me say that BMW might take the lead, but at what price?; they already announced a write off of early $300 million due to the severe loss of value of BMW on the used car market in the US. That is what happen when you "inflate" your residuals. Combine with this the steady decline of the American economy and the climb of the Euro and you have a disaster in the making if BMW keeps going this way.
Lexus had it coming on the other way, they have been riding the wave and felt untouchable, I am surprised that Toyota did not see it coming, this is a big company known not to make that kind of mistakes.
But lately it seems they have been faltering; overstocked Tundra, Scion sales falling, and Lexus with nothing new and exciting. The new LX is a huge mistake, in the design, the price, the market. This one should have been just discontinued, period.
The hybrid line up is good but probably not enough to support the brand, the IS-F is, well, it is what it is.
And you cannot sustain a brand with no new model in sight, besides teasing people with the LF-A. But that too seems like a fail in the making, this long of teasing and the car could be old news when it comes out.

I bet people at Mercedes-Benz, and Audi as a matter of fact, are smiling right now...



Agent009Agent009 - 5/2/2008 2:55:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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ghosthunter- I was simply stating facts and objective observations. Just like when I spoke in favor of the IS-F a while back. That facts are there, and I simply connected the dots.



JRobUSCJRobUSC - 5/2/2008 4:36:23 PM
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ghost (and to a lesser extent evlaudi), that "inflated residual" issue with BMW is a byproduct of the U.S. economy going south and the dollar dropping. That doesn't only affect BMW. It's going to affect every company that builds products outside the U.S. and sells them in the U.S., and is going to affect worst of all the companies that build outside the U.S. and rely almost 100% on U.S. sales. Who does that sound like in the automotive world?

That's right, Lexus. Sure, it's going to hurt BMW. It's going to hurt Mercedes. But they both each sell another million+ cars a year outside the U.S. (three to four times what they sell here), and when they saw the market taking a downturn at the end of 2007 they shifted inventories outside the U.S. to markets that were more prosperous. Despite U.S. sales lagging, Mercedes and BMW are up globally for the year. That's called "thinking ahead". Lexus, as much as they would love to, can't do that. The vast, vast majority of their sales come from the U.S. So before you jump all over the Germans, understand that this is going to affect the Japanese brands more, who don't sell much away from our shores. And the player sitting prettiest in all this is Audi, who is a bit player here but an enormous global presence. By comparison they're hardly going to get hurt at all.

By the way, get over it with the "why does the LS outsell the 7" stuff already. It's cyclical. The 7-Series is seven years old, the new one comes out in five months. The brand spanking new and less expensive LS SHOULD outsell an outgoing seven year old car. If it didn't, Lexus would have a very big problem. We'll see what happens when the new 7-Series comes out and the Lexus is two years old. My guess is it outsells everything for a while, right up until the new A8 or S-class or whatever comes along. "Cyclical". Remember that word.



answeranswer - 5/2/2008 2:49:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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The year is currently 2008.

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Agent009Agent009 - 5/2/2008 2:57:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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evilm- Lexus has pretty much has differentiated their lineup, from Toyota.

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w209w114w209w114 - 5/2/2008 3:12:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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Agent009

With the exception of a few models** if I may add.

ex: ES, GX, LX, etc.


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pushrod27pushrod27 - 5/2/2008 8:08:00 PM
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To be honest, I've driven both Lexus and Mercedes-Benz. There is a difference.

A Benz feels expensive down to the bone. Lexus just feels expensive on the 'top layer' (silky-smooth steering and engine, attractively designed interior with soft leather and glossy wood, lots of great electronics)
But overall, a Lexus feels like luxury grafted onto a lesser car. The doors don't slam with that authoratative, bank vault-like 'thunk' like in a Benz or BMW. The doors feel too light and flimsy. The stalks for lights, turn signals, windshield wipers, and cruise control are the very same parts you would find in a Camry, or even a Corolla. The grained plastic atop the dash is no better than what can be found in a Cadillac (nothing against Lexus, more of a nod to Cadillac, and a shot at Lexus' supposedly superior interior materials.)
The steering is comfortable for the highway, but imprecise and the effort is too artificially high at low speeds. The brakes are terrible. It's true what they say about Lexus brakes.

For the record, my current collection includes a Lexus SC430 roadster, which i am comparing to a 1998 E320 that i used to drive.


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EL44EL44 - 5/3/2008 10:23:50 AMView My AgentSpace
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pushrod27:
To be honest, I've driven both Lexus and Mercedes-Benz. There is a difference.

''A Benz feels expensive down to the bone. Lexus just feels expensive on the 'top layer' (silky-smooth steering and engine, attractively designed interior with soft leather and glossy wood, lots of great electronics)''

Hey you're right. That's why the LS is much more reliable than S calss. Open your eyes and stope to be such fanatic.
I've also tried both of them few times and felt exactly oposite that what you say.


