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BMW's next 7-series is a technological marvel

528i submitted on 8/17/2008 Official Bell & Ross Timestamp: 6:49:29 AM

113 user comments | Category: Spy News | Source: | SOURCE: www.telegraph.co.uk

BMW bought this 191-acre site in 1986; all models since have been partly developed here.

The facility now has 32 miles of test routes: a high-speed banked circuit and various handling tracks, including one with water sprinklers, an FIA-approved grand prix test circuit, even an exact replica of the Nürburgring's fearsome Karussell corner. The original racing circuit, an oval, and its tiny grandstand, have been preserved

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BMW= Black Mans Wheels
— lovecars11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 8:47:12 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -63

Wow. Can you give the laptop back to your mom please and go do your chores.
— lewishamiltonpimp (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 9:24:48 AM | | Votes: 36

this kind of racial comments shouldn't be allowed. he should be banned.
— S30GTR (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:08:23 PM | | Votes: 31

Making something up that's technological and then it only last for a fews months before it falls apart and break down is not technological
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 8:48:42 PM | | Votes: -20

Well, here is the facts. I am black so it not racial. Further, in the United Kingdome black people prefer to steal BMW'S. Wake up people and do not assume as it make an Ass out or U and Me
— lovecars11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:01:43 PM | | Votes: -19

I'd hate to say this, but I kinda agree with silver1...

I mean, there's many people out there that can create wonders, but like the light bulb, that's not completely true. Edison's true reason to come into fame is his marvelous electric lamp that LASTED! Quite a few people were competing with him...trying to patent their products, but Edison's lasted for not just hours but days...
I praise the 7's gadgets, but if BMW really wants to impress me (and millions of others), they've gotta make their technologies more reliable...not fool-proof, just reliable.
— WorldofLuxury (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 12:13:04 AM | | Votes: -6

Kthor- You would commonly be know as a wanker. Racial my black ass, wake man stop living in a political correct world.
— lovecars11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 1:59:08 AM | | Votes: -15

WorldofLuxury,

Your incredibly biased comments have made you loose all credibility you had. You Lexus fanatics are so full of yourself with propaganda. You talk as if other brands cannot build cars that last long - they can. Furthermore owner treatment is a big and often overlooked factor.

If you knew anything about cars you would see that in many parts of Eastern Europe, North Africa, South America and the Middle East and Asia too there are many older cars still in use from Mercedes, Peugeot, Renault, BMW, Volkswagen, Fiat etc. that have withstood the test of time and simply refuse to die. I've traveled around the world, I've seen cars in places where you'd just wonder how they do it, how they manage to take all this abuse and still soldier on. Toyota makes long-lasting cars, too, but give it a rest with this "Lexus is king" BS. Lexus is so overrated (by the press, by fans and by people with no clue).
— ErichHartmann (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 2:44:02 AM | | Votes: 5

Kthor- My point of my last blog was the poor grammar. I am please that you noticed because proved what I suspected, a huge chip on your shoulder. It is not my fault that your are an American and along with your country, have screwed the world.
— lovecars11 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 7:16:56 AM | | Votes: -9

Lovecars11, try going to school and learning proper grammar and spelling. People might take you more seriously when you hit puberty.
— FitzLA (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 10:12:56 PM | | Votes: 3

Yes it`s technologically advanced but not innovative . Innovations that I find : flexray data transmission ( this one I think the most important ) , traffic signs recognition by camera ( speed limits ) with cruise control adjusting automatically speed to speed limits and that`s all , maybe some minor i-drive upgrades like Integrated owner`s manual in i-drive and adaptative brakelights depending on braking power . Other technologies like Night vision with person recognition , four wheel steering , Lane change and lane departure warning system were much earlier introduced in other cars .
— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 9:46:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -17

You are 100% correct. Their are much better other choices out there like the innovative Lexus LS.

Winning JD Power award #1 year and and year out and no one can beat you is innovative. I guess Lexus never gets tired of winning first place.
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:15:10 AM | | Votes: -27

Still no protective side molding -- watch out for parking lot door dings.
— EnnNorak (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:31:59 PM | | Votes: -29

Hey .. I only said it`s not innovative but this not mean it`s bad , it`s probably very good engineered . Not every new car must be innovative , so I would change title from technological marvel to engineering marvel .
— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:35:28 PM | | Votes: 6

Silver...You need to start using spell check too. It would be "there are much better choices" not "Their....". Again, graduate elementary school and then come back.
— FitzLA (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 10:14:35 PM | | Votes: 2

I agree.

