Do the next 911 taillights look TOO much like the Aston's?

Uhh... the V8 Vantage is about $45,000 more than the 911 Carrera, base... cough cough.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/26/2007 11:39:55 PM | | Votes: 4   

I meant the 911 turbo, I think that most ppl would rather a trubo than a Aston.

— Ihatemercs (View Profile)

Posted on 2/26/2007 11:41:37 PM | | Votes: -5   

I would rather have an Aston. Of course, it would have to be the DB9...

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 12:03:12 AM | | Votes: 4   

You buy a v8 vantage for its exclusiveness, I see at least 15-20 911 a week and I've only seen about 5 AM V8 since they came out...and believe me the first time I was really excited, kinda like everytime I see a gt3.

— MBKing (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 1:40:11 AM | | Votes: 5   

Both the DB9 and the Vanqush are butt ugly. You ppl must be drunk to choose a Aston over a 911 turbo. There is a reason why you see more Turbos than v8 vantages, Its because no one wants them.

— Ihatemercs (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 2:59:42 AM | | Votes: -3   

umm...aston have a limited production run...they're not common as muck. I'd rather an Aston than any Porsche.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 7:31:15 AM | | Votes: 3   

Just ignore or ban ihatemercs, hese an idiot.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 11:26:39 AM | | Votes: 2   

I usually don't post but this was an interesting discussion going on..

I have been the very fortunate owner of a few cool entry-level exotics, including the 360 Coupe, a Lambo Gallardo, and most recently, an Aston Vantage V8.. I now have a 911 C4S Cabriolet (997) as my sports car.. Lemme tell you what I think of all of these cars from an owners perspective:

Ferrari - 360 was a very quick racecar feeling vehicle. Sharp responses, loud, bumpy, and extremely sporty.. Felt like it belonged on a racetrack through and through. Service was expensive but reliability was pretty good for an Italian car. But NOT a daily driver by any means. No visibility, pain in the ass because of how low it is, and just a pain to park, get in & out, etc.. Now I have 2 other cars I use as daily drivers, but in the end I rarely used the 360 because believe it or not (and non-owners always NEVER believe me), it was such a NON daily driver and a PITA that I never used it, even on the weekends..

Lamborghini Gallardo - This car just didn't feel like an exotic. It wsa beautiful, and had a front lift system to go up and down steep driveways, was luxurious inside, and had fairly good sount insulaition. But the car just didn't have the razor sharp steering, or the precise brakes that the Ferrari had. Still a very fun car to drive, but it BROKE DOWN REPEATEDLY!! Talk about unreliabile..

Aston V8 - This was the daily driver of them all.. I LOVED this car, sporty, very easy to get in and out, had parktronic, great storage room, one of the best stereos i've ever heard in a car, great brakes and steering feel, very tossable, and the engine sounded awesome. What was lacking?? The POWER.. The car just didn't get up and go. It had all the noise, but not the kick in teh butt you expected. I think with 50+ HP and TQ the Aston would've been much better

911 C4S Cab - There is a reason why there are SO many 911's on the road.. They really are the perfect combo of sports car and daily driver. There really is nothing wrong about this car, except for the fact that they are not as exclusive, and the look is not as exotic as an Aston, Lambo, or Ferrari. Interior could also be a little nicer like any of the other 3, but you can't complain otherwise..

That's my .03 cents!

— kilikay (View Profile)

Posted on 3/1/2007 6:27:00 PM | | Votes: 2   

I waited for the V8 Vantage for 3 years and when it finally came out, I took my deposit and bought another Porsche. Nice car but definitely not worth the money.

— 993Turbo (View Profile)

Posted on 3/2/2007 8:58:21 AM | | Votes: 1   

No kidding. I was disgusted when Top Gear's DB9 had to be returned to the factory for TWO MONTHS so the transmission could be fixed. Imagine how long it would take to fix if you live in the US! I'd rather get a 911 turbo and drive the sh*t out of it every day and not worry about imminent destruction.

— supermoto (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 9:41:39 PM | | Votes: 1   

He thinks Ferraris and Lamborghinis are "hideous", also.

Go figure.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/27/2007 8:07:51 PM | | Votes: 2   

Ferrari and Lambo are Italian.
They are supercars not gt cars.
They are over the top because if over the top didn't exist life would suck.

They are not Aston.
Aston is British.
Aston is manly, not delicate. In looks alone.

I just can't agree that Ferrari and Lamborghini are hideous cars. Different from the brawny Aston yes. Why not say that you would like a car with more masculine lines like the Aston, instead of describing the other cars as hideous due to some poorly described paradigm . Just because you have a certain feeling about the owners of such cars does not detract from the styling of those cars. In your mind maybe, but why not put aside those built up paradigms and just look at the styling for what it is.

Josh

p.s. Just as many dbags drive Astons as Ferrari and Lambo.

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 10:50:46 AM | | Votes: -1   

Who exactly, my dearest little boy, is it that you think you are speaking to? Whatever it is that they teach you kids today it is obviously not the ability to read.

I didn't say anything about the styling. Im fact the message below the above one by me was posted only 6 minutes later. So there is really no excuse.

Ah! Things have become rather clearer with the statement about my "poorly described paradigm", as it were. Your message has nothing to do with what I said, it pertains instead to the way in which I said it.

How many Aston Martin's have you been around? You would be the first person I have ever heard of describing Aston Martin as masculine, by which I mean in the area of styling not those who drive them. Maybe the Vanquish could be considered pseudo-masculine due to its more extreme styling, and perhaps the V-8 Vantage could be considered the same due to the acute angled strip running down the side to the vent and its shorter length. The DB9 however is lithe. All of these cars share soft lines and curves in their bodies: I fail to see how that is masculine. A hyper-masculine car would be something like the Cadillac SLR and the like.

