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Finnish millionaire receives a $143,196 speed ticket

tryme submitted on 3/11/2009 Official Bell & Ross Timestamp: 12:17:18 PM

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Jari Bär, the Finnish millionaire and former proprietor of the Iisalmi’s company Finnritilä was given a penalty of 111,888 Euros ($143,196) for driving at 82 km/h (51mph) in a 60 km/h (37 mph) zone last January in Siilijärvi, Finland.

The fine would have only been 115 Euros if the speed was 80km/h.

The enormous penalty for just a speeding ticket was explained this way. In Finland, traffic fines are dependent on the daily income of the violator. Since Mr. Bär was 2 km/h over the speed limit he had to pay an equivalent of his income in 12 days. As it turned out, Mr. Bär’s daily income in 2007 was computed at 9,300 Euros since he sold a majority stocks in his company that year.

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Finnish millionaire receives a $143,196 speed ticket

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M53R

What a stupid rule!

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Posted on 3/11/2009 12:23:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

HSCenterconsole

Politicians love punishing the rich (ie people who work hard and are succesful).

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Posted on 3/11/2009 12:29:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -13   

theoptimisticpessimist

Like Bernie Madoff.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 5:26:12 PM | | Votes: 2   

HSCenterconsole

Politicians love punishing the rich (ie people who work hard and are succesful).

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Posted on 3/11/2009 12:29:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -11   

JUGNU

After reading this, i think of kimi. It's good he doesn't live there seeing his job and income. He lives in Switzerland.

JUGNU

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Posted on 3/11/2009 12:37:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

answer

Something to brag about I guess.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 12:55:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

grysko

So if you're unemployed, can you speed your ass off and not have to pay a fine?

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:23:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12   

Threepoint1415926

That's exactly what I was thinking

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:24:46 PM | | Votes: 3   

monster

Are you saying that people who do not have a lot of money don't work hard. Try working as a laborer or construction worker and tell me that it is not a hard work.

Let me give you an example. Say you if a construction worker earns $10k a year gets a speed ticket costing $200. That represents 2% of his salary. Now if the take someone well off (say you for example) and you earn a decent $100K a year. if the ticket costs the same that means you pay a 0.2% of your salary as a ticket. Same offense but different impact of the person.

Now if you reverse the role, and take 2% of your salary that would be $2000 for a ticket. Is it fair. You tell me.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:24:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Threepoint1415926

I can see your point, but your idea fails to realize the people who dont work on salary. For example, I'm in real estate. I can make nothing for a year or even two and make three or four years of income on one deal. So should I be charged for when I am making income or when I'm not?

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:28:28 PM | | Votes: 1   

monster

Good point. I did not account for that. I guess this is where the last years salary comes into play.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:32:12 PM | | Votes: 2   

Threepoint1415926

...but I didnt make an income last year. I made nothing at all, I actually encountered a loss. Maybe I should get paid for speeding :)

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:37:42 PM | | Votes: 1   

HSCenterconsole

Fines for speeding should be based on the violation and nothing else. Let's say Bill Gates and I both get pulled over for going 10mph over the limit. Our fines should be exactly the same. Fines should be "blind" (ex: 10mph over the limit gets you $100 fine no matter what your income is).

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Posted on 3/11/2009 1:50:30 PM | | Votes: 2   

Threepoint1415926

I agree with HSCenterconsole to some extent. If a fine simply exists as a deterrent or revenue generator (as is the case for most fines), than all fines should be flat and based on violation. However, if a fine exists as a punishment for breaking the law, the impact of the punishment should be the same for everyone. In terms of prison, we all have one life and so many days. As far as money goes, monster is right, some people just aren't punished by $100 fines.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 2:14:30 PM | | Votes: -1   

kablaam

By your measure, what incentive do I have to study hard in school, be innovative, take prudent risks and hopefully earn a lot of money to take care of my family and future generations? This is what made America the greatest nation on earth.

Liberals are all alike, its sickening and it is destroying America.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 10:05:39 PM | | Votes: 3   

mcpercr9

Dude Bill speeding on his segway?? He is the reason you can have 959s in the US and other non federalized cars!! Big time Porsche guy!

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Posted on 3/12/2009 12:46:11 AM | | Votes: 1   

0to60

If I got that kind of a ticket, I would be finnished! LOL, I know, horrible joke. I am so cheesy.

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Posted on 3/11/2009 2:21:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

1UAW

Sailor is this true?

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Posted on 3/11/2009 3:33:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Htay7500

Seriously?

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Posted on 3/11/2009 5:13:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

sigmabody

That'll teach you to live in a country which punishes the rich... stupid Finns...

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Posted on 3/11/2009 5:17:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

1995e34

all my rich friends drive like maniacs: passing school bus on shoulder (while children are exiting), mailbox baseball, drunk driving, comatose driving, bumper cars, putting transmission in reverse @ 80 mph...the list goes on.

taxes increase with income, why not tickets?

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Posted on 3/11/2009 6:01:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

XYZZ


precisely!

all the complainers have NO IDEA of the principle behind GRADUATED income (and other) taxes. if all fines were just a fixed, flat amount for everyone, it be but a pittance for those with large incomes. the puny fines (for them) would be NO DETERRENT at all against aggressive driving. which as noted by 1995334, tends be indulged in MORE by richer people.

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Posted on 3/12/2009 7:54:02 AM | | Votes: 1   

1995e34

ok, maybe not "all". and they are more of acquaintances than friends, but i think i made my point.

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Posted on 3/12/2009 11:02:25 AM | | Votes: 0   

1995e34

mentally, they will always be in secondary school. if its any consolation, they did roll their parents suv while attempting their version of america's pastime.

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Posted on 3/12/2009 12:43:27 PM | | Votes: -1   

no1listensanyway

Stupid Europeans, they punish the wealthy and reward the lazy regular people

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Posted on 3/12/2009 11:02:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Type707

Dam...a 6 digit speeding ticket?...They probably caught him getting a BJ.

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Posted on 3/12/2009 10:31:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Jordanski

WTF. Only 2 km/h above? And its Finland too, you'd think they'd be more sincere. That would never happen here in Canada. I'm positive he can still argue out of that. Seriously though, he was only going 22 kkm/h over the limit. And since their gloat zone is 20 km/h, then he only went 2 km/h over!

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Posted on 3/12/2009 11:58:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

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