It'll probably take several seconds just to identify WTF that moving thing is.
— qweasdzxc (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:16:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -21

"BMW's next 7-series is a technological marvel"

Indeed it is.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 10:20:47 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12

wow. Best comment of the nice. Thanks for the TIP!
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:41:39 AM | | Votes: -20

“WHY has BMW had not released a HYBRID”

Because they sell diesels. Most over the world finds diesel more efficient and better performing than hybrids. Looking at the world market, North America is the only country that has embraced hybrids. Hybrids from BMW on the way to answer that demand..

“Only major innovation has been awarded to the Lexus.”

Who has awarded Lexus for the major innovations? How many “engine of the year awards have they won compared to BMW.

“Lexus's 3 models has hybrids with ultra reliability 14 years in a row”.

Which Lexus hybrid has been out for 14 years?

“Honda has hydrogen cars in production already. Where is BMWs hydrogen?”

For sale in California, BMW beat Honda to the market by a couple of months

“ Toyota is posibly coming out with a Solar power collecting Prius(Lexus version?) and where are BMWs solar innovation? “

What innovation, Audi has it, Saab had it years ago. Just like four wheel steer (which I agree with you on) nothing new here.

“Plug in hybrids are right around the corner!”

Yes but neither Toyota or Lexus will be first with them

“True innovation of engineering isn't about night vision or 4 wheel steering but it is beyond this. It has to be a whole. It has to be balanced. The car has to be Gold standard on all categories not just a handling.”

I concur completely, as far a balance goes why has the current LS has never won a comparison test. The LS 600 has always finished last in every test I’ve read.

It Simply speaking...BMW are overhyped due to handling prowess that 95%

No car I MEAN NO CAR, at this level is over-hyped. They are all extraordinary machine.

“folks will NEVER even get close to using especially in the U.S. BMWs are so damn focused on 0-60, top speed and handling”

BMW regards both handling and speed as a safety feature, accident avoidance.

“BMW gets recalled when there are problems.
Toyota promptly recalls themselves.”

Complete fiction, nobody wants recalls, nobody, and nobody out of "good faith."

For the record BMW has a higher percentage of cars recommend from Consumer Reports than Toyota does.
— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 5:09:15 PM | | Votes: 9

The Worlds rated most technological car with the most technological features is still the Lexus LS 460.
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 10:53:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -29

One of the most advanced features of the Lexus LS is the wired remote in the back seat.

NASA better be taking notes.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:25:43 PM | | Votes: 23

LMAO!!!
— 85bmw745i (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 9:00:53 PM | | Votes: 8

EL.. lol! nice one
— omega2005 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 12:40:06 AM | | Votes: 7

This is going to be the new Benchmark for the high end luxury class..

Good work BMW!!
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 10:57:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 20

What planet are you from?
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:01:47 AM | | Votes: -30

MT "BMW is only the benchmark when it comes to handling and making really uncomfortable cars"

uncomfortable ...for the competition. Lol...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:13:07 AM | | Votes: 21

You are 100% correct. They can't beat Lexus and that makes them uncomfortable. 1st place year end and year out. Lexus is the most respected brand in the worlds most powerful country with the best churn rate than anyone, and yes this makes the other automakers very uncomfortable and work over time.

Not sure what the hell they're going to do when the Lexus LF-A is release.
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:21:48 AM | | Votes: -26

It remains to be seen if the front seats of this new 7-series will measure up to the world-leading comfort and features of the Mercedes S-class front seats.
— EnnNorak (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:34:06 PM | | Votes: -22

"Most respected brand"

Actually that goes to Mercedes-Benz.
Everywhere outside of the U.S.A., Lexus is considered an overpriced Toyota with no prestige.
Sales in Europe and Japan were disappointing, if not horrendous. Sure sales were up 200%. They sold 3 cars this year instead of 1.
Lexus sales worldwide are not even half of BMW or even Audi.

