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Autocar tests Audi's RS6 Avant vs. BMW's M5 Wagon. Audi RS6 Avant wins!

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Autocar tests Audi's RS6 Avant vs. BMW's M5 Wagon. Audi RS6 Avant wins!

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MrGunFun - 2/8/2008 9:07:18 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well, RS6 is a truely nice uber wagon.

But imagine a new M5 with twin turbo and DCG!!

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Kinger - 2/8/2008 10:38:18 AM

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Actually they're quite brilliant at making everything else. You're just a complete and utter blundering idiot thats all.

Willis - 2/8/2008 10:12:35 AM

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Why would the GS450h compete with the M5 and RS6? These Lexus fans amaze me at times.

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Kinger - 2/8/2008 10:37:01 AM

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Somehow I don't think JoshLexus4Ever is a real Lexus fan, another poster mocking Lexus fans i'll bet!

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bulldogz - 2/8/2008 10:40:20 AM

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you must be so thrilled to soon own an underpowered sedan, congrats!!

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Htay7500 - 2/8/2008 2:38:19 PM

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your funny.

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Lemantech - 2/8/2008 5:21:12 PM

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can you please elaborate on how the gs handles like a dream?

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ILikeLambo - 2/9/2008 2:01:09 AM

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we will take you seriusly when you are old enough to drive

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Autoegr525 - 2/10/2008 8:09:14 PM

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The IS250 is a dog

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xdrive_ - 2/8/2008 9:25:19 AM

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BMW needs to get the M5 those turbos fast.

I wish they included the E63 estate in this test as well. That is my favorite wagon (especially in black).

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carE10 - 2/8/2008 9:48:11 AM

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some nice quotes from the article
"the M5 is much more a dynamic delight"
"little of the RS4/R8 handling magic is evident in hefty RS6"

These guys hated the M5s trany, but "the M5 feels more agile in every situation"


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Lemantech - 2/8/2008 5:22:56 PM

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i completely agree with you on the handling and the dynamic part. But let's be realistic, when are you going to need a car that can over-steer around a corner when you have groceries and kids in the back?

carE10 - 2/8/2008 10:35:21 PM

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"i completely agree with you on the handling and the dynamic part. But let's be realistic, when are you going to need a car that can over-steer around a corner when you have groceries and kids in the back?"

your never going to NEED a car that can do that, but you buy a car like that b/c you can and you want a car that can do that.
Same reason you dont NEED a car with 580hp v10. Granted your not going to drive like a mad man while kids are in the car..
But when you buy a high performance specialty car like this your going to want a car that you can have fun in ,and challenges you whenever you want it to. Sure the Audi stops and goes really fast, and handles pretty good. After a while going fast in a straight line would get old for me..
With the M5 it stops and goes fast, but its balanced,it handles well, its chassis is responsive, it has great steering feel, an amazing high revving motor, and a decent paddle shift gearbox.
..and for me thats the car I would love to dissect my favorite back road early on a Sunday morning with, b/c it challenges you and rewards you when your up to the challenge.
but hey if thats not your cup of tea, and you like stepping on the gas and holding of for dear life in a straight line..get the RS6

DieselRules - 2/9/2008 2:54:51 PM

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CarE10:
If you're lucky enough to live somewhere with dry pavement most of the year, then the Beemer is great.
But here in Vancouver its different. As they say:"If you can't see the mountains, its raining. if you CAN see the mountains, its going to rain".
When you drive on wet roads 10 months of the year, and take trips into the mountains on snow-covered roads in the winter, the Quattro is a lot more enjoyable and fun.
My wife's A6 Quattro wagon drifts beautifully in the snow ... its perfectly balanced.
But if we lived in Arizona or Texas, we might not have the same vehicles........

JRobUSC - 2/8/2008 9:55:27 AM

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"Even if the BMW M5 had the DSG transmission, it simply wouldn't be enough to out-do Audi's monster twin-turbo V10 horsepower and torque ratings."

Says who? And how would anyone know that anyway when currently that combination DOESN'T EXIST? NO WHERE in the article does it say that. The article said the M5 was more fun and more agile, they just hated the SMG (as do many other people). The acceleration times in the article were within 0.2 seconds of one another, how do you know the M-DCT wouldn't close that gap, all while eliminating the gear hunting and jerkiness that plagued the SMG? You don't know that, yet you state as much above as if it qas a quote from the article. Why must you always insert your own editorials into your "read this article" threads and pass them off as if they were part of the article in the first place?

