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Audi RS4 defeats new BMW M3!

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Audi RS4 defeats new BMW M3!

Here is a great article written by Autoexpress Magazine that compares the AUdi RS4 to the new BMW M3. The verdict is although the BMW M3 is slower in acceleration, it proves to be a better track performer than the Audi RS4.

The RS4 wins this comparison test, however, due to its brilliant transmission, incredible handling and most importantly its easier to live with on a daily basis nature when compared to the BMW M3.

Looks like BMW didn't have a clear winner in the new M3 based on the initial reviews and this article just proves how magnificent the Audi RS4 is and how much it raised the bar in the M3/C63/RS4 segment. Read Article

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enthusiastx11 - 7/12/2007 7:19:25 PM

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the RS4 is a wonderful car. but, then so it the M3. slightly different cars as one is a coupe and one is a sedan...i'd say you have a great car either way.

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rg12345 - 7/12/2007 8:54:13 PM

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Yeap!

henbmw - 7/17/2007 9:19:48 PM

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Funny, people always cite the differences between coupes and sedans as major performance factors. The differences, however, have reduced to almost just the doors. The 335i coupe, for example, is only about 25 lbs lighter than the sedan. The difference comes down more to the car itself than the fact that is has an extra set of doors.

candywhite - 7/12/2007 7:21:06 PM

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Id be happy with either!

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SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:13:50 PM

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M3 0-60 4.9s
RS4 0-60 4.7s

335i 0-60 4.8s

Why to buy M3 over 335i? ^0^

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BMW4me4ever - 7/12/2007 8:20:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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Supra .. that is the BMW posted times in the press-release. The M3 has not been tested as of yet. The BMW 2007 3-series coupe brochuere states that the 0 - 60 time for the 335 coupe with manual should be 4.8s... I know we all can read. Wait til someone actually tests the car. Copying and pasting isnt actual testing.

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SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:27:38 PM

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No, BMW's time is 0-62mph in 4.8s. Autoexpress tested 0-60mph in 4.9s.

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rg12345 - 7/12/2007 8:55:39 PM

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The article where the RS4 loses to the 335i is just a fake. Don't get me wrong, the 335i is a great great car, but just not as good as the RS4.

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BMW4me4ever - 7/12/2007 9:03:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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Supra ... I have worked for BMW for 12 years. I have never seen a comparison test where they actually tested the car and the performance figures 0 - 60 were what BMW advertises in the brochuere. And you are telling me that, it is now. I dont buy it.

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truecarlover - 7/12/2007 10:31:39 PM

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A comparison is more than 0-60 and track times. Their are a many more aspects to a vehicle people.

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BMW_DRVR - 7/13/2007 9:51:48 AM

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This M3 is lighter and has more power than the old M3 which did 0-60 in 4.8 seconds.

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IamEvilHomer - 7/13/2007 10:27:13 AM

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if you are using C&D at your proof then that shows how much you know about cars

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chewy - 7/13/2007 2:40:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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Different tests. The RS4 has done 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. I am sure the M3 will be quicker than the 335i.

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1995e34 - 7/13/2007 6:55:51 PM

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comparing 0-60 times for awd vs rwd cars seems a bit foolish. you can dump the clutch at high rpm and go, with awd. cite acceleration times from 30-60 or something relevant. 0-60 comparisons are for those cars running on leaded gasoline.

i think this article got way more attention than it was begging for.

i like both. i much prefer the bmw for track duty. and if daily driving is so important, compare a v6 a4 and a 335i.

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Lexus - 7/12/2007 7:23:50 PM

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I'm not suprise at all, the Audi RS4 has the look, design and performance to back it up to. The new M3 is a very incredible car itself, but it only has 420 hp? Especially when you have the C63 AMG with 453 hp, Audi RS4 already had 420 hp, and up coming Lexus IS-F with 450 hp.

I actually was really suprise when BMW announce it new M3 only has 420hp. I thought it would at least have 450 hp.

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w209w114 - 7/13/2007 9:28:05 AMView My AgentSpace

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The upcoming IS-F's horsepower is in the lower 400s. Nice try

IamEvilHomer - 7/13/2007 10:28:21 AM

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damn every subject we have to hear about that vaperwear Lexus F

it will still be a lexus so i am sure it will suck

Lexus - 7/12/2007 7:26:05 PM

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But as far as from 0-60 goes, I think the new M3 will be faster than the current Audi RS4. The last M3 gen has only 333 hp and doing 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. This one has almost 100 hp more and a carbon fiber roof too, so it got be faster than 4.8s.

