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Demand is high for VW Jetta TDI despite diesel prices
You would think new car buyers would be hesitant to go diesel, which is approaching $5 a gallon, but Volkswagen dealers are saying that customers are rushing in to grab the first batch of the new 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI. The cars don’t go on sale until late August, but many dealers say that they already have enough orders for their 2008 allocation.

Besides an attractive price tag of $22,640 and a better fuel-economy, dealers say that customers are attracted to the reliability of a diesel and the type of performance you can’t get from hybrids like the Prius.

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Demand is high for VW Jetta TDI despite diesel prices



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EnnNorakEnnNorak - 7/14/2008 2:13:31 PM
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The days of noisy smelly diesels is long gone. Hybrids have an expensive battery pack with limited energy storage and battery replacement cost is prohibitive. Diesels offer really high torque for acceleration and pulling power as well as unsurpassed cruising range. Diesel fuel price will tumble once we stop shipping our surplus diesel fuel to Europe. Microbial processes for producing cheap biodiesel from non-food plants are just around the corner. DIESEL LIVES - HYBRID DIES!

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truckmentruckmen - 7/14/2008 2:56:32 PM
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One thing is for sure is the present hybrids that are currently available to us suck! Under powered and in efficient not to mention expensive. When you see the capabilities of how a hybrid can be done you will eat your words I guarantee it! For an example google PML, there mini cooper that they converted to a hybrid produces 640 BHP and the batteries last for four hour, and once the batteries run out the car acquires 80mpg with the generator running! I doubt the governments will ever allow this, they would miss too much money in taxes.Electric motors have more torque than diesels.


AudiphileAudiphile - 7/14/2008 2:16:05 PM
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Per-gallon diesel prices in Richmond, Virginia are currently about $0.65 higher (or 16.1% higher) than for regular gasoline, but only $0.41 higher (or 9.6% higher) than for premium. I frankly was afraid that the current high diesel fuel prices would scare consumers off. But the strong sales for the Jetta TDI indicate that consumers still see benefits of modern diesel technology.

This is good news for Audi, BMW, Honda & Mercedes-Benz, who are planning to introduce diesel-powered cars in 2009 and 2010.

I also notice that the price difference between gasoline and diesel fuel is slowly shrinking, from $0.50 per gallon in April to $0.41 per gallon in July. More good news.



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michal1980michal1980 - 7/14/2008 2:25:59 PM
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There are reasons for this:

1) ultra low shipping volumes,
2) a very low tdi following

Initial sales should be high, I'm wondering what happens in a few months once that inital demand from the diesel cult dies.



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Agent009Agent009 - 7/14/2008 3:34:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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VW Diesel sales have always been high. Typically 30% of all Jettas sold have been TDI over the last few years.


DieselRulesDieselRules - 7/14/2008 3:42:14 PM
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In Canada, over 50% of VW sales are TDI in models where its available.
The old style Jetta Wagon was only sold as a TDI because of low demand for gas-engines.


amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 7/14/2008 3:20:37 PM
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"....vw dealers are saying..."

what a joke. Is there a lower form of life?... spaghetti? Germanut?

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jpighettijpighetti - 7/14/2008 4:27:54 PM
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Nope. That's as low as it goes. Right under genocidal dictators, rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, cult leaders, stock market swindlers, and AmazinBimmers, you'll find who?

That's right folks, VW dealers.

Not all car dealers though! Nay, nay! Just VW dealers. Not that BMW dealer that sold the M3 on Ebay and refused to honor the transaction. Won't find them anywhere. Nope, just VW dealers. The lowest form of life on the planet.

Come on. Do you really type this stuff with a straight face?

Loser.


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 7/14/2008 6:55:09 PM
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Did he mean just VW dealers, or car dealers in general? I havent much experience with VW pushers, but after a weekend (wasted) of shopping with a female friend at 3 different brand-pushers, I'd have to agree, they are pretty low on the scum scale.




jpighettijpighetti - 7/14/2008 7:26:22 PM
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No he's just an ass clown.

Car dealers have a bad rep and it's worse in the mass market (chevy toyota etc) than high end (BMW Porsche) in most cases. There's a lot of people on here who own, manage, or work at car dealerships. Vent your frustration or ask questions and I'm sure we'd be happy to lend some insight. My dealership runs 97 - 100% customer satisfation month in and month out in sales and service. We have 8 model lines form Ford to Porsche and I don't tolerate dishonesty form my salesmen. There are plenty of good dealers, but the shady, stuck-in-the-80's car dealers give the rest of us a bad name.