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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/4/2008 9:13:58 AM
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MB is such a "stellar" luxury brand, that of all the models road tested, CR recommends ZERO PERCENT. at least of toylex models, more than 80% get recommended.

to clarify, MBs do score well on the road tests. but they FAIL on the recommend/not recommend evaluations on the basis of poor reliability.

where they get beat by not only lexus, but by TOYOTA AS WELL. and the same holds true with TOYOTA vs. BMW, and TOYOTA vs. Audi.

people who DON'T WANT to be on a first name basis with their service writer or mechanic will choose a "rebadged toyota" or EVEN a "genuine toyota" over any of the overrated, overpriced german trio.



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EL34EL34 - 5/2/2008 2:52:11 PM
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People need to remember and pull their heads out of the sand that Lexus is primarily a rebagement of Toyota parts and whatnot :-\

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1evlaudi1evlaudi - 5/2/2008 3:10:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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well I think people are starting to see this, if "a" vehicle is sold in other part of the World, or was sold in other part of the world as the same vehicle but with a different badge, then it is what it is, " rebadge car.
Lexus RX= Toyota Harrier
Lexus ES = Toyota Camry
Lexus LX = Toyota Land Cruiser.

But here is a thought, Americans went for it through heavy marketing, but also because they are use to rebadging with the big 3.
So the American consumer is ok with seeing a Dodge Caravan and a Chrysler Town&country being exactly the same besides the badges.

BUT, that was then, I think the consumer now wants more original products, and even the big 3 are realizing this, especially GM.

The other thing that is hurting Lexus right now is the economy in the US, "new money" or "fake riches" will get a Lexus because they see it as a status symbol, but when things go bad , those people go back to buying Toyotas and Honda and such.
On the other hand, people with "old money", and wealth Vs. income are staying with what they know when it comes to luxury vehicle, mainly BMW, Benz and to a smaller extend; Audi.

Now I am not generalizing, but I am trying to give people here a snapshot of what is happening on the market right now.



Htay7500Htay7500 - 5/2/2008 6:53:55 PM
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"People need to remember and pull their heads out of the sand that Lexus is primarily a rebagement of Toyota parts and whatnot :-\"


you also need to remember that the escalade is a gussied-up tahoe/suburban.




ICONICON - 5/2/2008 3:26:46 PM
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As I stated several months ago...the majority of Lexus sales are comprised of two vehicles (I believe it is over 56% for '07) the RX and the ES.

We all know the SUV market segment is suffering, explaining a large part of the drop for the RX.

And despite the protestations of Lexus Fanboys , the ES is a rebadged Toyota that appeals to a much older audience where there are many new segment competitors and lets face it, this car fits into the 'near luxury' segment and cannot be compared to any BMW,MERC,Audi, etc. - compare it to Buick, etc.( This is why you will never see the ES succeed in Europe/Japan etc.

So put it together...with so much of Lexus sales depending on these two vehicles it is no surprise that they will be surpassed in the U.S. within the next year by BMW who is expanding their product portfolio significantly.

Look at it dispassionately if you guys can, it is just a business strategy that is going to pay off for BMW.


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autoproautopro - 5/5/2008 9:57:10 AMView My AgentSpace
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BMW sales is all 3 series and they have to use incentives to sell those.


1fstmach1fstmach - 5/2/2008 3:40:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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Lexus should be able to get a part of the market back when they get new vehicles out

ie: A coupe version of the ISX50 and a Convert.

IMO: Those 2 variants will do a lot for the Lexus Brand as a whole to compete more with BMW


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tattedtwicetattedtwice - 5/2/2008 3:45:08 PM
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Im not surprised at all toylex would drop. This is what happens when you send out a redesign every two weeks, especially when those models arent interesting or competitive enough to keep attention or sell on their own merits.

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answeranswer - 5/2/2008 4:21:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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One last time.

Look at Mercedes for example. Look at their entire European lineup. Take the bottom few models and badge them with something else.

That would be no different than what Toyota/Lexus does.

It's just a seperate branding strategy that makes them no better NOR WORSE than the other guys.

If you don't like Toyota/Lexus fine, but when BMW/Mercedes/Audi consider them competition, why don't you?


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_43LE_43LE - 5/2/2008 4:47:24 PM
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Exactly what I was thinking, isn't the 335i just a 318i with a lot more luxury feature and horsepower? Have any of you visited Europe lately?


lostsoullostsoul - 5/3/2008 1:56:11 AM
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They are Both 3 Series cars... Its not a rebadged anything.. whats your point??