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SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:15:32 PM

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No, if you read the full scanned article there, M3 is slower in 0-60.

printhan - 7/12/2007 7:28:01 PM

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I wld wait till EDMUNDS.COM test da M3 or Car & Driver.

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bmwdrvr - 7/12/2007 7:31:03 PM

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So which would we choose?
Not the RS4 cabrio I’m afraid. Right engine, right number of doors, but wrong car. Too wobbly, too heavy and, at £60k compared to £50k for the M3, too expensive.

thats what CAR magazine had to say about the comparison of the New M3, and the RS4...

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bintintin - 7/12/2007 8:48:14 PM

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Actually, If we read the same article it was an RS4 convertable vs. an M3 coupe. I don't think that that was a fair comparison.

rg12345 - 7/12/2007 8:57:44 PM

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Exactly, they tested the Cabrio, which is 200kg heavier than the regular RS4 (sedan/wagon). The clearly say in the article, that the RS4 sedan would win against the M3.

bmwdrvr - 7/12/2007 9:48:28 PM

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thats bull the article saids maybe the sedan would or avant would have been more appealing, they called the convertible wobbly and heavy, and overpriced, they both are 2 doors, get over it...the rs4 lost to the 335i and the M3. and until a real test comes a in depth comparison test of the ctsv, c63, rs4 and m3 im reserving my opinion but as for now the 335i beat it and lost in this one to

bmwdrvr - 7/13/2007 7:51:37 AM

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lol these vw guys are funny it doesnt say that the sedan would have won, or they would have compared it in the first place, the vw lost so now you all have to make excuses for it losing, but if it wins there are no excuses cry babies, they make the flower vases for vw with the four rings to right....lmao

IamEvilHomer - 7/13/2007 10:31:56 AM

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bmw - the RS4 is almost at EOP and you are compairing the heavest cabrio to the M3 coupe

and revert back to the VW arguement
why don't you call the Audi a rebaged Porsche (1/3) or the Lamoo a rebaged Audi?

bmw was so last decade :)

bintintin - 7/13/2007 11:56:08 AM

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The next point is, why does everyone think that the new M3 is lighter than the previous generation? Because they mention carbon fiber? From what I have read about the M3 is that it is heavier than the outgoing model. I tend to agree especially with an adjustable suspension. I think both cars are amazing! It's shameful how people let brand bias cloud their thinking. I'm very happy the germans are bashing it out, we are the beneficiaries of it. I respect them all, all are great cars with different attributes.

gtdegamo - 7/13/2007 10:14:43 PM

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IamEvilHomer.

Because, a BMW is a rebadged Mini.

JRobUSC - 7/12/2007 7:42:24 PM

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where's the actual "test" part of the comparison test? There's no data. On the plus side, since they did say the car was a better track car and better handling, everyone who has been saying the new M3 was too soft is probably wrong. Maybe not as hard edge as the last M3 but still more than everything else in the class.

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Slims - 7/12/2007 7:53:02 PM

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All these reviews and comparisons between the M3 and other cars is driving me crazy. I some times feel no one has really tested the car yet. what the hell are they doing in spain why dont they just give us the real test results and get it over with. Everyday i see articles like this one with virtually no info.

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GTR35 - 7/12/2007 10:54:21 PMView My AgentSpace

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Dude, if I owned this website I would be in spain as well or in any other exotic place driving badass cars.

But to stay with the topic I wont believe what those side notes say until I read some credible reviews.

SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:11:48 PM

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ho ho ho... BMW boys are in a panic mode not a limp mode. Lost to the two years old heavier RS4. How is it going to battle with C63 and IS-F?

IS-F will eat a M3 for breakfast, then a RS4 for lunch and cook a C63AMG for dinner. ;)

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rg12345 - 7/12/2007 8:59:00 PM

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The m3 will definitely loose to the C63 AMG.

BMW4me4ever - 7/12/2007 8:17:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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Supra .. what are you talking about? You are still mad that the IS350 has lost every comparo to the BMW 335 arent you? Now you are bringing that stupid kit car IS-F into the equation. What in gods green earth makes you think that the IS-F will be able to compete at all? It cant be Toyota's recent blunders in F1 or Nascar. Hey, what happened to them. Wake me when they win a race or better yet actually cross the finish line.

I thought the magazines were saying that the ' M3' was too soft. Now they are saying it is a much better track car and more edgy. Would someone make up their mind. I am getting sea sick from all the tossing and turning with the magazines. Where are the actual numbers?

