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BMW X1 SAV Caught in Cold Weather Testing
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BMW X1 SAV Caught in Cold Weather Testing
Our Scandinavian lensman just snagged some new photos of the BMW X1 in the midst of some cold-weather tests. Our latest look at BMW’s sub-X3 SUV comes along with some new information on the X1’s promising technical specs.
Reports from Britain’s
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Magazine tell us that a ZF-supplied eight-speed automatic transmission will accompany the latest line of direct-injection, turbocharged engines. The new eight-speed transmission will result in quicker acceleration and improved gas mileage, resulting in an X1 that should represent quite a formidable performance package.
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DaHarder
- 2/22/2008 4:17:12 PM
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Hmmm?
I'm wondering at what point these automakers will realize just how convoluted their line-ups are becoming?
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EL34
- 2/22/2008 6:45:24 PM
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This is a good vehicle for Europe.
EnnNorak
- 2/23/2008 2:27:55 AM
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It might be a good vehicle for my wife who wants a small SUV. She rejected the X3 only because the styling fools at BMW gave the X3 a faux running board in the form of a plastic rocker panel cover that juts out 3 or 4 inches from the body. Women hate that as they get their pants dirty on it when getting in and out of the vehicle in the winter.
pacotacolol
- 2/23/2008 7:08:31 PM
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lets see, that means up to 19 models for bmw by 2015? dang
Rupert
- 2/22/2008 5:42:03 PM
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Ridiculous vehicle. Just get a sodding 1 series.
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TheSailor
- 2/22/2008 5:51:42 PM
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This is getting truly ridiculous! How many different models can a relatively small brand really justify?! Three different SUVs???
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EnnNorak
- 2/23/2008 2:30:59 AM
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They have enough customers willing to pay a big premium for the BMW brand. This allows BMW to get away with smaller production quantities.
JRobUSC
- 2/23/2008 9:04:30 AM
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Actually that would give BMW four (X1, X3, X5, X6). I also would expect one day for them to make an actual 7 passenger SUV based on the 7-Series platform since the X5 really isn't one.
As for their size justifying the number of vehicles, Lexus is much smaller worldwide than BMW and they have three SUV's (and supposedly a fourth a coming). Mercedes is smaller than BMW worldwide and they have three SUV's, with a definite fourth coming soon. It's not like BMW is alone here.
S4cabriofoxone
- 2/23/2008 1:23:08 PM
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Sure, but the BMW SUVs DON'T MAKE SENSE. There are only two that make sense--the X3 and X5. The X1 and X6 are completely unnecessary. In Mercedes's case, only the G-Wagen doesn't make sense, and for Lexus, the GX doesn't make sense.
bulldogz
- 2/24/2008 9:54:30 AM
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The RL only makes sense if you're transporting caskets.
nybimmer
- 2/22/2008 6:21:26 PM
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BMW is rolling this out to further amortize the investment in the Mini SUV and maximize their profits.
Think Chevy Trailblazer / Saab 9-7X / GMC Envoy.
This is BMW's 'hedge' in case the Mini SUV flops, as it doesn't cost that much more to add an incremental model, and/or increases profit if the segment proves really deep. BMW - the Ultimate Accounting Machine.
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theoptimisticpessimist
- 2/22/2008 6:44:46 PM
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I guess this is not for the US market. Struggling to see the use of a SUV, er SAV, with the cargo capacity of a Kleenex box.
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huu76
- 2/23/2008 12:20:07 AM
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LOL, you can't even put a full hockey bag in the back of an X5 or X6, what the hell is an X1 going to carry? Skates?
Considering my head hits the rear roofline in an X6 (I'm only 5ft8), the X1's back seat will probably be for children only, much like the X5's 3rd row decorative seats.
Gotta love the lack of ground clearance, they'll get stuck in ruts just like sedans.
Ahhh, smell that exclusivity. Rather ripe if you ask me.
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Agent001
- 2/23/2008 12:30:33 AM
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The X6 has more cargo space than a Porsche Cayenne and the X5 I'm testin has PLENTY of room
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JRobUSC
- 2/23/2008 9:07:11 AM
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Huu, you're full of crap, there's no way your head hit the roof of an X6 if you're 5'8". I'm 5'11" and head clearance in the back.
I'm guessing the difference between you and me isn't that I'm 3" taller, it's that I've actually seen and been inside the X6 and you haven't.
ICON
- 2/23/2008 1:50:39 PM
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Huu, next time you try sitting in the back of the X6 try not wearing the double dose of Depends your crying a** is always in. See how that works for you buddy.
6 ft and had no problem.