_43LE_43LE - 5/5/2008 10:44:59 AM
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A platform is a platform, you can put things in it, you can take them out.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/5/2008 12:04:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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the last 2 numbers are for engine capacity reference. 3 series is the model. Thats like saying a Mustang GT is a rebadged regular mustang or the GT500 is a re-badged GT. In that case the is 350 is a re-worked is 250......NOT. of course it isn't the numbers are there to distinguishg the different engines, just like Benz, Just like everyone else with alpha numeric badging. Like the 2.7 TL amd 3.2 TL ETC.


_43LE_43LE - 5/5/2008 11:37:10 PM
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Yes and the numbers also designate trim levels and features that come standard. The higher the number, generally, the higher the amount of stuff added.


autoproautopro - 5/2/2008 4:24:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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After Lexus dominated the last seven years they backed off the incentives.Now that the market is soft their all fighting for a large piece of a smaller pie.Lexus will respond with stronger incentives and take back market share.They have so much more money than bmw its not funny.Believe me bmw would rather the ecomony booming where they can make more money than playing the incentive game with Toy/LEX.

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ICONICON - 5/2/2008 4:38:03 PM
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Incentives don't change the fact that the ES and RX are their dominant autos and appeal to a different audience than traditional Luxury/performance cars.

If you could see past your emotional derangement for Toyota/Lexus you would get the concept and the underlying business case.



_43LE_43LE - 5/2/2008 4:45:01 PM
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Exactly what I was thinking, isn't the 335i just a 318i with a lot more luxury feature and horsepower?


_43LE_43LE - 5/2/2008 4:46:36 PM
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^ that comment was mean as a response to answer's comment above.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/5/2008 12:24:47 PM
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"They have so much more money than bmw its not funny."

how do you know this about lexus? toyota has NEVER released any profitability info for lexus. they have continually refused. wonder why....perhaps because they spend so much on marketing and give away most of the profit to dealers that there's little (if anything) left for corporate.

let me know when you get these highly secretive lexus profitability numbers you're commenting on.



JUGNUJUGNU - 5/2/2008 5:05:00 PMView My AgentSpace
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Lexus should be quick with the launch of all new RX, IS Coupe and convertible models, GX replacement...etc

I also think now is the perfect time (high gas prices and therfore more demand for smaller engine varinats) to consider smaller varaints example LS350(3.5 litre V6 300BHP+), LX400(4.0 litre V6 currentley in every other Toyota SUV)...etc

JUGNU


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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/5/2008 12:07:25 PMView My AgentSpace
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That would be smart especially in the Euro market where eveyone doesn't buy the most powerful engine. They are somewhat more sensible than us when it comes to purchasing sensible and practical cars.


M35MTM35MT - 5/2/2008 5:53:48 PMView My AgentSpace
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Refreshed 3-series? When?



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0to600to60 - 5/2/2008 9:25:29 PM
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so basically BMW may hold a lead until Lexus revamps their cars. Like the dated SC, the ES, IS, and GS. Then their sales will likely rise past BMW again. I am looking for infiniti to bring out more products so they can just overtake everyone in the US. But think that will take a few years.

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1evlaudi1evlaudi - 5/2/2008 10:35:43 PMView My AgentSpace
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you must be kidding right, about the Infiniti part, they just massacred the FX, the EX is on par with the X6, the G's are the only decent offering they have and the VQ engine, while powerful is still a bit rough on the edges. The GT-R should have been sold as an Infiniti, but since they really exist as Infiniti mainly in the US, that would have been double badging for the rest of the world. On the other hand the G35 is a Nissan Skyline (?) in the JDM, so go figure !

Infiniti like Acura have long ways to go, they need a full size luxury sedan than can compete with LS, S-class and the likes, and that cost a ton of money in R&D and then marketing, right now the US market could not sustain such proposition, until better days Infiniti and Acura are left in the Tier 2.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/3/2008 4:33:01 PMView My AgentSpace
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0to60, I have to disagree.

That might've been the case a few years ago, but BMW seems to be an unstoppable sales machine. They are the best-selling luxury brand in the world, but they also consistently make big % gains in sales and profits annually. Obviously, there are exceptions, but generally that has been the case. Lexus fluctuates much more. Don't expect them to "automatically" retain the #1 spot. They will have to really push.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/3/2008 4:35:52 PMView My AgentSpace
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"the EX is on par with the X6"

???

The EX is literally a G35 hatchback, but with less space than the sedan. It's nowhere near as large as the X6, much less in its price class. Its rear seat actually boasts less legroom than the G37 coupe's. It probably weighs more than 1000lbs less than the X6, but that doesn't stop it from getting bad gas mileage either.



