Audi RS4 defeats new BMW M3!

the RS4 is a wonderful car. but, then so it the M3. slightly different cars as one is a coupe and one is a sedan...i'd say you have a great car either way.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:19:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10   

Id be happy with either!

— candywhite (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:21:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

M3 0-60 4.9s
RS4 0-60 4.7s

335i 0-60 4.8s

Why to buy M3 over 335i? ^0^

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:13:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Supra .. that is the BMW posted times in the press-release. The M3 has not been tested as of yet. The BMW 2007 3-series coupe brochuere states that the 0 - 60 time for the 335 coupe with manual should be 4.8s... I know we all can read. Wait til someone actually tests the car. Copying and pasting isnt actual testing.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:20:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

No, BMW's time is 0-62mph in 4.8s. Autoexpress tested 0-60mph in 4.9s.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:27:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The article where the RS4 loses to the 335i is just a fake. Don't get me wrong, the 335i is a great great car, but just not as good as the RS4.

— rg12345 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:55:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Supra ... I have worked for BMW for 12 years. I have never seen a comparison test where they actually tested the car and the performance figures 0 - 60 were what BMW advertises in the brochuere. And you are telling me that, it is now. I dont buy it.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 9:03:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

A comparison is more than 0-60 and track times. Their are a many more aspects to a vehicle people.

— truecarlover (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 10:31:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

This M3 is lighter and has more power than the old M3 which did 0-60 in 4.8 seconds.

— BMW_DRVR (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 9:51:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

if you are using C&D at your proof then that shows how much you know about cars

— IamEvilHomer (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 10:27:13 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Different tests. The RS4 has done 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. I am sure the M3 will be quicker than the 335i.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:40:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

comparing 0-60 times for awd vs rwd cars seems a bit foolish. you can dump the clutch at high rpm and go, with awd. cite acceleration times from 30-60 or something relevant. 0-60 comparisons are for those cars running on leaded gasoline.

i think this article got way more attention than it was begging for.

i like both. i much prefer the bmw for track duty. and if daily driving is so important, compare a v6 a4 and a 335i.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 6:55:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I'm not suprise at all, the Audi RS4 has the look, design and performance to back it up to. The new M3 is a very incredible car itself, but it only has 420 hp? Especially when you have the C63 AMG with 453 hp, Audi RS4 already had 420 hp, and up coming Lexus IS-F with 450 hp.

I actually was really suprise when BMW announce it new M3 only has 420hp. I thought it would at least have 450 hp.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:23:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

But as far as from 0-60 goes, I think the new M3 will be faster than the current Audi RS4. The last M3 gen has only 333 hp and doing 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. This one has almost 100 hp more and a carbon fiber roof too, so it got be faster than 4.8s.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:26:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I wld wait till EDMUNDS.COM test da M3 or Car & Driver.

— printhan (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:28:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

So which would we choose?
Not the RS4 cabrio I’m afraid. Right engine, right number of doors, but wrong car. Too wobbly, too heavy and, at £60k compared to £50k for the M3, too expensive.


thats what CAR magazine had to say about the comparison of the New M3, and the RS4...

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:31:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

where's the actual "test" part of the comparison test? There's no data. On the plus side, since they did say the car was a better track car and better handling, everyone who has been saying the new M3 was too soft is probably wrong. Maybe not as hard edge as the last M3 but still more than everything else in the class.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:42:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

All these reviews and comparisons between the M3 and other cars is driving me crazy. I some times feel no one has really tested the car yet. what the hell are they doing in spain why dont they just give us the real test results and get it over with. Everyday i see articles like this one with virtually no info.

— Slims (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 7:53:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

ho ho ho... BMW boys are in a panic mode not a limp mode. Lost to the two years old heavier RS4. How is it going to battle with C63 and IS-F?

