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Have the Lexus IS-F Japanese Specs Been Prematurely Leaked?

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Have the Lexus IS-F Japanese Specs Been Prematurely Leaked?

That may well be the case. First brought to our attention by my.IS member IS300_S in an IS-F Forum discussion thread, an article from the Japanese-language Lexus Times Blog posts some seemingly credible, yet, at this point, unofficial numbers. Add to that whatever gets lost in translation via Babelfish, and these numbers should be taken simply as informed speculation. After all, even that translation says "This information still is unsettled ones". Sounds to us like they're re-emphasizing that the numbers are unofficial. Also up in the air are how (or if) these specifications would vary for North America, Europe, the rest of Asia, the Middle East and Australia/New Zealand.

The article seems to imply that the IS-F specifications are supposed to be announced (to the world? to Lexus dealers in Japan?) on Thursday 4 October 2007. That being the case, Lexus has actually moved the date forward from the previously-planned Press Conferences for the Tokyo Auto Show, either on Wednesday 24 October or Thursday 25 October 2007.

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adamsaf723 - 9/26/2007 9:30:31 AM

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I don't think 6hp will mean that it's slower. The 8-speed transmission and the 60 more ft/lbs of torque will probably do the trick in regards to better track times then the M3. Like with most Lexus/BMW rivalries it will come down to which one you like better.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/26/2007 11:49:03 AMView My AgentSpace

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It's the car's handling that produces better track times, not torque or transmissions. Why do you think the Lotus Elise is faster around a track than a Lamborghini LP640?

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henbmw - 9/25/2007 4:05:46 PM

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Why would they say over 409? Why not 410 or 415? Because it probably only has 410hp. Disappointing to say the least.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 5:32:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yes, it wouldn't make sense to say "over 409hp." It probably has 409.5hp.

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david989 - 9/25/2007 1:34:50 PM

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M35MT - 9/25/2007 1:57:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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yea, an automatic so you have a free hand to jerk off with

LexSucks - 9/25/2007 2:27:59 PM

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Quality? LOL, there are certain Lexus models (Mid ninties GS) that aren't even on the road anymore. Other than the lS400 and the Camry based ES, the lexuses dont last.

Fan1234 - 9/25/2007 6:53:13 PM

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I love you david989!!! Keep up the good work! Your comments are excellent. Lexus is best. The rest can drool.

r15mohd - 9/25/2007 1:35:12 PM

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what games? Toyota/Lexus has given a time of when they will release the numbers, either wait or find a room and enclose yourself so your don't get all the hype surrounded with it!

the hp/tq figures has proven great exposure for the IS-F...if this is their intended strategy, which i don't oppose, it's very well-done marketing!

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 10:54:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yes, exactly! It's MARKETING! That's what Lexus does best- not substance!!!

BMW4me4ever - 9/25/2007 1:35:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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not like it will matter much. They will try and compare it with the M3 and RS4 and lose misreably ...

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w209w114 - 9/25/2007 1:40:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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I think Lexus keeps stalling because they are affraid of embarrassment. This car will be a joke compared to the Germans.

I bet you right now Lexus is trying to add bolt on last minute perfeormance modifications to every already made to look like "less" of a failure and justify its existence.

It doesnt strike me that Toyota/Lexus is proud of this car. If nothing is wrong then why the mystery?

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david989 - 9/25/2007 1:43:50 PM

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recca7 - 9/25/2007 2:12:08 PM

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david989 are you serious or are you just trying to be annoying (need some attention) cause if you are you are doing a hell of a job..why don't you wait till this is-f comes out, let test drivers, magazines give it a try, and let the experts give us some data on how good it truly is before you keep on rambling how it's beats the m3, rs4, and c63 when THE IS-F HASN'T EVEN BEEN TESTED YET!!!! if it does beat all 3 cars then great gloat all you want but until then be reasonable and grow up!

golfer38 - 9/25/2007 3:35:18 PMView My AgentSpace

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Danvid,
Where's this track that you speak of I never heard of it and if the IS-F raced a "taxi" it probably would smoke it.