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SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:25:41 PM

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You should couple this review with those first drives impressions like light and vague steering, fading brakes, horrible mpg...

Seriously, do you still think the M3 has any chance facing the substantially more powerful and more aggressively tunned C63 and IS-F?

SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 8:33:21 PM

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Oh, also the review stated Audi's gearbox is much slicker than BMW's.

IS3andME - 7/12/2007 8:28:55 PM

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Odd how there are no numbers to back up the test. I 'll wait till there is a proper test, head to head, wih actual data before, I 'll make a comment. UK rags tend to do this sort of thing alot, they say it is faster, but give no real world data to back up the claims.

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lenkun - 7/12/2007 8:32:03 PM

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It's hard to tell now. We'll have to wait for Top Gear or Tiff to test the new M3 first and see what they have to say about it. After all, they are the experts and their test results are the most accurate, dependable, and reliable.

Right now, the M3 trying to copy the RS4 by dropping a V8 is a mistake. And all that body kit on the M3 adds a lot of weight and only makes it a RICE!

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Chip - 7/12/2007 8:52:51 PM

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The M3 hasnt been tested yet. All the BMW haters on this site can milk this for all its worth, but I can almost guarantee you that when the car is released, you'll be swallowing your tongues.

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SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 9:00:40 PM

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Not released? Many productions are all over Europe for sale.

But my suggestion is to buy a 335i to save you 15k if you still wants to stick with BMW badge.

BMW4me4ever - 7/12/2007 9:05:27 PMView My AgentSpace

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Supra ... the production vehicles are pre-production models. THe actual M3 has yet to be released ...

SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 9:16:30 PM

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Pre-production? See them yourself
http://www.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070710195549/image_01.jpg

rg12345 - 7/12/2007 9:23:54 PM

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Auto junk? Haha, I know the link/title has nothing to do with the car, but it's funny having the M3 at the junk yard brand new.

Chip - 7/12/2007 9:50:45 PM

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Supra

I live in a place called America, and all the cars in Europe are pre-production..

Tell me where in your photo it says : New 2008 M3 for sale to general public.

SupraNeverBack - 7/13/2007 1:53:31 PM

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If you are dreaming BMW will give more output from the engine, then you are in daydreaming.

The damn thing already got Low-Teens UK mpg in European tests.

SupraNeverBack - 7/12/2007 9:02:19 PM

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Not released? The production cars are all over the Europe for sale.

But my suggestion is to buy a 335i to save you 10~15k if you still want to stick with BMW badge.

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M316 - 7/12/2007 9:50:02 PM

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I have serious doubts that the RS4 could keep up with an M3 in either straights or corners.

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rg12345 - 7/12/2007 10:11:07 PM

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Too bad, the RS4 was (very) able to keep up with the M5, you think the M3 is that much faster? Read edmunds, RS4 against the M5, no trouble keeping up although the M5 is by numbers a little faster. RS4 won.

johnct - 7/12/2007 10:23:02 PM

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Who cares. The Lexus IS-F is going to smoke them both.

disclaimer: the oppinion expressed above is ridiculous and was only made to pacify foolish Lexus fanboys here.

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johnct - 7/12/2007 10:23:09 PM

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Who cares. The Lexus IS-F is going to smoke them both.

disclaimer: the oppinion expressed above is ridiculous and was only made to pacify foolish Lexus fanboys here.

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truecarlover - 7/12/2007 10:38:33 PM

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As an M3 fan I'll say it - the new M3 did not come with a big enough counter-punch to the RS4. Horsepower, test times are only part of the equation. There are a lot of intangibles. The RS4 has had them all for the past three years. The new M3 needed to take that punch and come back with a new combination. The M3 is a great fighter - but when you lose your title - you have to come back with a knockout - you can't let the fight go to the judges. It loses by split decision after 12 rounds.

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JRobUSC - 7/14/2007 11:04:32 AM

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Hmmm...

M3 Sedan base $59k (est)
M3 Coupe base $62k (est)
RS4 Sedan base $67k
RS5 Coupe base $70k+ (est)

Since BMW's 3-series sedans typically have a slight performance edge over their coupes, the new M3 sedan should perform slightly better than the M3 Coupe that already performs slightly better than the RS4 sedan. And for $8k less. I'm sure the RS5 will be a great car but comparisons of the S5 and 335i Coupe have all favored the 335i because it handles so much better and it's priced so much lower. I wouldn't expect that to change with the RS5 versus the M3 Coupe, which again will probably be around $8k less expensive, possibly more.