"Worlds most powerful country"

Now I know you're a Japanese man working for Toyota.
The worlds most powerful country still is the USA.
CHINA has 99897 times more power than Japan. Is the Japanese government brainwashing you?
Who defeated you in WWII? Oh wait, you don't know what that is. The Japanese government brainwashes and denies that it ever took place. It hides the fact that they killed millions of people like the Germans.

"LF-A"

That cars been nothing but hype all along. It keeps getting delayed and will be overpriced. Who knows if it will even ever come out?
The NSX will be a much better choice. Who'd choose an LF-A over a Ferrari? Ferrari/Lamborghini owners buy their cars for the prestige, name, driving feel, and styling (All of which Lexus lacks). They won't even consider it.
The GT-R and the NSX are the top supercars from Japan and are priced much lower than what the LF-A will command. These two are a much better value.
— audirevolution (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:52:25 PM | | Votes: 11

This Article is killing me. This BMW-7series-mini-cooper doesn't even have LED headlights, a advance hybrid option, and doesn't even park itself...
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:10:58 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -25

"This Article is killing me"

More articles like this please. If poison doesn't work give the Japanese fanatics articles about BMW and maybe we will finally get rid of them.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:15:35 AM | | Votes: 19

We are here to stay. We are home of other great things like Toshiba, Sony, Nintendo, Robots, etc..... Very technological. And 19th century European. We are the future. Tokyo, the largest city in the world.

Lexus is the closest peaceful man made masterpiece thing to heaven.
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:29:05 AM | | Votes: -27

"Lexus is the closest peaceful man made masterpiece thing to heaven"

That would be a fabulous slogan if Lexus would be in business with let's say...caskets.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 11:49:52 AM | | Votes: 24

silver1, aren't you a robot made in Japan :-?
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:28:06 PM | | Votes: 23

Japan is also home to war-criminals, lovers of Hirohito, people who were responsible to the "Asian holocaust", people who support incest, and people who believe that they are a superior race. Japan also has a weird fashion sense and is home to some of the weirdest things on the planet.

Silver, you're a TROLL. I'm beginning to think you work for Toyota in Japan.
Lexus isn't all that great..Lexus copies the Germans everytime. And underneath it all, Lexus is just a fancy Toyota. They look the same inside and out and are equally as boring to drive. Heck, the LS looks like a bloated Camboat.
The LX is a LandCruiser, the ES a CAMRY. The SC is a Soarer. The GX a Prado. The RX a Harrier.
— audirevolution (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:40:00 PM | | Votes: 4

"7-Series Mini-cooper"

Thats like saying "LS Yarolla" or "LS Camry"
But then again, the LS does resemble an oversized Camry inside and out.
— audirevolution (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:41:14 PM | | Votes: 7

Hmm, 4 wheel steering, night vision "technological marvel"? Total misuse of the term. As a previous poster has written these things have been done before. 4 wheel steering introduced by Nissan in 1986
! Night vision was in the Cadillac in 1999!

"HICAS (High Capacity Actively Controlled Suspension) is Nissan's rear wheel steering system found on cars ranging from the more recent Skyline and Z iterations to smaller models like the Nissan Cefiro (A31), 240SX/180SX and Nissan Serena/Nissan Largo. It is also found on models from Nissan's Infiniti division, such as the Q45 and the M45/M35. Unlike other four wheel steering systems, HICAS and Super HICAS are fitted to improve handling rather than as a parking aid."

"HICAS was introduced on the 1986 Skyline GTS coupes (GTS, GTS-R, and GTS-X). The system was later adapted to work on many models in the Nissan range, beginning with the Passage GT."

"General Motors' new 2000 model Cadillac DeVille will highlight a night vision technology when it goes on sale in 1999. GM will be the first automaker to offer the Night Vision device, which was based on technology borrowed from military applications during Operation Desert Storm in 1991."
— tkindred (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:11:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -15

Bla, bla, bla...bla, bla, bla...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:13:27 PM | | Votes: 17

LOL
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:10:01 PM | | Votes: -22

Actually most, if not all of the features mentioned on this car can be found on other cars. So Im confused why its a marvel. If this really impresses you so called car fanatics, I would really challenge you to step outside your BMW box and explore other brands. U might be surprised what you find out. I do find that they have taken these features and improved them. But these features are still ot full original and are now expected on cars in this class.
— 0to60 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 7:51:54 PM | | Votes: -8

