Believe Us Now? Hyundai Stealing 40% Of Genesis Sales From Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche

smokefreak2003-

Isn't amazing how much the hyundai looks like other cars?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 11:25:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

COPY CAT

— Agent004 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 1:46:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Where is the racism?

— LuxuryFan (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 3:59:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

More like Autocists! Hyundai is cheaper than competitors and offers better value, so no big surprise. Hopefully good comes from this and the name brands will offer more value for your money as well :)

— Porschinator (View Profile)

Posted on 1/2/2009 7:34:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

OP,I mean kthor, still strugglin with the colon I see, perhaps you should stop letting people park their beemers in it. Oh that's right, it's bimmers, forgot.

— Kthorn (View Profile)

Posted on 1/4/2009 11:37:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

congrats to hyundai. i personally would still not buy one but it's definitely good to see them step their game up.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 9:37:39 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

Can you explain me, what Porsche?

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 10:17:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

it is not on equal terms of BMW, lexus, mercedes. this article kills me.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 10:22:46 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

One car can not change this company and its image, over night.

— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 10:25:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Anyone considering this car are at least 60 years old and they want it to be their last car.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 11:26:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Hyundai's stir no emotions in me, they never will. It's designed to sell to masses who want something like a Merc without paying the price. Like I said, if you want to drive a knock off car this is for you.

— E36er (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 11:57:19 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

This might actually be the case - as such people who cannot afford a Lexus, BMW or a Merc - were looking for some car of that size (both in engine and physical dimensions) and there came the genesis. This actually boosted the so-called 'Luxury Sedan(of Hyundai)' sales, where as the other genuine luxury marquees - because of the economic downturn - like any other brand/company are facing declining sales. It would not be a write metric to really say that Genesis is actually "stealing" sales! This car might be or might not be good as Hyundai promises - but definitely cannot compete - with any of the categories they claim for - No way it can match a 5er or a GS or an E-class for that matter!

— Bimmer3er (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:07:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Only Korean buy Hyundai!

— E92_M_Power (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:16:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -14   

Lexus has nothing to worry about...this is where Toyota has the option to make their Avalon that much better in terms of styling and price. If they want to go V8 option they should consider dropping the bomb on this Genesis with a Toyota Crown or Century in a more affordable world. This will enable Lexus to become more distinguished in the top teir segment, but of coarse Lexus will too have to step up even more on their styling and performance to complet that task. In the mean time I have my Hyundai Pony & Stellar in "SUPER-MINT" condition so I will run it through Barret-Jackson next year...can't wait!!!!...LMAO!!!

— BigShow50 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:21:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Are these sales figures supposed to be impressive? Sales of 5,000 units in a 5-6 month time frame for a mid-level-priced "luxury" car is not that extraordinary. If it truly were priced against its perceived targets of S-class, LS, and 7-Series, then that would be impressive. The new Acura TL sold over 3000 units in November alone (considering the price point, it's a fair comparison).

Considering how much advertising dollars Hyundai has spent for the Genesis sedan, I would imagine that this project will be in the red for many years.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:31:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I would have more respect for Hundia if they made this car as a cheap knockoff of the Bentley Sedans.

Insted they chose to do a knockoff of the Grand Marquis and charge 3x more, and don't offer a standard V8.

Ford was the pioneer since the 70s to build Large Sedans for a working person's budget.

Hundia has mucked up this segment. If there competition forced Ford to compete I would welcome it, but Ford will probably just give the segment away like they did with Minivans.

Now everyone will have to pay more money to buy a business sedan they intend to use for work.

The Chysler 300 messed up up the affordable sedan segment as well. Too many hands in the pie.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:36:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -10   

40% of nuffin', is NUFFIN'!
4th straight year of sales decline for Hyundai, BTW
DrFill

— TheRealDrFill (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:38:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hyundai and Porsche should never be in the same sentence. This article is bogus.

— adamsaf723 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:41:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

I'll say this, if Hundia goes after the high end Mercedes Diesel Sedans, and they mass produce a RWD Diesel Flagship with DC gearbox, then Hundia will seriously get my undivided attention.

But to show me a Gasoline sedan with some gizmos like a nav screen, independent rear suspension and charge me more for a bag of bells and whistles, then there is no compelling reason to change.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:45:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Haima 3 - best C segment for price, quite similar to Mazda 3 becouse they wanted to do it conservative, company logo is also similar to Mazda becouse they wanted to do it conservative:
http://www.haima.com/2006/english2007/haima3.asp

In the same way Genesis is also conservative. And its badge is similar to Bentley's becouse it's conservative:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123817

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 7:05:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

If Hyundai really made a competitive vehicle(Not talking about price, but the vehicle itself) then I would be interested in it.

I couldn't care less about what the car dumb Americans "perceive". Perception isn't what makes the car actually perform.

Perception can sometimes be complete BS. It all depends on that individual person's perception. And in this case (as in most cases), what car dumb Americans perceive as being the best car isn't the best car.

Perception sometimes leads to false pride. That False Pride leads to Fanboi'ism. And before you know it you have Morons claiming that the Hyundai is superior than BMW/MB based off of false perceptions. Nice!

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:04:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Smokefreak
Look it up!
No sales increases for 4 years!
Hyundai has wet dreams about being Scion, much Toyota
DrFill

— TheRealDrFill (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:20:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

This post is garbage. The link doesn't even talk about Hyundai. It's about Neilson ratings. As long as the car looks like it doesn't know what it wants to be, the Hyundai Genesis will never take 40% of any car maker's sales.

— 3pointstar (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:37:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

there's no data to support that statement. can you please post some facts?

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 6:25:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

There is no denying Hyundai is on a very strong roll.

