Ford Fusion built better than the Camry/Accord...

See I told you guys it got the Apeal award but apparently people think the fusion is a horrible car! I have one and a fender bender but thanks to the flexible bumper nothing happened but my friends Murano got in one and it was totally dented

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:07:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

See I told you guys it got the Apeal award but apparently people think the fusion is a horrible car! I have one and a fender bender but thanks to the flexible bumper nothing happened but my friends Murano got in one and it was totally dented

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:08:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

sorry double post

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:11:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Good for them, the thing alot of people seen to "NOT" understand why Toyota is so successful. It is because Toyota reliabity Reliability. Don't belief do a search on this site and see who the king of 2006 recall is.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:17:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

Recently there have been some Toyota recalls as well. But saying that there are too many Ford products that are not built as well as Toyota products.Especially when it comes to trucks.Also there have and continue to be reports of engine fires in some of the Ford trucks. I'm glad that the Fusion has gotten a good write up. Ford needs some positive strokes right now.

— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:26:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

God could come down from the sky and annouce that the Fusion is the best car ever built.....I still wouldn't buy it ...

— bubbahotep (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 2:41:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

A solid effort from Ford with the Fusion. But alas, they are about 6 years too late. Plus when placed next to the Camry, Altima and Sonata, it looks ghastly.

— delan (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 4:19:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

I'm glad Ford and their Fusion have supporters. They need them...

...but don't confuse the appeal study with build quality. It's an emotional appeal study. It's good that Ford won in their category, but this study tends to be a report on the newest cars. This is the most flawed study in the JD Power line-up, IMO.

In JD Power Initial Quality Study, the Fusion didn't show up on the top 3, this was dominated by the usual suspects.

The Fusion failed crash tests miserably, which to me is an element of build quality.

CR rated the Accord Hybrid, Prius and the Accord 4 cylinder as more reliable than the Fusion. Still, they did beat out the Camry and Accord 6 cylinder (albeit only slightly), so kudos to them... but the headline and commentary are a little misguided and misleading.

— webguy (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 4:37:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Toyota has been serious competition for three decades.

Ignoring the mediocre products that the Big 3 are currently producing only adds fuel to the fire.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 5:12:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

because there weren't any other competeting manufacturers...???
then people invented emissions regs and fuel economy, and BANG went caddy, lincoln and V8s, then german cars became amazing, the japanese cars became reliable and well engineered - BANG chevvy, dodge and ford, and it's been downhill ever since.
oh and of course the ford pinto went bang by itself.

for 30 years american cars have been getting worse, while everyone else's got better, I think it's time american stuff improved.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:32:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

it won't be much longer.

as gm's sales have been going downhill, they've been desparately PUMPING ON THE BRAKES, and yet the slide CONTINUES.

meanwhile, toyota's turbos are only just spooling up. toyota will ROCKET past before the year is over.

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 7:08:02 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I thought it would've been "jt716" (is that his name?) who posted this article.

This is a desperate attempt at kudos.

The Fusion is boring in every respect. Accord is much better to drive, and Camry is much nicer on the inside.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 5:11:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I too am glad that Ford has got a winner with the Fusion, but this utterly BS from a Ford flaming boy, “lightningSVT”. The facts will always be facts and the truth will set you free. The Fusion is a nice alternative but it’s bland next to the competitors. Don’t get started about where Ford got the styling cues for the Fusion. If you don’t know then you’re blind like most extreme fan by brand. What Ford and GM got going for them is that they are American company and patriotism, if you want to call it that. I too want the domestics to do well because it’s good for the economy, but competition bring the best out of any product. If not for the Japanese, we would probably still driving cars and trucks that are badly engineered.

— Voiture (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 5:38:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

this article doesn't really matter, because people are still going to go and buy the camry, just because its a toyota. thats why the camrys sells are way higher then the fusions. i kind of feel bad for ford, because no matter what they do, people still go and buy toyotas. shoot i do the samething.

— trd1 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:06:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

this article doesn't really matter, because people are still going to go and buy the camry, just because its a toyota. thats why the camrys sells are way higher then the fusions. i kind of feel bad for ford, because no matter what they do, people still go and buy toyotas. shoot i do the samething.

— trd1 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:09:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Its' not surprising that the Fusion won this award. But, Consumer Reports' subscribers is a very limited population of people to extrapolate truly reliable results, don't you think?
And the demographic profile of someone who would subscribe to CR makes me skeptical as well.
The only person I ever knew who subscribed to Consumer REports is someone who once called the sixth generation Buick Skylark an "awesome, nice car".