Bill - 9/26/2007 5:08:22 AM

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Mr. David989,

There is no such thing as the "Nurnbergring". I can see that you're a true car enthusiast (sarcasm intended)...

85bmw745i - 9/26/2007 6:59:58 AMView My AgentSpace

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I wanted this car to do well, but I almost wish it fails just to shut up David989.

w209w114 - 9/26/2007 12:41:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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I agree X-Drive. Lexus is 100% about marketing. Their philosophy "If you feed rubbish to people long enough they will eventually like the taste". Its human nature. Look at these radical muslims. You couldnt beat it out of them with a stick, they are willing to die for ridiculous crazed ideas, Just like David989 goes to extremes with Lexus. Does he even have a Lexus? Can he even afford one or has ever driven one? These are the questions that answers to would be VERY interesting

ste_u6 - 9/29/2007 4:03:14 AM

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Please keep this on file, i will, and then i'll repost it when the IS-F is out so you can read your words and eat them

JUGNU - 9/25/2007 1:48:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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So this means even the recentely shown (but after such a long time)Audi RS6 also played games.Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione Coupe/Spyder is also playing games.

Just a few examples i can remmeber now

as r15mohd rightly said "what games? Toyota/Lexus has given a time of when they will release the numbers, either wait or find a room and enclose yourself so your don't get all the hype surrounded with it!"

JUGNU

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M35MT - 9/25/2007 2:29:06 PMView My AgentSpace

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That's weak you deleted my comment...you got served Wi11

Agent009 - 9/25/2007 4:00:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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You both got comments deleted. Now behave.

alfistiDK - 9/25/2007 10:07:48 PM

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its well known the 8c Comp will have 450 Bhp...they allready told that in 2004

S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 10:56:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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"So this means even the recentely shown (but after such a long time)Audi RS6 also played games.Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione Coupe/Spyder is also playing games."

What are you talking about? The RS6 was released at the same time as the figures. Nobody even knew when the car was coming- but when it appeared, it FULLY appeared. Lexus has just been letting us see pictures of the IS-F but nothing else. And what are you talking about with the 8C? IT WAS A CONCEPT. NOW, it's going into production soon, and they will release the figures!

EL34 - 9/25/2007 1:58:51 PM

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The Lexus IS-F is the fastest car in a Lexus dealer.

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Agent009 - 9/25/2007 2:15:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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But that doesn't say much

r_driver04 - 9/25/2007 5:48:16 PM

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Now is that with the airbags on or off?

kpaxx - 9/26/2007 9:12:14 AM

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If this is the fastest then they have along way to go before intelligent people will respect lexus as a maker of performance sedans.

DaHarder - 9/25/2007 2:14:43 PM

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This car will most certainly find its niche, as there are so many buyers coming of age now, raised on GranTurismo, that can't get enough of these over-kitted little rice-rockets, .

I not my kind of car, due to its rather immature/embarrassing styling, but the performance numbers should be competitive...

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Agent009 - 9/25/2007 4:01:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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No doubt they will sell as many as they can make. I don't think there is a single person here that will truthfully say it won't sell.

IS3andME - 9/25/2007 2:20:21 PM

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So this will have over 409 HP, and over 368 Pound feet of torque. The torque is the key figure. The M3 has 295 pound feet, which is 5 LESS than the 335i. The IS-F seems to have out-torqued everybody except the C63 AMG. Now if it weighs less than M3 and the RS4 and C63, it will be a true contender...

Sweat, German car fans, Sweat in your seat.

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AdmiralT20 - 9/25/2007 3:30:40 PM

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Considering that it is a 5.0 litre V8, isn't that obvious?

S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 10:58:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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Is straight-line speed all that matters? If so, the Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG is the best performance sedan in the world, ever.

But both of us know it's not true. Even if the IS-F has a 0.2 second advantage for 0-60, what really matters in a performance sedan is how the car handles. We KNOW Lexus will make the car fast- anyone can. The true test lies elsewhere. BMW (of course), Audi and Mercedes-Benz have already passed with flying colors.

germeezy2 - 9/25/2007 2:24:06 PM

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Well the M3's power plant has already been put in the shade by the Amazing C63's engine. And the Audi RS4 engine revs as high and has more torque. Lexus would be applauded just to match the performance of the M3.
I can't wait for a group test, I also can't wait for the CTS-V to show the Lexus the way!

