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Audi S5 defeats BMW 335i, foreshadowing the result of the RS5?
A Greek magazine 4Wheels test the BMW 335i versus the Audi S5.

The Audi S5 wins this comparison test because it is the better overall package. The Audi may lack the razor sharp handling precision of the BMW 335 and maybe .1 seconds slower to 60 mph, but it has a more ergonomic interior, a better sounding exhaust burble, very comparable acceleration and has a sexier shape, not to mention it can't be found on every street corner.

The Audi may cost over $10K more base than the 335i, but what it offers is a more striking shape, a clearly more ergonomic and luxurious interior, a louder and deeper sounding exhaust note and very comparable acceleration that can't be found on every street corner.

Could this result be foreshadowing what the RS5 will do to the M3 for the very same reasons that the RS4 has defeated the M3 for being more easy to live with on a daily basis.

The Audis may lack the surgical steering precision of the BMWs but what they offer is a more striking and aggresive exterior, a more luxurious and clearly more ergonomic interior, very comparable performance for the driving enthusiast and more exclusitivity, albeit the package from Audi comes at a steep price as Audi's RS cars have always been more expensive than their BMW M counterparts.

If Audi can create another winning combination in the RS5 it will have successfull released a trio of high-performance smash-hits in the clearly still capable RS4, the phenomenal R8 that has taken down the Porsche 911 range including the Turbo and now a double blow to the M3.

Did I mention there is an Audi RS6 debuting this fall at Frankfurt with 580 horsepower to take on the Mercedes E63 AMG and BMW M5, two cars which both have less than 520 horesepower.

Audi's Quattro GmbH division is ready to stay atop the horsepower battles with their R and RS models.

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iamdabest1iamdabest1 - 8/6/2007 9:44:15 AM
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The thing with BMW's M3 is that whether it wins or loses every single race against the c55amg, rs4-rs5 or even is-f it wont matter. The M3 is like ELVIS and will always be THE ELVIS of sports cars in that range.
even though Beatles were bigger and probably better, Elvis is always Elvis. The King.

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IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 8/6/2007 2:50:22 PM
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yes and he will always be dead like bmw's inovation


xj13xj13 - 8/6/2007 10:03:29 AM
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IS-F WTF? Not in the same class now or never buddy.

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bulldogzbulldogz - 8/6/2007 10:08:19 AM
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um, why not? It's not like the A5 is some limited edition supercar. I guess you also think that the A4/6 are light years better than what Lexus offers too? Unfortunately, neither the US market or car magazines share that sentiment.
They're just cars, relax.


bulldogzbulldogz - 8/6/2007 10:06:21 AM
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"not to mention it can't be found on every street corner."

oh, so if Audi sells through their initial allotment of A5s, you won't be able to buy one? Riiiight! The reason they're not on every corner is because there isn't as much demand as for an M3.


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budfrogS4budfrogS4 - 8/6/2007 12:54:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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It does feel more exclusive. As a S4 owner, I definitely do not see one in every corner like I do the M3's. There just aren't as many sold in the states...which is fine by me.


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/6/2007 1:14:27 PMView My AgentSpace
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bullfrog ..the main reason you dont see them on the corners is due to Audi just doesnt sell that many cars in the US. BMW outsells them 4 to 1 ...


motomoto - 8/6/2007 5:50:03 PM
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BMW4Me4ever, would you care to cite your source? Latest sales figures in North America show that Audi is selling quite well.

According to theautochannel.com, BMW has sold about 17,000 3-series coupes in the first half of 2007. Audi has not yet reported a single sale on its upcoming 2008 5-series coupes.

BMW has sold 132,479 vehicles in the first half of 2007 (72 variants on 9 platforms including Mini). Audi, on the other hand, sold 52,838 vehicles (12 variants on 7 platforms not counting the R8).

While this is only the snapshot for the first half of 2007, it looks like Audi's batting average isn't bad, and should continue to be successful as the many new Audi performance models are introduced. It is selling just under half the vehicles BMW is selling, and it currently has no coupe or mini subcompact models in its lineup, and its heavy utility wagon just became available (the 2008 5-series and the Q-series Audis are just now hitting showrooms).

Make what you will of the numbers -- it's clear to me that both BMW and Audi are managing a difficult business environment very well. To claim that one manufacturer is superior to another would only expose one's ignorance of the industry. All automakers innovate, and sales numbers don't reflect the quality, value, or performance of the vehicles. the 335i is not better than the S5, and the S5 is not superior to the 335i. Both are fine vehicles that accomplish their missions slightly differently, with subtle but important differences. A buyer can't go wrong with either one.


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/6/2007 8:16:58 PMView My AgentSpace
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moto ... BMW has sold 168,874 cars and Suv's in the US ( not including Mini ) ..per BMW's dealer net program or check out Auto spies for the latest .... Audi sold 52,838 vehicles in the US ... BMW is outselling Audi in the US at a better than 3 to 1 margin ....

