Edmunds reviews the new BMW 135i

my STi will smoke this car...haha and what STi is 39k?

but good job with the 135i BMW...it really grew on me

— VRstage2STi (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 3:42:44 PM | | Votes: 0   

The STi is in a different category. It's a luxury car. The Suby is far from that.

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 3:50:19 PM | | Votes: 1   

What? The 1 series aint no luxury car, it's simply overpriced. What does it compete with?- The A3, Elantra...

— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 6:06:09 PM | | Votes: 1   

What does the 1-Series compete with? Well, I think that should be fairly obvious. What's the only car to "beat" the 335i Coupe in a comparison test? The G37. Why? Because it was cheaper. The G was smaller and it would lose every performance category, but ended up winning a couple of comparisons because it was cheaper. And even with the lower price and smaller dimensions it still lost most comparisons.

Enter the 1-Series. Similar size to the G? Check. Similar price to the G? Check. Performance that will absolutely demolish the G? Double check. Quadruple check. And since I'm sure most folks complaining about the "niceness" of the 1-Series haven't actually been inside one, let me assuage your concerns -- that cockpit is a nice place to be. Materials and fit and finish are top notch, and the layout is even similar to the E46 3-Series where everything is canted towards the driver (a common complaint when the E90 came out).

BMW haters can say whatever they want, the 1-Series is going to be a serious winner. Drive one.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 6:44:50 PM | | Votes: 4   

"The A3, Elantra... "

Putting aside the fact that the A3 is a hatch, how could it ever be considered competition for the ELANTRA?

Also... the 1 Series is most certainly a luxury car. A fantastic one at that.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 7:37:16 PM | | Votes: 1   

All BMW come with a AUX set up to "play your Ipod throught the speakers" standard. The option is for a full integration (menus, play list etc), and is competitive with other manufacture.

— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 4:14:32 PM | | Votes: 6   

They also charge $1400 for real leather. I don't understand how a "luxury" BMW car comes standard with luxurious fake ("leatherette") leather.

— Agent250 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 12:00:19 AM | | Votes: -1   

There is not a single manufacturer that will give you the iPod hookup for free.

And, judging by their sales, for every customer lost, two new ones are gained.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 7:38:02 PM | | Votes: 1   

Our 1-series has just arrived. We drove the 135 yesturday. That car is frickin amazing. Currently I own a 2006 330xi and 2008 535i. The 135 is just awesome. It is solid, handles very tightly and the brakes are unbelievable for a car of this size. I put my order in to replace my 330xi. Cant wait

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 4:30:33 PM | | Votes: 4   

what a childish remark

— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 5:46:47 PM | | Votes: 3   

Wait till you see one in real life. I have seen them on the road for the past 4 years and they are ghastly. The coupe isn't any better.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 3:44:32 AM | | Votes: -1   

And i'll be the grown up here and not comment on your childish remark.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 3:45:07 AM | | Votes: -1   

1-series isn't a very attractive car. but you are sadly mistaken about the rest of the line-up....all the 3-series, the 7-series, X5, X6, M3, M5, M6...GREAT looking cars. and you'll never mistake them as a rebadged version of a people-mover.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 9:31:09 PM | | Votes: 2   

oh, and I was surprised at how much nicer it was inside than I thought it was going to be. I hadn't seen the red interior before on the 1-Series, though I'm a fan of it in the 3-Series. It looks really good with the grey wood or the textured aluminum (the aluminum looked similar to the textured aluminum in the S5).

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 5:47:24 PM | | Votes: 1   

God your delusional, the 135i is one of the most sought after, if not the most sought after BMW's on the road. I just love when the Lexus fan boys rip on this car, they just don't get it. This car is pure BMW, more than any other BMW out there. Small, fast and a blast to drive. Maybe that is why they hate BMW so much, they just don't get fun to drive.

Keep hating and BMW will keep selling the 135i.

— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 8:56:27 PM | | Votes: 5   

No top of the line BMW is worth half its price after 2-3 years. And the 135 is the top of the line 1-Series. My 2002 E46 M3 convertible is worth $33k, stickered at $67k with every option and the hard top. So 6-years later the top of the line E46 is worth half the sticker....

— vman1013 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 9:12:49 PM | | Votes: -4   

you're an idiot, and that's nonsense. BMWs hold their resale value very well, better than most cars.

— pushrod27 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 10:14:46 PM | | Votes: 4   

Not as ugly as the hideous IS-F, that just got wooped by 4.4 seconds a lap by the M3.

— carnuts (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 1:22:38 AM | | Votes: 3   

Nah, they are both overpriced. Euro Delivery does take some of the sting away and make the 135i tempting...

— AE86 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 9:28:42 PM | | Votes: 0   

4.4 seconds

— carnuts (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 1:20:02 AM | | Votes: 3   

a Journey package G37 is the same price. Where's the "wow" for that one? Even if the G comes with more equipment the BMW includes maintenance, so there goes the savings on the Infiniti. Plus, if you're going to give the G extra credit for extra equipment then you have to give the BMW extra credit for the rather large helping of extra performance.

