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BMW confirms new zero-emissions car
In March BMW announced that it would establish a new research division called ‘Project i,’ whose task will be to develop a number of solutions for a vehicle designed for congested city motoring.

The goal of Project i was never to exclusively develop one type of vehicle or another, but to come up with a range of technologies BMW could introduce across its fleet or even under a rumored fourth brand (the first three being BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce).

Project i will run independently to BMW and has been given until the middle of the next decade to develop a concrete solution for the city car. Read Article



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AdHominemAdHominem - 6/16/2008 3:48:38 PM
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Oops, it loks like you are posting on the wrong article Hom007.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 6/16/2008 5:44:15 PM
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I don't know why every time Brand A comes out with something the first thing that has to come out of people's mouths on this site is "yeah well screw them, Brand B is better because blah blah blah". It's ridiculous and it happens every... single... time... especially whenever Brand A happens to be BMW.

FYI BMW has had hydrogen 7's running around for years, too. There are VIPs driving them in California right now, and they've been showcasing the technology for quite some time.

You know, I used to just think people like AmazinBimmer and GermanNut were just crazy. I'm starting to wonder if instead they started off normal and then went off the deep end with their BMW (or in GermanNut's case, Audi) love after being forced to spend so much time on here defending their manufacturers of choice from the anti-BMW/Audi nutcases. Maybe they're not as crazy as I thought, this place has just gotten to them.

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ghosthunterghosthunter - 6/16/2008 9:37:41 PM
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hydrogen 7 is, well.
do you even know what hydrogen 7 is? and how it works? burning hydrogen is maybe the lowest way of utilizing power within hydrogen.

and hydrophone 7 wasn't on the road "years ago" it was a year ago. Honda's FCX (not the clarity) was on the road years ago and available to lease ever since year 2002.


oh. did i mention how pathetic the BMW hydrogen 7 is as far as the efficiency goes? it goes 4.7 mile per gallon of hydrogen (16 mile per gallon of gasoline), by comparison Honda's FCX Clarity gets 81 mile per gallon of hydrogen, that is 16 times more efficient.

the hydrogen 7 is everything but green and environmental friendly, i am amazed your clueless German fanboys keep bashing about Lexus LS600H was not a green car but no one points out hydrogen 7 was completely a environment disaster.


well. giving that you are graduated from USC (i assume from your s/n) , i guess that's the best you got.



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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 6/17/2008 8:04:54 AM
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awe, ghosthunter resorting to personal attacks to prove how cool Honda is and (once again) how shitty BMW is. I seem to remember one of the first rules in debating, when your opponent resorts to personal attacks they've lost. And here I had such high hopes for you. I apologize for whatever demolition our football team put on yours, or whatever beautiful USC women laughed at you, that made you so jaded against an institution you probably couldn't have gotten into anyway (it's private -- no "I live in CA so I get to go here automatically" stuff for you).

My point was BMW has had a hydrogen car for years, and it's out on the road too. Other than Honda who else can say that? Get off your high horse and blast THOSE guys, the ones not even trying.

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ghosthunterghosthunter - 6/17/2008 2:56:35 PM
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I have all the respect for USC's football, and certain academic areas (like MBA, Medical), but as for as natural science goes, i don't have too much respect, please don't showoff the usnews ranking that USC's engineering is number 7 nationwide, because USC's engineering area is really not that great.

I wasn't trying to attack you, if I did, I apologize. All I am tying to attack if your point that

“FYI BMW has had hydrogen 7's running around for years, too. There are VIPs driving them in California right now, and they've been showcasing the technology for quite some time.”

The hydrogen 7 has little wroth to showcasing to. They weren’t the first one, nor the best one, nor one of the best one. It uses a brand new technology the way it wasn’t intended. Much like you use a CPU to toast bread rather than doing something it built for: calculating. By not using it properly, the ‘clean course’ is actually more damaging to environment than gasoline.

also. I don’t want to attack USC, believe or not, I was a full scholarship student at USC for E.E. M.S. Which is why I was quite disappointed to their natural science department. There is no need for “beautiful USC women laughed at you” anything like that.

Lastly. Not only Honda, but Toyota also had fuel cell cars (not prototype, actual leased model) came out years ago.





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sectorsector - 6/16/2008 4:41:44 PM
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I guess not too many "visionary" thinkers at BMW...

