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Audi's supercharged V6 develops 330hp, beats BMW's 335 turbo

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Audi's supercharged V6 develops 330hp, beats BMW's 335 turbo

While many of its rivals have adopted turbochargers in their quest to boost performance without significantly increasing fuel-consumption, Audi has decided to focus on supercharging technology for its latest V6 engine.

The new mill will displace 3.0L and output between 290 and 330p when it goes on sale in the second half of the year.

The engine will still be called a TFSI and will likely first appear in the A4 range. Read Article

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amazinBimmer - 5/26/2008 2:18:00 PM

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BJS470 - 5/26/2008 2:24:02 PM

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wow your cool

Agent63 - 5/26/2008 9:05:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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I think their comparable in other aspects if not better (eg: the interior quality). Their engines are by no means shabby.

To match BMW isn't far fetched.

chewy - 5/27/2008 2:00:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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and BMW uses Chevy transmissions

nolimt735 - 5/27/2008 8:07:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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BMW hasn't used GM Transmissions since 2000. They have since used German Manufacturer ZF for all of their transmissions.

CommonSense01 - 5/27/2008 6:33:01 PM

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Nomlin

Not true, they use different transmissions for even the same model. One example is the 328i and the 335i, one uses a Getreg and the other a ZF

jeeka715 - 5/26/2008 2:23:26 PM

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Dude, take it easy. He didn't insult your mother. I can gather that "beats BMW" was meant to say the hp rating beats the BMW's ON PAPER...we all know that is a different story when the power is put the the ground, though. Maybe Audi will underrate their supercharged 3.0L ratings like BMW is with their 3.0L Twin Turbo I6 to give the impression of better value/performance.

The BMW's engine is a total winner though, that is a given. If one were to deny that, they are in a dreamworld.

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Audiphile - 5/27/2008 2:54:10 PM

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Well said, jeeka.

And amazinBimmer, take the first sentence of his blog to heart - Dude, take it easy.

mlevere1992 - 5/26/2008 2:56:05 PM

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The problem with this statment is that it really doesn't beat the BMW turbo enging. These are just initial numbers. Heck the Infinity engine in the G37 puts out 330 hp but the BMW still wins on comparisons. Jeeka715, you are right, it is all about how the hp is put to the ground. Does anyone know what 420Nm in tourque converts into lb/ft?

Oh, and another thing, is Audi finally going to switch to rear wheel drive? Not any time soon.....

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Threepoint1415926 - 5/26/2008 4:27:57 PM

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420 Nm = 309.776 foot-lbs

dimitri_010 - 5/26/2008 3:10:56 PM

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not only are you biased, but you are retarded too.
Take a look at the MPG ratings for the Infiniti VQ engine and compare them to those by the smaller forced induction engines offered by AUDI and BMW. The purpose is to take a small engine and make it powerful. Infiniti is still goin the way of a bigger engine = more power , But that is also primitive thinking. If were gonna have any advancements in technology, i already see it coming from BMW and AUDI.

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TheSailor - 5/26/2008 5:12:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... So Taylor, what you are talking about is specific power? Well... I think you need to do your home work a little better! First of all, turbo chargers are very clever as they reuse energy which would else way have been lost... No cheating in that! And also, I think that you will find that BMW have NA engines with higher specific output than any Lexus or Infiniti engine, forced induction or not! The ultimate example of cause is the M3 CSL engine which output 360 hp... that is 112.5 HP/l displacement... But ofcause... THat is also cheating because you didn't get that in the US, right?

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85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:12:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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Fact is a turbo is more efficient. using wasted exhaust and heat force air into the engine under pressure, increasing the displacement or litres. For example the 85 745i turbo was a 3.4l but running 6psi of boost created the power that a 4.5l engine would produce hence the name 745i. the 335i is a 3.0l but with the forced induction makes the theoretical power that a 3.5l would make. the efficiency of a smaller 3.0l during normal driving and the power of a larger engine when it is needed. I gues all the toyota diesels cheat too since they have turbos.

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FactsRule - 5/26/2008 11:46:56 PM

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Attention AutoSpies Moderator!!! Another "Taylor Turd" has been deposited on your website!!!!!!

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Bored - 5/27/2008 4:26:25 AM

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PLEASE CONTINUE TO NEG MICHAELTAYLOR'S COMMENTS SO AUTOSPIES CAN GET A CLUE TO FINALLY BAN THIS MORON!

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Agent009 - 5/27/2008 9:00:40 AMView My AgentSpace

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I think everyone sees MichaelTaylor for what he is. Not the best representation of a Lexus aficionado. enough said.

