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BMW Up 5.3% For November, Mini Drops 3.3%
Woodcliff Lake, NJ - December 3, 2007 The BMW Group in the US (BMW and MINI combined) reported November sales of 26,985 vehicles, an increase of 4.2 percent over the 25,889 vehicles sold in November 2006. The BMW Group also increased its year-to-date sales volume to 302,079 vehicles, up 7.8 percent, compared to 280,186 vehicles in the same period of 2006.

BMW Brand Sales
Sales of BMW brand vehicles increased 5.3 percent in November for a total of 23,808 compared to 22,602 vehicles reported in the same month a year ago. Year-to-date BMW brand sales were up 8.3 percent, to 263,596 vehicles compared to 243,487 vehicles sold in the first eleven months of 2006.

MINI Brand Sales
MINI USA reported November sales of 3,177 automobiles, down 3.3 percent from the 3,287 cars sold in November 2006. Year-to-date, the division reported sales of 38,483 automobiles, an increase of 4.9 percent, compared to the 36,699 cars reported through November of 2006.

Table: Sales BMW of North America, LLC, January through November 2007

BMW Brand

Nov 2007 Nov 2006 % YTD 2007 YTD 2006 %
23,808 22,602 +5.3% 263,596 243,487 +8.3%

BMW passenger cars

18,627 18,817 - 1.0% 207,471 191,808 8.2%

BMW light trucks (SAVs)
5,181 3,785 36.9% 56,125 51,679 8.6%

MINI brand
3,177 3,287 -3.3% 38,483 36,699 4.9%

TOTAL Group
26,985 25,889 4.2% 302,079 280,186 7.8%

BMW Certified Pre-Owned
The company reported sales of 7,856 CPO vehicles in November 2007 from 5,049 in the same month a year ago, an increase of 55.6 percent. Year-to-date, CPO sales are up 7.8 percent, to 80,299 over the 74,476 reported in the same period in 2006.


BMW Up 5.3% For November, Mini Drops 3.3%



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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/3/2007 4:52:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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bmw keeps rocking

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ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 12/3/2007 4:55:36 PM
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Keep shooting up BMW! and this is only the US market...

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NeverfollowNeverfollow - 12/3/2007 5:27:12 PM
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And truck sales are still leading the way! Who would have guessed.

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/3/2007 5:48:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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neverfollow ... That was expected with the new X5. How is audi doing? oh wait they are down arent they.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/3/2007 8:22:14 PMView My AgentSpace
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If 1% can be considered down, then yes.

How about Acura? Lexus? Why didn't you mention them, huh?


amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 12/3/2007 6:03:37 PM
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Never(always) follow.... hahahah. Lets wait for Germanut



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GermanNutGermanNut - 12/3/2007 7:27:11 PM
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This is good news actually. It forces Audi to step their game up even further.

Mind you, amazinBimmer, Audi is not doing poorly in the U.S. or globally for that matter either.

Both in the United States and worldwide Audi sales are up approximately 9% over last year.

With the Q5, Q3, TT-S and new A4 all being released next year, I look foward to Audi increasing their sales to increase by at least 10% over this year.

All these new high-volume models are being regarded as much better cars than previous Audis in regards to driving dynamics.

I look forward to Audi, Mercedes-Benz, and BMW co-developing engines together in the future.

oh yeah, one more thing for you amazinBimmer......why do I never see you criticize Audi on all the posts about the amazing R8?

All you say is that Audi can't develop the V10 even though it is confirmed Audi is creating the entire V10 engine for the R8 on their own.

Doesn't it feel good to be a part of the brand that has a lower annual household income on average when compared to Audi.....you must be a secretary, but your not going to be playing on the boss tonight. HATER

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/3/2007 8:55:43 PM
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Perhaps the people not buy "crappy overrated" Lexus and Acuras.

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/3/2007 8:59:19 PM
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Buy = Buying, RATS!

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/3/2007 8:22:37 PMView My AgentSpace
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Nice. Great for a very flat (and maybe even down) month.

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LarryLarry - 12/3/2007 8:50:52 PM
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No, Germannut Audi, BMW and Mercedes are not co-developing engines together. BMW and Mercedes may develop some small car platform that is it. You have to deviate from the truth when you mention audi. Audi is owned by Volkwagen Audi share engines and platforms with VW. Look at the future VW platform sharing game plan consisting of 4 different platforms, throughout the VW Group. Can anyone else on this site show me a article that states Audi, Mercedes and BMW co-developing engines?? Why does he post these lies??

