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Cadillac Says It Now Has To Have A Mini Competitor
Want a clear sign that the '80s are coming back? Even luxury cars may be getting downsized.

Take General Motors (GM). Right now, the company's designers and product planners are toying with a project called the micro-premium car. If GM builds such a pint-sized, top-shelf car, it would face off against the likes of the Mini Cooper, the BMW 1-series, and the Audi A3.

Throw in the fact that GM, Ford Motor (F), and others are using smaller engines in their luxury cars, and it's clear that the newly approved fuel economy rules and $100-a-barrel oil are making a deep impact on how Americans will drive, even rich Americans.

"They're doing the right thing," says John Wolkonowicz, analyst with Waltham (Mass.)-based Global Insight. "It's in keeping with the new reality."

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Agent009Agent009 - 1/11/2008 2:16:10 PMView My AgentSpace
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I think your crack pipe just went out.

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OblivObliv - 1/11/2008 2:28:51 PM
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3rd rate? So that would make BMW/Mercedes/audi 3rd rate as well?

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r15mohdr15mohd - 1/11/2008 2:34:21 PM
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the agents need to get rid of you already...your annoying and have no logical sense of what this board is about and fail to represent it.

go outside and play in some traffic...hopefully you'll see how well crafted a cadillac is then.

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/11/2008 2:07:59 PM
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Bad Idea. The CTS is brilliant but they don't need another Cimmaron.

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pacotacololpacotacolol - 1/11/2008 3:40:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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Caddilac is doing the best now. why change??


exgmerexgmer - 1/12/2008 12:26:36 AM
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The problem with Cimmaron was that it was rebadged Cavalier (plus leather ooo...). I think GM understands that screw up all to well. It had nothing to do with the size of the vehicle.


1995e341995e34 - 1/11/2008 2:33:30 PM
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as long as its rwd, they can do no wrong. i know we struggle to imagine a good small caddy, but this is 2008, and if they make it more in line with the 1-series and a3 rather than the mini, it has a chance.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 1/11/2008 2:34:25 PM
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The CTS (in all of its proposed variants: coupe/wagon/cabio) are as 'entry level as Cadillac should contemplate venturing.

End Of Story!

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M35MTM35MT - 1/11/2008 3:50:43 PMView My AgentSpace
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to stay true to their game, yes.


VISOVISO - 1/11/2008 5:00:57 PM
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Furthermore, Cadillac is no where in the same global position as Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. Even Lexus does better than Cadillac in Europe. And you know that ain't saying much.

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chris760chris760 - 1/11/2008 8:29:00 PM
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i thought that there were only annoying lexus fanboys but i guess i was wrong

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ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 1/11/2008 3:20:17 PM
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Bad idea for Caddy. Remember the Catera...

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1995e341995e34 - 1/11/2008 3:21:28 PM
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the catera became the cts


DaHarderDaHarder - 1/11/2008 3:56:58 PM
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As a matter of FACT, CTS actually stands for:

CATERA TOURING SEDAN

Note:

STS = Seville Touring Sedan

DTS = DeVille Touring Sedan


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 1/11/2008 5:29:11 PM
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yea, but it doesnt mean it was a good seller...


lewishamiltonpimplewishamiltonpimp - 1/12/2008 7:28:15 AM
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And the Catera was basically an Omega.


DROOPYSAKKDROOPYSAKK - 1/11/2008 3:32:10 PM
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they can pull a saab, and re-work a wrx. that would be sick.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 1/11/2008 4:04:32 PM
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Not if it retains one single line, curve, window, scoop, wheel, door handle, radio button, head lamp, and on and on...

From the Aesthetic Abomination that is the Subaru WRX!


1995e341995e34 - 1/11/2008 4:12:03 PM
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they don't own scoobie anymore though.


M35MTM35MT - 1/11/2008 3:43:37 PMView My AgentSpace
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I think it would be a good idea for Infiniti to get into this game too. They could undercut the 1-series on price. A turbo 4 (SR20DET) would be a reliable, powerful engine. Basically a TSX (or slightly smaller, maybe just a coupe) but RWD and with the now-recognizable and attractive Infiniti styling.

