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Experts Recommend Diesels To Federal Regulators In Report
A panel of outside experts advising federal regulators about available technologies for improving fuel economy will include light-duty diesel engines in its final report.

In an interim report made public today, the panel said developments in emission controls indicate that modern diesels will be able to comply with U.S. clean-air regulations.

The potential of diesel engines to reduce fuel consumption by as much as 30 to 40 percent over comparable gasoline engines justifies their inclusion on the list of available technologies, the interim report said.

The panel, working under the National Research Council, was asked by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to update a 2001 study of fuel-saving technologies.

Neither diesels nor hybrids were included in the landmark 2001 report, which served as a basis for rules that modestly raised light-truck fuel economy standards for the 2005-11 model years.

It also helped fuel the congressional debate that led to enactment in December of a new energy law. The measure calls for a 40 percent increase in car and truck standards, to a 35 mpg fleet average by 2020.

Diesels were left out of the earlier study because they could not meet clean-air standards. Hybrids, then considered a niche technology, also will be included in the new report.

But the panel said it must continue to concentrate on how to improve vehicles powered by gasoline engines, which still power " the vast majority of vehicles," the panel said.

The updated study will not deal extensively with all-electric or fuel cell vehicles because " the committee does not expect commercialization of fuel cell vehicles or widespread marketing of all-electric vehicles before 2020," the interim report said.

A final report is due by mid-2008. NHTSA must issue its first set of standards under the new energy law by April 1, 2009, effective for the 2011 model year.

The National Research Council is the administrative body for the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering and the Institute of Medicine.

The research council said the private, nonprofit institutions, collectively called the National Academies, operate under a congressional charter to provide expert advice to the federal government and public.

 


Experts Recommend Diesels To Federal Regulators In Report



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1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 2/21/2008 11:41:12 AM
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"Hybrids....also will be included in the new report."

Ya think?

Nice headline and opening paragraph tho, focusing only on the diesels.

O Lord, it's gonna be that kinda day.......


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NeverfollowNeverfollow - 2/21/2008 3:01:03 PM
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Do you have to show just how uneducated you really are? Please don't make statements as fact when you obviously know nothing about the subject.

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BoredBored - 2/21/2008 10:57:52 PM
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Josh,

Now you're starting to sound like a robot or someone who's been brainwashed instead of individual of free will.


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OblivObliv - 2/21/2008 2:13:00 PM
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Diesel > hybrid.

Hybrids are only neat in a mix of the two.


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johannasjohannas - 2/21/2008 3:03:15 PM
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Don't forget that a major part of diesel's appeal is that it can run on fuels other than ground oil. I don't think that a diesel's full potential has been realized yet, just like hybrids of various types.


TheSailorTheSailor - 2/21/2008 3:17:06 PMView My AgentSpace
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LexusAdmirer copy pasting the same post in every single thread doesn't make it true...


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 2/21/2008 3:41:05 PM
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keep copying and pasting, we need voices of reason.


OblivObliv - 2/21/2008 4:08:34 PM
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CLEARLY unbiased sources...

Im sure those hybrid batteries emit flowers, too!



jimmyjumpjimmyjump - 2/21/2008 5:07:05 PM
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Borrowed.."42 gallons per barrel makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products, including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes increase the volume."

Crude oil is a mix of hydrocarbons that yield the above variety of distallates. You get gas and diesel both. I wont argue the energy input required to make each but I believe you need to 'boil' the mix anyway to seperate it at the various temps in the columns to process the different products.

What I dont understand is the ratio of gas to diesel yeild per barrel of crude fixed or are there different methods that yield more of one than the other. If there is a fixed ratio and diesel yield is lower than gas per unit of oil there is will be a steep supply curve and the resulting price increases as demand outstrips production.







TheSailorTheSailor - 2/21/2008 5:24:18 PMView My AgentSpace
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The ratio changes depending on the crude used. Diesel contains more carbo-groups per molecule meaning that it can be cracked into gasoline, however, the molecules are not big enough to split into two gasoline molecules per diesel molecule (the number of carbo groups varies) so the conversion from diesel to gasoline is quite inefficient and produce alot of unwanted byproducts including noxious gasses and CO2...

As to shortage of supply, there is a huge surplus of gasoil (the stuff used to make diesel), so much infact that it is sold in a lesser refined version (with much higher sulfur contents) to ships at dumping prices (less than half of diesel prices) in order to get rid of it.



chewychewy - 2/21/2008 9:24:44 PMView My AgentSpace
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diesel still has more energy per gallon than gasoline, and always will, you end up having more oil in that same gallon


BoredBored - 2/21/2008 11:13:00 PM
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@ Lexus_Admirer,

If The League of Extraordinary...um, I meant the Union of Concerned Scientists, truly believes in that statement, then why the hell have they never piped up before over its use in Europe? And don't tell me because they only base their study on America! Give me 3 foreign based studies that support that theory on a global basis. It doesn't even mention the use of urea filters for diesels. You know why?

BECAUSE THE ARTICLE THAT YOU REFERENCE IS FROM APRIL 12, 2005!!!

Obviously, modern technology is moving too fast for you to keep up.



BoredBored - 2/22/2008 4:26:37 PM
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@ Lexus_Admirer,

"Because the price of diesel fuel in Europe is cheaper than gasoline and Europe's emissions standard is lower than the US."

Price and emissions standards doesn't justify you trying to pass off a 3 year old study that is now irrelevant. You refuse to broaden your scope and realize that if Europe really was an issue, it would have been addressed years ago.

Besides, the very moment Toyota decides to bring diesels (or even hybrid diesels) to America you and Josh will be changing your tune. I'm sure both of you are aware that Toyota does make diesels, right?



TheSailorTheSailor - 2/22/2008 5:55:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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Diesel is actually more expensive in some parts of europe and if you cared to do some research, you would know that the lower taxes on diesel are neing removed... But people still buy diesels because they are so much cheaper to drive...


TheSailorTheSailor - 2/23/2008 4:12:53 AMView My AgentSpace
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Okay... I'll Just try this again:

DO YOU HAVE A SINGLE PIECE OF SOLID EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT OR JUST THE WORD OF A LEFT'IST ORGANISATION?!?!?



BoredBored - 2/23/2008 4:21:34 AM
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@ Lexus_Admirer,

Looks like we will just have to agree to disagree.

I am, however, more than willing to concede defeat if you are able to at the very least convince Toyota to stop producing diesels for their non-American markets.

Or would you be willing to accept Toyota manufacturing engines that run on biodiesel for their non-American markets?

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to paint you into a corner here. It's really not my intent. I'm just trying to get my point across. Furthermore, I see it as the only solution to convince me to side with you.



amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 2/21/2008 2:45:54 PM
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of course.. idiots buying hybrids...heheh

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1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 2/21/2008 3:41:38 PM
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well that added a lot to the discourse.


rallyssrallyss - 2/21/2008 7:09:00 PM
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diesels offer simmiler gains as hybrids for less money, they run forever, they can run on bio diesel, they can make insane power, and you dont have to worry about spending up to $5,000 on new batteries in the future i know which one id choose

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mini22mini22 - 2/22/2008 11:48:10 AM
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In addition now I'm reading that corn based ethanol is more harmful to our environment then diesel or gas in terms of Co2 emmissions.

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