When I see the numbers it looks to me like worst case they cost basically the same. And I'm pretty sure that's what BMW was shooting for when they created the car.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 2:40:40 PM | | Votes: -1   

im not sure where you are getting your pricing. based on msrp, similarly equipped the 135i will still be 1-2k more than a G37S, both manuals.

even then i dont see the rather large helping of extra performance. a tenth of a second to 60? it used to be that 3 series coupe buyers justified the extra 8-10k for that 0.1 seconds. so in a way the 135i is what the 335i should have been.

believe me i would be driving a 135i if it wasnt so ugly. i spend 4, maybe 5, days out of the year on the track and anyone who has done enough time at the track knows that the hobby is mighty expensive. to truely be fast, no luxury car can be considered a good basis.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 4:38:36 PM | | Votes: 1   

the MSRP of the G37 came from the Edmunds Inside Line test of the G37, just as the 135's did in the article this thread is about. Let's say the MSRP is $1-2k different, what does that buy you?

1) maintenance included, easily worth $2k,
2) 0-60 5.0 seconds, 1/4 mile 13.3 versus 5.5 and 13.9
3) 60-0 109ft versus 113ft
4) 0.89g skidpad versus 0.86g
5) 72.4mph slalom versus 71.3mph

All those figures are from the Edmunds tests as well. Some of the figures are close, some aren't. But in ALL of them the 135i's are better. So yeah, there's a performance difference for your $1-2k. And the maintenance. And finally, you get a BMW instead of an Infiniti. I'm not trying to sound like a bradge whore but there is a difference between the perceived levels of those two vehicles. If similar money to an Infiniti buys me a similar BMW that also happens to outperform the Infiniti, be as nicer or nicer than the Infiniti (and I've been in both, it is), and include maintenance, sorry, but I'd driving the BMW. As would most people.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 8:17:09 AM | | Votes: 1   

and before you say "Edmunds times for the G37 are slow" please note that their times for the 135i are also slow. It's because they don't allow the 1 ft rollout other magazines do for acceleration testing. Other magazines have gotten 0-60 in 4.7 seconds for the 135i, as did Edmunds when they used the rollout. So the performance difference is still a half second or so 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile. That's a pretty big difference for two cars that are priced and sized very similarly.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 11:53:22 AM | | Votes: 1   

based on the specs these cars are nearly identical. on a track it really would be the difference in the driver and tires. there is give and take on both. but hey, if you feel the badge is more important then get your BMW. im not sure if youre saying that you only see the badge and that most others are like you, but im willing to bet most people arent badge whores.

you can be honest, im not some fanboy. you can tell me that even if the G37 had better numbers and higher price you would still get the BMW.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 1:40:19 PM | | Votes: 1   

gsh, the Infiniti is marginally cheaper at best, and that's offset by the maintenance anyway. It's also slower in every measurable dimension by about half a second, doesn't brake as well (though close), doesn't handle as well (though close), isn't as nice inside (though better than before), etc. And I'm not talking about "on the track", where most 135i and G37 owners will never go. The around town performance of the 135i will be significantly better than the G.

So it's not about buying the 1-Series because of the badge. With all those things going in the favor of the 1-Series frankly the only reason to buy the G is because you are either in love with the looks, hate the 135i looks, or because you actively refuse to purchase BMWs (kind of "reverse brand whoring"). In every measurable way the 135i kills the G, and without the "value card" to throw down anymore I just don't see any reason to get a G. The fact that for the same price the 135i does everything better than the G AND is a "higher tier" brand is almost like a bonus.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 3:01:40 PM | | Votes: 2   

no one is pulling 0.89g in "around town" driving. the only bonus you get being able to say that the 135i kills the G is because its slightly faster. but then again its moot because if youre not racing on the track, then performance numbers are not so important.

im still confused why you think BMW is a higher tier brand. a 135i wont garner as much respect as an M6, despite the brand association. its clear to me that image is very important to you. but i think you are forgetting some of the more visceral characteristics of a car which leads someone to choose it.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 4:25:03 PM | | Votes: 1   

"im still confused why you think BMW is a higher tier brand"

Really? Seriously? Are you being sarcastic or are you really not sure why I (and pretty much everyone else on earth) considers BMW a higher tier marque than Infiniti?

If you're really asking, I guess it's because Infiniti aims every vehicle they make at BMW and sells by offering them as "value alternatives" to the BMW models. They're not trying to "out luxury" Lexus or Mercedes. They're trying to be sport oriented technology laden cars (sound like BMW? You bet) for less than BMW. They do very well with that strategy. But higher tier brands don't sell based on "our car is a more affordable version of the car we're emulating". The higher tier marques are the ones BEING emulated. And they sell because people aspire to own one, dream of being able to drive them, etc.

And that is why BMW is a higher tier to me than Infiniti.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/20/2008 6:29:12 PM | | Votes: 1   

They always beat Lexus in sales.........

— Targa (View Profile)

Posted on 3/21/2008 1:12:43 PM | | Votes: 1