EDMUNDS TESTS THE 335I AND G37

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EDMUNDS TESTS THE 335I AND G37

THIS IS ANOTHER TEST OF THE 335I AND THE G37, BUT THIS TIME ITS EDMUNDS DOING THE COMPARISON Read Article

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BMWsuk - 7/2/2007 11:43:24 AM

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>>nor does it engage its driver with equal commitment.

What a piece of sht ! what does it mean? commitment to what?

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Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:23:38 PM

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well, if you knew anything about driving, then you would know.

dlin - 7/2/2007 9:28:15 PM

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This article is so clearly biased, you can tell from so many biased writting.

"$15,000 better?" I'm sorry, at that price range it's getting in to Porsche's Boxter. BMW is no doubt a better sport sedan out there, by whatever margin you like to define per different criteria, but it's no way a real sports car like Boxter.

brianlamar - 7/3/2007 4:19:19 PM

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They didn't say anything about a Porsche Boxter in that article. The 335 is a better ALL around car than the G37. They meant the BMW FEELS 15k more than the g37 regardless of price point. If the cars were at 80k the BMW would still feel 15k more. That was just a comparison, not a territory of cars in a specific price range.

dlin - 7/4/2007 3:45:50 AM

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Guess sometimes I just have to write it in a simpler and more explicite way for some people to understand. OK, for additional $15,000 I can get Boxter S, and we know 335 can't beat mid-engined Boxter S, which goes through slalom in 72.2 mph in Edmund.com's road test.

So how can 335 be $15,000 better?

As I own both BMW and INFINITI, I won't be as biased like the way you tried to persuade me. Personally I feel BMW is about $5000 better, not $15000.

brianlamar - 7/4/2007 1:53:04 PM

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No one really cares about your opinion or mine. All that matters is that its Edmunds' review, and to them the car FEELS not IS 15k better. A porsche boxter is a great sports car. But its not a great all around car that does everything well. Even caranddriver said that "we think the 335i coupe is the best all around car in the world, it does everything well". You keep throwing around what you own to make your comments more valid. I used to own a G and now I own an e92 coupe. The e92 is better than the G in my opinion. I have not test drove the g37, no one has but by reading reviews its more of a focused car but thats about it.

dlin - 7/4/2007 7:46:06 PM

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Hey man, no need to get pissed. I never said BMW is not a better car as I own one also, right? No need to justify your point by citing the 335 "Best all around car" from C&D, my least favored car mag. I didn not quote "The King is Dead" from Motor Trend, right?

What I'm saying is Edmunds's statement is so emotional and almost funny. I can almost envision if Edmunds make a comparison between the Boxter and 335, they'll probably say, "It feels 20,000 better."

I hope they won't make that kind of mistake again.

brianlamar - 7/5/2007 8:10:52 PM

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Nah man i'm not pissed, sorry it may have come across like that. I enjoy debating with you. One of the few that can actually hold their own on this board.

BimmerFan - 7/2/2007 12:34:47 PM

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"Magic Feel" wins again....

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Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:23:04 PM

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It does everytime.

STJ88 - 7/2/2007 12:46:07 PM

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Both cars are good, but the G37 would be my choice it looks mutch sportier. And the 3.7 V6 is the best NA engine out there, nissan has made turbo I6 engines but they moved on to some thing better.

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JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 12:55:27 PM

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I don't think magic feel won, from what they said

faster
better engine
stronger, fade free brakes
better ride
higher skidpad grip
more interior space
higher interior quality
more trunk space

is what won. The only reason it was close was the $2600 disparity in price and the fact that for that money the Infiniti comes with navigation and keyless start. Personally the price difference is made up for by the free maintenance that comes with the BMW (which they don't mention in the article). Add navigation and comfort access ($2600 combined) so the features are even between the cars and you have a $5200 difference, which over 4 years is $3 a day. For $3 a day I'll take the 335i, the free maintenance, and the knowledge that when I want to sell the car down the road it'll still be worth several thousand dollars more than the G anyway, thus recouping my $3 a day anyway.

