Edmunds' First Drive of the 2010 Volkswagen Scirocco R

Like you said you have never driven it.

I have and i can tell you the Torque Steer is minimal.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/18/2009 11:17:48 PM | | Votes: 0   

Dude, I am not talking about torque steer, I'm talking about the car having 64/36 weight distribution LOL.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/18/2009 11:38:11 PM | | Votes: 0   

Joe_Limon
Here is an Idea, why dont you fly to Europe or the UK and drive one ?

Hertz London has them for 300GBP a week and you could test it for yourself.

Having driven both the Mustang and the Sirocco i can tell you that the sirocco is 100 times better than the Mustang in every aspect of Handling i can think of.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 3:10:09 PM | | Votes: 0   

I'm sorry but I like cars that can turn, even if it's only when you're on the gas like a mustang. And you clearly weren't pushing the car if you think it handles wonderfully when only 36% of it's weight is on the rear tires lol.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 3:34:36 PM | | Votes: 0   

Joe

I guess ill just ignore my Actual drive and rely only on your Imaginary test drive of the Sirocco.

Just because you cannot fathom how a FWD vehicle with Weight over the Driven Wheels can be made to Handle Brilliantly does not mean it cannot be done.

The world has already seen how the USA is no 1 for making Brilliant Handling Automobiles that are Rear Propelled.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 4:02:54 PM | | Votes: 0   

Don't get me wrong it's nice for city driving being able to get that much more power down given the weight of the vehicle but if you are dumb enough to think that is all there is to handling you are really mistaken, take a hard corner in an emergency situation at highway speeds and you'll find yourself wishing you would have bought something else as this car doesn't want to turn.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 4:45:40 PM | | Votes: 0   

YOU HAVE NOT DRIVEN IT

The 2.0 TFSI Sirocco cruises at 130mph with no fuss whatsoever. Drove from London to Liverpool and in that 4hr Trip i can Guarantee that the Useless Mustang will fall short on everything;
* Interior Quality
* Exterior Quality
* Engine Smoothness
* Steering Accuracy
* Audio Quality

I have driven the Mustang {2008 Hertz, Miami} and i am under no illusions of the utter-uslessness of the Mustang.

I also drive very hard so i know how good the handling of the sirocco is as opposed to the Mustang which would gladly kill you in anything but Extremely Dry Conditions.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 5:10:13 PM | | Votes: 0   

Do you not understand the term understeer? It has absolutely no play in going straight any speed. Here... since you are being so ignorant, I shall enlighten you. For the most part cars either understeer or oversteer. Understeer is the term used when a car is limited in how hard it can turn... i.e. you crank the steering wheel and it will not turn any tighter. Oversteer is the opposite, with oversteer if you aren't careful the car will keep turning, causing you to slide and in bad cases spin out. What the scirocco falls short on is when you are hard in a corner the front end is so god damn heavy that the front end will start sliding do to centripetal forces, causing the car to horrendously oversteer. You can't simply tune out the oversteer for a 64/36 weight distribution. Most people don't have any idea what these two terms are, I seriously think you are one of them. You may push a car hard in a straight line, but have you ever pushed a car hard around a corner? I am guessing not. Argue as much as you like, but science is science and I can mathematically prove to you how bad a 64/36 weight distribution will understeer if you so desire to be proven that badly wrong.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:33:25 PM | | Votes: 0   

horrendously understeer*

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:34:50 PM | | Votes: 0   

haha and *tune out the understeer*

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:35:43 PM | | Votes: 0   

As opposed to Nice Safe Oversteer ??

I think you will find most Manufacturers prefer to dial in initial understeer to warn drivers of the limit as opposed to oversteer which catches out even the best of drivers.

To quote the Ultra Stupid Sarah Palin; " Say it aint so Joe "{Wink}

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 7:39:26 PM | | Votes: 0   

And joe please try to refrain from Condecension, i am not an American Idiot.

My major was Aerodynamics and i loved Mechanics so there probably very little you could teach me in that field.

