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BMW 1-series tii to get 340hp?
BMW’s Concept 1-series tii has been causing a bit of a stir of late, with word getting out it’s housing a more powerful version of the 335i’s 3.0L twin turbo. The rumor comes from a group of German journalists who have apparently driven the car. With the U.S. introduction of the 1-series just around the corner, it makes sense for BMW to test more powerful versions and expand the limited range of models coming to the world’s biggest car market. Currently, only the 125i and 135i are scheduled to go on sale in the States. Read Article



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EL34EL34 - 11/1/2007 2:50:30 PM
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This car is gunna be fast as a rocket :)

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HwanyHwany - 11/1/2007 3:15:23 PM
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NO joke... and it actually looks good.


BimmerFanBimmerFan - 11/1/2007 3:42:52 PM
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Wow...a more powerful model would certainly be welcome...but WITHOUT the boy racer rice look, please!

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soopakrnsoopakrn - 11/1/2007 4:10:25 PM
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I'd like to know if the suspension will be updated. If it's no suspension upgrades, probably better to just purchase Procede when it comes out for the 135i.

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StarStar - 11/1/2007 6:02:01 PM
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It is not Japanese or Korean..so is not going to fall apart.

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infunfinfunf - 11/2/2007 5:38:25 AM
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Star: that didn't make a damn bit of sense.

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KingerKinger - 11/2/2007 6:02:37 AM
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Oh, and kraut_masters comment did?

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DaHarderDaHarder - 11/1/2007 4:41:06 PM
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As much as I have vowed that my next vehicle will NOT have another blue/white roundel on its hood... Note: I hate my local dealerships!

Hmmm?

I'm just trying to justify the next CTS-V and a smaller vehicle (that probably won't be any more efficient than anything I currently own).

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DaHarderDaHarder - 11/1/2007 4:42:22 PM
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I just wonder how close to (or much over) 50k they'll be asking for this lil' box?

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 11/1/2007 5:36:43 PMView My AgentSpace
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I'm guessing it'll be about the price of the E46 M3. ($50K on the dot)


1995e341995e34 - 11/1/2007 5:30:09 PM
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i'd be way more impressed if they could shave a couple hundred pounds of this puppy rather than just make it more powerful. any idiot tuner can make it more powerful. offer ultralight components. that's fancy.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 11/1/2007 5:37:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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Yes, I agree, that would be a more BMW thing to do.


jeffy210jeffy210 - 11/1/2007 5:53:18 PM
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"...only the 125i and 135i are scheduled to go on sale in the States."

*grumble, grumble* no 123d damnit *grumble, grumble*

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investor27investor27 - 11/1/2007 6:30:58 PM
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Me, grumbling, too...about the 123d not coming over to the states. BMW should bring the 123d over to the states.

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investor27investor27 - 11/1/2007 6:31:31 PM
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Me, grumbling, too...about the 123d not coming over to the states. BMW should bring the 123d over to the states.

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rg12345rg12345 - 11/1/2007 7:04:46 PM
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just another car to destroy the new M3. maybe not destroy, but to stay with the new M3 for 20-30k cheaper. I just do not understand how BMW works ... why pay so much more ?

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 11/1/2007 10:42:11 PMView My AgentSpace
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Because it's an M3, and it will still be better, no matter what.


LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 7:13:28 PM
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I think it will hurt the BMW 3 Series sales number, I know it still a BMW, but do this?

I guess only time will tell

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LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 7:25:08 PM
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correction, I know the 1 Series is still a BMW but why do this? it might hurt the 3 Series sales figure. I honestly think it a bad move BMW is making here because, competition is tougher than ever before.

Audi is fully loaded and planing to release so much new vechicles, A5/S5, RS5, Audi R8 and Audi R8 V10.

Lexus is coming out with their F performance division, and MB C63 AMG.

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Bmw8terBmw8ter - 11/1/2007 8:13:13 PM
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It won't hurt the 3 series sedan too much....maybe the 3 series coupe. This won't be too big a seller for the average consumer. I don't know if you've ever owned a small 2 door coupe, but as much fun as they are, there's nothing practical about them. Most people who buy this car will more than likely already have another vehicle that they use on a regular basis for doing all of the "hauling".


KingerKinger - 11/2/2007 6:06:36 AM
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How is it a bad move? None of their competitors have anything to compete with this. This car will appeal to a younger demographic than the 335i and M3, and if those people get hooked on BMW now, they'll likely buy more BMW's down the line.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 11/4/2007 11:17:50 AM
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bad move?

this is a brilliant move! there are no real competitors to the 1-series. it will be a brilliant performer. and it will appeal to an even younger demographic who has no need for four doors.

the 1-series will sell like mad. and the 3-series will continue to sell well around the world in all its forms...sedan, coupe, wagon and convertible.


2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 11/1/2007 8:58:16 PM
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hawt! I will take it

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LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 10:14:35 PM
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faston,

But my point was that this 1-Series tii is getting 340hp that 34hp than the BMW 3 Series 335i. Imagine how the BMW 335i owner feel, when this 1 Series tii fly past them when they're with their girlfriend? Not a good thing my friend.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 11/1/2007 10:44:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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I mean, that's like comparing a new A4 3.2 (265hp) to the S3 (265hp). Of course the S3 will be faster! The A4 owner knew that when they bought it!