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JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 2:32:17 PM

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06GS, since I don't own all these vehicles to compare myself I'll have to trust Edmunds.com's research, since this is what they do for a living. Edmunds seems to think the maintenance on a 2007 G35 Coupe is going to average $3227 over four years. There's no info on the 2008 G37 yet but I'm sure it won't be less. The 335i Coupe is expected to run $928. Based on this particular article that's $2300 of the $2600 difference in sale price right there, and if we're talking loaded with navigation and everything vehicles I'm willing to spend the other $2600 for the BMW since I know I'll recoup it later anyway on resale. Just for kicks since you either have or want a GS a new GS350 over four years is going to average $2862. The 535i isn't tallied yet but should closely mirror the 335i, so that's a couple grand of whatever difference in price there is between a GS and a 5-Series.

BMW4me4ever - 7/2/2007 3:00:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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06Gs ... The maintenance plan that BMW offers includes : oil services, inspections or tune-ups, brake pads and rotors, light bulbs, wiper blades, fluid flushes, air filters ... This is good for 4 years and/or 50k miles whichever comes first. Also, BMW includes BMW Assist for 4 years / 50k miles which is similar to Onstar.

JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 3:44:09 PM

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oh, and regardless of the maintenance making up some of the price difference, I like what one of the editors had to say at the end:

"I don't know what the price difference is, but the BMW feels $15000 better."

Classic. And of course it's only $5200 more equally equipped.

adoptgreyhounds - 7/2/2007 4:55:00 PM

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o6gs300, BMW Ultimite service includes everything from fluids to light bulbs all you "pay" for is petrol, tires and insurence. I've leased 5 Bimmers over the last 8 years so don't start some argument about it dosn't.

Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:26:21 PM

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thank you for defining the magic feel for the people who still wonder what "magic feel" is. Simply said, EXPERIENCING all of those things. Guys, get out and drive the car so you will see for yourself why the 3 is the measuring stick that all others are compared to.

You will then also understand why BMW loyalists scoff at reviews like the recent Motor Trend.

supermoto - 7/2/2007 1:06:16 PM

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Great points JRobUSC.

G37 is a great car.....Not quite great enough though.

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Rupert - 7/2/2007 1:49:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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Coupes?
Another field Lexus doesn't compete in.

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Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:28:44 PM

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Tryin real hard to bring in Lexus I see. Keep trying--they are nothing more than a superb luxury brand. BMW always has been, and always will be a sports car brand with elements of luxury built for the driver.

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BMW4me4ever - 7/2/2007 1:32:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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Lexus ... the IS350 has already lost every comparison to the 335. no sense beating a dead horse.

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hieneken - 7/2/2007 11:00:50 PM

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When you compare Edmunds to Motor Trend is like You compare a volkswagon to a Rolls-Royce.

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STJ88 - 7/2/2007 2:05:11 PM

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I just cant wait until the nissan GTR comes out and beats the life out of the BMW M3. Be prepared german fanboys its gonna hurt.

And the G37 is ten times better than the 335i, it looks better and the VQ37VHR is a mutch beter engine than the BMW I6. If I6 engines wore any good nissan wouldnt stop making them.

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brianlamar - 7/2/2007 3:20:06 PM

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The reason Nissan stopped making I6 engines is because they are substantially more expensive to make than V6 engines. They also take up the space needed for a V12 to fit hence two 6 cylinder banks on a V12 engine. a V6 engine is much more compact and takes half the space to fit into an engine bay. Once a formula is achieved, performance wise and inline 6 engine is better, more efficient and naturally ballanced. Doesn't need balancers as all V6 engines do.