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JRobUSC - 2/8/2008 10:09:29 AM

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and I'm not saying the M-DCT would have made the M5 the winner, either, the RS6 is brand new and quite an amazing machine. Just that it's irresponsible to make statements you have no way of justifying, especially when you're passing them off as if they were part of a professional (and copyrighted) article.

Larry - 2/8/2008 10:13:15 AM

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Good job, Volkswagen

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Lemantech - 2/8/2008 5:23:43 PM

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ahh, again, one of your very cunning and guile remarks.

ILikeLambo - 2/9/2008 2:05:42 AM

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if you are going to talk make sure people can understand you, Lemantech

Lemantech - 2/9/2008 10:31:30 AM

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i am sorry, i do not see what was not understandable about that comment. I was implying that Larry was being kind of ignorant at calling the RS6 a Volkswagen. My apologies that i wasn't clear about that.

ILikeLambo - 2/9/2008 10:07:41 PM

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oh okay

S4cabriofoxone - 2/8/2008 10:24:57 AMView My AgentSpace

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I agree with JRob... You really need to stop putting in your own write-ups.

You don't flatter either vehicle. Since when did any RS Audi have "horrid" characteristics? No, the handling of the old RS6 wasn't up to par with the M, but that didn't make it "horrid."

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xdrive_ - 2/8/2008 10:27:42 AM

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Hasn't Audi had a long history of producing cars with 60+% of their weight over the front axle?

Targa - 2/8/2008 2:45:10 PM

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Not any more... they moved the transmission and pulled the engine back to give it better weight distribution. I think this changed with the B6 line, but I am not really sure about the time frame.

xdrive_ - 2/8/2008 3:15:23 PM

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I believe the A5 and the upcoming A4 have better weight distributions.

The S4 cabrio has a weight distribution of F/R: 58.4/41.6%. Far from ideal and sporty in my opinion.

xdrive_ - 2/8/2008 3:15:45 PM

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My source: http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/8186/audi-s4-quattro-cabriolet-page4.html

S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:31:29 PMView My AgentSpace

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You think I don't know that? You're not going to sway me--I wouldn't have bought this car if I didn't like it.

amazinBimmer - 2/8/2008 10:40:32 AM

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german...tsk tsk.. how hard you try... Have you recently become a journalist.?? a missed gear (bad driver?) is all that stopped the M5 overcoming the huge deficit in HP and torque and kicking the audi. If that doesnt speak to engineering and balance, the porky, inefficeint rs6 certainly doesnt.

piece of advice. Finish your GED, stop selling used Toyota's go to a areal college (or any college!), make enough money to actually buy a car and then come back to this site. your opinions might be more informed and your english and editorial skills will certainly be more polished. For tday, however, good luck making a hundred bucks on every toyota you sell. HAH

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SixxFive - 2/8/2008 10:50:35 AM

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GermanNut: the slick 'editing' job you did to a professional and copyrighted article to make the Audi appear to be more favorable is t-a-c-k-y.

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c36amg - 2/8/2008 11:21:27 AM

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this test is not credible because it did not include the worlds best wagon... E63 AMG

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ILikeLambo - 2/9/2008 2:08:06 AM

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shut up about that bloody lexus gs, if you want us to believe you, get some sources

audirevolution - 2/10/2008 3:51:41 PM

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Please tell me when Lexus won best Sports sedan.
The GS gets its ass raped by the 5 series and the Infiniti M when it comes to handling.
Look at sales numbers as well. The GS gets outsold by a wide margin by the 5 series as well as the E class.
So shut up. You don't know anything about handling. Come back here when you can drive.

spiritfilled - 2/8/2008 12:11:41 PM

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If the A6 won, it won, gosh darn it. It doesn't make the M5 a bad car, it just means the A6 won this comparo that's all. I am a BMW fan, but sometimes I get pissed off at the comments I see, We (BMW) can't win everything, it's good to be beaten and then return bigger and better to win again. If the Audi won, it won, sheesh, and trust me, I am one of the biggest BMW fan boys you'll meet, doesn't mean i have traded common sense and ability to reason for my passion for the brand. Get the Lexus crap of this thread, is the GS a wagon? DUMMY!