This dumb kid called Star just won't quit.
— qweasdzxc (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:18:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -23

Yawn...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:21:59 PM | | Votes: 18

I won't quit either until BMW gets it right by killing i-Drive, installing anti-door-ding protective side moldings, and by cloning the S-class front seats. BTW, I'm no fan of unnecessary overpriced complications like 4-wheel steering -- they will add significantly to life cycle cost in terms of repair and maintenance, not to mention reliability issues due to mean time between failure in vehicles that are generally not built to aerospace standards.
— EnnNorak (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 12:42:22 PM | | Votes: -20

Wow, this new 7 series is awesome. I always knew BMW was at the forefront of technology, but this 7 series is light years ahead of the competition. I was kinda leaning towards the MB S class but after seeing and reading about the new 7 series I am sold on it. The interior of the new 7 series makes the S class look like a model T.
— BMWnumber1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:28:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12

I have been watching this thread with some curiosity. I recall the ambivalence that was inherent in the thread when the new 7-series was introduced. It appears that now there is firm resolve on this issue, for everyone seems to agree with but a few poster's views. Then again, perhaps I am wrong and something else is going on.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 1:32:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5

LOL.

Accuso te peccati- asinus asinum fricat.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 2:54:47 PM | | Votes: -5

Funny how I was deboosted for stating the facts about this car not being a "technological marvel". Using terms like this shows an obvious bias for a brand. That's all. The Tesla,Porsche 959, Nissan GTR, etc, were "technological marvels" not this. It is a fine car but let's not exaggerate.
— tkindred (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 2:26:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5

OK, it is a matter of opinion. But please tell me what ground breaking technology is in this car that hasn't been used before?
— tkindred (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 2:29:03 PM | | Votes: -5

I think the proper statement would be "The new 7 series is the first auto maker to sucessfully incorporate all these technologies into ONE beautiful machine".
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 2:31:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

Ok, that is sounding better. :-)
— tkindred (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 2:45:25 PM | | Votes: 11

Oh God, here comes Staar and all of his BMW bashing.
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 3:03:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12

Staar comments = 100% TRASH
— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:24:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12

I am inclined to agree with you on that theoptimisticpessimist.
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:31:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

Staar is just Silver1 with a different username.
Both are trash.
— audirevolution (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 4:54:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

AND michaeltaylor. they all are the same.
— mscottc1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 9:44:24 AM | | Votes: 5

What I like about some older BMW's are the fact they are well balanced driving vehicles with controls that were simple. After having an Acura with all the techno options, I have to say all those things can ruin an otherwise nice car. I think people should ask for the 7-class of autos without the gadgets. I just want have fun going from point A to B. The controls on some economy vehicles like the Corolla are nice and simple.
— g2ok (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 5:02:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

MT,

You're troll-like behaviors are never ending are they?. You think Lexus is a technological marvel don't you? I think Mercedes paved the way for all luxury cars up to the present day. BMW has had some good technologies implemented in their cars as well, so has Lexus. You give no credit to other companies. Toyota isn't the greatest in the world just because they are #1. Keep in mind they are first and foremost an eco-brand. I don't know why some view BMW as an eco brand because the Big 3 of Germany are all used as cabs there but it doesn't dull the image of any of them.
— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:06:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

@agent63

they're just overreacting to the idiot Star who goes around and trash non-german cars especially japs.

— eric113 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 8:40:19 PM | | Votes: -10

It doesn't matter how much technology is in this car, it still looks boring.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:34:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -11

The mighty new BMW 7-Series makes the Lexus LS460 look like a trash can.