A bargain car company that makes cheaper cars would make V6 engines as opposed to inline 6 engines because they're cheaper and easier to make. Doesn't require the engineering smarts that companies such as BMW and Porsche have.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:03:04 PM

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"And the G37 is ten times better than the 335i, it looks better and the VQ37VHR is a mutch beter engine than the BMW I6. If I6 engines wore any good nissan wouldnt stop making them."

I'm a true engine-nut and I'm saying you're talking rubbish and I'm right.

dlin - 7/3/2007 3:52:24 AM

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No doubt BMW has best I6 out there right now, yet it cannot compete w/ Porsche's H6. Although NISSAN has switched to V6 for a long time, don't forget the twin turboed RB26(I-6) in GT-R has an output of 320HP and 289 ft·lb in unrestricted mode, much more output than 335 per liter.

The reason All Japan MFR switches to V6 is because they have better output. Even HONDA makes V6 rather than I6, though they already have the best NA I4 in the world.

It's in fact sad to see BMW has to resort to twin turbo to outpower NISSAN. The best possible reason is they are getting cheap, as you can see from the interior, and there's just no way you can get a NA I6 to compete w/ Nissan and Toyota V6. That's also why new M3 has to switch to a smaller V8 for a better output number.

Pretty soon we are gonna see Jap MFR doing TT engine and getting more than 350 hp. It's inevitable now that the German started this HP war. I think NISSAN will bring back TwinTurbo I6 for INFINITI and saves the VQ for NISSAN.

brianlamar - 7/3/2007 4:34:00 AM

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But I think the supra was a better engine than the GTR with their Inline 6 twin turbo with 320 hp and 315 lbs ft of torque. One of the best, if not the best inline 6 cylinder engine ever made in my opinion.

I think the reason why bmw went with forced induction is because the cost of the car would go up astronomically because of the tuning they would need to do in order to achieve that amount of horsepower naturally.

Don't forget they have achieved those numbers before almost 7 years ago with a smaller power plant, higher redline and much more refined engine, features that infiniti think they've gotten BMW on, but in fact BMW got those numbers almost 10 years ago and half a liter smaller; the e46 M3 3.2 liter 333 horsepower is naturally aspirated. BMW could do it, but the 3-series would cost too much. which is why the m3 started at 49k. no one is going to by a 3 series that has a base price tag of 50k. Like I said its cheaper to make v6 engines and doesn't require a huge amount of genius to get a little extra power.

The best way to do it without costing too much and without reverting to a v6 engine is to turbo or supercharge it. which makes a better powerplant; better gas mileage, more torque throughout the rev range, alot more tuning capabilities and better performance in higher altitudes.

brianlamar - 7/3/2007 4:39:23 AM

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Oh and also remember these horsepower numbers you're throwing out are before the SAE standards. As we all know the 335 gets the same wheel horsepower as the g37 and more torque as well. And BMW underrated the 335's horsepower because they were still selling the e46 m3.

So the 320 HP you and I both quoted on these older japanese cars are probably like ~300hp under the new SAE standard.

dlin - 7/3/2007 11:26:01 AM

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I'm just taking RB26 as an example of Jap I6. In fact, though I own both INIFNITI and BMW, my top choice of engine is the one in IS350. It has smoothness of I6 and better output than VQ. One of my friend even clocked 0-60 in 4.7 sec.

Anyone can get bigger horsepower as long as you get high rev like HONDA. But one thing you can never manipulate is torque and fuel efficiency. Of course E46 M3 put out 333 hp, but look at the gas mileage! Do you think NISSAN can afford that kind of EPA for its VQ in all the cars? Nobody will buy then. It's not that Jap MFR cannot do it, they only do it for racing car.

I agree w/ you it cost less to TT and that is exactly my point. Since when BMW going cheap and takes the shortcut? I'm not a big fan of turbo, though I understand it's the trend. For me I'll rather see BMW develope some good NA I6 and leave the TT to M series. That said, the 4.0 V8 in the new M3 is a great achievement.

