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Future BMW SAV's revealed and one is a hybrid?
Here is what Automobile Magazine is reporting...

"Upcoming engines-A hybrid drivetrain developed with General Motors and Daimler Chrysler, a turbocharged V-8 good for more than 400hp, and a 300-hp, state of the art twin-turbo diesel. Not to mention the X6 four seat coupe starting in early 2008."

Can't wait to drive the diesel!
Future BMW SAV's revealed and one is a hybrid?



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MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 12:17:47 AM
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Commence Hybrid vs. Diesel arguments in 3, 2, 1....

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Agent001Agent001 - 1/13/2007 12:51:23 AMView My AgentSpace
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LOL!

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M53RM53R - 1/13/2007 3:01:01 AMView My AgentSpace
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I have seen this picture ages ago , and it does look appealing to me. Great news! But i still wouldnt buy a hybrid lol. ( i hope this doesnt turn into a flame war) :D

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MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 10:36:49 AM
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M53R, now what if it is a hybrid diesel?


M53RM53R - 1/14/2007 9:57:51 AMView My AgentSpace
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I still wouldnt really buy it. I wont even buy a diesel lol. I ll only buy petrol, thats what Im used to, and it costs less here in the U.A.E. :D


mstangpny07mstangpny07 - 1/13/2007 9:13:35 AMView My AgentSpace
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That's not it. Look at these:
http://www.x5world.com/x6-e72-forum/24765-auto-zeitung-x6-spy-pics.html

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awsomeaudiawsomeaudi - 1/13/2007 11:27:56 AM
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Fight Fight Fight Fight

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EL34EL34 - 1/13/2007 2:41:32 PM
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Hybrid technology will be around for many years to come.

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MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 3:11:00 PM
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Hypothetically, would you rather drive a hybrid X5 or a diesel Lexus RX?

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MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 3:34:47 PM
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And what if the Lexus was powered by old cooking grease?


MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 5:44:24 PM
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Ummmm...nope. I literally meant good ol fashioned used Canola oil from the back of your local greasy spoon.

Insinuating that if Lexus jumped on that hippie bandwagon and "revolutionized" running a V8 on old fried chicken grease whether you would still choose the Lexus over the alternative?

Pains me to have to flesh that beauty of a friendly joke out. :)


MagjuanMagjuan - 1/13/2007 5:50:24 PM
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Oh and not a flame...I swear no allegiance to BMW or Lexus! :)


BillBill - 1/13/2007 7:17:14 PM
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Wow, this Lexus1 guy is a total idiot. And people wonder why some folks "hate" Lexus. I'll tell you, because of total dumbasses like HIM.


BillBill - 1/13/2007 7:56:44 PM
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Why are you trying to pick a fight, Will?

I never said I hate Lexus because of dumb fanboys.


RupertRupert - 1/14/2007 6:59:52 AMView My AgentSpace
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lexus do make diesels, the IS220d. and it is one unrefined motor, bmw's and audi's are better.
but hybrid X5 or RX diesel? well, i'd have to say, living in a city, a hybrid X5. now if i had a long commute on motorways, diesel RX.


EL34EL34 - 1/15/2007 3:39:29 AM
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MDalle, I did not know Lexus uses cloth for it's interiors.

How crude for a luxury brand.


jt716jt716 - 1/13/2007 3:32:23 PMView My AgentSpace
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I hate the new Lexus cars I love the 1990 ES & LS those are the best models Lexus ever made

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one222one222 - 1/13/2007 5:57:16 PM
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The car in the pic looks great.
Not too many creases (only one, thank god), beautifully proportioned, nice big wheels and great rims - I like it!

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Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/13/2007 6:15:08 PM
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Can we throw Lexus1 off a bridge?

He is clearly no older than 7 years old, and is making wild claims that Lexus invented the Hybrid, Lexus will never use diesel etc.

Ban him, if not for his stupidity, then for his insistance on using Caps Lock.