:-\
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:36:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

lets ask America what they would choose
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 8:53:59 PM | | Votes: -18

If the BMW 7 series was cheaper than the Lexus LS, then chances are most Americans would go for the BMW.
— ErichHartmann (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 2:47:30 AM | | Votes: 3

silver, here is the answer for you: The New 7 Series.
— America (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 6:49:07 PM | | Votes: 2

If the trash can was a can of WHUPASS!
While better than it's predecessor, it is no E38, as is mentioned in the article.
And it's style is comfortably behind the 460.
Dig the big turbo engine!
DrFill
— DrFill2009 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:44:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7

OMG just sick. I love the 7 series more and more. BMW is going for the kill with this one!!
— uhn2000 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 6:52:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

Lots of haters here. I guess the new 7er is really worrying lots of fanboys...
— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 7:10:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

not even.... Its this dumb as article title that's titled incorrectly!
— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 8:56:46 PM | | Votes: -15

I waaay prefer the S-class and A8. Partly now because of blind BMW fanboys. They've left a real sour taste on this site. That's too bad as I actually like BMWs. In fact, I actually owned a while back.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 8/17/2008 9:25:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5

The good thing about this deboosting button is that you don´t have to scroll so much to read the interesting comments, because the comments of "silver" and "Homer" and "Staars" and other friends of the moron convention are not visible any more after -15. Ha Ha. Good thing autospies!

Can you reduce that to -10 please? It would save us all a lot of time.
— agent507 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 3:52:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

This cars shape doesnt do it for me in the pictures I have been seeing the past 2 months or so. But it just doesnt do it for me...Maybe I need to see it in person people say they changed their minds when they seen it in person. I am a BMW fan and I love their cars M5 hint...hint...you cant base the LS460 to the new 7 until their is a comparison test....period....or in that case any of the big boys. I dont even care about a comparison test with lex,merc,and BMW but what i would like to see is Lexus,BMW,AUDI go after mercedes CL which is the hottest big coupe ever made by a luxury car company. None of the other 3 dont have a car that would match up with the CL. I love BMW's but if I had the money I would get that Mercedes CL over anything Audi,BMW,and Lexus makes
— B7FAN (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 8:13:39 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

who cares about these features the car is ugly...Give me a S class, the Technology in that is more than the averager person needs...and sooner or later the Benz will have something better again
— 350zdon17 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 10:24:13 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -11

I only skimmed through the article but where's the technological marvel?

4-wheel steering, been done back in the 80s.
Nightvision, Cadillac beat them.

Most of the hot-air was about how Bangle screwed BMW so they promoted him so he can do less harm (but of course won't admit steeling him from Fiat was a big mistake).

Its good to see there's barely any Bangle in this car.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 10:47:55 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -13

huu76, how many of those technological marvels you do quickly dismiss on the BMW 7 series have been incorporated into one vehicle? Futhermore, how many of those marvels are even used by the other makers now.

— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 11:27:40 AM | | Votes: 9

I'll reserve judgement on the new 7-series until I see it in the flesh ... er, metal.
— Audiphile (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 12:57:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

QuantumMatrix,
LS600hL.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 1:55:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9

At high speeds, the stress on the rear wheels when all 4 tires turn the same way (some call it crab steering) sounds more like an accident waiting to happen.

4 wheel steering will also require getting used to. Chevy dropped their 4wheel steering trucks because nobody wanted it (too awkward).

Nissan-Toyota tried it in the 80s and had the same issues.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 1:58:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -11

But you see huu76, you are speaking about Japaneses and American companies that give up the first time something doesn't work for them.

Everyone trashed BMW for the idrive, but did they give up, did sales suffer, NO... They perservered until perfection.

BMW, often imitated, but never duplicated...

— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 2:28:52 PM | | Votes: 11

Oh yeah, sure... BMW is all about "continuous income stream" i.e. Lease Deals.

I'm glad other makes are not in line to duplicate BMW's ways.
— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 10:04:00 PM | | Votes: -7

And we have a Newbie... Gee, I wonder who this sound like????

MMMMMM.... Wonder who it could be...
— bmwman1963 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 6:41:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

Ha, ha, ha...he is back.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 7:21:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

I am almost 99.99% certain Star..

Get ready for the name calling..
— bmwman1963 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 7:27:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

sounds like MichaelTaylor's brother
— 350zdon17 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 9:41:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

Warm up the tow trucks.
— truthpursuit (View Profile)

Posted on 8/18/2008 7:15:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3

Quantummatrix,
BMW net profits seems to be suffering quite badly. The more cars they give away, the faster they lose money. Genius business plan.

You really are clueless. You know torque-steer with FWD? Guess what happens when all the torques is in the back and the wheels change direction. I'd be amazed if they even tried to bring it to market.

amazinBimmer,
If I were broke, I'd have to settle on a BMW lease because I couldn't afford a Toyota.
I'm sure you lease atleast 75 BMWs, just like everyone else who's unique and special.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 12:08:50 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8

Shows just how clueless you really are huu.. BMW is bringing this to the market.