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/3/2007 10:50:28 PMView My AgentSpace
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Go to the "Mercedes and BMW deal expected soon" article.

"Mercedes-Benz and BMW are expected to make an announcement before the end of the year about a new partnership in regards to the development of four-cylinder engines for the next-generation B-Class (codenamed C412) and Mini. There’s even talk of a possible tie-up with Audi further down."



LarryLarry - 12/3/2007 9:01:48 PM
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Germannut still playing the 2004 Forbes average income card, I think is says the Audi owner makes 149,000 BMW owner makes $148,000 what is the difference, $100.00 per month?? If Audi owners was really big time, maybe could sell more than 350 Audi A8's per month. Audi has been selling cars in the US since 1965 and they are still unknown in many parts of the USA.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/3/2007 10:50:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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Oh, please, shut up.


huu76huu76 - 12/3/2007 11:40:08 PM
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It's amazing how many cars you can move when you give them away.
Every model except the 5 is charging 2% on leases.
http://www.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/can_us_specialOffers.asp?lang=en
The X5/X3 are charging 2% for finance. Everything else is 4.9%.

I posted this a few days ago, now Lexus doesn't want to show it anymore. They were charging 3.5% lease and 8+% financing.


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maikoazumaikoazu - 12/4/2007 2:02:57 AM
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Who's giving them away? I want I want...


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 12/4/2007 10:25:56 AM
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Jugnu, as usual you're out of your mind. Here are the equivalent interest rate conversions for the money factors BMW is running on 2008 models, WITHOUT the finance markup dealers charge on top of it:

3-Series 3.96-6.48%
5-Series 5.4-5.88%
6-Series 6.48%
7-Series 4.68% (model being replaced at end of year)
X3 6.48%
X5 6.48%
Z4 6.48%

Quit spouting nonsense.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 12/4/2007 10:30:05 AM
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and as for purchase finance rates, BMW is offering 3.9-5.9% on 2008 3-series models ONLY. The rest of the cars are running standard bank rates.


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 10:36:34 AMView My AgentSpace
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huu76 ... you are in love with your lexus . I work for BMW. The only finance deals are on the 3-series. 3.9% on 328's , 4.9% on 335's, 5.9% on 3-series wagons. No finance specials on conv, 6-series, 5-series, 7-series, X5 or X3 ...

In regards to leasing, Jrob is correct .. BMW rocks, while everyone else is down a little bit ...


LarryLarry - 12/4/2007 12:23:37 AM
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Attn s4, i read the BMW and Mercedes tie article, Rybo says that there is possible tie with Audi down the road. however when you read the Motorauthority artcle it says BMW and Mercedes would work together to help match the economics of scale that for example Audi shares with its partner Volkswagen. Nothing about BMW and Mercedes working with Audi/VW. Rybo posted the article and misinterpreted the facts. You have read the articles from the source not just the autospies post. trying to associate BMW with Audi? Don't embarrass BMW like that!

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GermanNutGermanNut - 12/4/2007 12:27:20 AM
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Larry, you are a real idiot.

So you say I post lies, yet you are the one who fails to check the BMW co-developing engines with Mercedes article that clearly mentions Audi not only in the user-submitted portion, but also Audi is mentioned in the actual article how it shares platform with Volkswagen and Porsche (for its Q7 SUV)

Second, sure, the data might be from 2005, but I can tell you are a real bad research analyst. I doubt you'll be making MD at Goldman Sachs kid. If BMW has increased their sales of the 3-series each year with the E92 model, it is safe to say that BMW has increased 3-series sales in terms of percentage of its overall sales as there have been no new significant releases within that time.

These additional 3-series owners are not the CEOs, company Presidents, and successful entrepreneurs. Instead, hey are secretaries, administrative assistants and other low-income individuals.

It is not my problem, Larry, that BMW decides to appeal to secretaries, administrative assistants and the like while Audi caters more to the mid-level executive.

If BMW really wanted to be prestigious they would cater to true CEOS, successful entrepreneurs and the uber-elite. Examples of the companies who do cater to these types of clients are Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Ferrari and Lamborghini.