And BTW, the tii will most likely be more expensive than the 335i, so it had better be faster.


1995e341995e34 - 11/2/2007 4:23:14 PM
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people don't buy the bigger car for it to be faster. they buy it to be bigger. and bigger SHOULD be slower. those are grade school physics principles.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 11/4/2007 11:22:05 AM
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lexus:

speed isn't everything. many brands have less expensive cars that faster but smaller and less luxurious.

how will the owner of the LS600 feel when the guy in the LS460 blows by him?

or the IS350 blows by the GS460?




LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 11:03:08 PM
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The IS350, when fully loaded is around $37k, the GS460 fully loaded cost way more, like $55k or something.

This 1 Series tii, cost as much or more than the BMW 335i and had more horse power.

Why am I wasting my time with this German fanboys idiot?



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KingerKinger - 11/2/2007 6:10:33 AM
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And the IS-F will be around $60,000, so it's smaller than the GS460 yet faster, just like this tii will cost more than the 335i, is smaller and also faster. This isn't anything new, car companies have been doing this for years.


LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 11:05:58 PM
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I don't want you guys to misunderstand me, all I'm saying is that the BMW 1 Series shouldn't out run the 3 Series. Because after all, it is BMW bread and butter.

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LexusLexus - 11/1/2007 11:06:34 PM
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correction, out run the BMW 335i etc.

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bmwpowerf1bmwpowerf1 - 11/2/2007 4:00:40 AM
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the 1 series has been out in australia for almost 2 years know, and it hasnt killed sales from the 3 series. its in the little pocket rocket segment

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investor27investor27 - 11/2/2007 9:21:16 PM
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What the price difference (in percentage) is the 135i vs the 335i in Australia?


MaindrianPaceMaindrianPace - 11/2/2007 6:27:18 AM
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Man I hope BMW launch this car! the only think I'm not totally keen on is the bonnet. Carbon Fibre roofs look good, but anything else just looks like you've had a crash.

I'd also change the stripes so they were M-colours like the old turbo.

Come on BMW release this car! you know it makes sense!

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MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 11/2/2007 9:37:40 AM
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it seems to me that BMW is a bit desperate to be in the spotlight at par with Audi. I do not intend to start a flaming war with BMW fans here. I see that BMW came out with an incredible value car in the 335i and now they may top that with the 1-series. I wonder if they are really making money on these cars at all or is this the only way they can take away from the media buzz surrounding the latest Audis which are really taking off (starting with the Q7, then the R8 and now the S5...plus future plans of equally impressive cars such as the RS6, new A4, TT-S, Q5, A7 and A1). Another fact that may support my case is that BMW lacks the funds to introduce as many models as Audi in the coming years. I will have to wait and see how the profit margin numbers come out in the coming years comparing BMW to Audi's. Audi's PM has certainly been going upward very close to BMWs, but BMWs may be suffering and heading the other direction.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 11/4/2007 11:26:30 AM
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"it seems to me that BMW is a bit desperate to be in the spotlight at par with Audi."

um, i think you have the brands reversed in that sentence. though audi are nice, most of them just don't compare to their bmw and mercedes competitors.


KingerKinger - 11/6/2007 5:41:19 AM
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None of those Audi cars compete with this, I don't get your logic, Audi are going after BMW, not the other way around.


jeeka715jeeka715 - 11/2/2007 12:08:59 PM
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Is it fair to say that the S3 and the 135i are competitors? Or am I a little off?

Would you guys take an S3 over a 135i? Why or why not?

I know if I were single and didn't have a daughter/son, and never had to load groceries/gear/etc. I would consider either one....thoughts?

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 11/3/2007 2:50:39 AMView My AgentSpace
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Hmm. That's hard. It depends on what you're looking for. The tii will be more expensive, lighter and more focused, but the S3 is more stylish, can outrun many more expensive cars and can take you through any bad weather. A white S3 appeals to me. I still don't love the 1 Series styling.


MaindrianPaceMaindrianPace - 11/4/2007 5:23:35 AM
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I think it's a litte subjective to say an S3 is more stylish, I'd say it is more understated (if you think thats a good thing or not is up to you... personally I have no problem with being noticed!)

I think where the S3 does score better is practicality. If they are on a par with each other performance wise then I think as the S3 is more useable then it will make more sense to alot of people.

My money's still on the Tii though! Looks better IMO, I love RWD, If I needed practicality, I'd chop in my 3-er for a touring!


HermannHermann - 11/2/2007 6:37:18 PM
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The KING is back! It`s the BMW 135tii.
Forget all front wheeler and 4WDs. A real power car has only rear wheel drive.
Only the Pontiac G8 can catch this car!

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BM3WBM3W - 11/4/2007 11:13:30 PM
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Can anyone say 0 to 60 in 3.9/4.0 seconds!!! Bring it BMW.

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