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AdmiralT20 - 9/25/2007 3:32:57 PM

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Torque comes from displacement.
The true test of mastery comes HP- that is where engineering takes place.

Agent009 - 9/25/2007 4:03:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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They are doing one of two things.

Scenario A: The car will be more than a match for the competition.

Scenario B: The car is not going th fair well and they are banking on a slick campaign for damage control.

Any conspiracy theorists out there?

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/25/2007 3:57:01 PM

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Proves the most exciting car coming out of Japan is the Nissan GT-R. IS-F on paper doesn't even look competitive. To be frank not much else dose!

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Agent009 - 9/25/2007 4:06:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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For Lexus sake, I hope the IS-F debuts first and then they will get the press needed to be a financial success.

When the GT-R hits road, the talk will be about it first and foremost as the performance leader representing Japan.

Htay7500 - 9/25/2007 4:06:38 PM

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GTR ftw.

Need4Speed - 9/25/2007 7:31:52 PM

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In all seriousness, I believe the GT-R will steal alot of the thunder from the Lexus IS-F. Not much in the way of performance estimates for the IS-F is reason for the attention being paid to the GT-R, which has been grabing headlines as one of the (claimed!) fastest machines ever to go around the Nuburgring. Someone over at Lexus was somewhat too secretive with the IS-F. Maybe they should have taken a page out of the GT-R playbook and chased down a few Porsches to fuel the rumor mill.

M35MT - 9/25/2007 5:01:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Infiniti should have been the first from Japan to offer a competitor at this level. The G35 is the only car that comes close to the 3 series in terms of handling, (the power is certainly there). Problem? Infiniti has little brand cache. It would be a tough sale at this price point, because, let's face it, most buyers want the badge, not the performance (not everyone is like us out there...)

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theoptimisticpessimist - 9/25/2007 5:24:21 PM

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You are absolutely right, Infiniti needs to do what Lexus has done and define their brand styling. When I first saw the new G I thought "great looking car". when is saw the new Altima I thought. "great, Nissan just compromise the new G buy family resemblance". Acura has this same problem.

SoSnootySo - 9/25/2007 6:17:38 PM

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The Japanese lux brands need to hire European actors and voice artists to narrate their car commercials. After a few years, no one will question their luxury brand image LOL. Psychologically, everyone will assume they rival European cache. I think it all has to do with the Culture of Europe as being old classical, wise, etc..

SoSnootySo - 9/25/2007 6:18:47 PM

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I meant to say it's that stereotype of Europe.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 11:02:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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M35, I completely agree. I've been saying this for a few years. An Infiniti performance line would just make so much sense. While Lexus is trying to be all things to all people, Infiniti can focus on being the Japanese BMW, making incredible performance vehicles that would put any other Japanese luxury sedan to shame (notice how I don't include EVO and STi).

"Problem? Infiniti has little brand cache."

True, but by creating a performance arm, their prestige would only improve. You have to spend money to make money.

Anthony - 9/26/2007 3:34:33 AM

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What Infiniti lacks (proper marketing, dedicated team of designers, engineers etc.) Lexus makes up for in spades. And I don't know where one gets the idea of Lexus trying to be a "Jack-of-all-trades" seeing as Lexus doesn't even have a compact economy car like the other mainstream "prestigious" brands. A premium luxury brand going upmarket and into the performance step is a natural and completely understandable move, for a brand of Lexus' new stature.

M35MT - 9/26/2007 9:16:38 AMView My AgentSpace

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Anthony -

The main point is, that Infiniti's perform better than Lexus'. A Lexus may be more refined, but as S4 put it, Infiniti is the 'Japanese BMW', and there's nothing wrong with that. One thing is good, the G and the M have their own identity - they are not rips of bimmers by any means, and they are usually respected by Bimmer fans.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/26/2007 11:54:00 AMView My AgentSpace

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"What Infiniti lacks (proper marketing, dedicated team of designers, engineers etc.) Lexus makes up for in spades."