In regards to models, Audi has 30 different models. BMW on the other hand has 35 different models in the US. Are you sure you were adding correctly when you figured the numbers. Apparently on the Surface Audi has within a few models that BMW has in the US, but only sell about a 1/3 the volume ... Do I need to break out the models for you? How did you come up with 72 for BMW? 12 for Audi? Audi has almost 12 in their A4 lineup of sedans and conv....


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 8/6/2007 10:26:05 AMView My AgentSpace
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For those not in the market or following it very closely. The 335 coupe which debuted last August 2006, is still on a 2 to 3 month back log at over 90% of the dealers in the US. That is an amazing statistic for a coupe in this price range.

Anyways, basically the S5 was a little quicker but with a much larger price tag. For 10k, i will add a vishnu chip and blow the doors off the S5. Lets wait and see when Car & Driver, Automobile, Road & Track, Motor Trend do their comparsions ...

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GermanNutGermanNut - 8/6/2007 10:27:54 AM
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Elvis can be Elvis and can be the best selling artist but if the Beatles are on a tear Elvis better watch out aboot his number one spot.

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Will_Will_ - 8/6/2007 10:45:46 AM
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It says here that the S5 is slower than the 335i? And Elvis was simply tacky. The Beatles emitted class everywhere they performed.

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bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/6/2007 12:55:30 PM
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lmao you mean to tell me that a car that is going to run to 60 plus grand, is better than the 335i because of styling, and exhaust sound comeon, you cant serious, those are to things that are subjective this just proves that the 335i is the better performer, car, and best car for the money, better because of sexy styling and a better exhaust sound thats cute and 10,000 more is even more hilarious so its priced against the M3, and is the 335i is the better car is what this saids to me

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IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 8/6/2007 2:53:22 PM
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it is good to hear that bmw is cheaper

go buy a lexus or a subaru if you want cheap


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/6/2007 5:45:25 PM
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that goes to show the a5 is the car thats is suppose to compete with the 335i not the s5, an a4 with the a5 engine competes with the 335i thats sad they had to use the performance model to even get to the performance of the 335i that competes with the a5. im curious to see how the a5 and 335i compare than, it has to be pretty sad lol(and still lose) , they just compared these 2 because the s5(m3 competitor) is more in line with the 335i for performance. the est price for the m3 matches this car, audis are no more expensive if not cheaper in most cases, than the BMW's they attempt to compete with


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 8/6/2007 3:40:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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"I reckon the old M3 wouldn't stand a chance unless the road was dead straight" LOL

"please someone try to fix somebody ideea from this forum who said that bmw is faster than audi on higher speeds" BMW without a doubt has always been faster at higher speeds than Audi with same power for power.

"The S5 is competing with the 335i and definitely not with the M model no matter if the price is higher. Price is only marketing policy." Really? so who was the S5 competing in the 90's? Yeah...The E36 M3!

Those guys on that RS6 post are such clowns! They seriously need to stop daydreaming! I love both Audi and BMW but facts are facts.

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610looper610looper - 8/6/2007 7:24:12 PM
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According to the linked website, the S5 was the vehicle posting the quicker numbers, not the 335i.....

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SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 8/10/2007 3:53:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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Yes, but I'd like to see them start off from a roll since S5 has AWD advantage. Honestly, this is the first case of Audi not loosing in high end with BMW. The S5 must have some seriously short gears to do that aside from having 20hp more.


MaranelloMasterMaranelloMaster - 8/6/2007 8:36:17 PM
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The S5 definitely looks better and it will annihilate the 335i once they put the DSG in it.

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LJ745LJ745 - 8/6/2007 10:09:57 PM
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What a stupid, subjective article. Obviously, the majority of the world does not agree that the Audi offers a "more striking and aggresive exterior, a more luxurious and clearly more ergonomic interior." If they did, the would be buying them. What a stupid article. Come on. BMW beats Audi on every objective test, so they turn to subjective to give it the "win."

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rg12345rg12345 - 8/7/2007 8:06:59 PM
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Go ahead and read ALL the articles about the new A5/S5. You will find that people everywhere love them, and they pretty much say the same as this article says. So just cause u don't like it doesn't mean much .. u don't like, don't buy it.


investor27investor27 - 8/7/2007 9:08:09 AM
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The reason why there are fewer Audis than BMWs is that the Audis are way, way over priced.

I like the looks of the BMW 335i more than the S5, but the S5 does have a better interior, but not $10,000 better.

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chewychewy - 8/9/2007 5:38:46 PMView My AgentSpace
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The S5 was quicker.

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alexdethieralexdethier - 8/9/2007 7:45:02 PM
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I have to say that after seing my first S5 in person, i've switched to prefer it over the 3 series.
Also, because I do go up the mountain quite a bit and often take long trips away from cities, i like the fact that the Audi has a spare tire. Having a current 3 series and after being stuck for 2 days becasue the run-flat tire that blew disintegrated and no one around had one for sale, i will never again buy a car that does not at least have a spare in the trunk.
... the audi does look very very nice in person...

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TALCOTTTALCOTT - 8/11/2007 11:21:17 AM
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Would take a BMW over a Volkswagen any day. That is the parent company of Audi isn't it? Does BMW have a parent company? Think not.

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