DieselRulesDieselRules - 7/14/2008 3:40:59 PM
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Diesel is 5 cents/liter (20 cents/gallon) cheaper than regular at some stations around Vancouver, but still too high (we're paying $1.50 a liter for regular ... almost $6 per US Gallon!)

Both Audis are for sale.
My wife's getting the TDI wagon with DSG, and I'm having a ball on a Yamaha Majesty getting about 75 MPG, and nasty looks from the Harley riders that I pass :)

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amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 7/14/2008 6:13:28 PM
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spaghetti. how may POS fwd cars did you sell today... how many times did you blatantly lie to a customer by telling them "this is the lowest I can go, or....what can you afford?".. how many rust protection jobs did you sell, or 150 dollar floor mats.

you tell me, assw*pe, whos the loser..

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jpighettijpighetti - 7/14/2008 7:21:30 PM
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Hey there!

thanks for asking. We sold 0 FWD cars, 4 AWD cars, 2 RWD cars, and a camper (a no wheel drive vehicle).

I guess I don't get how asking someone what they can afford equates to lying to them...

Apparently, whatever the "lowest I could go" was lower than the competitive quotes I beat, so they were happy, even though I truthfully had a little meore room in each deal if I needed it.

We don't sell rust protection and the floormats come with the cars at no additional charge. Unless you want rubber all-weather ones. Those are about $80 for OEM.

What was the last question? Oh right. You're the loser. Remember?

Any other stupid questions? Wow, that was a stupid question on my part! Of course you've got more stupid questions. I'm ready when you are geek. I think we're entertaining a lot of people here.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/14/2008 7:57:27 PM
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I agree. VWs are just so unreliable and useless. Get a Toyota instead. More reliable, better value, better design and better in everything else.

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audirevolutionaudirevolution - 7/15/2008 9:30:30 PM
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The Jetta is highly recommended by your beloved consumerreports magazine.. Trolls.

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huu76huu76 - 7/14/2008 8:40:20 PM
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Okay.

Same price, poorer mileage, worse emissions, costlier fuel and same 0-60 as a Prius. What exactly is this performance they're talking about? Is it the tow 5000lbs with a chassis that can only handle 1500lbs type of performance?

What was 2008's allocation, 5 per dealership?

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chewychewy - 7/15/2008 12:33:44 AMView My AgentSpace
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Don't worry, the Jetta TDI will be quicker than the Prius. And the Jetta TDI is tons cleaner than your polluter of a Jeep.

The EPA figures only tell half the story. The average diesel driver gets 18% more mpgs than what the EPA label says.


huu76huu76 - 7/14/2008 8:42:16 PM
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dieselrules,
Just north of the GTA, gasoline is $129.9 and diesel is $146.9/L.

You don't see that many new TDIs around here, see plenty more hybrids though. Can't recall the last time I saw a Bluetec anything.

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chewychewy - 7/15/2008 12:54:42 AMView My AgentSpace
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A potential customer can do their own math. In my area of the US, ULSD is only 14% more than regular and only 8% more than premium.

The Jetta TDI gets 42% better EPA combined than the gas 2.5 while giving up little in performance. In the real world, you will likely see an even greater fuel economy advantage when comparing the two.

An educated buyer can buy the diesel if the numbers work out for them.


audirevolutionaudirevolution - 7/15/2008 9:55:58 PM
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Yes. All 2009 models will come with it.

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huu76huu76 - 7/17/2008 6:54:01 PM
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Chewy,
You mean better fuel economy when you're idling in traffic or crawling around in the city?

The only time diesel drivers see diesels true benefit is if they drive from Toronto to Montreal. All highway, no congestion.

The potential customer will see their diesel costs the same as a hybrid but they lose out in every other category, and that's vs the current hybrids, not the next gen ones.

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huu76huu76 - 7/17/2008 7:00:02 PM
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chewy,
btw, my Jeep's engine is twice the size as the new 2009 Jetta diesel and is twice as dirty. Imagine that, its amazing how ratios work eh?

Now, the Prius' engine is 1/3 the size of my Jeep yet is less than 1/4 as dirty.

Then you have the V8 Touerag, basically same size engine but the design is 20 years newer. Same mileage, same emissions, same CO footprint. That's pretty impressive German engineering, they matched what the Americans did in 1988.

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