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S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:32:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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+1!!!!!!!!!!

Anthony - 2/8/2008 12:29:01 PM

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I think GermanNut made it clear why the Audi won.

The torque and AWD really put the Audi over the edge. Those who value handling will stick with the BMW. There is not much surprise in this summation.

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Heyhuub - 2/8/2008 12:56:40 PM

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haha @ Josh, you crack me up

Are you saying BMW isn't german?

Htay7500 - 2/8/2008 2:25:41 PM

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which is a german state.

Rupert - 2/8/2008 6:34:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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In Germany.
Where they speak German.
And are Germans.

You are very funny Josh.

SHOWTIME - 2/8/2008 12:32:23 PM

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I think if they race mid to high end the M5 will still keep up with it. With last generation M5 and RS6 there was a 50hp difference and the M5 was still faster mid to high end. The hp percent difference is the same with the newer models so that's why I assume the M5 is still just as fast.

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Lemantech - 2/8/2008 5:28:43 PM

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well, if you saw the torque-range in the RS-6, it was 479 lb-ft available from 1500-6250 rpm, which is an amazingly flat torque range. I can expect that the mid-range flexibility of this particular vehicle is quite amazing.

DieselRules - 2/12/2008 2:07:37 AM

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On dry pavement the 2WD BMW should beat a similar Audi Quattro because of the extra weight of the AWD.
Audis are heavy ... AWD gives an edge in handling, especially in bad conditions, and adds safety, but comes at a cost.
On a smooth, dry racetrack I'd expect the M5 to give the RS6 a run for its money.

GermanNut - 2/8/2008 1:11:05 PM

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You morons, read this:

"Even if the BMW was given a decent transmission - and this might just happen in the next year in the form of that new double-clutch effort from the M3 - then it would still need a pair of front driveshafts to match the Audi in a real-world exchange. And that's before you've bolted a pair of turbos onto the V10 to bridge the torque gap and fitted a larger fuel tank...."

PLAIN AND SIMPLE BMW'S DSG WON'T EVEN SAVE THE M5 from the RS6's torque advantage.

"german...tsk tsk.. how hard you try... Have you recently become a journalist.?? a missed gear (bad driver?) is all that stopped the M5 overcoming the huge deficit in HP and torque and kicking the audi. If that doesnt speak to engineering and balance, the porky, inefficeint rs6 certainly doesnt."

A missed gear and/or bad driver is not all that stopped the M5 overcoming the huge deficit in HP and torque and kicking the Audi.

EVEN IF BMW did add the world's best gearbox, in the form of a DSG the M5 is still not going to defeat the RS6. READ THE ABOVE IDIOT.


Porky? Who says the M5 estate is anything light. If anything, BMW has crappy engineering for making a car with such a HUGE power and torque deficit to the Audi RS6 and such a terrible transmission.

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GermanNut - 2/8/2008 1:13:27 PM

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JROB you dumbass, did I insert my own editorial into the article. NO

Read my quote:

"Even if the BMW was given a decent transmission - and this might just happen in the next year in the form of that new double-clutch effort from the M3 - then it would still need a pair of front driveshafts to match the Audi in a real-world exchange. And that's before you've bolted a pair of turbos onto the V10 to bridge the torque gap and fitted a larger fuel tank...."

What did that quote just say.

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JRobUSC - 2/8/2008 1:48:37 PM

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I don't know, what does this quote say:

"the M5 is much more a dynamic delight"

There was also a quote in the article about how neither of those wagons was as good as the E63 AMG Estate, I notice you left that out too.

Lemantech - 2/8/2008 5:31:28 PM

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i think what it really means is that the E63 is a better wagon as in practicality, etc. Still, if I had to pick between these three wagons, it would be the toughest decision to make.

autopro - 2/8/2008 1:26:54 PMView My AgentSpace

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Neither of these wagons are necessary.Just buy the sedan.

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DieselRules - 2/12/2008 2:14:35 AM

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Wagons are more practical, and look better.
In Europe, a sedan is the "plain" car, and the wagons are the sporty cars.
And wagons are typically better balanced due to the extra weight in the back (mostly the glass & hatch)

maff23uk - 2/15/2008 6:26:36 AM

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I don't know where you get your facts from DieselRules but as an Englishman I can tell you that nobody sees a wagon/estate car as the sporty option!

