Audi A5 with new 2.7L TDI faster and gets better mileage than the Camry hybrid?

just sad that we can't get these diesels here.
soon hopefully...

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:25:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

not to mention that's it's beautiful unlike the camry.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:26:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Plus it only has 2 doors.

— Brembo (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:29:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Why even bother comparing it to anything from Toyota? To amuse your small brains for the rest of the day? Or was it to start a war? HMmm...I wonder what will happen next...

— Will_ (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:30:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Make it clean enough first.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:32:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

Audi is a much nicer car, of course. It is supposed to be so, it is a luxury car, the Camry is not. I would drive the Audi any day over the Camry.

However, according to the article, the Audi is PREDICTED (not tested) at 6.7L/100km, the Camry is now rated at newly revised 6.9L/100km, and probably pollutes much less.

— cynic (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:40:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Again shows the stupidity of Autospies editors comparing Apple and Oranges just to incite a flame war and keep on repeating the same old crap again - Hybrid vs Diesel. Edmunds tested the Camry hybrid at 44.5mpg in the city, which is the strength of the Hybrid. Diesel have great highway because they run very efficiently. Once again both techs have their merits but diesel are a great disadvantage in the US because of higher pricings and less pumps = more wait time and less availability.

— nyoneway (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 3:49:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Sport, you can quote as many sources as you want claiming the "hybrid hype" is over, but month after month, sales continue to rise.

Maybe the with a (finally) clean diesel will temporarily and barely best a larger, heavier, 4 door, mid-sized sedan. But this is only Gen 2 of the hybrid powertrain. It's taken a century to have diesels finaly be able to combine power, eficiency and cleanliness. And it's still not even available yet.

So go ahead, just keep waiting for these clean, powerful diesels. Nothing wrong with waiting another year or two, you've already waited 100 years. In the meantime, I'll wait for gen 3 hybrid synergy drive, which should be out around the same time.

— 1970toyotamarc (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 4:16:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

toyotamarc, I'm not even going to begin. You are hopelessly biased and your logic is flawed. I would have no trouble going through the "sales-don't-make-the-car-better" argument, but I just don't feel like it, it's so drawn-out.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 8/8/2007 1:22:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

We need more stories without "?"s in the titles.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 4:12:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Mercedes Benz will be making a diesel hybrid by at least 2010, perhaps 2009.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 5:53:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Just to say, the Passat 2.0 tdi 170 hp gets over 38 US combined, and 45 mpg on the highway, and does 0-60 in about 8.4 (0-62 in 8.6).
It has CO2 emissions of 160g/km, probably about the same as the Camry Hybrid.

If you really want economy you can get a 1.9 tdi with 105 hp, gets 50 mpg on the highway and 42 combined, but is rather slow (0-60 in 11.9). Co2 emissions are 148g/km, which is excellent.

Class leader is the BMW 320d with 160 hp, 0-60 in 8.1, and 42 combined, and 51 on the highway. Co2 emissions of 153g/km.

The Camry hybrid has been beaten for rather a long time.

This 2.7 tdi engine in the A5 is old, and not as advance as newer ones. The Passat 2.0 tdi is only down 20 hp on it despite the smaller capacity.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 6:04:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

The ugly Audi A5 should be compared to the Toyota Solara. The Toyota Solara owns the Audi in everything too. And the Camry is one of the cleanest and most stylistically attractive and groundbreaking designs out there in my opinion. The Audi A5 is bland as hell.

— david989 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/6/2007 6:39:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

When you have driven a diesel, there isn't anything better, and the fuel consumption is awesome.

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/7/2007 7:27:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

These 2 vehicles are not in the same class, so a comparison test between them is not justified.

— david999 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/7/2007 8:10:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Diesels rule. They are all over europe, that's for sure. Amazing fuel economy, good performance, and way cheaper than hybrids. Given the choice of the two, I can't see why anyone whould choose a hybrid. Especially since most hybrids are predicted to have lives of 100k miles vs at least twice that for diesels.

— supermoto (View Profile)

Posted on 8/7/2007 12:18:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I would be embarrassed if it wasn't as quick as the Camry hybrid. That's not actually the performance benchmark, is it?

However, my pick of the A5 bunch would be the 3.0TDI. Packs extra grunt without sacrificing much in terms of efficiency.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 8/8/2007 1:20:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Many want to make comments about diesels being dirty, but the only category in which diesels now trail is NOx. Diesel tech. reduced PM by 90% in just one year, coming on par with gassers in a hurry!

Diesels naturally emit less CO, total HCs, and virtually no VOCs; so--no--they're not too dirty; just dirty to our anti-diesel-biased EPA who developed regulations based on the capabilities and the incapabilities of the gas-powered engines, and this explains why the limit on CO has not been reduced since 1989. Diesels could come in way below the limit on CO, but are having touble reducing NOx, 90% in just four years, which is the requirement of our EPA.

— gregsfc (View Profile)

Posted on 8/9/2007 6:41:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Very nice toi, ashame it won't make it to USA.
And with 14.49 kpl nice range on a tank.

— gem069 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/12/2007 2:08:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1