IS-F will eat a M3 for breakfast, then a RS4 for lunch and cook a C63AMG for dinner. ;)

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:11:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Supra .. what are you talking about? You are still mad that the IS350 has lost every comparo to the BMW 335 arent you? Now you are bringing that stupid kit car IS-F into the equation. What in gods green earth makes you think that the IS-F will be able to compete at all? It cant be Toyota's recent blunders in F1 or Nascar. Hey, what happened to them. Wake me when they win a race or better yet actually cross the finish line.

I thought the magazines were saying that the ' M3' was too soft. Now they are saying it is a much better track car and more edgy. Would someone make up their mind. I am getting sea sick from all the tossing and turning with the magazines. Where are the actual numbers?

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:17:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

It's hard to tell now. We'll have to wait for Top Gear or Tiff to test the new M3 first and see what they have to say about it. After all, they are the experts and their test results are the most accurate, dependable, and reliable.

Right now, the M3 trying to copy the RS4 by dropping a V8 is a mistake. And all that body kit on the M3 adds a lot of weight and only makes it a RICE!

— lenkun (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:32:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The M3 hasnt been tested yet. All the BMW haters on this site can milk this for all its worth, but I can almost guarantee you that when the car is released, you'll be swallowing your tongues.

— Chip (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 8:52:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Not released? The production cars are all over the Europe for sale.

But my suggestion is to buy a 335i to save you 10~15k if you still want to stick with BMW badge.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 9:02:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I have serious doubts that the RS4 could keep up with an M3 in either straights or corners.

— M316 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 9:50:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Who cares. The Lexus IS-F is going to smoke them both.

disclaimer: the oppinion expressed above is ridiculous and was only made to pacify foolish Lexus fanboys here.

— johnct (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 10:23:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Who cares. The Lexus IS-F is going to smoke them both.

disclaimer: the oppinion expressed above is ridiculous and was only made to pacify foolish Lexus fanboys here.

— johnct (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 10:23:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

As an M3 fan I'll say it - the new M3 did not come with a big enough counter-punch to the RS4. Horsepower, test times are only part of the equation. There are a lot of intangibles. The RS4 has had them all for the past three years. The new M3 needed to take that punch and come back with a new combination. The M3 is a great fighter - but when you lose your title - you have to come back with a knockout - you can't let the fight go to the judges. It loses by split decision after 12 rounds.

— truecarlover (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 10:38:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Hmmm...

M3 Sedan base $59k (est)
M3 Coupe base $62k (est)
RS4 Sedan base $67k
RS5 Coupe base $70k+ (est)

Since BMW's 3-series sedans typically have a slight performance edge over their coupes, the new M3 sedan should perform slightly better than the M3 Coupe that already performs slightly better than the RS4 sedan. And for $8k less. I'm sure the RS5 will be a great car but comparisons of the S5 and 335i Coupe have all favored the 335i because it handles so much better and it's priced so much lower. I wouldn't expect that to change with the RS5 versus the M3 Coupe, which again will probably be around $8k less expensive, possibly more.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 7/14/2007 11:04:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

minimalist - 7/6/2007 6:32:50 PM-1 Boost

it looks like the m3 will be going the same path as the m5 with astounding numbers but so technically inclined that it will turn off a lot of its fans.

no one can argue that the m5 was a technological masterpiece yet no one can also doubt that it isnt doing great at all in sales when compared to the audi and especially amg e-class that are a dime a dozen on the streets.
/////

did i call it or did i call it?

— minimalist (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 11:25:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

IT looks like Audi is going be BMW of the future.

— 528i (View Profile)

Posted on 7/12/2007 11:28:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I can just see the various tests by diffirent mag's over the next couple of months, m3, rs4 and c62, most likely not one magazine will have the same result, some will have the m3 first the other stone last. In the end it will come down to personal preference / prejudice.

This article seems a little contradicting, first it states that the rs4 can simply not match the m3 on track and therafter that the rs4 is easier to live with? What is the point of buying a vehicle like this, i would have thought the ultimate performance would be the deciding factor? again that's my subjective opinion!

Point being you will not convince an rs4 owner to buy an m3 and vice versa!