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/28/2008 8:19:15 AMView My AgentSpace

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Then why don't you ban his IP???

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/26/2008 3:19:54 PMView My AgentSpace

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I can't wait to see this come to fruition. It will be interesting to see if it matches up to the N54, because that is one fabulous engine. The supercharger concept is unique. You don't see a lot of supercharged six-cylinders.

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bmwdrvr - 5/26/2008 4:04:48 PM

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yeah your right mercedes gave that up a fewer generations back.....and im not sure why the hyped title nowhere does this say it will beat a 335i......i personally would rather have seen Audi make twin turbo S4 like the first generation than use an expensive supercharger that will use more fuel than a turbo. but hey i guess they wanted to avoid looking like they are copying thing

bmwdrvr - 5/26/2008 4:05:40 PM

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which im starting to get confused about because how can you copy such common technology like turbos and superchargers there nothing new

Threepoint1415926 - 5/26/2008 4:35:28 PM

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I'm wondering where they're going with this. I personally like superchargers because of their low end grunt and immediate power delivery. However, seeing as how the M112 supercharged (ala 32 AMG) went the way of the dodo for bad noises, low top end torque and maintenance/production expense, I hope Audi has solved some of those problems or this could be a short lived motor.

chewy - 5/26/2008 5:31:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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Audi is using the supercharger because it uses less space than a twin turbo set up.

The fuel economy of the supercharged V6 will be as good as BMW offers with its twin turbo. Possibly better when you look at fuel economy from all wheel drive BMWs.

Audi did not pick a supercharger because that would be copying BMW. Audi had a twin turbo V6 in the early part of this decade. This time they compared the supercharged engine to a twin turbo and saw that the supercharger is a better option. Probably because of new supercharger technology.

85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:20:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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But a supercharger is less efficient because it takes the engines power to drive the kompressor to make boost. the more boost the more engine power is taken to turn the supercharger. parasitic drag, like having the A/C on, bogs the engine down. the plus side, less lag, althought BMW and turbo technology in general has almost eliminated lag.

85bmw745i - 5/27/2008 12:34:09 AMView My AgentSpace

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Why the deboost? Oh nevermind I'm prettysure it was michael taylor because I actually put down some facts without being predjdice to one carmaker. I like all cars. Lex, MB, BMW, Jag, Audi, Caddy, all have nice offerings and I wouldn't label any onf the POS.

993Turbo - 5/27/2008 7:03:48 AM

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Funny how these things go around. Engines that used to be turbocharged are now supercharged and vice-versa.

Yonder7 - 5/26/2008 3:56:38 PM

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Well, finaly BMW is facing the fact that turbos have a place in the high tech engineering. However, honestly I agree with "MichaelTaylor". BMW is is a nightmare performer when they try to use turbos and is a good idea to pay attention to NUMBERS. Please amazinBimmer if you do not have more than emotions then look for good arguments. Audi is getting 10% more power than BMW with an engine about the same size and is very likely that also will have more torque. Regarding turbos BMW have a lot to learn from Audi, Porsche, VW and MB. Even if that hurts you that´s the fact. I can´t belive this. Few years ago Audi was trying to catch BMW, now is the other way in several items and for that reason BMW is not testing their products as much as the should. In the same way that with trasmision problems in the M3, you´ll have to wait for the final product and not to say that is bad or outperformed by the BMW just because is a BMW, that´s stupid. Let´s see when the car is on the streets, at least for one year to judge it in the same way that we´ll have to wait for the outcome regarding the M3 transmision problem, for me looks like wrong flud problem but also could be a engineering problem of the transmision. What I say is that you have no idea. If I have to say something about Audi, is that they have a lot of expirience in turbos, something that is a lack for BMW and thats final.

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85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:28:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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But the BMW is using less boost pressure that is why and the engine is a 3.0l. The Audi has to have more boost pressure, not only to make more power, but it would need more boost to compensate for the parasitic drag of the supercharger. I get 399hp to the rear wheels and 496lb/torque to the rear wheels of my 85 745i by the way, so you can't say BMW can't make power , they made the engine the way they did for a reason. look at the performance numbers. If it had any more power it would meet or exceed the M3 in acceleration.

85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:28:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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BMW doesn't make the transmission either it is either getrag of ZF I believe.

85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:31:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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and BMW used turbos in the 2002 tii turbo in the 70's,and the 745i from early to 84 with a 3.2l with 8.5psi making 252hp. in 84 the engine was bumped up to 3.4l just as the 733 became the 735. boost was down to 6psi and with an 8.0 to 1 compression ratio made the same 252hp but more torque. they know a thing or two about turbos.

chewy - 5/27/2008 2:02:05 AMView My AgentSpace

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how do you know how much boost pressure the supercharged V6 is running?

bimmer - 5/27/2008 1:22:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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@Yonder7

Have you ever heard about 1983 Brabham-BMW BT52
If you didn't... then search, read and shut up.. The engine was thought and prepared before 1983.