— tecnopolis (View Profile)

Posted on 12/31/2008 7:42:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

E92,
Are you kidding? Koreans won't touch anything unless the brand is from somewhere else. They'll only drive Korean because they have to.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/1/2009 12:57:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I would be interested in knowing exactly what is being traded in for these cars. Any Hyundai salesman out there?

— scottyroberts (View Profile)

Posted on 1/1/2009 2:22:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I can't see them taking any sales from the Germans.

But since a Lexus is bought by someone happy to get a discounted copy of "the real thing" (a solid, safe German car with good handling) then its logical that the Korean imitation of a German sedan, offered at a lower price, will steal sales from the Japanese imitation of a German sedan.

(And I'll be able to count the Lexus fans by my de-boost count ... :)

— DieselRules (View Profile)

Posted on 1/1/2009 3:04:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

VW Golfs had Internet access over 5 years ago.
The BlueTooth keyboard was stored in the glove-box.
And you could use your PDA to check things like fuel level from within your home if your car was parked nearby.

Much of the technology in Europe isn't offered in the US.
Same with some of the Japanese technology.
Possibly because the US has the lowest car prices globally?

— DieselRules (View Profile)

Posted on 1/2/2009 2:41:30 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Although not a huge threat to Mercedes, BMW, Audi and even Lexus. Still Lexus needs to be more aware of Hyundai's moves. With poor economy, those who forked out that extra money to get a Lexus may consider something less expensive to cope with the downfall. Not every Lexus driver has a lot of money. Some moved on up from being previous Toyota customers.

Hyundai's doing a great job with their marketing and a good number have converted. To many of us a Hyundai is an inferior car brand but never say never. Congrats to them!

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/2/2009 7:22:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Agent 009,
No I don't believe you. I have searched for the facts and can't seem to find them. I clicked on the link to read the article and it was about "real media riffs" and the Nielson company. So please forgive me for asking for facts but how did you arrive at the 40% conquest figure? In a market that is trending down, and a car launched as a first generation model, how exactly did you arrive at the 40% figure? Not challenging the veracity of your claim, just want to educate myself. Thank you.

— scottyroberts (View Profile)

Posted on 1/2/2009 1:24:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Ummmmm, Smokefreak2003 I had to re-read my post cause you lost me. My reference to quality was not directed at Hyundai, not at all, I'm sorry you feel I gozzed on you.

My reference was directed at the german brands and how in the survey below their best finish was 7th, and depending on how you view Jaguar (Ford), BMW is the only european line in the top ten.

Most Reliable Cars - 2008 Edition

According to the recently released J.D. Power & Associates list of the most reliable cars of 2008, Lexus is the most dependable automotive brand. In fact, it wasn’t even that close, with Lexus logging over 20% fewer complaints per vehicle as compared to runner-up Mercury. The top ten list follows:

1st. Lexus (asian import)
2nd. Mercury (domestic)
3rd. Cadillac(domestic)
4th. Toyota (asian import)
5th. Acura (asian import)
6th. Buick (domestic)
7th. BMW (european)
8th. Lincoln (domestic)
9th. Honda (asian import)
10th. Jaguar (domestic/european)

So once again I'm sorry if you feel I attacked you, but that was not the intention.

— Kthorn (View Profile)

Posted on 1/2/2009 9:28:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Yup, killed him off. This is so much more fun....... Of course no one will mistake me for you, or will they? I guess we'll see. After reading all of your posts and contributions I must say I am impressed. You are a genius, pure genius.

— Kthorn (View Profile)

Posted on 1/3/2009 11:54:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Korean culture and industry is just a copy of Japanese culture and industry. If you want to know what the Koreans will do in a year or two, just look at what Japan has already done.

Industry - Japan went into manufacturing, finance and research.
Korea - has got the manufacturing but lacks financing and the research is limited to charging less for what's already out there.

Culture - Japan got into baseball, golf, music and even exported its own culture abroad.
Korea - has now followed Japan into all these areas except they've adopted some Japanese culture.

Until Hyundai does something on its own rather than just copying Japan (Lexus has its own design style now, not some hodge podge of 9 different makers), it'll always be the discounted brand (lower prices and 0% financing).

As for quality, sorry, I rarely ever see a Hyundai older than 6 years on the road. When was the last time someone saw a last gen Santa Fe or the SCoupe? I still see quad headlamp Celicas and Landcruisers driving around.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/3/2009 12:13:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It's just a copy of the 5er combined with a Benz- and not even a good copy. I guess if a person wants to try to fool themselves it'ld be ok- but it'll never be anything more than a cheap knock off of the real thing.

— pushrodv8 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/4/2009 5:32:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

smokefreak,
I see a decent number of new Santa Fes and Tucsons so its not because of gas prices. I live fairly close to Toronto and we have Hyundai dealershps even closer so Hyundai's aren't exactly rare around here.
I actually don't see as many Tiburons anymore as I used to. My cousin got one the first year it came out, sunroof got stuck halfway during the first week because of some bad electrical.

Hyundai can copy Toyota/Honda designs but they still don't last as long. If their best cars come to N.America, they still have a long way to go.

Japan is the world leader in robotics, Korea's big claim to fame turned out to be a genetics fraud.

I honestly don't know why Korea has such a hard-on for Japan.
Conservative eh? Do Koreans still give everything to the first born son and leave the rest of their kids high and dry?

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 1/5/2009 12:09:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Hey Kthor (or ObesePig whatever you're going by these days) If your colon is still killing you turn around and see if you have a BMW service writer sticking out of your ass... If you do this is the first indication your full maint program has expired.

— Kthorn (View Profile)

Posted on 1/5/2009 1:12:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1