JRobUSC - 7/3/2007 12:57:34 PM

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dlin, you are incorrect in many of your statements. First, a V6 doesn't naturally make more power than an inline, it's simply easier and cheaper to produce and that's why most manufacturers use them. An inline 6 is smoother, doesn't need balance shafts, and produces a fatter powerband. As most racers will tell you, power under the curve is more important than peak figures, and an inline does that better than a V.

Second, and this is important, the main reason BMW went to a V8 in the M3 and twin turbos on the I6's is NOT because they couldn't make a more powerful I6 than they could a V. They most definitely could. No, this was a move that was dictated sheerly by packaging limitations -- they ran out of room under the hood. They couldn't make a larger I6 and still fit it into the engine bay of their smaller vehicles. A 3.5L I6 with 300hp and wonderfully flat 260 lb-ft torque curve to compete with the Lexus and Infiniti models would be great, but that engine would be as long as a 7.0L V12. You're not fitting a 7.0L V12 into an IS or G, and you can't fit one into a 3-Series either. That's why they switched to turbos in the 335/535 and why the new M3 gets a 4.0L V8.

brianlamar - 7/3/2007 2:05:28 PM

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G37 gets the same mileage as the older M3. The older g35 only got 17/25 the M3 gets 16/23 not much of a difference, while the 335 gets 19/29. Nissan never acheived great gas mileage ratings for the vq engines in their cars, that was always one of their fall backs when they increased horsepower to the high 200's. V6 engines are smooth when you have the balancers and mounts to counteract engines roughness, but no where near as natural as the inline 6 cylinder engines. Turbocharging always makes for a better powerplant as opposed to an almost 4.0 liter V6 engine that will always be rough in its natural state.

Who bores out a V6 engine to be more than 3.5 liters and it not meant to be put in a truck?

brianlamar - 7/3/2007 3:57:37 PM

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In fact that is the cheap way to add power to a car is to take an already bored out engine that was initially 3 liters from the 95'-99' maxima to 3.5 liters then to 3.7 liters. Turbo charged cars have to be intricately designed in order to achieve longevity and performance without turbo lag, one bad design and the turbo is shot to hell. That is an engineering feat! Not boring out a 6 cylinder engine to a size that a truck would only benefit from. Thats when you move to a small V8 or like the M3, use technology and great engineering teams to get high horsepower from a state of the art engine.

dlin - 7/4/2007 2:45:46 AM

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Interesting, cause I just found out BMW used a 3.5L I6 in 1979 M535i. Are you telling me a 5 series of 26 years ago is bigger than 3 series today?

Go figure.

"Engineering feat!"? I am sorry! Although nothing is easy, turbo is only a small portion compared to the whole engine design. Based on your logic, should we say SUBARU, MITSUBISHI, or even MAZDA make better engine considering the output per liter? How funny that the TT in 335i comes from MITSUBISHI.

Go figure.

85bmw745i - 7/5/2007 12:34:38 AMView My AgentSpace

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You are Crazy First of all Inline 6 engines are much much more durable. For example an inline 6 engine has y7 main bearings on the crank. a v8 only has 5. You do the math, less cylinders, more bearings = less stress per bearing. Why do you think you can get 1000hp out of a supra engine and still remain reliable. Why do you think all of those 18 wheelers have inline 6 engines. the bottom end is more stout. SecBMW didn't "Have to turbo it " to make that power. Remember last generation M3 inline 6 was smaller and made 333hp (u.s. Spec) Plus the infinity has nowhere near the torque. Look at the torque at 1400rpm on the 335i. You wouldn't move in the infinity at all at 1800rpm in 6th, where on the BMW the torque would make it move even at low RPM. I will not knock the VQ engine as it is a great engine. I will however always favor inline 6 engines. Easier to work on, smoother, and more durable.

dlin - 7/7/2007 2:51:39 AM

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?