How many more Lexus Sales Events will there be to shed there excess inventory? BMW builds most of their cars to customers orders and I know for a fact that Lexus cars come as is from the factory. You can order them, but mostly what you see is what you get unless it is located at another dealership.

BMW keeps lower inventories so customers can order the cars the way they want them configured, thus lower on lot inventories.

Lexus drop the price on it's inventories by $$$ thousands $$$$ of dollar per car just to move them off the lot..

GET A CLUE !!!!
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 7:46:45 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

Then again, BMW doesn't have "Big Momma Toyota" to fall back on and cushion it's losses should there be any like Lexus does..

Funny how you never actually see the true bottom line figures for "Lexus" because it is absorbed into Toyota's bottom line.
— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 8:35:15 AM | | Votes: 10

Quantum,
I don't need a clue, I've got facts. By the way, that was original, where'd I see that already?

It's obvious you've been living in a cave the last year. Open you eyes chump, the Germans are dangling every incentive they can think of while Toyota/Lexus role along like there's no recession. Sales for everyone are dropping, but Toyota/Lexus still make the same money per car because they can.

The Germans have lost their prestige when a 760iL qualifies for 0.9% new/1% used financing, its like Christmas everyday at BMW. MB is offering $8,000 rebates on the E. Atleast MB still makes you put a downpayment unlike the Ultimate Poser Machine.

http://www.bmw.ca/content/springSale/springSale_fs.asp?lang=en
http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/index.cfm?id=6159

Canada's economy is still stable, so I'd love to see what else the US BMW dealerships have to do to get someone to even walk into the showroom.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 9:55:17 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7

Oh yeah, there was a forum a while back about BMW's 33% drop in profit eventhough sales volume was the same.

In that article, the BMW guy even clearly stated that if they can't move their bloated used inventory, they'll end up with a net loss for the year.

You're full of crap, go try and learn something. Either that or think of a new name and try your luck with me again chump.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 9:58:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7

No need to huu..

You are just in the "SPIN ZONE" right now.

I think we all know who is right on this subject and it isn't you.

Better go to your nearest Lexus dealer and see how much NEW inventory they have and how many thousands you can get off one if you decide to buy it..

— QuantumMatrix (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 10:19:49 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

Haven't Mercedes S Class put all the mentioned options on their car years ago? I don't know what's big fuss about these options on BMW?

And what's up with Lexus fanboys? Why can't they understand that Germen car buyers today are no longer interested in value rebadged luxury that is over priced?
— 2001W210 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 4:10:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

For some reason Lexus cars just do not look as good to me as BMW or MB. But I guess they have very good quality. I mean, they rank high on quality. So, who knows.

And I think for some reason there are a lot of BMW addicts on this site. Things seem to get a little out of hand when it comes to praise for anything BMW offers.
— tkindred (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 6:25:05 PM | | Votes: 1

7 series is bullet proof - best luxury sedan out there, no question about it.
— SportsCarAdvisor (View Profile)

Posted on 8/19/2008 9:39:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

The 7 series is good but the S class is even better. Man the interiors of S class is jaw dropping especially the dash.
— cls550 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/20/2008 3:00:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

Its clear from this thread that the Spies need to screen members of this board. This thread is an all time low - it reads like an argument from a junior high playground!
— vman1013 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/20/2008 11:42:07 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Lexus makes cars? Wow thats something new. They have ALWAYS copied something. Seems to me that the they couldnt find anything to copy to make the new LS so they just drew a box and put wheels on it (which is practically what it is) Where as this marvel of technology is definately going to make many competitors run back to the drawing board. Honestly the top Luxury cars are the Merc S-class or the 7-series. The Audi is a good attempt and is no doubt an amazing car, however its a swing and miss. Lexus is interesting to sleep in. Entertaining while playing with its high tech toys, while useless when the engine is started. The only interesting thing about Lexus is their dedication to lower carbon emitions through their hybrids. Thats 1 point for Lexus. Sadly no where close to what the S, 7, or A8 scores.
— darzav (View Profile)

Posted on 8/22/2008 1:35:43 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

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