Unfortunately, for you Larry, Audi is closer to catering to these highly successful individuals than BMW is.

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 10:30:50 AMView My AgentSpace
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German nut - you are an idiot. Audi sells alot less cars in the US, than BMW but you consistently want to bring up them. Now you are claiming that BMW doesnt represent the upper exec's. If I am not mistaken, the BMW 7-series has sold more luxury sedans than Lexus & Audi combined over the last 10 years. But you are right, all 383 Audi A8/S8 means that they appeal to the executive level. BMW sold 3x that many 7-series in the US at a higher cost per car.

Your arguement is pathetic at best. idiot


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/4/2007 2:07:09 PM
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"These additional 3-series owners are not the CEOs, company Presidents, and successful entrepreneurs. Instead, hey are secretaries, administrative assistants and other low-income individuals."

When you present opinion with absolutely no fact its called MAKE BELIEVE.

"but I can tell you are a real bad research analyst. I doubt you'll be making MD at Goldman Sachs kid"

A very hypocritical statement from some one who completely fictionalizes the demographic of the three series. My best friend wife, who started and has ran her own company for twenty years,and is very successful, drive a 3er, The CEO and founder of my company, which was just picked by INC magazine as one of the fastest independent growing companies in America drives a 3er. I could go on and on. Just because some one doesn't spend six figures on a car does not make the a hourly employee, it just means they are pretentious. You lack of understanding this leads me to believe you have very little understand of the true demographics of the luxury car market, let a lone the buy habits of the high net worth crowd.

Just ask Warren Buffet he drives a Lincoln

Please don't present your own conjecture as fact.




JRobUSCJRobUSC - 12/8/2007 11:29:19 AM
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GermanNut, those are some of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard, even for you. You act like BMW has a bunch of homeless people running around in 3's.

It needs to be mentioned that Audi would absolutely LOVE to have "lower income" people stretching to get into an A4 the way BMW has with the 3-Series. Why? Because it shows that people dream of owning a BMW. Not only does that sell a bunch of cars to people who are achieving their dream but that kind of brand attraction tends to lead to more sales of higher models from those same customers down the road when they make more money. I know you know that BMW sells more 3's than Audi sells cars, but I'm sure in your head that just confirms that BMWs aren't as prestigious. Fine, take all the 3-series models out and guess what? Taking BMW's highest selling model out STILL results in BMW selling more of their other models than Audi sells with all of theirs. Yes, BMW sells more of only their prestigious, expensive vehicles than Audi sells vehicles period. And BMW is supposedly pandering to the poor, right?

And tell you what, since you're stuck on the income thing, drop the 3-series and A4 from the data. You're so sure that Audi caters more to rich people than BMW, so drop the "cheap" cars from the figures and look only at the vehicles you have to be in a high income bracket to afford. What do you think the average income figures will look like when comparing BMW and Audi then, without the average being pulled down by all those people you think are on welfare buying the cheap stuff?


EnvyofyouRS5EnvyofyouRS5 - 12/4/2007 2:58:02 AM
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Audi doesn't need to team up with BMW or Merc to make engines, they already make award winning engines with their FSI V8's and DSG V6's. Lets not forget that BMW has yet to match up the 610 HP upcoming Rs6 bi-turbo engine, and Mercs high output engines are not exclusive as they can be found in the AMG 65 models as well as the SLR.
Audi the "unheard" of brand in all of but the bumpkin towns of the midwest, is doing a tremendous job of coming out with contemporary designed and Technological Cars, and in most reviews ahead of the competition(a6, b8 A4 Motortrend January issue, s5, R8).

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cs4444cs4444 - 12/4/2007 1:49:10 PM
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BMW make the best engines in the world without exception. Some Ferrari engines may make more hp/liter, but they are peaky and basically race car engines. In terms of engine tech, performance, and everyday drive ability BMW is number one. They make the smoothest engines,and the most linear in power delivery. In regards to the RS6 slapping turbos on an engine that previously was not award winning will not suddenly transform it, it may make alot of power but thats not hard to do, power is not everything. BMW has won around 30 international engine of the year awards in various categories since 2000, including more overall victorys than any other manufacture. Audi won one in one category once, and it was an engine that they developed with VW. Also the international engine of the year awards isnt a little magazine contest, its voted on by over a hundred of the worlds top auto journalist, and people in the industry. As far as engines go BMW is the king.