I actually think Infiniti models are both better-looking and better-engineered than Lexus cars. They may not park themselves, but they're just so much more fun. The only Lexus cars that I think look better are IS vs. G and LX470 vs. QX56. LX570 may be different... and the G37 is much better-looking than the IS- even if they don't compete.

"And I don't know where one gets the idea of Lexus trying to be a "Jack-of-all-trades" seeing as Lexus doesn't even have a compact economy car like the other mainstream "prestigious" brands."

Why don't you go read the article about their new 1 Series clone?

And if you think that small cars are "downmarket," you've never driven one. The 1 Series, A3, Mini, GTI etc. are all very impressive.

The way Lexus is aiming is hard to deny. I think they should focus on what they do best- luxury cars. But they just can't seem to stay doing that. They have to be BMW, Mercedes and Audi at the same time.

r_driver04 - 9/25/2007 5:46:46 PM

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This car's highly over rated.........it's a Lexus blokes. No Lexus will ever be regarded as a coveted driver's car.

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supermoto - 9/25/2007 6:45:37 PM

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I seriously question how many ISFs will sell. And I'm not sure who the target market is. I can't see that many lexus owners wanting the ISF (to sporty), and I can't see many german car owners wanting the ISF (not german). So who'd going to buy the thing?

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Fan1234 - 9/25/2007 6:54:30 PM

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David is right in all his comments, you guys are just jealous of him and lexus. Lexus = #1.

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Porschinator - 9/25/2007 7:15:46 PM

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How will a 8 Sp out accelerate a 7 speed? Just because Lexus has more over drive gears does not mean it will be faster...lol. It may have smoother shifting due to more gears...thats IT! Other car makers were using 6 speed manual/auto before I350 so don't make BS claims here people.Hell I know people that have 4 on the floor tht can kill Lexus 8 sp. All in the gearing and not number of gears.

2006 SLK55s and Vettes have the same acceleration times from 0-60 of 4.5. True that Black Series version may be quicker by .1MPH but not faster than 2008 Vette with 430HP.

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Porschinator - 9/25/2007 7:25:00 PM

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Well fan1234 you must be another acct by David. Calling German cars POS and claiming BS whenever there is bad press against Lexus basically tells me that he is here for laughs :) I especially like how David claimed that the IS-F beats RS4 and M3 before even coming out! I can't wait for him to claim BS when IS-F 'may' be slower when the comparo comes out...lol.

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Fan1234 - 9/25/2007 7:56:44 PM

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Look buddy, I am not david, i've been posting long before david showed up. I just think you guys are ganging up on him and i'm supporting him. Lexus is #1. Maybe his arguements are far-fetched but lexus is #1, you can't deny the facts mr. porschinator

huu76 - 9/25/2007 9:44:23 PM

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W1LL,
The STi has 293hp and it can out run and handle an M3, all the while using 4 less cylinders.

Subaru must pity BMW.

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Star - 9/25/2007 9:57:39 PM

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The STI cannot keep up with a 335i in a straight line and will certainly be smoked by the new M3. Your comparison doesn't make sense anyway since you compare luxury performance(BMW) with tin can performance(Subaru).

S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 11:05:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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If you don't think BMW can make a better STi, you don't know anything. But it would be simply strange for them to get into that class. What are you expecting, a 335xi CSL sedan for $35K?

85bmw745i - 9/27/2007 2:21:35 AMView My AgentSpace

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No it would not beat the M3 or the others, because the AWD drivetrain has too much frictional loss, why do you think the top speed is lower than what the HP and scceleration numbers from 0-60 would suggest. the STI was not designed for top end, however it is one hell of a handler and would smoke them all on a gravel or snow packed road.

huu76 - 9/25/2007 9:50:24 PM

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The 2003 NSX didn't have to turbo charge anything and with a mere 290hp and 6 cylinders, it can pace the 335i just fine and dandy.

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Star - 9/25/2007 10:00:43 PM

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The NSX was an expensive POS car that slowly died trying to imitate the real performance German cars. The Japanese engineers tried hard but obviously not hard enough. The German supremacy when it comes to cars remain obvious.

alfistiDK - 9/25/2007 10:11:03 PM

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The NSX is certainly not a pos car...the 280 HP limit killed it along with the high price tag. World class handing still unbeaten by any other Jap car according to many car tests..