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BillBill - 1/13/2007 7:22:47 PM
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+1


huu76huu76 - 1/13/2007 10:13:08 PM
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Wow, between MDalle, Matthew and Bill, not one single mention about that ugly turd that's the topic of this forum.

BMW is definitely going to have to include backup sensors/camera for this, that is one humungous blindspot they've designed.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 1/14/2007 10:11:01 AM
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BMW didn't design that, that's an artists rendering trying to guess what BMW is doing. No one has any idea what the X6 is going to look like except the folks working on it. Hopefully it looks nothing like that and looks more like the stretched four door 6-series CGIs that have been floating around for over a year. Those looked pretty sweet.


Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/13/2007 10:22:09 PM
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Or maybe you were the only one who failed to realise the image is computer-generated and merely a 'guess'...

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huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 11:09:39 AM
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Matthew,
No, they've released concept pictures before, so this is based on a real idea, not some socalled "guess".

MDalle,
We have about 6 freshwater lakes bigger than your country. That must piss you guys off.

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RupertRupert - 1/14/2007 3:49:00 PMView My AgentSpace
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why must it piss him off? why should he care? i mean, wow, your country happens to have some big lakes in it...big deal.
nepal has the biggest mountain in the world, how pissed must you be?
such a stupid and desperate statement...


BillBill - 1/14/2007 11:58:51 AM
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Everytime Huu posts, my IQ drops. I'm going to stop reading his posts to keep what intelligence I have left.

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M53RM53R - 1/14/2007 12:03:28 PMView My AgentSpace
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nice 1 lol.


huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 4:03:52 PM
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Rupert,
It was supposed to not have anything to do with his comment. Rather than take a personal shot, I decided just to throw something out into left field to mess with him. Europeans need to get out more.

You all know the facts about hybrids vs diesel, I can't help if you choose to ignore them because VW tells you diesel fumes are good for your health.

Bill,
Learn to tell time yet?

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huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 4:07:34 PM
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Gogo,
Did you notice that Citroen (or whoever designed the diesel-hybrid that won't be here until after 2010) car is basically a Prius clone. I'm sure it's beautiful because it came from the land of wine (whine would be more accurate) and cheese and 9% unemployment..

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huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 4:41:30 PM
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That's sad, I've garnered more comments among the BMW sheep than BMW has in this forum.

It might have something to do with Europe's substandard education system. 27% have post secondary in France, 41% in Denmark and 51% for Canada. Research is practically non-existent in Germany.

How funny, 51 of the top 100 Universities globally are American. Canada almost equals Germany and they're 2.5x larger than us.
Top countries are U.S., England, Japan, Canada. Switzerland is best at 21st (Germany is 45th). See what I mean when I say the U.K. isn't really European. They have more in common with other English speaking nations who make up atleast 2/3 of the list(Australia did quite well also, same # as Canada).

I'll stop gloating though, don't want the Europeans to cry when they realize how pathetic their continent is.

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RupertRupert - 1/14/2007 5:10:41 PMView My AgentSpace
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"I'll stop gloating though, don't want the Europeans to cry when they realize how pathetic their continent is"

could your head be stuck any further up your own arse?


matt635matt635 - 1/14/2007 5:47:48 PM
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huu... I'm from the UK and I fail to see your point, we may have good universities - but our car industry has gone to shit!


MagjuanMagjuan - 1/14/2007 7:20:29 PM
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HOLY CRAP! Sure, I called it that this topic would become a hybrid v. diesel flame war but how in the hell did it become a my country is better than your country pissing contest!!!!!!!!!!!????????

Boy it is sure fun to watch.

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huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 7:34:21 PM
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Rupert,
Not directed at the British, but the truth sucks doesn't it? Europe isn't as high and mighty as they like to think?

matt635,
But your research in other fields are still strong.

A good reason why German cars are going crappy is more than likely directly related to the level of education its engineers have (look at all the new technologies from Japan and N.America vs all the cars with more pistons and dirtier fuel from Europe). American cars are better than European ones now, in power and reliability.

