Audi S6 is a MAJOR dissapointment compared to BMW M5 and Benz E63 AMG

There's clearly not much standing in the way of Audi's ambition to build the world's best high-performance luxury car, as very few cars in the world can match the 2007 Audi S6's performance on the road. Unfortunately for Audi, the cars that can match and even exceed the S6's performance happen to be the BMW M5 and Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, which combine leading-edge technology with lavish creature comforts in a way the new S6 cannot yet match.

But the situation might be changing, as a new, more powerful Audi RS6 should debut at the 2007 Geneva Show. Built by Quattro GmbH (an Audi subsidiary) just like the RS4, this new RS6 will be powered by a turbocharged version of the S6's V10. We're expecting an output somewhere around 550 hp, a number that could change the game completely.

— IamEvilHomer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 2:25:10 PM | | Votes: 2   

EXACTLY! the S6 is NOT a direct competitor to these two models. It is slotted well below the E63 and M5, and the RS6 will be slotted above or equal to those two. The RS6 will be a much more suitable match, and a more practical machine with the addition of AWD. Not to mention that grand Audi elegance than MB and BMW simply cannot pull off at this point. Like its been said, stop trying to start a brand war when its obviously not a competitor.

— rconn14 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 1:47:37 PM | | Votes: -2   

Guys, who is the S6 for then? Who wants to spend $75k and not be driving a competitor to BMW and Mercedes? Who wants to be told, your car isn't as good as the RS6, you might as well have just gotten an M5 for 10k more. You can explain things all you want, but people who buy these cars don't want to buy a 2nd best car.

If the RS6 is the real car we're supposed to be focusing on, then stop bringing out S6's and then downplaying their inability to compete. You know?

I think Edmunds is as confused over the Audi S-versions as we are.

— audiot (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 1:21:46 PM | | Votes: 1   

can someone please remove this guy??
Agent001: he makes ur site look like the playground behind my house with 5 year olds arguing about the swings.

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:10:17 PM | | Votes: 3   

Bimmer u are an idiot.
U make M5 look like crap with ur comments.
S6 is just an A6 with some power in it, not a sports car regardless of what Audi an anyone else is saying.

RS will be the one to be sporty and stuff... (which 99% of people here cant handle)

Edmunds: great source btw... my grandma says fiat punto is the best car in the world--start a flame war over that!

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:08:27 PM | | Votes: 0   

it will never make it to the US
and remember I am not calling BMW crapy
you coments show off your IQ

— IamEvilHomer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 3:08:16 AM | | Votes: 3   

if u were a driver u would know 4wd is better than any rwd car... so go play gran turismo and think u r someone

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:12:00 PM | | Votes: 0   

RWD is a ton of fun.

But why am I talking to you anyway? You're an idiot!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 10:18:13 PM | | Votes: 3   

Whoops, meant AWD. But they both are.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 10:18:28 PM | | Votes: 0   

R8 is not Audi's leading car here... it is better than any BMW, but so are many other models

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:12:49 PM | | Votes: -2   

Too bad AUDI has to build a Mid engine layout, sacrificing a lot of convenience, to get to the performance that they can be proud of. And still get smoked by a Front engine, 4 seats Nissan GT-R at Nurburgring.

What a pity.

— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 2:11:12 PM | | Votes: -1   

Another notknowanything!
Audi was the first to use midengine layout, and i guess u would rather see a front engined supercar.

People why dont u read something usefull instead of these posts here

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 4:27:30 PM | | Votes: -1   

Oh, did I forget to mention another 4 seats supercar? EVO FQ400. At 1:24.8 on TopGear, it beats Lambo Gallardo at 1:25.8.

Now, are you going to tell me R8 is better and faster than Gallardo? If that's the case, AUDI will be in deep shit in terms of product planning, which I don't think they are that stupid.

Next time, learn something useful for your argument.

— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 2:10:27 AM | | Votes: 2   

Ohh yes, and u probably know that the R8 with a 4.2 (less powerfull than the gallardo) managed to lap the nurgburg ring in exactly the same time. Again no R8 with a V10 mentioned here.

So yes i am fairly confident R8 can go up against FQ400 and Gallardo, which will soon get a powerboost.

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:55:31 AM | | Votes: -1   

Wow......are your feathers all all puffed up like a pea
cock now...........The Phaeton is a wonderful car you've never had the pleasure of driving. Sales of the Phaeton and Flying Spur are great in Europe where they don't require a rolling phallic symbol, they are secure with their manhood.......LOL

— phaetonmeister (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 3:13:21 PM | | Votes: 1   

the pahaeton was a flop, but it is a good car.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 4:44:31 PM | | Votes: 4   

Audi DOMINATES MB and BMW since 2004, and it will be complete by the end of next year so go cry to ur daddy who just bought a bmw, and tell him he bought the wrong car

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 6:14:37 PM | | Votes: -1   

ok we believe you
and your other car is the Quattroporte
and the car you drive on Mondays is the Porsche Turbo

Ohh i didn't realise you were talking about Match cars

— IamEvilHomer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 3:10:40 AM | | Votes: 1   

Edmunds sucks at testing cars, the M5's best 0-60 time is 4.1 seconds Edmunds got 4.7. The suck at launching the cars, especially all wheel drive ones.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 5:22:31 PM | | Votes: 3   

i wouldnt say its a hit in europe (in the Uk they are selling them with 10000 dollars off) but i'm sure in asia it's doing well. it will be doing better in continental europe anyway, we in the UK are the most american of them all, we like our badges lots, german=best here, american=worst. thats why cadillacs don't sell well here.
oh and regards to "ou could put the 3-pointed chrome star or the Blue and White propeller on a sack of dogshit and call it Benz/BMW potpourri and the status driven Idiots would buy it!"
they did. it's called the original M class and the 316 compact.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 7:01:21 PM | | Votes: 2   

U tell em Phaetonmeister...the Phaeton is probably one of the best executed cars produced. If you guys have not had a chance to spend time in one, you should.

— Occarnut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 6:38:09 PM | | Votes: 1   

The old RS6 killed the M5, just like the RS4 has killed the M3. Undoubtedly the new M3 will be the class-leader.

But, Audi is on a roll. It would be odd to see it broken now. I just read in EVO magazine that, "Whichever way you look at the R8, it feels like the biggest threat to the 911's dominance we've seen."

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 12:22:45 AM | | Votes: 0   

M5 has the name. Old RS6 wasnt dangerous at all, but the e55 was... freaky triangle keeps lighting up

When the new RS6 come, I am putting my money on the table it will be the best sports saloon in the world

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 6:24:53 AM | | Votes: 0   

Uh, then why did all the comparison tests put the RS6 in first? They wouldn't overlook something that trivial in a PERFORMANCE SEDANS comparison test.

"The RS4 on the other hand is amazing! But it did need an additional 40 horsepower (over the old RS4) to beat the M3, but then it did so very properly, even though the M3 was seen as the Benchmark!"

Well, the entire reason it needed the extra power is because it had M3-whooping AWD! If it wa RWD, well, if it was RWD it would have a completely different driving experience, but if it was RWD it could make do with a standard 350hp V8 and beat the M3. The RS4's engine is too good to say it "needed" the extra power. Why not give it the extra power if you can? And they certainly could. Those engineers never get tired of playing with the trusty ol' 4.2L V8!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 11:48:12 AM | | Votes: -1   