— jacques (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 1:45:00 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

First of all you guys arguing over nothing. Just because they compare it. Don't forget they are two types of vehicles. Straight line power can only go so far. My favorite brand Merc has all the power in the world but their handling is not as nimble as BMW. Though the AMG's have gotten way better in the past years they still aren't a drivers car like a BMW is. Luxury hands down Mercedes.

Audi has the advantage of quattro and their great engines. BMW has their great dynamics and overall feel of a luxurious-sport ride. However like some of you said, both of these cars are fast and can't go wrong with any of them. Just keep one thing in mind. It all depends on the driver and how well he is doing that day. It's hard to justify what time is truly correct. On that note, BMW has underestimated their 0-60 times and they're usually quicker than what they advertise. As well in different magazines their test drivers have different capabilities so the numbers can vary.

What I say is to test drive it yourself and if it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand then maybe that could be a choice of car. These race-sport tuned cars really have technically sound. Engineering is brilliant. City driving you probably won't notice the difference anyways. Most of these consumers drive in the city not on a track.

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:53:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I agree boths cars a pure class, something lexus/camary will never ever have.

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 3:22:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Rejoice in the great German automobiles. The RS4 and M3 we worship thee. Lexus = POS. Now, let us drink our magic Kool Aid...

— Will_ (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 6:59:30 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

i dont know why people hate and bag the M3 so much. bmw are the experts in making sport cars, and i doubt anyone can match them. amg, rs and is-f have copied M division.
nothing can handle like a bmw, and there engines, really, the international engine awards really tells it all.

— bmwpowerf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 7:23:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW4yuOu7BkM

and the m3 is meant to be compared to the S4 and the RS4 against the csl

— bmwpowerf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 7:28:30 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

So stupid. So a car is all about 0-60?

Besides, its an article using Mfr's estimates, which means everyday driving, specs, not track specs.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 8:00:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Thing is, both Audi and BMW are currently pushing for sales. Audi is doing it by building a new sporty image and BMW is doing it by resting on theirs.
I think BMW slipped up and they realized this early on and now are shooting back with the details of an upcoming CLS.

PS. The new M3 is available through Europe!

— AutoUnion (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 9:31:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

"The verdict is although the BMW M3 is slower in acceleration, it proves to be a better track performer than the Audi RS4.

The RS4 wins this comparison test, however, due to its brilliant transmission, incredible handling and most importantly its easier to live with on a daily basis nature when compared to the BMW M3."

The transmission problem can be solved, BMW will offer their own DSG tanny soon I heard. But I still think this comparison is based on opinions, no real test.

MY verdict: the M3 will handle better, tie in acceleration ( depending on driver ), looks better.
Audi has a better interior, AWD, better for daily driving.

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 12:39:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I can't help wondering what more there really is to know. The M3 is better on the limit and for track work. For those wanting a track car the M3 is the best. For those wanting and allrounder the RS4 is the best. Either way, which ever car you pick, you end up with a bloody great car - isn't that all that really matters?

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 1:42:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Some people just don't get it. BMW never strives to be the fastest in its segment. It has to be competitive in terms of acceleration but BMW's typically have the lowest horsepower of all their rivals. The magic of BMW is the the proportions of power, acceleration, handling, traction, as well as under/oversteer. It's called the "Ultimate Driving Machine", not the "Ultimate Acceleration Machine". Take a BMW on a road like Benedict Canyon in LA and then we'll talk.

— dwatson (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:48:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Very nice.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:50:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Some people just don't get it. BMW has never really tried to win the horsepower wars. The beauty and magic of a BMW is the fact that the proportions of acceleration, handling, grip, suspension, as well as under/oversteer. Yeah, there are a lot of cars that could beat it off the line, but turn a corner and the others are in the ditch. That's why it's called "The Ultimate Driving Machine" and not the "Ultimate Acceleration Machine"

— dwatson (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:58:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I can drive a car but can't successfully post a comment only once....Maybe I should stick to driving instead of typing.