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minimalist - 7/12/2007 11:25:43 PM

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minimalist - 7/6/2007 6:32:50 PM-1 Boost

it looks like the m3 will be going the same path as the m5 with astounding numbers but so technically inclined that it will turn off a lot of its fans.

no one can argue that the m5 was a technological masterpiece yet no one can also doubt that it isnt doing great at all in sales when compared to the audi and especially amg e-class that are a dime a dozen on the streets.
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did i call it or did i call it?

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ctski1 - 7/13/2007 11:49:40 AM

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tick, tick, tick.....here comes the 135i

528i - 7/12/2007 11:28:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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IT looks like Audi is going be BMW of the future.

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jacques - 7/13/2007 1:45:00 AM

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I can just see the various tests by diffirent mag's over the next couple of months, m3, rs4 and c62, most likely not one magazine will have the same result, some will have the m3 first the other stone last. In the end it will come down to personal preference / prejudice.

This article seems a little contradicting, first it states that the rs4 can simply not match the m3 on track and therafter that the rs4 is easier to live with? What is the point of buying a vehicle like this, i would have thought the ultimate performance would be the deciding factor? again that's my subjective opinion!

Point being you will not convince an rs4 owner to buy an m3 and vice versa!

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Agent63 - 7/13/2007 2:53:08 AMView My AgentSpace

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First of all you guys arguing over nothing. Just because they compare it. Don't forget they are two types of vehicles. Straight line power can only go so far. My favorite brand Merc has all the power in the world but their handling is not as nimble as BMW. Though the AMG's have gotten way better in the past years they still aren't a drivers car like a BMW is. Luxury hands down Mercedes.

Audi has the advantage of quattro and their great engines. BMW has their great dynamics and overall feel of a luxurious-sport ride. However like some of you said, both of these cars are fast and can't go wrong with any of them. Just keep one thing in mind. It all depends on the driver and how well he is doing that day. It's hard to justify what time is truly correct. On that note, BMW has underestimated their 0-60 times and they're usually quicker than what they advertise. As well in different magazines their test drivers have different capabilities so the numbers can vary.

What I say is to test drive it yourself and if it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand then maybe that could be a choice of car. These race-sport tuned cars really have technically sound. Engineering is brilliant. City driving you probably won't notice the difference anyways. Most of these consumers drive in the city not on a track.

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xj13 - 7/13/2007 3:22:18 AM

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I agree boths cars a pure class, something lexus/camary will never ever have.

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Will_ - 7/13/2007 6:59:30 AM

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Rejoice in the great German automobiles. The RS4 and M3 we worship thee. Lexus = POS. Now, let us drink our magic Kool Aid...

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bmwpowerf1 - 7/13/2007 7:23:11 AM

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i dont know why people hate and bag the M3 so much. bmw are the experts in making sport cars, and i doubt anyone can match them. amg, rs and is-f have copied M division.
nothing can handle like a bmw, and there engines, really, the international engine awards really tells it all.

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bmwpowerf1 - 7/13/2007 7:28:30 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW4yuOu7BkM

and the m3 is meant to be compared to the S4 and the RS4 against the csl

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jmrA480 - 7/18/2007 2:04:02 AM

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the RS4 is not meant to compete against the CSL. Please stop bringing this up. The "OLD" CSL cost around 20k+ more then the RS4, and is a stripped down version of the M3, the RS4 is not stripped down from anything.

IS3andME - 7/13/2007 7:30:57 AM

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Well, if the M3 does fall, it is only the beginning, Alfa Romeo was the "BMW" of it's day, until BMW came with the 2002tii and the subsequent 3 series, sqaushing Alfa's GTV and Guiletta coupes. SO it stands to reason that Audi would catch up to BMW... As it has been said, "one can't be King of the Hill Forever"

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ThierryHenry14 - 7/13/2007 8:00:28 AM

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So stupid. So a car is all about 0-60?

Besides, its an article using Mfr's estimates, which means everyday driving, specs, not track specs.

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AutoUnion - 7/13/2007 9:31:24 AM

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Thing is, both Audi and BMW are currently pushing for sales. Audi is doing it by building a new sporty image and BMW is doing it by resting on theirs.
I think BMW slipped up and they realized this early on and now are shooting back with the details of an upcoming CLS.

PS. The new M3 is available through Europe!

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amazinBimmer - 7/13/2007 10:11:26 AM

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german nut. get the real job. get eh m3.. get out o that jeep you drive!

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M53R - 7/13/2007 12:39:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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"The verdict is although the BMW M3 is slower in acceleration, it proves to be a better track performer than the Audi RS4.