GermanNut - 2/8/2008 1:28:42 PM

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To you S4CabrioFox:

"And the RS4/R8 magic rarely shines through: that sophisticated damping, that suppleness, that exorcism of all HORRID HISTORICAL AUDI TRAITS isn't as visible here."

Exactly, it looks like Audi reigns supreme yet again.

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amazinBimmer - 2/8/2008 2:07:39 PM

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germanass.. the m5 has a transmission that is 5 years old. the new DSG will be out later this year. dont worry, when both cars are launched in the marketplace.. the M5 will win handily as it alwasy have. what have you sold today??
sc

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Porschinator - 2/8/2008 5:31:08 PM

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I do not doubt the Next M5 will give Audi's RS6 a run for its $$$. The Current M5 had a good run and nothing last forever.

A bigger worry is how these Icons will endure in the new EPA era coming up. I see more Turbo technology in their future.

GermanNut - 2/8/2008 2:29:44 PM

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amazinIDIOT I guess you can't comprehend that even if BMW launched DSG in the M5, which they most likely will before 2008 is over, the BMW M5 still won't defeat the Audi RS6.

Plain and simple:

"Even if the BMW was given a decent transmission - and this might just happen in the next year in the form of that new double-clutch effort from the M3 - then it would still need a pair of front driveshafts to match the Audi in a real-world exchange. And that's before you've bolted a pair of turbos onto the V10 to bridge the torque gap and fitted a larger fuel tank...."

JROB the only quote that matters is found below this paragraph in quotations, you can write all the praise you want about the M5's handling or the E63 AMG Wagon's superiority to both these cars, but between the BMW M5 Wagon and Audi RS6 Avant the only quote that matters is this:

"Nope, the RS6 wins this, even if the child in me will always hanker after a 500 bhp, rear-drive estate car that revs to 8000 rpm. But it doesn't feel touched with the type of inspiration that set the R8 and RS4 glowing. Practice just overcomes principle. The emphasis on just."

Bottom line: The Audi RS6 Avant has defeated the BMW M5 Wagon.

AmazinIdiot this means you LOSE and I WIN. How does it feel to be a loser?

BMW will know quite soon in another 12 years, when in 2020, they are in second place in the sales race to none other than Audi.







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JRobUSC - 2/8/2008 4:14:23 PM

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that's ok, I never said the Audi didn't win the comparison. I'd hope a brand new RS6 that costs $20k more (in U.S. dollars) would beat a three year old M5. Even if the M5 had won I wouldn't care much, I'm not really all that concerned about versions of the car that Audi and BMW won't even sell here (and versions of the car I probably would never buy anyway). Considering the only knock on the M5 was the transmission (which I agree with) and the size of the fuel tank (which I could care less about in this type of car), and the fact that the performance was so similar, and they called the M5 more fun to drive, I'd be pretty proud of the results if I was BMW, especially knowing that there's a power boost and the M-DCT coming.

I will be interested to see the SEDAN comparison test when the 525-550hp naturally aspirated version of the M5 comes out in a year, with the M-DCT. I'm glad Audi, Mercedes, and BMW keep raising the car against one another, it forces the others to make better vehicles.

S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:36:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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"I'd hope a brand new RS6 that costs $20k more (in U.S. dollars) would beat a three year old M5."

M5 is three years old already? Wow. I still want one (though maybe not as much as an RS6).

Anyway, I don't think the RS6 will cost $20K more. I can't imagine anything over $100K for the sedan. I'm looking at it this way: the RS4 is less than the S6. The same relationship exists between the RS6 and the S8, although the RS6 has much more power than the S8, so I think it will be $95K. You can find a $95K M5 easily, because they have many very tempting options. My own M5 would probably be $90K without taxes, if I go that way.

kablaam - 2/10/2008 4:41:34 PM

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"AmazinIdiot this means you LOSE and I WIN. How does it feel to be a loser?"

You lost all credibility after that statement.

Do you honestly expect anything less from a natural competitor to the M5? Did you expect audi to come out with a car(3 years later) that will be equal/less then the M5. What is shocking, 3 years later, Audi still cannot make a car that handles as well as the M5. It's the natural progression of competition, when the E60 M5 came out it left the previous model RS6 behind vica versa. Why this is even a discussion, is beyond me.