— dwatson (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 2:59:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

BMW is sliding. Nothing came close to the 335i, meanwhile this new M3 is already losing to an older Audi RS4.

BMW needs to raise th stakes like they are known for doing.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 3:20:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Exactly i quote C&D "Dropping the hammer from a standstill, we blasted to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, 0.4 second quicker than the previous car, with the quarter-mile dispatched in 12.9 seconds at 111 mph, an even larger, 0.7-second gain. The surface wasn’t ideal, however, and we expect even better numbers once we get one to our usual test track. Even so, that’s already enough to outrun the $69,785 Audi RS 4." And may i point out that they say with better surface it would have better times! according to this M3 is still king!

— Slims (View Profile)

Posted on 7/13/2007 9:21:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

you know there is a company called porsche. i would wager that even a regular carrera can best the M3 on a track, all else being equal.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/14/2007 4:03:33 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Until the CSL comes out ^

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 7/14/2007 11:34:02 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Yes, and Porsche has a car that is very similar to the BMW M3 CSL in terms of being a stripped down, hard-edged, no-nonsense racer. It's called the 911 GT3 or if you want to take the 911 GT3 RS or 911 GT2 and the BMW M3 CSL, yes, even the new one with V8 will be reduced to a spectacle that simply isn't as track savvy as the best 911 track offerings from Porsche.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 7/14/2007 4:12:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

the m3csl lap the nurburgring in 7.50. it beat the 996 gt3 and had the same time as the turbo. but it lost to the 997s by 4 seconds. ontop of that, the e46 m3csl was almost 30 seconds faster then the regular m3 on the ring. i wonder what the next gen csl will do. not saying it will be 30 secs quicker, but its gona be fast. and maybe even faster then the 997s porsches

— bmwpowerf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/15/2007 7:54:55 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Faster than a 911 GT3 around the track....your stretching that one, faster than a 997 GT2???? Keep dreaming. With 507 horsepower and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds the M3 CSL even has no chance at all against the king of 997 911s.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 7/15/2007 11:06:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I'm sorry amazinBimmer that you can only afford a decent line up of BMWs. Like I have told you before, it is not good to try and put down someone that has a better lineup of BMWs than you do. Speaking of my 335i, space grey on black with aluminum is what I have. The color is exclusive to the coupe and not available on the sedan. In fact, that color combination is exactly what you will see in the 3-series coupe brochure.

You know amazinBimmer your logic is so flawed its hilarious. The E46 M3 defeated the Audi RS4. Meanwhile the new E92 M3 with V8 lost to the RS4.

That can only mean one thing....the RS4 hasn't gotten any better, the BMW has only gotten worse. That is sad instead of really smacking the RS4 for good with this new M3, BMW serves up a car that lacks steering feel that made previous M3s such as the E46 such amazing cars.

Looks like BMW is moving backwards......

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 7/15/2007 12:24:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The current Audi RS4 beat the brand new BMW M3? that is sad...very sad my German friend. Imagine what next gen Audi RS4 will do the new M3?

So I guess the Audi RS4 will retain it crown for now until the MB C63 AMG and Lexus IS-F come out of course.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 7/16/2007 12:12:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I'm actually looking forward to the IS-F coming out, just to see what Lexus can actually do when it comes to producing a high performance saloon car. People can hate all they like but BMW invented this car genre and if it wasn't for them there wouldn't be any RS4 or IS-F. If people actually take the time to read the article they'll see that Autoexpress concludes that the M3 is a better track tool. The RS4 won because it is a better everyday car. Its up to yourself which fits your needs more, both are epic cars though and the IS-F will have to be absolutely brilliant to beat both of them in comparison tests.

— Kinger (View Profile)

Posted on 7/17/2007 5:31:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I am not a fanboy but have drivern Audi's and no equally powered audi will ever catch a BMW simply because of the weight of quattro and the inherent nose heaviness of the car. They really need to invest in rear drive platforms and a unique platform for the A6.

— M316 (View Profile)

Posted on 7/17/2007 9:34:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1