S4cabriofoxone - 9/25/2007 11:06:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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huu, what are you saying? I would be surprised (and incredibly impressed by the 335i) if the NSX couldn't keep up with the BMW coupe. It's significantly lighter, was way more expensive and was designed as a sports car rather than a practical, sporty coupe.

Anthony - 9/26/2007 3:36:49 AM

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Which is why the next-generations of both the NSX AND GT-R as well as the new LF-A has so many German patrons worried...

S4cabriofoxone - 9/26/2007 11:56:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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Worried about what? Them "killing" the 335i coupe? LOL.

In all seriousness, the GT-R and NSX are excellent sports cars and I'm excited to see them come back.

What was it about my comment that made you react the way you did? Is it because I said the NSX was a better sports car than the 335i? Because I'm definitely not "worried" about the new coupes from Japan. It's actually quite the opposite. Why can't anyone on here admit to liking the LF-A, GT-R, NSX, R8, 911, DB9, etc. all at once?

answer - 9/26/2007 1:58:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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I don't know what's more humourous.

Somebody making a comment calling the NSX a pos, or that others actually boosted-up such a idiotic thing.

Like S4 said, why can't people like and support multiple brands, or at the very least not poop on everything else that doesn't have their favorite badge attached to it.

Diversity people!

Imagine your garage had a LS600h, a Range Rover Sport, and an Audi R8 inside it. Would you be thrilled or pissed off? Hmmm.

85bmw745i - 9/27/2007 2:24:04 AMView My AgentSpace

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The NSX wasn't a POS, it sent alot of others to the drawing board and was one of the best, if not the best handling car of its time, and the numbers are impressive given the engines power rating.

srturner - 9/26/2007 2:20:22 PM

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i have sat in this car and i can say that it is increadible (wow)

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huu76 - 9/26/2007 11:43:39 PM

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What you fail to realize is that the NSX remained essentially unchanged since 1990 with only a minor displacement increase. Way to go BMW, keeping up with the 90s are we?

How about the 1993 Supra TT, makes the run in 5sec flat and it wasn't designed to be a real race car like the NSX and M3. Took BMW 14 years to make a turbo that could catch it.

Hey, the Germans could make a M335xiCLS for $35K if they wanted to, but they know their customers are too stupid to know any better.

S4,
You are correct, no BMW except the M5 with its 10 cylinders can keep up with an STi on dry pavement. Throw in some weather and BMW might as well go back to making airplanes.

Anyone who thinks BMW interiors remotely resemble anything luxurious better take those rose coloured ladies glasses off.

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/27/2007 12:15:36 AMView My AgentSpace

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"What you fail to realize is that the NSX remained essentially unchanged since 1990 with only a minor displacement increase. Way to go BMW, keeping up with the 90s are we?"

Again, I mention the fact that the NSX was a supercar. It was designed to out-Ferrari, Ferrari. I don't care how old it is- you should be celebrating the fact that a relatively middling car like the 335i of today can keep up with such a great performance car of yesterday.

Lexus, Audi, Merc, etc. are all having a little trouble "keeping up with the 90s" if you want to put it that way- considering the 335i is the best car for $45K.

"How about the 1993 Supra TT, makes the run in 5sec flat and it wasn't designed to be a real race car like the NSX and M3. Took BMW 14 years to make a turbo that could catch it."

The Supra was designed to be more hardcore than the M3. You should know that. The M3 is an amped-up 3 Series. The Supra had its own platform and was therefore able to be developed with performance only in mind. It's a little mind-boggling to me that you're comparing them.

The new M3 can keep up with an STi. 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. It may cost a lot more- but it's worth it. It looks better, handles better, is WAY nicer on the inside and has blue chip credibility.

I think all of the comparisons you made are stupid and I probably should not have replied to them. Whatever.

xj13 - 9/27/2007 12:11:42 AM

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This car is a Joke.

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xj13 - 9/27/2007 12:12:43 AM

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Very disappointing.

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