P.S.: Anyone can pop a huge engine into a vehicle and make it faster than the rest. I promise you my 86 T-Type will smoke this RS6 in a straightline, does it make it a better car, obviously not.

TheSailor - 2/10/2008 7:24:29 PM

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"AmazinIdiot this means you LOSE and I WIN. How does it feel to be a loser?"

How pathetic is this?!

amazinBimmer - 2/8/2008 3:26:48 PM

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you forgot to answer..."the What do you drive" and "what did you sell today" questions..care to? hehe

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GermanNut - 2/8/2008 3:35:29 PM

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You forgot to realize....."Your a Loser" just like the BMW M5 Avant is to the Audi RS6.

Your such a hypocrit amazinidiot. Face it you admitted you liked the Audi R8 on more than once, I have proof of that. You admitted you liked the Audi A1.

Now there are officially ZERO Audi haters on this forum. Larry has expressed interest and complements, albeit rarely on Audi's such as the R8, and the Audi RS6, on this actual thread to be exact.

AmazinIdiot I have proof you complemented the Audi R8.

Welcome to the Audi-supporters club IDIOT.

You might not be as dumb as you sound after all.

You can't hate the Audi R8. The car has won more Car of the Year Awards than you can count on one hand. It was won more comparison tests against the iconic Porsche 911, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Jaguar XKR, BMW M6 and many other competitors including the Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 etc.... than you can count on two hands.

Audi is in the game. Their product portfolio is growing faster than you can think. We already have the Audi Q5, A4, and A4 Allroad coming out this year. These are all huge volume models with low price that many people can afford.

Then on the high end is the A7 and the RS5 and newly designed Audi RS4. Not to mention the TT-RS and possible RS7.


Damn even I can't keep up with Audi's massive product blitz.




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moto - 2/8/2008 5:05:57 PM

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well, BMW fans (of which i used to be), balance is critical, but it is not everything. Matching the transmission to the engine is also very important. I am shocked that BMW didn't do a better job. There's no shame in coming in #2 to the RS6, though. Please amazin-fanboy, STFU.

Kudos to Audi for offering, once again, a superb machine. It will be nice to see the next gen 6-series lose a few pounds, because Audi has dramatically improved everything else in all its vehicles. They truly are leaping towards the head of the pack in many categories.

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Larry - 2/8/2008 5:56:17 PM

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few people in the US will buy a Audi RS6 sedan or wagon, and I don't think many people will buy a an A7 either people the A6 and A8 are unpopular. Buying a Mercedes is different than buying an Audi

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S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:38:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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"few people in the US will buy a Audi RS6 sedan or wagon"

What, you think a lot of people buy the M5?

The RS6 (and Audi RS cars in general) doesn't work the way BMW M cars do. They don't have unlimited production runs and made-to-order cars at any time; the RS6 will probably be built for a year, or two years max. It's in very high demand and they do that to keep the resale and exclusivity high. It's quite simple really.

BozzorTheGreat - 2/8/2008 6:16:47 PM

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There was never any way the RS6 would have NOT won this: it is simply got a bigger engine with twin turbos...more hp, more torque, 4wd and more space. Sure, it weighs a lot more, but the benefits far outclass the weight penalty.

But if BMW decides to add twin turbos to the M5, different story...perhaps.

Mind you, the RS6 is running an extremely conservative 0.7 bar turbo boost. What does that tell you?

Some tuners are already working out ways to make it more insane. I figure 650 hp is very easily achievable with minimal modifications and will be offered soon.

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GermanNut - 2/8/2008 7:04:03 PM

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Yeah too bad the Audi A6 outsells both the BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-clas worldwide, Larry. Oh well for not many people buying the Audi A6.

China is going to become the largest car market in another 5 years where Audi is comfortably ahead and expanding rapidly.

Larry = uniformed dumbass.

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S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:41:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yeah, it does...

It was announced a year after the current A6 was introduced--it is the best-selling luxury sedan in the world. I'm sure it's mostly due to China and Germany.

razzy23 - 2/9/2008 1:26:17 AM

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German nut, Someone here needs to go over to your house and Beat you with the CPU that youre using. And then, drive over your sorry ass with a BMW. hahaha

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amazinBimmer - 2/9/2008 8:37:15 AM

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losernut...

when both saloons are on the market.. in '10, the new m5 will win.. as usual. the only difference is, I can afford one (or two). reagrdless of who wins, you wil still be driving a Camry and writing emails on the topic. I know life aint fair... but....

cmon... tell us.. "What does Germoron drive?".. PUHHLLEEASEE...