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:26:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Isn't the Fusion just a gussied-up Mazda6?
I know they were designed in tandum, just wonder who's enjoying the accolades over the Fusion fuss, Ford or Mazda?
-Alex

— tecnopolis (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:42:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Well the platform is from the Mazda 6 but the engine is from Ford. Other then disliking the tail lamps I don't think the Fusion is bland at all. I think the Camry is quite bland but then I don't think it matters in this segment a whole lot.

— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 6:59:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

S4cabriofoxone i didnt post this just cuz i own one doesn't me I support it 100%. Interior needs definite improvement and it shows areas of cost cutting no lock and light in glovebox plastic etc. And I guess i bough it cuz it drives well and looks great but i mite sell it in a year or 2. So don't think I'm a hardcore Ford fan becuz i mite go for a volvo or Lexus

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 7:13:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

*mean

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 7:50:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Looks like the Toyota empire is crumbling.

lol

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 8:39:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

We all know that the Japanese was able to take advantage of the domestics while they were asleep at the wheel. But FACT stands, the domestics can and has proven they can build a very competitive product, but it will take a number of years before they are in a postion to win back the hearts of the average American. America's want not only a winning car company to boost about, but the product to prove so. I'm very glad Ford has made the Fusion and if they are smart, they will continue with the advancement of product and go beyond what others can do. But competitive never stands still.

Good going Ford.

— mobiustech (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 8:43:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

!!!FORD FUSION IS DEFINETLY THE WINNER IN RECALLS!!!

— 1000rrRider (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 9:02:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

for one, theres no such thing as toyota fans...we are lexus fans. geez and there IS a difference.

no one is rooting for the camry...its just a cheap car, that a lot of people drive. Now if this article said "Ford Edge better than RX350"?, we'd be all the way to post 367

— LexusKindaGuy12 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 9:18:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Ford needs to bring the Mondeo to the US (the new concept) and they will start to gain sales again - hope they won't be too late again though.

— kart1 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 10:35:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Good for Ford. The problem is that Ford, like GM, needs to do this consistantly, with no problems and no recalls for say the next decade. This requires a long term committment and of course downsizing of a huge dinosaur. The other problem that Ford has is standing behind its product. I am not feeling very good about a company that has the attitude that if something goes wrong with my purchase, that I am on my own. I know this from 2 new car purchases from Ford in the last 7 years. I will not buy another vehicle from them again. I might a decade from now if they can change their attitude and make a consistantly high quality product. Good luck Ford!

— stevenv1999 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 10:56:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

lightningSVT are you really that stupid or are you just playing?

— stevenv1999 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/6/2007 11:22:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

if ford merged with gm, the result would be a dinosaur DROPPING TWICE AS FAST in sales and profits! LOL!

even gm knew this. why else did they toss oldsmobilt to the wolves, hoping to save the rest of the company?

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 6:52:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hey redneck, do us all a favor and go eat $hit and die already!

— Voiture (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 2:43:33 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The difference between Ford and Toyota are: Toyota always voluntarily recalls their vehicles. Ford, who has more recalls than any other automaker, has to be forced to recall theirs. Don't believe me..check out the government site...ODI (office of Defects Investigations)...see who has more complaints...and again all of Toyotas recalls were voluntary..thats the key....On the ODI site, that's where consumers complain and then it's investigated and they try to get the automaker to do recalls for serious problems. Trust me I am not biased at all. I don't own a toyota...don't really care for their products...I do like Lexus and I like Ford F-150s...I think the Ford products besides the f 150's are all UGLY.

— ryaajus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 10:11:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Where's Renlex? I'd be interested to see what he has to say on the topic...

— Willis (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 4:39:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

No offense to Mexicans intended, but the Fusion is built in Mexico.

— ryaajus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 10:17:13 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Lightning SVT...what do you mean if it wasn't for Henry Ford it wouldn't be a Toyota...I know you're not thinking that Ford built the first car...the first automoble was a Mercedes.

— ryaajus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 10:20:17 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The first successful gas powered automobile was a Benz. 1885

— ryaajus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 11:32:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The first car was a Benz not a Ford in 1886 not in 1885. Ford Fusion is nice on the outside but it's gages look like they are from the 80's and it's built on old technology.

— 1000rrRider (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 1:12:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I find it funny how some people still find it acceptable to openly bash gay people (or any type of people for that matter) and assume that they all have aids/hiv, etc. That type of talk went out with the 1980's. Hey everybody, I guess that he's more stupid that we knew he already was.

SVT's predicted rebuttle: More fag jokes, jap jokes, name calling, childish comments, etc.