Honda foresaw the need for these Alternative/Ultra low emission vehicles more than 10yrs ago (1999 was the first prototype). A little late for BMW it's a start I guess.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 6/16/2008 5:45:26 PM
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Perfect, see my post above.

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MunichRobMunichRob - 6/16/2008 11:17:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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"ghosthunter" The reason no one is talking about the hydrogen 7 like they are the LS is because the hydrogen 7 is merely an experimental car available only to whom BMW wants driving them. The LS is a production model available to anyone with the money.

Furthermore did I mention how pathetic your whole Honda FCX, Hydrogen 7 argument is? That's like stating a civic gets better MPG than the 750i...Oh really?! The FCX has something like 130hp & the hydrogen 7 something like a 290hp V-12, plus the 7; because it has an actual combustion engine, can run off both hydrogen & gas if need be.

While it's true that burning hydrogen is less efficient than Honda's chemical reaction approach, real auto-enthusiasts won't trade in the sound of a combustion engine for the whisper of an equally fast fuel-cell car, or electric, or whatever.

Basically there is less to compromise by going green with the 7, & make no mistake as when it's running on hydrogen, it is in fact a very green car.

You're really comparing apples to oranges here.





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ghosthunterghosthunter - 6/17/2008 3:29:27 PM
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I have no idea how anyone can make a comment without knowing anything.

so FCX was pathetic because it has 130 hp and push you to 60mpg in under 10 seconds, and H7's glorious V12 with 290hp can push you 0 to 60 in....... 9.5 second? (go blame that overweight hydrogen tank, its 30 gallon of hydrogen tank can at least help you showcase your HYDROGEN POWER for about 100 miles before the show is over)

There are things about BMW I respect: crisp handling, state-of-art 3.0TT, some of the best designs (E90/92). I also respect their effort to integrate everything into I-drive, though it is a failure (I like Acura’s V/R far better and maybe Sync that is used in ford). But BURING HYDROGEN just for P/R and showcase that they have the technology while they don’t? that is just not right.

Lastly, is there any purpose for H7 other than marking? With less than 5 mpg on hydrogen you can hardly call that is practical. High revving is not possible when you are in hydrogen mode (it has a.. hmm. At lot lower octane value if I translate in the gasoline terminology, so stop with you ‘sound of a combustion engine’), it pollutes more than gasoline (factors in the pollutions in production process and divide by 4.7) and get less power, A LOT more weight. How could you call that product has any technological advantage in ANY area?

That’s like Toyota get a new prius that get 5 mile per gallon yet requiring charging 160 dollar of electricity just to show off its cleanness for 100 miles. What would you say in that situation? I call it is a failure, no less than what I am calling the H7 now: a failure.



BWagBWag - 6/17/2008 12:24:23 AM
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Is it really possible that I could lose confidence in the abilities of BMW? The Hydrogen7 was cool, like ten years ago, but I see little improvement in the various logistical problems of range, fuel delivery, fuel production and storage, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I generally adore BMW, but am never too deep in love to stand back and see the wrongs. Why did they make their first hydrogen car a huge, heavy sedan? (well, space constraints!) I know. But, we all know that low weight improves efficiency and performance. Is such not attainable?

Cheers for Honda! At least they know what they're doing. (Even if I can't agree with fuel cell cars either.)

-bwag

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MunichRobMunichRob - 6/17/2008 9:40:08 PMView My AgentSpace
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"ghosthunter" while you make some good points as to why the hydrogen 7 doesn't work, you have to remember that it is still in the development stages, if it wasn't BMW would've released it as a production model for the masses.

Utilizing hydrogen in a combustion form as opposed to Honda's fuel-cell approach is much more attractive to me as an auto-enthusiast who likes to drive.

Regardless of high you can rev the engine in Hydrogen mode you still have the sound of an engine, & in time with more research working out the kinks they'll probably fix this.

Also your 0-60 9.5sec figure is a little off, it is stated the hydrogen 7 can accelerate to 60MPH in under 9sec.

It's unfair to criticize the hydrogen 7 as it's clearly just a start, in fact it's unwise & you should save it for the end.

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huu76huu76 - 6/18/2008 12:26:32 AM
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An entire division for creating more gas powered "hydrogen" vehicles?

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