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Do Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes And The Other Usual Suspects Need To Build An Answer To The BMW 1-Series?
Will real-life performance numbers rivaling cars like the Porsche 911 for half the price, the new BMW 1-Series is one compelling new car.

And with gas prices out of sight and everyone's mindset leaning towards downsizing, it couldn't be coming a better.

So in  our eyes, it's a given that it's going to sell well.

And they will broaden the offering over time with more model choices and configurations.

That HAS to have all the premium competitors jealous because NO ONE has a TRUE competitor in their product lines.

So we want to know, do Lexus and the other usual suspects need an answer to this new emerging segment?

And we're not talking about a lame C-Class coupe or some other vehicle as exciting as two fat girls kissing.

We're talking about a pocket rocket armed with KILLER performance and badass image.

That's what the new 1-Series has added to the mix.

Something like an I350 or I37.

Chime in with your thoughts on the subject...
Do Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes And The Other Usual Suspects Need To Build An Answer To The BMW 1-Series?



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EL34EL34 - 3/29/2008 1:46:34 PM
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Doesn't the IS250 really compete with the 1-Series with it's smallish interior :-?

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Agent001Agent001 - 3/29/2008 1:52:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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I said KILLER performance rivaling a Porsche 911 for half the price...An IS250 is nowhere near that kind of performance.

MT just tested the 135i... 4.7 seconds 0-60, 13.3 quarter mile

That's the new benchmark if you ask us...

001


EL34EL34 - 3/29/2008 2:32:47 PM
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Wow, that is amazing :-)

Thanks 001 for the info.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 3/29/2008 3:58:19 PM
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Infiniti already has a 1-Series competitor, the G37. It's just a lot slower. But same size and price.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 3/29/2008 5:14:08 PM
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and Mercedes still needs to come up with a 3-Series class coupe/convertible (because no, the ridiculously overpriced CLK doesn't) before they start worrying about the 1-Series...


qweasdzxcqweasdzxc - 3/29/2008 5:49:57 PM
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Hey Stupid: You might as well count in BMW's own 650.

It's just a lot slower. But same interior size and way more pricier.


kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 8:03:35 PM
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Who is the stupid one? "more pricier" lmao


qweasdzxcqweasdzxc - 3/29/2008 10:07:47 PM
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Did they forget to teach you an English, 'sarcasm'?

I understand some people just don't have the brain to comprehend it.


qweasdzxcqweasdzxc - 3/29/2008 10:10:21 PM
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Agent 001, you forgot to mention EVO and STI. Those're the real competitors.


daydaydayday - 3/30/2008 2:18:50 AM
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qweasdzxc:
they not really in the same category with 135i.
they are more like pure sport car instead of luxury sport car.
but i DO really wanna see a comparison test of them : )


qweasdzxcqweasdzxc - 3/30/2008 8:25:47 PM
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I'd agree w/ you on EVO 9 or last STI, however as they grow I'm not sure if they are that pure anymore. 3500 lb EVO? Can you imagine? Plus if you throw a LSD on 135 I'd think it can compete on dry pavement.


VISOVISO - 3/29/2008 1:49:16 PM
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In Europe you have the S3 which does quite well.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 3:00:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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I remember an article claiming that the S3 beat the Lancer Evo IX around the track. That's pretty awesome.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:40:22 PM
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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 3:43:52 PMView My AgentSpace
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You have no clue of what you're talking about.


CarboyCarboy - 3/29/2008 5:02:13 PMView My AgentSpace
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Michael Taylor Audi's are usually have the Audi Quattro system. Having a S3 without the Quattro System is like have a Ferrari with no five way traction control.


RupertRupert - 3/29/2008 5:58:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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The Lancer is FWD based...
And the S3 is a great car, and quattro equipped.


abcdabcd - 3/29/2008 6:04:00 PM
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S4cabriofoxone:
"I remember an article claiming that the S3 beat the Lancer Evo IX around the track"
Carboy:
"Audi's are usually have the Audi Quattro system"
there is no way that audi s3 is faster then lancer evo equipped with AYC(active yaw control) . audi`s quattro is simply much worser AWD system than mistubishi`s active diffs(torque vectoring not only between the axles but also rear wheels) . that why mitsubishi lancer evolution is so fast around corners and generates lateral g larger then audi equipped with quattro and other cars with AWD .


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 6:26:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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Look, I didn't just pull that out of my ass. Go look it up. It was some sort of British magazine.