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GermanNut - 2/9/2008 10:43:44 AM

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Yeah right you think the M5 sedan will defeat the Audi RS6 sedan??

What are you smoking amazinIdiot???

I hate to inform you but the Audi RS6 sedan will weight 132 pounds LIGHTER than the Avant, it will have the same exaact twin-turbo V10 with 580 horsepower and huge torque and by that time, Audi will have a DSG for it.

You know what that means.....your BMW M5 will be run right over again.

Audi is #1 in sales out of all premium luxury brands in 2020.

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Htay7500 - 2/9/2008 1:04:54 PM

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especially when 2020 hasn't happened yet and is another 12 years away

FABlexusB0i - 2/9/2008 11:34:54 AM

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OMG guys you have to stop hating on Lexus! It's such a hot brand and their care are like fabulous! Those mercedes garbage can't compare to the hottnes of the IS-F or the supreme luxury of the LS! Keep hating but like you kno lexus is better.

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GermanNut - 2/9/2008 1:23:08 PM

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Larry and amazinidiot both can't seem to ever provide factual information to support their anti-Audi claims.

They post purely false information which is opinionated and they can't provide credible information to support their statements.

Therefore their comments should be believed to be false until proven otherwise.

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Larry - 2/9/2008 3:18:42 PM

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the basic law of economics is supply vs. demand, at audi you have plenty of supply in the US , and very little demand, in fact Audi is probably the least most popular semi-luxury brand in the US, we don't need a A7, or RS7 a Q3 or RSQ3, etc. just because Mercedes and BMW is in demand it does not mean we want an Audi, there are plenty of choices other than Audi

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S4cabriofoxone - 2/9/2008 6:43:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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"at audi you have plenty of supply in the US , and very little demand"

Actually, I was at my dealer today and heard the exact OPPOSITE.

Nice try, you idiot.

Audi is NOT supplying enough cars to the US. My dealer has no A8s, very few A4s, and only one or two Q7s in stock. They sell right when they get them in.

My dealer told me what I already knew--Audi isn't focusing on the US. It's China, Germany and the UK that they care about.

Rupert - 2/9/2008 6:46:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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They make no money in the US due to a strong Euro and weak dollar. They love the UK though - although the RHD conversion makes them more expensive over here.

VISO - 2/9/2008 11:54:53 PM

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Really, January sales prove otherwise fool!

GermanNut - 2/9/2008 6:49:02 PM

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Larry, stop making up your version of Economics 101, you jackass.

Larry, what about Europe, or China and other high-growth markets???

In the rest of the world there is a huge supply of Audis and also a huge demand. In fact, there is so much demand in the rest of the world that even though Lexus outsells Audi by 3 to 1 in the United States, Audi outsells Lexus 2 to 1 worldwide.

Larry stop making up your own economic bias theories.

Larry, it doesn't matter what the U.S. drivers want. Hell, the United States won't even be the largest car market in another 5 years. China will claim that position and Audi is selling like hotcakes in both China and Europe.

With a huge product expansion underway, better reliability, improved RS performance, great interiors, better driving dynamics, and improved brand image from the R8, Audi is gaining steam at a record pace.

Audi is going to surpass Mercedes globally in 5 years even though at that time, Audi will still probably only sell half as many cars as Mercedes-Benz in the U.S.

Why??? Because the U.S. is not an important market at all when compared to the rest of the world where Audi is growing at a record pace.

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GermanNut - 2/9/2008 6:51:49 PM

+1 Boost

Audi does not care about the U.S. and it has good reason to not care. That reason is because the U.S. is irrelevant when compared to the rest of the world combined in terms of selling cars.

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Larry - 2/9/2008 7:15:52 PM

-4 Boost

Hopefully Audi could leave the US market and focus on China, a place that cares about audi, no chance of success for the A7 and a and A1 in the USA, the A8, A6 and A3 are losers in the US.

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VISO - 2/9/2008 11:53:10 PM

+3 Boost

Sorry, but you are an ass! There are no ohthe words to describe you pitful rants. Get a clue!

GermanNut - 2/9/2008 10:01:32 PM

+3 Boost