MDalle,
I suppose all that welfare is free? Gotta love your taxes over there (to think I thought Canada's was high)http://www.skm.dk/foreign/english/2177.html
Canada's income tax is roughly 40% overall.
As well, we're 4.5x your size and our national debt is only $80 billion higher (25% more).

Try reading what that poverty line definition means, it even says our numbers are inflated. Unlike your welfare state, we expect some form of productivity from our citizens even when they get welfare. The U.S. is all about competition, you make it or you don't. They tax the least as they expect each citizen to take care of themselves (which is actually part of their history thanks to King George #3, eh Rupert).

btw, the U.S. national debt is only 3-4x larger than France/Germany's but its economy is 5x larger. You guys spend way too much time sitting around telling one another how great you are.

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Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/14/2007 8:11:03 PM
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huu76,

I have a strong feeling your comments linking the quality of European car engineering to their education is more a result of your strong anti-European prejudice, rather than any factual evidence that the technology and engineering aspects of European vehicles are below Japanese and American standards.

For one, I always believed that while you don't really know much about cars in general, you did have an intelligent world view and so some respect could be thrown your way. Now however, I see that your unfounded prejudice has somewhat tainted your credibility.

Maybe you have this strange view that while the Japanese are working away in laboratories with white coats, refining the next generation of Lexus cars, the Europeans are sitting outside smoking and playing darts, hoping to finish testing their new engine sometime next week.

I can assure you the engineering and development processes for European-manufactured cars is very very high, and to speculate otherwise is plain ignorant.

I don't know how much ground clearance your Jeep has, but it seems that you have a 'higher than thou' attitude.



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Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/14/2007 8:11:56 PM
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And by the way, sorry for bringing this thread somewhat back to the topic of cars, we all know how out of his depth huu76 is when it comes to the subject.

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huu76huu76 - 1/14/2007 10:23:52 PM
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The facts speak for themselves. As I said, hearing the truth hurts sometimes. Education, economics, even Kyoto have proven the Europeans wrong (they can't even do what they promised).
Prejudice? I don't think so. Bias, yes. When Japan and the U.S. create a crappy car, I'll say it. Hell, I hate the SC and the FJ Cruiser and I've said it before. Try listening sometime.

I had respect for the last generation of BMW's because they looked good eventhough only the M3 and M5 had the numbers. The current crop look terrible and the numbers aren't what they once were.

Have you not noticed that the cars coming out of Japan have matched and bettered everything from Europe (minus Ferrari and Lambo). U.S. cars still outmatch German ones in numbers and they're better built now.

So yes, everyone's doing research while Europe sits on their laurels talking about handling and badges and how great diesels are if you can just hide all their pollution.

When the Germans bring a car out like the last M3, then you'll hear me commend them. I said last summer, the X5 was the last good BMW.

I'm sure I know more about the industry than you do.

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DarkOneForceDarkOneForce - 1/15/2007 8:28:01 AM
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What is this non-sense Huu_7_months_old ?!

Lexus better than the germans, don't make me laugh.

The Lexuses we have here are the IS220d, and that's pretty much it.
And it's been beatten on just about every level by its german counter parts (performance, fuel efficiency, emissions, space, safety, handling etc. ).




Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/14/2007 10:55:14 PM
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Are you saying U.S-built cars are better than European cars?

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WillisWillis - 1/15/2007 1:37:31 PM
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Huu76,

Your comments are bordering on idiocy. Good day.

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huu76huu76 - 1/15/2007 8:30:36 PM
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Mathew,
Yes.

Willis,
I must be breathing in too many diesel fumes.

Dark,
Sorry to break the news to ya. You been in a cave the last little while?

fantastic :D
Corvette
Viper SRT10
NSX
Skyline
EVO VIII MR
WRX STi
GT40
S7
All unique cars, not 5 variations on the same BMW. (If the IS-F even just matches its claim, you can add 3 cars to this group from Toyota in the next couple of years).

All supercar numbers w/o the supercar prices. The Evo VIII is actually faster than a Porsche 911 GT3. The Saleen S7 matches the mighty Veyron (remember that bad boy?). The S7 TT is even faster.