TargaTarga - 3/29/2008 6:59:52 PM
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Audi's quattro system is by far better than anything Mitsu puts out. It is the best AWD system there is with the Torsen (think I spelled that right).


abcdabcd - 3/30/2008 6:48:32 AM
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Targa:
"Audi's quattro system is by far better than anything Mitsu puts out. It is the best AWD system there is with the Torsen (think I spelled that right)."

you are joking ,right? so why do you think audi in new A4 and A5 , will change their AWD system for torque vectoring system from ricardo and ZF(bmw X6) similar to mitsubishi`s in lancer evo and honda sh-awd :

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4225886.html

learn before you write .


abcdabcd - 3/30/2008 6:50:29 AM
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Torque vectoring - the future of AWD:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/14/torque-vectoring-the-future-of-awd/


DROOPYSAKKDROOPYSAKK - 3/29/2008 2:06:35 PM
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i think we have to see how the 1 sells before we crown it the new benchmark.

i love it, and i think it will be a hit, but if it bombs do Lexus and infinit need to build an answer?

that being said, the more affordable hi performance cars the better!

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1995e341995e34 - 3/29/2008 3:13:55 PM
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how could it possibly bomb? seriously.


bagwellbagwell - 4/4/2008 8:32:41 AM
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O V E R P R I C E D !!!!


Designer1Designer1 - 3/29/2008 2:09:55 PM
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If Infiniti makes a smaller version of the GT-R, and Lexus a smaller version of the LF-A, they will be good competitors to this. Well, I might's spoke too fast, no one know how the LF-A performs. But you got the idea.

I'm personally looking into the IS250 due to gas prices, but I don't like small cars that's the problem.

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Agent001Agent001 - 3/29/2008 2:24:02 PMView My AgentSpace
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And of course you'll read it here first!

001

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bagwellbagwell - 4/4/2008 8:33:53 AM
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good one Xero !!

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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 2:19:12 PM
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goochgooch - 3/29/2008 2:49:58 PM
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Where do people like you come from? Seriously...


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:05:14 PM
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kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 3:07:24 PM
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"I'm blown away by this little stealth fighter. I can't recall another car that's been more surprising to drive; I expected the 135i to offer solid performance, but it's breathtakingly quick. Refined, too-it's a bona-fide BMW. Direct and communicative steering feel, bags of grip. An absolute blast to drive." Motor Trend

Get a BMW 5 Series and spank the smug right out those prius drivers.


kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 3:08:16 PM
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Toyota Prius proves a gas guzzler in a race with the BMW 520d

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:12:55 PM
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MattBMattB - 3/29/2008 3:44:06 PM
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No, the Prius is NOT a 1-series competitor. Competing models are generally targeted at the same or similar market segments. The 1-series and the Prius appeal to completely different market segments. The 1-series is far more performance oriented than the Prius, whereas the Prius has a fuel efficiency advantage. 1-series buyers are not going to compare it against a Prius and vice versa.


vman1013vman1013 - 3/30/2008 7:30:59 PM
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Michael Taylor - How about this, I've driven a Prius and the only thing of value is the gas mileage. And to be honest if you try to drive it fast you don't get great mileage!

The Prius feels like you're driving in a tin can. At speeds over 80 it shakes wildly. The interior is below average and the car doesn't look good at all.

There is no way anyone in their right mind could compare a Prius to a 1-Series. You can't even compare it to a Jetta! Its more on par with a Ford Focus.


0to600to60 - 3/29/2008 2:25:34 PM
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LyallLyall - 3/29/2008 2:31:32 PM
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Hey 001- What's wrong with 2 fat girls kissing? When you were all over the GMC Acadia last month- you didn't look all that svelte yourself. Keep your auto-similies non-sexist, will you.

And on a 135 competitor. The damn thing weighs only 130 lbs less than the 335- which can actually carry 4 comfortably. It ges the same mimleage- so what's with this dumb reference to fuel economy?

If it weighed 3000lbs flat- and not 3430 (vs 3570 for a 335i 4 door) I'd talk about competition being necessary. Nobody wants a 2 door G35 that weighs in at 3500lbs. Unless its you- the svelte.

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Agent001Agent001 - 3/29/2008 3:21:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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Noting wrong with fat girls kissing, just not exciting ;)

001


Designer1Designer1 - 3/30/2008 2:39:43 AM
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yuck! can we change the subject back to girls please? lol


Designer1Designer1 - 3/30/2008 2:40:11 AM
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I meant CARS. lool


investor27investor27 - 3/29/2008 2:43:31 PM
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I hope Motor Trend will be more specific as to how they managed the 4.7s 0-60 mph, so the feat can be replicated. No one who has tested the 135i (and there were a lot of magazines and internet sites) has been able to record that time (consistently or not).