Are you sure you are answering to this comment?

chuck717 - 7/2/2007 2:05:42 PM

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Both are very appealing of course. It generally comes down to a fan of German cars just can't bring thenselves to buy a car from Japan. I find though that Japanese buyers can crossover into a German car much more readlily. Does that say something? I own both German and Japanese cars i love what both bring to the table.

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bmwdrvr - 7/2/2007 2:24:20 PM

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thats not true, honestly japanese luxury cars, arent appealing to me and i would never buy one, but ive always like the old japanese sports cars, dont know about anyone else but i would buy the gtr if the price was reasonable

SupraNeverBack - 7/2/2007 2:16:12 PM

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What amazing is that "ultimate driving machine" is still outhandled by the 3,800lb heavy pig, G37.

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JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 3:12:28 PM

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both cars did excellent in the slalom, 69-71mph is fantastic, and the BMW did pull a higher skidpad figure, which is a better indicator for the vehicle's handling limit. Let's try an experiment -- let's say the figures are reversed and instead of the BMW having a higher skipad figure and a slightly lower slalom speed let's say the G had the higher grip figure and the lower slalom speed. With me so far? I'd be willing to bet that the same people (incorrectly) going "the G outhandled the BMW!" would STILL be saying "the G outhandled the BMW!" Same thing goes for the Lexus IS250 article that was on here a week or two ago.

SupraNeverBack - 7/2/2007 3:45:11 PM

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BMW has slightly higher skidpad number because it has wider rubbers. Also Skidpad test is one direction. But 2mph difference in the slalom test is a big gap.

dlin - 7/2/2007 3:56:13 PM

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Some JxxxxC apparently doesn't understand what exactly slalom and skid pad are testing for when it comes to driving dynamics.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:04:21 PM

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Skidpad, slalom,.. all rubbish tests. Only good for comparision of suspension setup or tires.

Mind you, the BMW was still 'normal'. No sportspackage here.

JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 5:59:13 PM

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Supra, not sure how Edmunds conducts their skidpad tests but every one I've ever seen is a two way average, not just one direction.

BMW4me4ever - 7/2/2007 2:57:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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The G37 outhandled the BMW on the slalom by 2 mph but not on the skidpad. The skidpad is more of realistic read on a cars ability, since that is how much force the car can handled before it loses traction. Also, the G stopped anywhere from 6 to 12 feet longer, was 1/2 second slower to 60 and thru the 1/4 miles, is smaller, a pitiful cargo space of 7 cu ft

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dlin - 7/3/2007 3:23:35 AM

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I think you watched too much stupid NASCAR which makes you think a track is always oval shape.

STJ88 - 7/2/2007 3:12:30 PM

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#BMW4me4ever

Don't hate becouse de G37 is better than the bmw 3-serie's.
The skyline has been evolving for 50 years that is 23 more than the 3-serie.

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:05:28 PM

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Hahahahaa

BMW4me4ever - 7/2/2007 3:26:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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i dont hate the G37, just stating the obvious ...

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d1sinfo - 7/2/2007 3:53:25 PM

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Wait I thought this article was clear and concise. The BMW cost more, had a better engine, more room, and a better overall driving feel. The Infinity was cheaper, and tight at the limit.

Both great cars, both deserve the props they get. I would have a hard time deciding. I personally would not touch a car without an LSD, but I am a big fan of the BMW engine, styling, and have been impressed by BMW for some time so... grr tough decision. To bad I have this fricking STi :) Anyone want to trade?

Josh

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:08:50 PM

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You can get LSDs on BMWs.. just select it from your options list.

JRobUSC - 7/2/2007 5:57:45 PM

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not in the U.S. you can't unless it's an M.

DiamondJim - 7/2/2007 9:21:49 PM

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what does the limited slip differnetial do for magic feel?

d1sinfo - 7/3/2007 9:29:31 AM

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LSD is crucial to most drivers. You can't get an LSD on non M BMW's

printhan - 7/2/2007 3:57:08 PM

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GOOD TRY!! buh still need extra effort 2 beat the best

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Will_ - 7/2/2007 4:05:54 PM

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Where can the Japanese automakers find some magic feel?