My experience has shown me that what makes sense in theory sometimes do not work in reality, for example, on a Dry Track the Mustang would be a hoot to drive, however on regular roads with all the moisture, standing water, slippery manhole covers, negative camber and snow cover the Sirocco would be the one i would choose 100% of the time for spirited driving.

My choice comes from Years of driving and few crashes i learned from, Oversteer is much harder to recover from than Understeer especially in a vehicle sporting such ancient tech as the Mustang. I think you will agree Electronic Gizmos help a lot with RWD vehciles to keep them in check, a lot more than in FWD vehicles.

Now i love BMW/MB/AUDI/Ferrari/Lambo as much as the next man {maybe more} but in everyday driving with all the conditions i mentioned earlier i am under no illusions of the advantages of Front over Rear Driven Vehicles. Of course 4WD is the Best Option i.e. Veyron/Murcielago/Gallardo/911 Turbo/R8.....

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 7:54:27 PM | | Votes: 0   

Why are you still comparing the mustang, I was stating that the mustang has bad understeer, this thing is worse. I wasn't stating that the mustang handles better overall. Now my question is, why are you attacking me about a point I am not supporting and totally ignoring my point. This car has bad understeer, period. This is not a comparison of fwd vs rwd, I am simply stating what is wrong with this car. And you are right, most car companies do incorporate a slight bit of understeer since it is safer. However to incorporate the amount seen in the Scirocco and then come out and say look at how amazing it handles is dumb. I am sorry for coming down as condescending, but when your first reply was dealing with torque steer, I assumed you hadn't a clue what I was talking about. Your further criticizing of the mustang after I criticized it of having bad understeer in the first place shows an even greater lack of tact. The reason why I compared the mustang in the first place was because it too has bad understeer, but at least in its case the rwd can compensate and somewhat neutralize it when you are on the gas.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 8:42:53 PM | | Votes: 0   

That argument became pointless when the game Forza 3 was mentioned. Its an arcade game.

— veyron1001 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/19/2009 10:50:43 PM | | Votes: 1   

How so? It's a simulator which allows people to experience how hundreds of different kinds of vehicles handle in the comfort of their own living room. Hell, they even create live tire deformation and include it's effects into the handling of the vehicle. I would say anyone who has pushed a vehicle to its limit in the safe confines of this game would have 10 times the driving experience of someone who drove the car in everyday traffic for a few days. Just because something is fun doesn't discredit it as a source.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 1:15:02 AM | | Votes: 0   

Oh My Goodness !!

I have been debating a Vritual Reality Driving Expert.

Joe_Limon
I apologise for my ignorance, i should have known that my Real World Experience would fail miserably when compared to your On Screen Experience.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 9:22:46 AM | | Votes: 0   

*sigh*

Your sarcasm only makes you seem more close minded. You still have no argument in regards to the Scirocco's understeer and you brushed my argument under on the basis that you don't appreciate how complex modern simulators are. Driving any car in the city obeying the speed limits, hell even breaking them now and again will not let you fully understand how a car handles. I will admit I didn't fully understand my car that I have been driving for 3 years now until I brought it out to an autocross event *shocker, real world driving*. I stand by my statement, where if someone else where to have driven my car in a simulator for ten minutes, up to that autocross they would have known more about how my car handles then I did.

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 1:14:44 PM | | Votes: 0   

Show me some proof that todays caucasion males ain't a bunch of wussywhooped mofos. I'll bet you can't.

— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 4:01:52 AM | | Votes: 1   

NASCAR is still popular. bahaha :P

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 4:17:17 AM | | Votes: 2   

Badgewhore

I was replying to your statement about the Sirocco looking Dorky and Feminine. It looks nothing of the sort.

Over here it is mostly driven by men {Sub 30s men} and it looks quite unfriendly to put it mildly.

Feminine looking cars would be;
A3/Mini/Megane{Outgoing Model}/Eos/307/Focus........

Sirocco is Squat and wide with a serious frown, Very Unfeminine.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 9:30:50 AM | | Votes: 1   

OK, I'll agree with that, even Joe got me with the NASCAR thing. However there's no VW in NASCAR so it doesn't count It might if VW decideds to enter NASCAR to challenge Toyota.

— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 12/20/2009 2:18:43 PM | | Votes: 1