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BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 3/29/2008 4:17:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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Wrong ... Car & driver tested the 135 coupe at 4.7 seconds to 60 mph ... May 2008 Issue


goochgooch - 3/29/2008 2:53:41 PM
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BMWs competitors will try, but as has been proven for generation after generation, the only company in the world that can make a BMW is ... drum roll... BMW. Infiniti comes closest, but Lexus won't build a car smaller than the IS (brand image); Mercedes won't bring theirs over (image) and Audi won't bring over the S3. The 1 series is a class of one, depending how you option it. If you spec it to close to the price of a 335i, there's really no reason to get it (unless you just really want one).

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t_bonet_bone - 3/29/2008 2:57:32 PM
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There's an interesting pattern here of size inflation. The new 1 series is really just the size of what an old early 90's E30 3 series used to be, perhaps even larger. Same with all the other makers. With higher gas prices and people finally starting to come around to the fact that lightness is the mojo that makes cars fun, not just horsepower, I'd like to see more small sedans to compete with the 1.

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kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 3:26:30 PM
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The 1 Series is bigger than the E36 3 Series. Nobody whined about that car.


huu76huu76 - 3/29/2008 2:58:17 PM
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How long have the STi, Evo and other high performance, affordable vehicles been out and suddenly BMW is the benchmark because some marketing guy says so.

As usual, BMW is late to the party.

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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:01:26 PM
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kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 3:22:04 PM
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BMW invented the "Sport Sedan" concept in the 1960's.

"In 1962 BMW introduced its 1500 family sedan that featured a 4-cylinder overhead-camshaft engine, disk brakes in front and independent suspension on all 4 wheels. The renowned Autobahn with its unlimited speeds influenced the company to delve into performance. The 1500 model became the 2002 sports sedan and was the forerunner to the larger 6-cylinder Bavaria and the Ferrari looking 3.0 CS coupe. That 2002 model marked the beginning of the most successful automotive line ever, the BMW 3 Series. "



MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:24:23 PM
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kthorkthor - 3/29/2008 3:28:18 PM
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Thanks MichaelTroller. Check "Unbeatable BMW" by Jeremy Walton. You can buy it on Amazon.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:32:26 PM
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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 3:35:35 PMView My AgentSpace
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What a loser.


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 3:38:01 PMView My AgentSpace
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The only thing the LS600h is doing is adding extra horsepower to the LS. It doesn't do anything "special" for the environment, unless it substituted the displacement size of the engine for the extra HP gain which it does not.




MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:38:37 PM
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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:39:25 PM
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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:39:26 PM
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MattBMattB - 3/29/2008 5:02:07 PM
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People who own Priuses love to talk about how green they are. But what about the nickel-cadmium battery that they contain? Because of these NiCad batteries, the overall environmental footprint of a Prius is a lot larger than many would think.


abcdabcd - 3/29/2008 6:21:28 PM
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huu76:
"How long have the STi, Evo and other high performance, affordable vehicles been out and suddenly BMW is the benchmark because some marketing guy says so."
yea that true . difference is that sti , evo are AWD but they cost similar . lancer evo is still unbeatable benchmark in speed around corners , lateral g . sti and evo have of course worser quality of interior then 135i but who buy such cars for interior quality .



JUGNUJUGNU - 3/29/2008 3:39:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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I think Toyota's rumoured upcoming affordable sports models (joint venture with subaru) will rival 1 series.

JUGNU

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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:40:51 PM
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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 3/31/2008 12:20:49 AM
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Michael you are retarded. The M3 smoked the ISF on the track on the last comparison. I think it was by 5 sec. if I'm not mistaked. That is an eternity in the racing world. I think the ISF is indeed a fine car, and very close to the M3 and I have nothing bad to say about it, but some of your ignorant comments really make Lexus fans look bad, and more so make people hate lexus.


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/31/2008 9:35:03 AMView My AgentSpace
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He makes comments like that just to cause the threads to go on and on and on, because he knows people are going to respond with the true facts.

I think he gets off on making false and stupid comments.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 3:41:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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I certainly hope that more companies will make cars like the 1.

001, your "writing" skills never cease to crack me up.

It's also conspicuous that you "forgot" to mention BMW's most obvious direct competition, Audi. Audi is the only brand to have anything like the 135i--the S3.

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1995e341995e34 - 3/29/2008 3:48:29 PM
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i expect the s3 to arrive stateside in the near future.


Agent001Agent001 - 3/30/2008 2:45:48 AMView My AgentSpace
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Not in the USA.

Audi's S3 isn't available here...yet

001


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/30/2008 11:43:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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Who cares? Like I said, the S3 is the only thing that can compare. None of the other brands have anything like it, anywhere, period.


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 3:43:57 PMView My AgentSpace
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You better start to doing some serious research man.

The IS-F runs circles around the M3??? Where to you get your stats from "Toyota Groupie Mag"???

Seriously, the M3 slays the IS-F.......