The RS4 wins this comparison test, however, due to its brilliant transmission, incredible handling and most importantly its easier to live with on a daily basis nature when compared to the BMW M3."

The transmission problem can be solved, BMW will offer their own DSG tanny soon I heard. But I still think this comparison is based on opinions, no real test.

MY verdict: the M3 will handle better, tie in acceleration ( depending on driver ), looks better.
Audi has a better interior, AWD, better for daily driving.

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BM3W - 7/13/2007 1:42:33 PM

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I can't help wondering what more there really is to know. The M3 is better on the limit and for track work. For those wanting a track car the M3 is the best. For those wanting and allrounder the RS4 is the best. Either way, which ever car you pick, you end up with a bloody great car - isn't that all that really matters?

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dwatson - 7/13/2007 2:48:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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Some people just don't get it. BMW never strives to be the fastest in its segment. It has to be competitive in terms of acceleration but BMW's typically have the lowest horsepower of all their rivals. The magic of BMW is the the proportions of power, acceleration, handling, traction, as well as under/oversteer. It's called the "Ultimate Driving Machine", not the "Ultimate Acceleration Machine". Take a BMW on a road like Benedict Canyon in LA and then we'll talk.

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chewy - 7/13/2007 2:50:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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Very nice.

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dwatson - 7/13/2007 2:58:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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Some people just don't get it. BMW has never really tried to win the horsepower wars. The beauty and magic of a BMW is the fact that the proportions of acceleration, handling, grip, suspension, as well as under/oversteer. Yeah, there are a lot of cars that could beat it off the line, but turn a corner and the others are in the ditch. That's why it's called "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and not the "Ultimate Acceleration Machine"

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dwatson - 7/13/2007 2:59:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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I can drive a car but can't successfully post a comment only once....Maybe I should stick to driving instead of typing.

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GermanNut - 7/13/2007 3:20:10 PM

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BMW is sliding. Nothing came close to the 335i, meanwhile this new M3 is already losing to an older Audi RS4.

BMW needs to raise th stakes like they are known for doing.

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M53R - 7/13/2007 5:01:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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Check out what C&D and MoterTrend are saying...

Slims - 7/13/2007 9:21:35 PM

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Exactly i quote C&D "Dropping the hammer from a standstill, we blasted to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, 0.4 second quicker than the previous car, with the quarter-mile dispatched in 12.9 seconds at 111 mph, an even larger, 0.7-second gain. The surface wasn’t ideal, however, and we expect even better numbers once we get one to our usual test track. Even so, that’s already enough to outrun the $69,785 Audi RS 4." And may i point out that they say with better surface it would have better times! according to this M3 is still king!

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jmrA480 - 7/18/2007 2:00:29 AM

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The RS4 has had runs as low as 4.3 to 60, so Whats your point, and when did Straight line acc. become the most important factor to say the M3 is still king.

gsh23 - 7/14/2007 4:03:33 AM

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you know there is a company called porsche. i would wager that even a regular carrera can best the M3 on a track, all else being equal.

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M53R - 7/14/2007 11:34:02 AMView My AgentSpace

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Until the CSL comes out ^

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GermanNut - 7/14/2007 4:12:34 PM

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Yes, and Porsche has a car that is very similar to the BMW M3 CSL in terms of being a stripped down, hard-edged, no-nonsense racer. It's called the 911 GT3 or if you want to take the 911 GT3 RS or 911 GT2 and the BMW M3 CSL, yes, even the new one with V8 will be reduced to a spectacle that simply isn't as track savvy as the best 911 track offerings from Porsche.

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bmwpowerf1 - 7/15/2007 7:54:55 AM

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the m3csl lap the nurburgring in 7.50. it beat the 996 gt3 and had the same time as the turbo. but it lost to the 997s by 4 seconds. ontop of that, the e46 m3csl was almost 30 seconds faster then the regular m3 on the ring. i wonder what the next gen csl will do. not saying it will be 30 secs quicker, but its gona be fast. and maybe even faster then the 997s porsches

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GermanNut - 7/15/2007 11:06:41 AM

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Faster than a 911 GT3 around the track....your stretching that one, faster than a 997 GT2???? Keep dreaming. With 507 horsepower and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds the M3 CSL even has no chance at all against the king of 997 911s.

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amazinBimmer - 7/15/2007 11:53:14 AM

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which idiot wrote this article.. the current rs4 coudnt even beat the old m3..the rs4 should do well to stay in its box and compete with the lexus and infinitis