Care to prove your ignorance some more?

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Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/15/2007 11:30:31 PM
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Mathew,
Yes.

Credibility lost.


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huu76huu76 - 1/15/2007 11:59:29 PM
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You're all just annoyed because you weren't expecting proof that N.American and Japanese cars are better.

I guess the Bentley is a "supercar" then. The Maybach is pretty expensive, it must be one too. The last NSX was only $10K less than the current Porsche GT3. Hmmm, poor, poor Porsche (no longer a super car, probably why I like them).

btw, the S7 TT costs $555,000 USD and it only needs 8 cylinders to do 0-60 in 2.8, faster than an Enzo. NO fancy name, but it gets the job done.

If Europe keeps thinking "if we say it, it makes it true", then they'll continue to come up short. LOL

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 12:10:26 AM
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Civilized world? Do you mean like Spain running home from Iraq with their tails tucked between their legs thinking it'd make them safe from the ETA. It's unfortunate they had to be proven wrong.

Or like in Afghanistan where the U.S. and Canada are fighting to protect the civilized world while the French and German "GOV'TS" order their troops to hide in the back to guard the croissants? (not knocking the soldiers as anyone willing to do it deserves respect)

Or civilized like in Darfur where the U.S. offers peacekeeping troops but the "civilized" Europeans and their Arab allies turn it down because it might offend the Muslim vote?

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 12:12:19 AM
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I suppose if everyone just had a European "Supercar", we'd have world peace by now (if only they'd settle for an ugly ass BMW instead)

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Matthew1Matthew1 - 1/16/2007 1:53:58 AM
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Proof? I don't see it?

I also believe that your dislike for BMW design has somehow made you think that all European cars are bad.

Seeing as you love American cars so much, here a few words that might make you all jolly and patriotic:

Push-rod, 4-speed Auto, leaf-springs, cast-iron, cup-holders, plastic, retro, 18mpg, backwards, desperate, falling market share, a world-renowned motoring journalist dedicating a whole story on Why American Cars Are Bad, roll-overs, lack of product development...etc.

Makes you feel good inside, doesn't it?

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 10:49:49 PM
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MDalle,
Tried to sneak one by me did you?
Canada's 40% tax rate is before any form of tax deduction and loophole. Rich or poor, the tax spread between both countries is still around 25%.

Yes, I do know more about the industry, mostly from my friend who's in it. BMW takes a month to retool a factory, my friend can do an entire model line for Honda in one weekend. He has tons of insider info, which I routinely cite here.
Sanyo Machine Works is his company, they specialize in manufacturing robotic and automation. Look it up.

Gogo,
LOL, it's funny that you need to resort to childish antics. I hear something, is that you stamping your feet too? Education requires more than naming off capital cities.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/31/psa-peugeot-citroen-unveils-diesel-hybrid-technology/
Accept the fact hybrids (tax credit or not) will prevent diesels from ever taking off outside Europe, rightly so too. They're the best solution before hydrogen.

Matthew,
Porsches are good (except the Boxster and Cayenne design wise).
Last C-class was nice.
See my previous post.

But anyway, rather than complaing about the truth brought before it, Europe should try bettering itself.

Germany can atleast brag they're the smartest Europeans on average.

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 10:50:57 PM
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Looking back, what brought this all on was because I said this car has a huge blindspot. Man, some ppl can't take a little criticism.

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 11:49:08 PM
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MDalle,
Last point. You help your weak get a job? We help our weak retrain for a new one, no freebies here. That's why they become more productive because they become more competitive. What's so productive about showing up to a gov't guaranteed job?

btw, I actually like the U.S. system of foodstamps, it guarantees (nothing's perfect) that the benefits they get will be used for necessities.

You guys have a long way to go before you catch Japan, they're unemployment is 4% and that's historically crappy (1.5% is normal for them), and they're all real jobs, not gov't welfare jobs.

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huu76huu76 - 1/16/2007 11:49:46 PM
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