M53RM53R - 12/4/2007 3:42:48 AMView My AgentSpace
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GO BMW!!! and guys.. all the arguements above are just childish.... So what if Audi was or wasnt mention in the deal? So what if Audi owners have a higher average income? Grow up!

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2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 12/4/2007 10:36:54 AM
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Every manufacturer has good months and bad months. I am glad BMW is doing well. I own one and will continue to own one the rest of my life. I also like to see mercedes and audi do well. I could care less about the japanese cars.

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GermanNutGermanNut - 12/4/2007 12:05:05 PM
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BMW4Me4Ever, Did I ever talk about the brands on a model by model basis???? NO

The truth is, for the brands a a whole, which includes ALL of their respective cars not just the 7-series and A8 full-size premium luxury sedan classes, Audi owners are wealthier than their BMW counterparts.

BMW4me4Ever, you are the real idiot. Strop trying to skew data in favor of BMW owners being wealthier than their Audi counterparts by using ONLY 7-series vs. A8 data.

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 1:10:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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German nut ... You and your little Audi hysteria is amusing at best. Audi owners are wealthier on a per car basis due to the average income based over less cars. BMW sells more 3-series in the US monthly, than Audi sells in its entire lineup. Since the average income for a 3-series buyer is less, then the average income for BMW buyers goes down due to volume. You are making a point for executive buyers, who tend to buy more expensive car, correct! .... If we use that as an example, then the higher model BMW's cost more per car than a comparable Audi.

Audi's most expensive model is the R8 on limited basis of about a MSRP of $115,000 to $125,000. BMW has the Alpina B7 and the 760Li both of which are in the $125,000 to $140,000 price range. Audi has the A8/S8 which will price out anywhere from $70,000 to $105,000 MSRP. The BMW 750i/750LI is priced out from $74,000 to $94,000. BMW has the M6/650 priced out from $78,000 to $116,000. BMW has the M5 priced from $85,000 to $98,000. If I am not mistaken, BMW currently has more cars at a higher income level. They, BMW, also sells more cars at this level, than Audi sells.

A client spending about $100k to $150k on a car, has to have an income of at least $250k to be able to justify paying about $2k to $3k a month for it. With that being said, in regards to " executives in the US " BMW has a greater audience and is seen as more afluent car to purchase ....... idiot

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 1:15:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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How many A8's did audi sell over the past 3 months in the US? 1094 cars. How many BMW 7's did they sell over the same time frame? 4,215. These cars cost more money than the Audi counterpart, thus meaning it requires a more affluent buyer to purchase the car. Audi has sold 70 R8's and BMW has sold about 5k M5's, 6-series and M6's over 3 months and these are cars that start at $78,000 and go to $ 115,000.

enough said.

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GermanNutGermanNut - 12/4/2007 1:43:23 PM
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BMW4me4ever you are being dumb, yet again.

Are you forgetting? Audi has the A8L W12. That car has a base MSRP of $120,000.

Additionally, Audi's R8 starts at $110,000. Lastly, Audi's S8 is not $70K. Try base MSRP is $93,300 for the S8.

Audi is also going to release the R8 V10 which is surely over 120K base MSRP and lets not forget the R8 Spyder which will also be in the $120-125K range.

Yes, I realize BMW sells more 3-series than any other car in their lineup.

Don't blame me for BMW targeting the lower-income 3-series buyers as their biggest customer.

Blame BMW marketing for attracting their blue and white propeller badge to a bunch of no-shows.

Face it, on average Audi owners are wealthier than their counterparts. I realize that Audi sells a lot less in terms of volume than BMW, but then you should blame BMW for doing a shitty job in marketing their by-far the biggest volume selling car in their lineup to a bunch of secretaries and other low-income professionals.



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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 12/4/2007 2:14:02 PM
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Other than the pricing. your statements are factless fiction.


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 2:32:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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German nut .. did you even read what I wrote or only what you pick out?

" Audi has the A8/S8 which will price out anywhere from $70,000 to $105,000 MSRP. " Notice I grouped the Audi A8 and S8 together. Notice how the price says from $70,000 to $105,000. psst, do I need to make the words bigger or type slower? idiot.