In 1988 Audi Turbo was launched in South Africa.
In 1989, Audi introduced the first direct injection diesel engine with a turbo-charger (TDI as we know it today).

TheSailor - 5/26/2008 5:05:21 PMView My AgentSpace

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Hmm... This is a very interesting choice for Audi! This is obviously going to be a "cruiser-engine" more than a sprinter as the supercharger will give you more power at low revs sacrificing top rev performance. And really, in a car that you want to be able to use for every day use, that is what you want! Turbos are a nice bit of kit and will give you an unrivaled power boost, however there is no way to get rid of some lag! And even though BMW has done quite an effort minimizing lack, you can still just feel it as you pull away with the 335i. So, if Audi can do this right (which I have no doubt they will) I think this might even turn out to be an even better solution than BMW's turbo one!
What I'm wondering though is, how much will it be?

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/26/2008 9:26:38 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'm predicting that an S4 sedan will run you about $45K, because the A4 3.2 is about $5K less than the A5 3.2.

Heyhuub - 5/27/2008 2:49:54 AM

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I don't know why people seem to think supercharged engine lack in the top power area. The Lotus Exige S has a supercharged engine and has no problem revving towards 8500rpm.
Or as a more close example take the supercharged MTM RS4 and R8 which rev to 8250rpm with a supercharger.

TheSailor - 5/27/2008 3:59:24 AMView My AgentSpace

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I didn't say that you don't have high revving blower engines, I just said that they are not as good at high revs as a NA or turbocharged... This is down to the simple fact that the higher the rotational speed, the higher the loss. And since torque is lost at high revs, a supercharged engine does it's thing in the lower revband. But ofcause, if the engine was capable of doing 8250 revs before the blower was added, it is capable of doing it afterwards. It's just not going to move very fast at the very edge of it's performance band!

JRobUSC - 5/27/2008 12:02:16 PM

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Sailor, a lot of that depends on what kind of supercharger is used. A single centrifugal blower would produce more top end power at the cost of low end, a roots-style more low end at the cost of high end. That's the beauty of the twin turbo setup BMW used -- by using two very small twin scroll turbos it makes plenty of both. Max torque comes on at 1500RPM and stays completely flat across the whole RPM range, and the engine revs freely (and is still pulling strong) all the way to the 6500RPM redline.

Keep in mind it's fairly common knowledge that engine is already really making more like 330hp and 330lb-ft, and BMW has a "Performance Package" version of the 335i coming as well. A simple software reflash bumps the output of that engine to 384hp and 421lb-ft. They won't go that high, but there is plenty of room for BMW to stay ahead of or on par with the other cars in the class.

I'm sure Audi has a great engine coming, I'm interested to see how it stacks up.

Yonder7 - 5/26/2008 5:24:21 PM

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That´s and smart question due al Audi cars are rising their cost.

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KZ258 - 5/26/2008 6:18:22 PM

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yeah audi is also late to the party with the turbo charging technology. Audi always seems behind the rest

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/26/2008 9:27:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Uh, Audi was one of the first companies to ever use twin-turbocharging technology with the 2.7T engine in 2000. They have also been using turbos in general for years. To say that is just stupid.

85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 9:35:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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yeah and the 300zx in 89 as a 90 year model had twins

Heyhuub - 5/27/2008 2:47:48 AM

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The Audi S4 already did that in 1997.

Not to mention some of the immense power outputs of the 5 cilinder turbo's like the Audi Sport Quattro in 1984 which produced 315hp from a 2.1 litre.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/27/2008 11:49:35 AMView My AgentSpace

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I said "one of the first." I know other companies used it before them, but they were all Japanese sports cars. If it weren't for Audi, I don't think BMW or Mercedes-Benz would be using it today.

KZ258 - 5/27/2008 5:07:19 PM

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ok i am not talking about who is using what first. what i was tryin to say is its kinda wrong by stating Audi's engine will be superior to BMW's. BMW came out with the twin turbo/turbo charging idea 2 years ago and finally audi is doing the same? its the sameway with audi's new LED feature on their headlights. BMW had their signature on the halo lights for years and audi finally catches on with the row of LED lights for their headlights. i dont hear too much about Audi's innovation style but with BMW, i do

S4cabriofoxone - 5/28/2008 8:17:42 AMView My AgentSpace

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"BMW came out with the twin turbo/turbo charging idea 2 years ago and finally audi is doing the same?"