WHERE IS IT AND HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?!?!?!?

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M53R - 7/2/2007 4:39:33 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well the magic feels comes as the result of german engineering... so japanese cant have it ;)

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:11:05 PM

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Will, it's an acquired taste.

Sorry mate but you drive Lexus so you don't have any taste at all.

j/k

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:15:30 PM

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Show me where it outhandles the BMW? It's not because the BMW has a softer suspension setup (BUY THE M-SPORT!!!) and therefore the Jap is quicker in the slalom that it will outhandle it... I don't think you have any clue what driving is all about.. eh?

Besides, the Nürburgring is basically in the backyard of BMW
(http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2061114.002/2061114.002.1M.jpg)
and every car ever made from BMW is tested there.

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Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:32:37 PM

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LexusAdmirer, quit posting idiotic material please.

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Lexus - 7/2/2007 5:02:03 PM

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I wonder if Edmund got paid for for saying 3 Series won? sometime it make me wonder. There so magazine out there, one side thing and the other says other? I don't know who to belief anymore, except myself.

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Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:22:44 PM

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That my friend, is the only way to truly determine the winner of a comparison--your comparison. Find the one that feels best, costs right, and accomplishes what YOU want.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/2/2007 5:22:40 PM

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In terms of handling, chassis finesse, steering, clutch feeling, ... basically everything that involves sheer driving pleasure the BMW is still the best. Lexus, Infiniti, Acura,.. they all want to be BMW.

Every single Japanese car has a German, American or European example of how it's done and sometimes the Japanese or Korean (and soon Chinese) alternative becomes better.. but not here.

Even with the G37 that is fully loaded with 6-speed manual and sportspackage it still can't beat a regular 3-series in the most important aspect: DRIVING

If the BMW was equipped with the optional LSD and a full M-sport pack it would have simply crushed the G37S.

That's the truth.

But that's not all. Definitely not all.

The Infiniti is however A LOT cheaper, and it is worth every single dollar because it is nothing short of brilliant too! BMW is the benchmark and if you can come close to that benchmark it becomes interesting...

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STJ88 - 7/2/2007 6:12:23 PM

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Every body knows the real benchmark is the nissan GTR, every time a new GTR came out it broke all Nürburgring records. And if nissan can beat BMW in its own backyard than it can beat them on any territory.

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BimmerFan - 7/2/2007 6:21:09 PM

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Who cares about some riced out jap crap, STJ88. It doesnt come with "Magic feel"...

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/3/2007 3:53:42 AM

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Only the R32 broke the laprecord.

Larry - 7/2/2007 6:22:36 PM

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why is so hard for lexus fans to accept that the 335i is better than both the IS 350, and this G37, which I admit are fine cars. However you Lexus fans know that your IS350 imitation is the sincerest form of BMW flattery. You lexus fans buy Lexus styled BMW wanna be cars, and yet you are jealous of BMW success. If BMW were not great then Toyota and Nissan Engineers would not spend years copying BMW ( and Mercedes) products.

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bmwdrvr - 7/2/2007 6:41:04 PM

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more exactly....there would be no is, or g37 without the 3 series

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/3/2007 3:55:54 AM

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Tell me something I don't know already.

Qwazywabbit - 7/2/2007 6:31:12 PM

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Larry, OMG--I dig you man. You said it perfect. Lexus is luxurious, isolating, and designed to be riden. BMW is sporty, direct, and designed to be driven. BMW is the most innovative car company on the planet in terms of product, design, and manufacturing.

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brianlamar - 7/2/2007 7:28:38 PM

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I don't know that their the most innovative car company but there one of the damn best!!! I know, I'm a new proud owner of an 07' 328i Coupe...... and lovin it!!!!!!

I would give the most innovative award to Mercedes-Benz, who innovated and created the first automobile as well as other safety features and design cues.