Ironman273
- 2/23/2008 1:52:58 PM
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Like JRob said, I'm 5'10" and have headroom in the back. Another unjustified comment.
huu76
- 2/23/2008 12:22:35 AM
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What's this, an 8-speed transmission too?
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LexusKindaGuy12
- 2/23/2008 3:34:43 AM
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i was just gonna write a comment about this.
i guess now, the doubters on this site will find a way to justify that extra gear *roll eyes*
S4cabriofoxone
- 2/23/2008 1:24:33 PM
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No, what I'd really like to see is the seven-speed M-DKG across the lineup.
AROD550I
- 2/23/2008 11:19:50 AM
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BMW is taking over as the luxury brand that does the most volume and at the same time have the best performance, handling, driving feel and SERVICE!
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bulldogz
- 2/24/2008 9:57:33 AM
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did you just say that with a straight face? Just because they offer free service over 4 years doesn't mean it's good.
huu76
- 2/23/2008 12:56:29 PM
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JRob,
I know you're lying. I sat in the X6 at the Toronto Autoshow, my head touches the glass. Don't try to pretend you've even seen one when you haven't. Again, you're a liar.
Agent001,
Go look at the X6 when the hatch is up, the storage space is about 12" high.
The X5 might have lots of room for grocery bags, but if you need to put real equipment in, it better not be too high or else the liftgate will catch it.
My dinosaur Jeep has more space, and its all usuful space.
I wonder if the X1 will create another car segment that no one asked for. The CAC to go with their SAC.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 2/23/2008 1:26:08 PM
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"I know you're lying. I sat in the X6 at the Toronto Autoshow, my head touches the glass."
"Glass?"
Did you ever think of the fact that the X6 you were sitting in had a panoramic sunroof, and the one JRob was sitting in did not?
Anyway, I have a feeling that you strained your neck to make your head hit the glass. That's the kind of thing you would do in order to bash this car.
theoptimisticpessimist
- 2/23/2008 2:03:58 PM
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Your dinosaur Jeep was built for car camping. The only off-roading the X6 will ever see is if Muffy back over the landscaping. If the X6 can carry golf clubs its succeeded.
huu76
- 2/23/2008 12:58:09 PM
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JRob,
Did I mention you're a straight out liar?
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huu76
- 2/23/2008 12:59:59 PM
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Next thing you're going to tell me is that you've sat in a 5-series.
Maybe you can describe what you think its like, then I'll tell you what its really like.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 2/23/2008 1:26:36 PM
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Would you shut up? Thanks.
huu76
- 2/23/2008 9:53:42 PM
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LOL, go sit in your 3rd row seat if you can.
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huu76
- 2/23/2008 10:03:54 PM
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No wonder BMW has to make up SAV and SAC names, the last version X5 can't even climb a hill.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=44276
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bulldogz
- 2/24/2008 9:58:39 AM
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almost got an X5 2 years ago, until I looked at rear storage, MUCH smaller than it seems.
Rupert
- 2/24/2008 10:05:13 AM
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The old X5 had a smaller boot than the X3.
huu76
- 2/24/2008 12:58:09 PM
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fastonekiller,
If you read the link and saw the actual comparison, the X5 was the ONLY car not able to climb it. The RX did. So yes, compared to an X5, the RX is an offroad king.
X5=good handling SAV, but definitely not an SUV and people who want handling and no offroading ability will buy a car.
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huu76
- 2/24/2008 2:32:13 PM
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Read these comments the writer left on the X5 review.
Ride height and AWD were the only reasons they could think of to get an X5 over a wagon, and AWD isn't exclusive anymore.
"But BMW also has been the make of choice for Yuppies and Wannabes, and the X5 is right up their alley."
The X1 should be perfect for those who really can't afford an X3 but want to look as though they can afford an SUV too.
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Rupert
- 2/24/2008 6:37:07 PM
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Huu - that's the old X% from 1999, without Xdrive, which improved things significantly.
I've read tests where the X5 was the only one to get up a slope, but of course, I can't cite them, as I can't remember.
And Huu, your comments stand true for ALL car based SUVs - what advantages do they have? Very few is the answer.
huu76
- 2/26/2008 1:10:42 AM
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RX300? How old is that review, 1997?
Rupert,
There are some basic things vehicles should be able to do. Climbing a hill is one of them. Change "sand hill" to "snow hill" and see how good an X5 is then. There are some pretty deep valleys in Southwestern Ontario around the Hawkley Valley/Kitchener area. Makes me wonder if an X5 could even navigate on those roads in the winter.
Then again, the X5 will only ever see an underground parking lot at the mall.
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huu76
- 2/26/2008 1:12:38 AM
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Oh, and since the RX was first and invented crossovers, you ever notice each new RX sets a new standard?
You can already see it with the Highlander.
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