0to600to60 - 5/5/2008 9:31:37 AM
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I said it would be a few years meaning 3 or more and they would have to bring out a larger lineup. READ!!!


autoproautopro - 5/5/2008 9:54:39 AMView My AgentSpace
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Infiniti will never lead.


1evlaudi1evlaudi - 5/2/2008 10:46:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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JrobUSC

Just read your post, and you are right on many points, and I think that the situation on "inflated" residual was why BMW was selling so many cars, everyday I see prospects telling me they really wanted the A6 or the A8, or the A5 but the payment were too high and they went for their second choice, a BMW or a Lexus as a matter of fact. Now if Lexus and BMW have to cut down on the incentives and readjust their residual values to something more on par with what we have at Audi, there is no doubt in my mind that Audi sales will literally explode. So yes I see Audi sitting really pretty. we have the product or it's coming, if we compete on price, we win.
Many Audi "salesmen" have been complaining about poor residual on Audis for years, but I guess Audi was right all along. The fact that they posted a huge operating profit increase in the first quarter while others were down is a demonstration of Audi vision of the market.

And you have a really strong point about Lexus not being able to divert his inventory/production, and they will hurt more than anybody.
Does that make me joyous, no because people will suffer from it.
Does that make me smile that consumers might finally realize that a Lexus IS a rebadged Toyota created out of smoke and mirrors for the USA, yes.



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david999david999 - 5/3/2008 4:56:37 PM
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Remember, many people know Audi's are re-badged VWs.



mplsmpls - 5/3/2008 3:32:07 PM
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The OLD IS was a rebadged Toyota the new one sure is not !

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autoproautopro - 5/8/2008 4:13:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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New IS is based on the GS platform.


chewychewy - 5/3/2008 5:45:11 PMView My AgentSpace
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Lexus is taking too long with a new RX considering it's their most important product.

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1evlaudi1evlaudi - 5/3/2008 6:52:13 PMView My AgentSpace
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S4,

I meant the EX is on par with the X6 as far as being, to say the least, weird in design. Or for sure not to my taste...


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VISOVISO - 5/3/2008 11:02:59 PM
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...and david999, you get the award for the biggest bonehead!

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david999david999 - 5/3/2008 11:31:01 PM
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Sorry Audi fanboy (VISO), didn't mean to
hurt your feelings.



EL44EL44 - 5/5/2008 8:27:05 AMView My AgentSpace
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t'ageule s.t.p. Just close your moth and everything will be better.

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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/5/2008 12:17:35 PMView My AgentSpace
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Not all of them. Look at how many other companies badge engineer their cars. Cadillac Escalade=Chevy Tahoe/GMC yukon, Lincoln Navigator=Ford Expedition. Chrysler Aspen=Dodge Durango, Infinity qx56=Nissan armada. Lexus LX570=Toyota land cruiser. Lexus GX470=Toyota 4 runner although it has much more unique styling that sets it apart from the 4 runner as does the RX from the highlander. Now as far as the Lx570, identical to the 4 runner. The 1st ES was the Toyota Windham, which was based on the Camry. Seems like Germans are the only ones that don't. We know Audi is built around VW chassis but they are very seperated. Bottom line they all appeal to their own audience, and you can't compare the es to the 3/5, c/e or a4/6. this car is more of a competitor to the buick la crosse. it's FWD. Thats like trying to compare the Cadillac DTS (deville) to a 7 series/s class/a8. No comparison.

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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/5/2008 12:18:49 PMView My AgentSpace
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I meant LX 570 identical to land cruiser, not 4 runner

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/5/2008 12:15:41 PM
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changing of the guard? huh?

lexus has never outsold BMW in cars. in fact, the 3-series remains the best selling luxury car in the US with over 140,000 units a year. and BMW as a brand remains the highest volume of luxury cars.

add to that the fact that the majority of lexus vehicles are just rebadged toyotas and there's nothing much left.

lexus #1 is just a sad sales and marketing tool that, apparently, nitwits fall for.


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EL44EL44 - 5/5/2008 1:13:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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You love to feel it ya?


auto001auto001 - 5/5/2008 3:46:05 PM
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looks like BMW marketing drones have succeeded in programming you though...


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/5/2008 10:00:16 PM
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not sure what you mean guys? BMW passenger cars have always outsold lexus cars. the 3-series ALONE sold more than 140,000 units in the US last year.


SteveLSteveL - 5/5/2008 6:04:34 PM
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I am sure that 009 is just stating facts and facts are always way better than hearsay but I also am tired of hearing about BMW and Lexus. Yes they are great cars and i would love to own one especialy a Beemer but just because there are facts out there does not mean you constantly have to bring them up. Plus this is just boring info. For now.

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