NO. AUDI HAD THE TWIN-TURBO IN 2000, LIKE I ALREADY SAID.

And what are you even talking about with the LEDs? That has nothing to do with "copying" BMW. It just makes their cars better-looking, and it's more effective than the angel eyes IMO.

KZ258 - 5/28/2008 12:18:31 PM

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"And what are you even talking about with the LEDs? That has nothing to do with "copying" BMW. It just makes their cars better-looking, and it's more effective than the angel eyes IMO."

for a lawyer S4, you really have no common sense. i said nothing about copying, just lack of innovative style for audi. but whatever S4, you are bias and thats that.

Yonder7 - 5/26/2008 6:31:58 PM

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KZ258, please , do your homework dude.....I beg.

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Monk - 5/26/2008 7:21:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ok, I know that 300+ hp is actually quite unnecessary for everyday driving. However, I'm now very sad that the C350, even with the upgraded 300hp engine, will now be at the low end of the spectrum...

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Yonder7 - 5/26/2008 7:47:36 PM

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No reason to be sad, that will make them to move the but and work harder. That´s happen to Audi and now they are doing great. Also if you are looking for more power or torque, you´ll have more chose.....MB is the king of HP in the Hardcore segment, but most of their entry level cars are weak. I love MB but I´m not blind as many bimmerfans without the technical capabilty to recogniza the achievements of AUDI.

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amazinBimmer - 5/26/2008 10:28:01 PM

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85 is right.. read his posts.

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85bmw745i - 5/27/2008 12:39:12 AMView My AgentSpace

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Thanks amazinBimmer. Aparently there is an immature soul who deboost me for putting true facts unbiased. Yeah I like BMW but I don't think they are the best, they are the best for what I want but may not be the best for what someone else wants. I'm just speaking truth. It is interesting to see audi make this move. I'm surprised they haven went with a larger more powerful 4 and 6 cylinder version of the 1.4 turbo/supercharged engine. I think that would bring great power and efficiency. look at how well that little 1.4 performs and saves fuel and weighs less. It would definitely take some of the front end weight off of the Audi.

Larry - 5/27/2008 12:30:58 AM

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more bias spin from an article from motor authority that doesn't even mention BMW, yet RYBO another enivous AUDI fans has to put his own jealous spin on the AUDI article. RYBO you should state "you hope is it better than the BMW twin turbo" All these Audi fans are so eager to post half true news articles, every week.

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rayan333 - 5/27/2008 10:25:10 AM

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Um....Audi Fans think we (bmw Fans) jst talk rubbish n stuff...Well im really sorry...but the 335 has an output of 300HP...We still dont know as the breif up said its between 290 and 330HP...u never know the car might be Heavy or something...Jst dont start talking about performance and other stuff before AUDI Announces anything.

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/27/2008 11:53:32 AMView My AgentSpace

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It won't be heavy. The B8 body is lighter than the B7 despite being six inches longer. This is also a six-cylinder engine as opposed to the current V8. Not to mention, it has a new, quicker transmission and will most likely be available with DSG.

huu76 - 5/27/2008 10:36:17 PM

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It's amazing how big a deal it is when the Germans finally catch up to the Supra.

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Kinger - 5/28/2008 5:09:23 AM

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What are you talking about? The turbocharger was first developed by a Swiss company called Saurer. The first companies to feature turbochargers were Oldmobile and Chevrolet. Also this article is about a new Supercharged engine from Audi. Get your coat....

amazinBimmer - 5/28/2008 1:38:50 PM

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yes.. but audi has never made any of its engines ot rival one from BMW.... so why should we believe this one will?. just look at audi's 3.2L v6.. what a POS that is..

its what happens when you are part of the low cost culture at VW and have to wait for multiple platforms for cost amortization.

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/28/2008 7:16:33 PMView My AgentSpace

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"just look at audi's 3.2L v6.. what a POS that is.. "

Great job, bringing up Audi's WORST engine. Honestly, that is the single WORST, least competitive engine in their lineup.

Griffsd - 5/29/2008 10:48:50 AM

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The German car manufacturers are always trying to best one another and they never tire of perfecting what has been used in the past. Personally I think Audi is just flexing some marketing muscle and offering something different to lure customers to the sales floor. Remember the 5-valve per cylinder engine a few years back? Where is it now? I'm on my second Audi and I believe they offer the best overall package in a car today. Styling and build quality are excellent but the engine is the heart and soul of the car. I have no doubt this new engine will deliver.

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