Qwazywabbit - 7/6/2007 9:02:13 AM

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Congrats Brian! You now understand the BMW lure. I bet you are just looking for any excuse to go driving now....!

STJ88 - 7/2/2007 6:49:02 PM

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#bmwdrvr

What are you talking about, do you know what the G37 is. Its the 12th generation nissan skyline, and its called the infiniti G37 in the US. The nissan skyline has been made since 1957, so without the G37/skyline there would be no 3 series.

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adoptgreyhounds - 7/2/2007 8:36:02 PM

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With out Max Hoffman and the new Klasse(1500-2002ti) there would be no 3er.

bmwdrvr - 7/3/2007 8:26:54 AM

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wishful thinking at its best, bmw around longer than "datsun" and as if a bmw would be inspired by a "datsun" and the 3 series was not bmw's first car in this class. the only reason why the is, and g exist because there isnt a car in its class than can outsell it, not to mention it being one of the most expensive cars in its class other than the c class...it just proved that what people wanted wasn't a deluxe maxima or camry, but true sports sedan, and the infiniti g35, and is were born....but keep dreaming some truth might pop up somewhere

kart1 - 7/2/2007 9:47:50 PM

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Rejoice BMW fans, rejoice. Yes your moment is in so enjoy it. So now just because Edmunds says you guys believe them now (I am referring to the numerous occasions where a lot of the BMW fans put down Edmunds because they said that Edmunds can't do testing correctly). I guess you didn't support them before because they put BMW down a bit right? However now that BMW has won a comparo with their article you guys are liking Edmunds now. It's really funny when you think about it. Everyone knows that if MT got BMW to win and Edmunds got BMW to lose the tables would have been turned. As for me I believe that both are good comparisons (although I have found MT to be a bit biased towards the BMW in the past). I find that C&D is the most biased towards Honda and BMW. Just accept both articles as fair or neither because that is the case.

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bmwdrvr - 7/2/2007 9:57:47 PM

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the funny thing is that these cars are only 4,000 difference in as tested price, and edmunds saids "I'm not sure what the price difference is, but the BMW feels $15,000 better." lmao wow 15 grand more hows that for worth its price

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hieneken - 7/2/2007 10:40:33 PM

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The moron from edmunds who test the these cars is definitely from germany

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hieneken - 7/2/2007 10:51:37 PM

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Any way when you compare edmunds to Motor Trend is like you campare a Volkswagen to a Rolls-Royce.

SHOWTIME - 7/3/2007 10:28:12 AM

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Yes you're right BUCKFUSH, not only the journalists but people all over the world will continue loving german cars until the Japanese can consistantly make just as good or better for a long period of time. They are getting close but still not just as good and still far from better. Do you blame the world then?

When you buy a BMW, you don't have to explain to anyone how much you got for your money or even how good of a car it is. Everyone will pretty much know a BMW because the history of it speaks for itself.

With Lexus, Infiniti, or Acura, you can also impress but you have a bit of showing and explaining to do. Sayin something like oh I got an in dash 6CD changer, realtime traffic navigation, AW steering, etc...Then most likely you'll get a comment back, "wow you got a lot for the price." Now who wants to hear complements like that? lol

For the record, I'm not a show off but the majority of of consumers who buy high end cars want only what has been known to be the best. They wanna look and feel on top and that's what I've explained just before.

As for the rest of us enthusiasts, we'll choose a car mainly for its design and what it's built for. I have nothing against Japanese cars, I really like some of them but just not enough to switch over from BMW. The G37 Concept would have done it for me but they decided to kill it and the engine isn't getting any great reviews either.

Anyhow, the point is

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SHOWTIME - 7/3/2007 10:43:26 AM

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point is you cannot just take the tittle from a champion that's been around for decades without putting up a much better fight. It has always been that way for so long that as you said, "it's in our our blood," for most of us and when it's in there that means they have won our trust and loyalty for a long long itme.

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