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1995e341995e34 - 1/11/2008 4:12:53 PM
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an infiniti 240sx?


pushrod27pushrod27 - 1/11/2008 4:00:32 PM
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I think its a bad idea for Cadillac. The European luxury brands can get away with those micro cars because they aren't considered strictly luxury brands in Europe. They are full-line automakers with a lot of entry level models that don't make it to the states. Cadillac is a luxury brand.

There is absolutely nothing luxurious about a small car. Luxury requires size for a comfortable interior and a suitably imposing exterior.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 1/11/2008 4:09:44 PM
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BMW knew this all too well, which is why, with the exception of owning/developing the Mini line, the vehicle shares nothing with any of its BMW brethren...

Most Notably - The BMW Brand Name

Additionally: Cadillac is not in the same position as BMW was, in having an highly regarded nameplate (Mini Cooper) to place on its mini car.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/12/2008 11:25:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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"There is absolutely nothing luxurious about a small car. Luxury requires size for a comfortable interior and a suitably imposing exterior."

Your handle says it all. You have a very American mindset... tunnel vision. You can't see past the size of the car, and look at the features it will most likely have.

For instance, my A3 is certainly a luxury car. It's very fast, has a top-notch interior, a good sound system, a double sunroof, xenons, heated leather seats, dual-zone climate control, 17" rims, an advanced dual-clutch transmission... I could go on. The same is true of the BMW 1 Series. Just because they're small, it doesn't mean they're not premium.


chuck717chuck717 - 1/11/2008 4:41:11 PM
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If anything it doesn't even sound right, I'm going down to a Cadillac dealer to look at a mini? I wish these people would just improve on the cars they have and stop trying to be everything to everybody???

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DaHarderDaHarder - 1/11/2008 5:01:01 PM
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I really wouldn't take this thread's headline as much more than internet/blog sensationalism...


pushrod27pushrod27 - 1/11/2008 6:27:30 PM
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If GM thinks a small mini-type car is what they need to compete, why can't it be badged as a Chevy or a Saturn? If it's a really good world-class car, you don't need the Cadillac name to sell it. No matter how good it turns out, a car this small can't do anything positive for Cadillac as a brand.

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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 1/12/2008 11:28:04 AMView My AgentSpace
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I think they're thinking of developing a PREMIUM smaller luxury car (e.g. not a Chevy)...
Why should the Cadillac brand only compete in the 2 ton and above categories?


AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 1/12/2008 11:25:24 AMView My AgentSpace
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In general, I think smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient cars is a good idea..
Finding alternative power sources to OIL would be even a better idea.

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c36amgc36amg - 1/12/2008 12:09:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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whats the name

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HyundaiHyundai - 1/12/2008 5:43:48 PM
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Snoop Doggie Doooo-oooog..... ?


alsarea3alsarea3 - 1/13/2008 7:28:07 AM
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What about the BLS ?

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BMW995BMW995 - 1/13/2008 11:53:04 AM
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My mother had a Cimmaron and with the fairly powerful V6 it was kind of fun to drive.

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BMW995BMW995 - 1/13/2008 11:56:55 AM
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For those that don't think Cadillac should produce a luxury mini-sized car...What if we have an oil supply crises with $4.50, $5.00+/gal gasoline? It will make a lot of sense then.

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1995e341995e34 - 1/13/2008 4:43:17 PM
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it's on the way (the crisis)


huu76huu76 - 1/13/2008 2:08:26 PM
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Why? We don't need more speedbumps on our roads.

I suppose if they do want to go downmarket with the Germans, then rebadge the Solstice. It's not like the Mini and 1 series are true 4 seaters anyway.

I'd rather see a smaller engine in the CTS.

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huu76huu76 - 1/13/2008 2:10:28 PM
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Better yet, make a CTS-hybrid using the 2.4L Ecotec. Less gas, less emissions, about 4x the space.

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