— cynic (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 2:07:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

S4cabriofoxone I didnt get a raise and I said I mite get one but i'm still happy with my Fusion its not a bad car I was the first one on the whole of SXM to have one and everyone was impressed! Doesnt mean if someone is rich they have to buy a high end car. My best friend just got a c230 sport and they bought a fusion a few months b4 that! Its a good car not everything is right with it but its a good driving car . At least Ford is trying to get it together n not total rebadgin like Saturn with the Aura and Astra and i would gladly go for an Ople over a Saturn ne day. But my ultimate dream car is a Range Rover its unreliable who cares? If I can afford it I can pay to fix it. I love Range Rovers

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 2:09:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

"However, toyota has never really be "top notch" when it comes to reliability, not as much as lexus."

Lexuskindaguy12, are you light-headed?

Lexus IS Toyota. They have the same reliability ratings, the same satisfaction ratings, the same owners, what are quite obviously the same designers...

Toyota has always been pretty good, and so has Lexus, in terms of reliability. I feel that Honda/Acura are even more reliable, though.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 9:51:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

"At least Ford is trying to get it together n not total rebadgin like Saturn with the Aura and Astra and i would gladly go for an Ople over a Saturn ne day. But my ultimate dream car is a Range Rover its unreliable who cares? If I can afford it I can pay to fix it. I love Range Rovers"

I would say with confidence that the re-badged Opel/Saturn Aura is a better car than the Fusion. I'm sorry for your mistaken thought that you got a great deal.

Surprisingly, I agree about the Range Rover. It's beautiful. Not my ultimate dream car, but if my wife had to have one SUV that I could drive to work some days, it would be the Range Rover. We aren't getting it, not because it's too expensive (it isn't), but because it's so unreliable and so thirsty. She wants a good reliability experience and also wants to be lighter on gas.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 9:54:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

KaiserSoze-

That's interesting. My brother has an '01 B5 S4, chipped to 320-330hp. He hasn't had any reliability issues, and loves the car.

I have a 2005 S4 Cabriolet, and while it gets a "Poor" rating from CR, I have yet to experience any problems.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/7/2007 9:56:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

consumer reports. what a read.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 10:40:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The Fusion/Milan/MKZ is a good product for Ford and appears to be doing well. Fords problem right now is there are not enough well styled good looking vehicles in their inventory. The Ford 500 AKA Taurus resurected is a very dull looking car.In addition there is still too much reliance on the truck division.Also reliability is not consistent enough throughout Fords product line. Their truck products have had issues with engine fires. Ford is still too reactive rather then proactive in design.Just look at the restyled old Escort. What a joke! I hope that Mullaly can force Ford to react more quickly to changing market conditions in terms of product.That's the only way they will dig themselves out of this mess.

— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 6:41:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

agree

— mstangpny07 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 8:00:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

agree

— mstangpny07 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 8:00:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

ahh! double post. Lo siento

— mstangpny07 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 8:01:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Isn't Toyota JD powers's pet? Maybee Toyota is really slipping!

— truckmen (View Profile)

Posted on 2/8/2007 10:43:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

CR on the other hand, does NOT have to suck ass to get contracts, sales, advertising, etc. they are NON-PROFIT.

they can, and have, criticized anyone and EVERYONE they find producing sub-par products. even toyota on occasion.

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 2/9/2007 3:13:10 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Having spent some time in a Fusion recently, I personally know I would choose it over a Camry any day. The Fusion was a beautifully assembled, tight, responsive, attractive vehicle. Another big advantage is that is doesn't have that horrid stench of Japanese plastics and adhesives out-gassing throughout the life of the car. (Maybe it's just me, but I can sit blindfolded in a new car and tell you if it is Japanese or not, simply by the unpleasant chemical smell that is unique to them - even the ones built in the US.)

But back to the Fusion. I find it vastly nicer looking that the Camry - cleaner, tighter, edgier in appearance. The interior beats the Camry, too. Although I've not driven a Camry, they are routinely rated as being quick but flabby performers. The Fusion was practically a sports sedan with fast reflexes and ample power.

Ford has a winner here.

— fr88 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/9/2007 10:17:50 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I actually had a Fusion for a rental car. I don't care what people say about how it's a better build but the one i was given was horrible:

1)The window sill rubber pieces was not even lined up with the rear door one.
2)The road noise was loud that I had to raise my voice to speak to the passenger.

I mean the exterior doesn't look that bad for a Ford make but the road noise and the small parts and finishings that should be required in order to sell a car was not inspected during production. Mind you the rental was brand new and probably driven a couple times at couple hundred kilometers. The rental company even notified me about the flaws of the car. On a positive note it wasn't that bad in power distribution. It had a little kick to it. Not like it matters after the negatives have made the decision for you about this car.

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/9/2007 11:45:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3