This whole Ferrari and Lamborghini color thing is really akin to the situation with Rolex. When someone comes into wealth for the first time they usually the exceptionally cliche: like buy a Rolex. Those who were born to money grew up in the socio-economic situation were by they are aware of the other things; not the cliche. These people have things like Patek Philippes and Ulysse Nardins, and know enough to know that when they go to buy a Ulysse Nardin they may spend $200,000.00 for a watch that has a rather plain face [most of the time] and isn't tackily studded with diamonds everywhere.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 12:37:43 PM | | Votes: 1   

I agree... somewhat.

I think Lamborghinis and Ferraris are quite obnoxious, yes.

But I think they are beautiful at the same time, and would gladly own one had I the proper funds.

Now, I COULD be taking my F430 or Gallardo to the track at the moment if I didn't have kids burning a hole in my wallet through college and law school...

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 11:52:42 PM | | Votes: 1   

See I think you took masculine as an insult. Which might have set the tone for you condescending remarks. I infact I used masculine to describe the broad shoulder of the car, the flat front, and purposeful posture. I say 'the' car because you could apply this to most of the recent Astons.

You could then deescribe the lines holding these broad masculine things together as whatever you like. I walk away saying masculine. This is not to insult you or your intelligence, it was merely to state that maybe it is what you like..... THATS FINE. You can like whatever you want... infact if someone said pick a car any car. It would be an Aston for me. For the very same reasons you said.

My discussion was aimed at your remarks about calling the Ferrari and Lambo hideous. I felt they were founded in some idea that Ferrari and Lambo drivers were attention whores. Which I am sure they are, some maybe not... thats a different debate.

That has nothing to do with the styling, and letting those 'paradigms' blind you from the actual looks of the car seems like a bad idea to me.

I used to hate Corvettes because of the used car salesmen feeling, before that I hated Audi's because the TT was FWD. I realized one day those ideas were blocking my rational logical thought about those cars. I couldn't step away from my preconceived notions and look at something for myself.

If thats not what your doing then great, but it was the impression I got. No need to take offense if its not applicable right?

Josh

p.s. I started writing my post before you posted yours. I leave windows open at work where I write responses. I see now from this second post that you actually confirmed you don't mind the styling, you just don't like the often grotesque individuals who float to those status symbols. I won't let some jackass football player ruin my image of a DB9 if you don't let some halfass actor ruin your image of a Ferrari... deal?

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 3:22:11 PM | | Votes: 1   

Honestly yes. I think I opened the window the night before stated writing and just left work. I get side tracked while writing these comments.

I think we agree. I find it disapointing that so many awesome automobiles are tainted by owners. I think we have differing opinions about Astons, but maybe my early experiences looking at Astons gave me different opinions. I honestly have this image of Astons.
http://passionlegende.free.fr/www/guppy/Passionlegende/Collection/competition/Le_mans_classique_2004/Net_G_LeMansClassic--040.jpg

Ferrari's and lambo's just seemed so much prettier with there fragile looks. So I associate one thing with another and come up with Aston Martins as being masculine. That and a conversation with I had with someone involved in Aston design. He described his work as masculine.

Anyways I digress... I did not mean to give the impression that I was posting in a reactionary way. Often times I write an entire post only to delete it and start fresh because I don't want to give that impression. This comment:
"I don't know if that has much to do with it. I think that Ferraris and Lamborghinis are usually hideous. The reason being that they are usually in the most obnoxious shades of either red or yellow ever invented by the human race. I always think of a 12 year old driving them screaming at the top of his lungs "Look at me! Pay attention to me!" I grew up in a very ...erm proper [read: WASPY] family where such obvious effects are poor ettiquette and generally in very poor taste. My friend Jefferey describes Ferrari and Lamborghini them as "garish". The Aston has a reserved beautiful classicism about it that is in much better taste. The car whispers as opposed to shouts.
"

This comment gave me the impression that you were like many of the others on this forums. Bound to be stuck in there ways. Believing what they know now to always be true, and ruining there ability to appreciate all automobiles for what they are. I may have spoke to soon, you seem to be rather rational, and your opinions are not fixated on one thing, one brand, one ideal, like many others here on Autospies. Rational non fanatical thinking and discussion seems to be lacking on Autospies.

Josh

p.s. my posts are to long

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 6:37:03 PM | | Votes: 1   

I see now that my assuption about your age was premature at best.

Looking that the picture I see exactly what you mean.

I very much believe in "to each their own" I don't expect people to share my background or opinions and I don't come on here to have any particular illusions about anything reinforced. There are Ferrias that I like, namely the Scaglietti; I think it is very pretty.

Don't worry about the long posts: I think you are talkign to the king of verbose.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 7:09:02 PM | | Votes: 1   

Good chat. Keep in touch.

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 3/1/2007 5:17:37 PM | | Votes: 1   

Well, I know here you can walk into the dealership with your checkbook and drive out with an Aston Martin V8 Vantage or DB9. There is obviously therefore, there is is some extra production, but I don't know if there is an allocation for that.

As far as customizing, which I would imagine most people do, I am unaware if there is a wait list for that.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 2/28/2007 7:18:58 PM | | Votes: 1   

You are quite welcome.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 3/1/2007 1:00:20 AM | | Votes: 1   

So you are suggesting the db9 is just a Mondeo, or Mustang?

With your logic we should all own a Focus because it's really a Range Rover.

Explain is there something you know about Aston and there cars that make them Ford like, because ford owns them. I remember in the past... 10 years ago where Astons had some borrowed components but these days I think things have changed.

Josh

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 3/1/2007 11:34:34 AM | | Votes: 1