uh, define all comparison tests? The old RS6 won some comp. test because it was outragiouly fast for the time, but it did lack in the handeling department. And the current A6's are based on the same basic philosophy as the old ones...so the the flaws that plaiged the last gen. will probalbly pop up once again. Though im sure it will be silly fast.
Iv also noticed that many of the auto journalists for some mags. are "seasoned" vets, and by seasoned I mean older. They are maybe going to give the most comftorable car in a comp. test the node. b/c this it whats appealing to them at that stage in there lives. for ex in one mag. the e63 got the node over the s6 and m5. I dont know how they came to that, when the topic was performance sedans.In actuality the targeted buyer for these high performance sedans are successful people in there 30s and 40s, a 50 of 60 year old wouldnt know what do to with 500+ hp.
The M5 blends handeling, power,and braking perfectly. not one is outragiouly better than the other, they are all balenced, and impressive. This blend is what makes the M5 the best, its what makes the m5 so rewarding to drive.

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 2:34:51 PM | | Votes: -2   

And I dont know why you bring up the RS4, and compare it to a BMW that is no longer in porduction.

The trusty ol 4.2 is not that great of a motor.I mean good job audi its your first 100 hp per liter NA engine. BMW's M motors are over 100hp per liter, and so smooth, but hey dont take my word for it. Google international engine of the year. BMW is the most winning engine manufacturer period, they have won more awards for there engines than any other car company 5 times over. I mean thats what 60 or whatever of the top car journalists opinions are.

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 2:48:46 PM | | Votes: 0   

Hey, okay, I'm 50 and I know how to drive a lot better than you, KID.

I also have a 4.2L V8 in my S4 and it's better than any car you've owned!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 7:06:10 PM | | Votes: -1   

The new RS6 with 580 hp will debut at next year's Geneva auto show.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 8:17:13 PM | | Votes: 1   

The 2001 s6 had 340hp the rs6 had 450 ish, the new S6 has 420hp. The 2000 rs4 had 380 and the new one has 420 thats only 40hp diff.The new Rs6 wont have 580, I know you really want it to, but it wont.A more realistic number would be 530 give or take 10hp. If you havent noticed most of the manufactures up the hp on cars at a fairly constant rate. for example 30 percent every model generation.

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 8:46:18 PM | | Votes: 2   

I see your logic, but...

"The new Rs6 wont have 580, I know you really want it to, but it wont."

How do you know the Audi engineers won't go above and beyond, putting all their effort into making this one of the most powerful production engines they've ever made? How do you know they won't surprise us all by putting in a 600HP twin-turbo V10? Anything could happen. I wouldn't use something like that to guess how much power the car will have. With its AWD heaviness, it will need the extra power to beat the M5.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 11:50:34 AM | | Votes: 0   

I dont know if they will put 600hp in the rs6.lol. Im just saying its highly unlikely.If they do, good for them,it would be something else...

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 2:11:25 PM | | Votes: 1   

we will see.

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/24/2006 9:50:30 PM | | Votes: 0   

Actually you are wrong. The slow pokes @ Edmunds needed 5.6 seconds to get the IS 350 to 60 miles per hour while it has been clocked as fast as 5.1 seconds to 60. So get it through your dense little head that Edmunds ALWAYS gets slow numbers [they are the worst with all wheel drive sport cars) for example your favorite IS 350 posted much slower times at the Edmunds web site compared to proper magazines, .6 seconds to be exact. Audi lists the S6 only .2 tenths slower than the S8 that has been clocked at 4.7 seconds 0-60 with 4.9 as the slowerst time. This would putu the S6 in 4.9-5.1 seconds range with people that actually know how to drive.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 3:59:45 AM | | Votes: 1   

Hmm... your stoplight comment reminds me of something earlier this summer...

Some fool in a 330i came up next to me while I was in the S4, obviously not knowing what he was in for. He raced his engine a bit, and I didn't bother, because it would scare the kid. And we took off! You should've seen the disappointment on his face. I was so far ahead of him that it was a little sad. He just stopped trying. 3 Series drivers never learn.