So then you respond by stating this"
"Yes, I realize BMW sells more 3-series than any other car in their lineup.

Don't blame me for BMW targeting the lower-income 3-series buyers as their biggest customer."

What are you talking about? the Audi A3 is less expensive in the US than the least expensive 3-series. It is not BMW's fault that Audi doesnt sell as many cars in the US. BMW outsells Audi in everymarket 3 to 1. Fact ...

You mention in an earlier post about
"If BMW really wanted to be prestigious they would cater to true CEOS, successful entrepreneurs and the uber-elite. Examples of the companies who do cater to these types of clients are Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Ferrari and Lamborghini.

Unfortunately, for you Larry, Audi is closer to catering to these highly successful individuals than BMW is."

Huh? As I just stated earlier, but i know you have a hard time reading, BMW outsells Audi 5 to 1 in the $80k and more price segment. If you just look at the Full size sedan segment, then you will see.

Audi A8, S8, A8 W12 - MSRP range from $70k to $130k ... Audi has 4 models of this car. Sales for the month of Nov - 383, oct-360 est, August - 381 est

BMW 750i, 750LI, 760li, Alpina B7 - MSRP Range from $77k to $140k ... BMW has 4 models of this car. Sales for the month of Nov - 1450 est, Oct - 1285 est, Sept - 1180 est ....

In this example, since you are slow, High end luxury cars or flagship sedans BMW out sells Audi 4 to 1 for the same number of models ....

what exactly where or are you talking about? Audi has higher average income cause they sell less cars and the income is over a smaller overall figure. If audi, sold the same amount of cars, their average would be lower. Cause in the US, Audi just cant seem to sell and Flagship Sedans. Fact





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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 2:37:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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German nut .. dont respond unless you have a clue on what you are writing about. If i have a million dollars and i spread it over 10 items and then 20 items in equal shares, then the lower number will have a higher average. According to your logic, the lower number is more affluent. lmao

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 12/4/2007 5:23:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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that wasnt my point ... I dont care personally, just proving a point as ridiculous as it is.

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huu76huu76 - 12/4/2007 9:18:07 PM
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Yeah, I must've made this website up.
http://www.bmw.ca/content/pressReleases/can_us_specialOffers.asp?lang=en

I suppose BMW is just posting these numbers as a make work project for someone's nephew.

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huu76huu76 - 12/4/2007 9:23:19 PM
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I'm sure this is another homework project for a BMW relative in need.
http://www.bmw.ca/finservices/calculator_popup.aspx?lang=en&financetype=finance&prov=on&term=36&downpayment=0

Read it and weep, they're actually charging 3.9% financing, not the 4.9% I thought.

BMW's new slogan. "Fresh off the boat and straight into a Bimmer."

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huu76huu76 - 12/4/2007 9:29:05 PM
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bmw4ever,
See above link. X5 3.0 @ 2.0% financing.
Hah, looks like their website is down again. They should buy that kid some better web servers.

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huu76huu76 - 12/4/2007 9:37:23 PM
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bmw4ever,
No rates for anything above the 3 series? Really?
Click on the bottom left of the screen where it says "Special Rates".
http://www.bmw.ca/com/en/index_highend.html

Wow, you can finance the following over 5 years.
650i/M6 cabriolet @ 4.9%
550i/M5 Sedan @ 3.9%
535i @ 3%
Z4 Roadster @ 2%
750i/L @ 3.9%
X5 3.0/4.8 @ 2%

Since when do rich people need low finance rates?

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M53RM53R - 12/5/2007 3:24:38 AMView My AgentSpace
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They hope this will help people like you ;)


amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 12/5/2007 4:27:09 PM
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germanut.. you are funny. way funny. also a poor toyota salesman that dreams of buying an expensive (or even a car, but cant afford it. too bad. really. German... sold any camrys today?


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Carman56Carman56 - 12/15/2007 4:10:20 PM
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I'm looking to lease a new 3-series, but am trying to come up with some reliable info on the best lease terms. Found a Web posting from one blogger who's smartly trying to get others to share the details on leases they're offered (http://www.bmwleasepayment.com), so others can make more informed decisions on what deals to take---and which ones not to. Any other suggestions?

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