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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 3/29/2008 3:48:01 PM
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bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 4:03:16 PMView My AgentSpace
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I suggest you check out this site for the true numbers: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sports/112_0805_bmw_m3_lexus_is_f_mercedes_c63_amg_comparison/results.html

M3 achieved 1st place and delivered 2 mpg more in fuel economy! Now who is lean and green!!!

Facts VS opinions!!!!!


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 3/29/2008 4:21:05 PMView My AgentSpace
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Michael taylor is drinking his lexus cool-aide again. The sugar rush blocks his brain from functioning. Currently - M3 4 vs IS-F 0 ... Car & driver, AUTO Car , Edmunds.com & Motor Trend. idiot


ILikeLamboILikeLambo - 3/29/2008 8:55:45 PM
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@ MichaelTaylor

PWNED lol


JUGNUJUGNU - 3/29/2008 3:50:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Seriously, the M3 slays the IS-F"

and u r correcting him when u r just as wrong. M3 slays the IS-F????

JUGNU

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bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 4:11:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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Again, check your facts dear friend.

This site may enlighten you:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sports/112_0805_bmw_m3_lexus_is_f_mercedes_c63_amg_comparison/results.html

M3 1st place
MB 2nd place

and of course last place and with 2 fewer miles per gallon is: TA DAH:
IS-F 3rd place


S2000VS911S2000VS911 - 4/1/2008 2:05:49 AM
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April Best Motoring Tsukuba circuit result:

1st - E92 M3 (Start from last position)-drift king behind the wheel (best lap 1.06061)
2nd - 350Z nismo (3rd position) (best lap 1.06958)
3rd - ISF (2nd position) (best lap 1.07087)
4th - s2000 Type-S (CR ver)(1st position)(best lap 1.07725)

u think if Tsuchiya drive ISF he will win, sure not. they all Pro, he won't take advantage in grip except drifting... 4-5 sec different when cross the line.

m3 is better than ISF in the track. last month he drove GTR beat the 911T, we can say because he is Jap.


bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 3:51:01 PMView My AgentSpace
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Typical, Japanese Rag.. I guess you can read the review..

Check out professional reviews such as in Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track, Autombile, etc.

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BMW995BMW995 - 3/29/2008 3:56:46 PM
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The sad thing about the 135i as well as most cars produced today is their weight. Weight inflation is really with us - my last generation BMW 325i weighed no more than 3150 lbs. - my IS250 weighs 3450 lbs and mileage is no better than the 3 series even with direct injection. In spite of the weight increase, my IS250 does handle considerably better than my last 3 series, mainly due to the 18" wheels and sport suspension. Acceleration, to me is more than adequate with the IS250 since I don't drive with the GO pedal to the floor most of the time. In fact it feels quite brisk, with the pedal down no more than 30% of it's travel most of the time. In my opinion, way to much emphasis is placed on raw 0-60 times; if the car feels quick 95% of the time you should be satisfied.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 6:30:15 PMView My AgentSpace
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But once you've had that 100%, there's no going back.


_43LE_43LE - 3/29/2008 3:57:48 PM
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The 1 series is really in a class by itself. It would be hard for other manufacturers to follow suit. What small RWD platforms would the others use? and don't even bring up the C-class coupe, not even close.

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ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/29/2008 4:51:50 PM
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The new CLC is considerably sportier than the outgoing CL203 Sportcoupe. I'll be driving one in mid April.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 6:36:01 PMView My AgentSpace
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But you can't pretend it will come close to the 1 Series. You'll only drive the CLC because you work for MB.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 3/29/2008 10:58:57 PM
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as far as fun cars go, the only thing that's close to the 1 43le is probably the miata and the solstice. They're great cars, but by any chance the BMW could win.


BMW4me4everBMW4me4ever - 3/29/2008 4:23:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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The 135 is a blast to drive. Dinan is now offering a performance chip to boost HP up to 380hp & 420 lbs of torque ... mindboggling in regards to the drive and performance of this car.

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HomberSimslinHomberSimslin - 3/29/2008 4:41:47 PM
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If, I was Lexus..I'ld veer into hybrid powered car as in Prius/Lexus. The reason is b/c these cars for me just doesn't make any sense in U.S. market where 99.5% of the everyday driving is pretty much straight line. Unless you enjoy showingoff by burning rubber from the toll-booths and McDonald's drive through..these cars won't sell much here in the U.S. I think, BMW3 series w/little plastic M sticker would be the smallest I'd go. BMW really are screwing themselves up again and again...I hope the 1-series tires don't fall off like most of them do when driven a bit hard.

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bmwman1963bmwman1963 - 3/29/2008 4:57:29 PMView My AgentSpace
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