And I haven't just beaten 330i's, either. There's plenty of M3 drivers out there who don't know how to keep up with me at all. It's a shame, because it gives BMW such a horrible image.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 11:53:49 AM | | Votes: 1   

What's the pride of smoking a $12,000 cheaper, I-6, 1.2 liter smaller, RWD car? It's typical RWD will wheelspin at the start and that's why AUDI is good at start, but not much else.

Find an 14,000 cheaper AWD INFINITI G35x and you'll be smoked. How about that?

— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 2:01:08 PM | | Votes: -1   

It's not THAT in particular that I'm prideful about- I just love disappointing 3 Series drivers who think their cars are fast. They have great handling, but that doesn't mean they're fast!

And, like I said, I've smoked many M3s, too. That's something to be prideful about. M3 drivers give BMW such a yuppy image.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 10:27:07 PM | | Votes: -1   

I read the R8 articles in CAR and EVO magazines last night, both of which I bought at Borders books. This car is un-fu¢king-believable. Unbelievably gorgeous, unbelievably fast (0-125 in 14.7 seconds, if I remember correctly), unbelievably good to drive, unbelievable to own, and it's most notably an unbelievable bargain. EVO says that it's "the biggest threat to the 911's dominance we've seen," and they think that it will cost only about £4K more than a 911 C4S, base. And you know how lousily equipped Porsches are. A loaded R8 would most definietly cost less than a loaded C4S, ceramic brakes, R-Tronic and all.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 11:57:54 AM | | Votes: 0   

Germannut you are ridiculous. I feel that commenting on something you post is pointless. You have no Logic or rational reasoning behind your outlandish claims. When I read some of your comments, your maturity level really shows....and its not something to be proud of.

— cs4444 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 3:01:28 PM | | Votes: 0   

Yes, it's so damn beautiful. I have to get my hands on one, some day.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/25/2006 1:46:59 PM | | Votes: 0   

Stop with the R8 already.. RS4 can go round nurburgring a million times faster with me at the wheel compared to M5 with AmazingBimmer, trying to use a clutch (which he cant, cuz hes never driven a car before)

R8 does not have a BMW counterpart so stop bringing it up. U make it look like as if that was the only Audi.

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:08:49 AM | | Votes: 1   

seriously man u know nothing about cars. U have never even sat in a moving RS6 and ur talking BS. Yes M5 is cooler than the RS6, simply because of the name (in the same way dogshit with BMW badge in it is cooler than dogshit with Audi badge in it)

U have no idea what a purist is. Do u even know what u said?? Purist and sports sedans dont go together.

RS6 cornered way better than the CURRENT M5!!! What u read is BS, cuz i test drive cars for a living and i couldnt get the RS to understeer. But u would know better of course, since corners are a well known thing in the US..NOT!!

Please go spread ur BS somewhere else... in Germany preferably... cuz u know all about their cars (BMW; MB; AUDI)

— CarNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:04:57 AM | | Votes: 0   

It had a 480 hp Europe only RS6 plus version.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 5:10:38 PM | | Votes: -1   

"th eold m5 was 10 times more desirbale and cool than the rs6 (which they produced for 1-2 years.). the mb was even better.. torquey..."

Well, the entire REASON the RS6 was a heck of a lot cooler than the M5 wasn't because it was faster, but because it was so limited-run. People had to get them because they had a time limit. It's also one reason (among many) why the RS4 is so much better than the M3. Exclusivity is a key factor when buying a performance car. The M5 is awesome, but I think RS cars have a cooler image because they're so rare.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 7:08:18 PM | | Votes: 0   

Yes, exactly, MDalle. The old RS6 was fast but insane. Too powerful for its own good- and this makes me laugh. It had a puny five-speed Tiptronic transmission! Ha!

But, like you said, if the RS6 is anything like the RS4, it will take the performance sedan segment by storm. Now, if they would EVER COME OUT WITH IT! They are SO SLOW over at quattro GmbH!

I guess it's worth the wait, right?...

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 7:11:18 PM | | Votes: 1