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Honda's CEO Says NSX Will Spank BOTH The LF-A and The GT-R Around Nürburgring

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Honda's CEO Says NSX Will Spank BOTH The LF-A and The GT-R Around Nürburgring

The latest prototype of the 2011 Acura NSX has hit the Nürburgring, and according to our sources in Japan, it has a very specific goal. We're told that Takeo Fukui, CEO of Honda, has tasked his R&D team with building an NSX that's faster around the Nürburgring than both the Nissan GT-R and the upcoming Lexus LF-A.

It's a tall order, and one that Honda hopes it can achieve through the use of a 5.5-liter V10 expected to make 550 horses, with a torque peak expected to top 420 pound-feet. The engine is essentially a slightly larger version of the V8 that Honda will use for the next-generation, rear-wheel-drive RL sedan, and it will use cylinder deactivation under light loads for maximum efficiency. Additional gains will come from the use of an eight-speed, paddle-shifted automatic.
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JWalkerLegrande - 6/18/2008 9:39:09 AM

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Sounds like fun things are coming after the recession is over...

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hao420 - 6/18/2008 5:45:16 PM

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Gotta itch for less 2 more years,cant wait to get my hand on V8 legend........<

Porschinator - 6/19/2008 12:18:47 PM

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US is not technically in a recession; we still have growth. Peoples point of view points to recession since everything is soooo damn expensive.

This is a tall order for the NSX. Lets wait and see. Hopefully they use an actual production car for the Ring.

mlevere1992 - 6/18/2008 9:40:27 AM

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Is it me or does the profile of this car remind you of the Pontiac Fiero?

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Notjustlex - 6/20/2008 5:08:41 PM

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Looks like the LF-A profile to me, IS-F/Ferrari stacks.

Bmw8ter - 6/18/2008 9:53:46 AM

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There's no doubt in my mind that the new NSX will be a circuit carver. The only thing that's aggrivating me is the fact that it looks almost exactly like the LF-A.

Hhmm, which one would I want more; the Lexus LF-A or the Honda "LF-A"?

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Agent009 - 6/18/2008 10:12:39 AMView My AgentSpace

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The shape is closer to the GT-R actually.

Bmw8ter - 6/18/2008 1:39:10 PM

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How the heck do you get a GTR out of that shape? They look nothing alike. The NSX is a 2 seater too, unlike the 2+2 GTR.

thisismyname - 6/18/2008 5:40:28 PM

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From the pictures the NSX looks like a 2 seater coupe.. from everything we know the NSX is going to be a 2 seater...

HOWEVER.. if you read the article, is states that the NSX is going to be a "2+2 sports car"? Did anyone else catch this? I'm sure it must be a typo..

QUOTE FROM THE LINK

"Getting the power to the ground will be a modified version of Honda's Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive (SH-AWD) system. Packaging could be tight, however, as this NSX will place its V10 up front. A combination of steel and aluminum will be used for the chassis that will form the basis of this 2+2 sports car."
That must be a typo..?

Bmw8ter - 6/18/2008 9:36:39 PM

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Since this was the 3rd Acura NSX post, I left reading the article alone. One of the concepts looked to be a 2+2; the one that looked like a silver shoe. It reminded me of a pair of basketball shoes that some nba player came out with a few years ago....ugly shoe. Like ufos on your feet.

Acura should scrap everything, and build a 4wd race car based on the HSC Concept.

Brembo - 6/18/2008 10:05:46 AM

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Damn. And I thought I can afford it.

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Audiphile - 6/18/2008 10:13:35 AM

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Sounds impressive. It'll be interesting to see the finished product.

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222max - 6/18/2008 2:11:05 PM

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What else does your magic mirror say about the LF-A Karnak the Great.

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85bmw745i - 6/19/2008 9:51:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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HAHAHA LMAO In the same class as the Bugatti!! Ha Ha, First they are not even the same type of car. The Bugatti is far more luxury GT coupe on steroids like, and the LFA is more of an exotic, and slotted below the Veyron. I'm Sure the LFA will have a nice interior, but it will not even be close to the Veyron, and certainly not as easy to drive.

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Agent63 - 6/20/2008 11:24:18 AMView My AgentSpace

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MIchaelTaylor:

Just say it you envy Germany's best that's why you keep trashing them on every thread possible. You show no respect towards many automakers so that's why your words are mumbo jumbo. You aren't a car enthusiast. You're just a bandwagoner. No wonder you have no supporters on here.

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answer - 6/18/2008 11:12:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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+2 boost?

Who the hell agreed with you?

Crazy must be contagious.

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lexusrox123 - 6/18/2008 8:41:55 PM

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-20 now. the sanity makes a comeback....

btw, are those supposed to be stacked exhaust pipes on the back corner? the is-f's look better. lol

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85bmw745i - 6/19/2008 9:53:08 PMView My AgentSpace

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I wonder what the site record for negative boost is.

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rocker - 6/18/2008 10:50:37 AM

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Did GM ever report a time for the Corvette ZR1 at The Ring?

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S30GTR - 6/18/2008 11:03:20 AM

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no. but they for sure will give you a quarter mile time. that's all that thing is good for.

EvoAudi - 6/18/2008 7:16:47 PMView My AgentSpace

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unofficial like 7:30-7:40

LexSucks - 6/19/2008 7:13:30 PM

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The only thing that a vette is good for is the 1/4 mile? Now that's an ignorant statement.

DROOPYSAKK - 6/18/2008 11:00:42 AM

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FOR THE RECORD MICHAELTAYLOR JUST MENTIONED THE BUGATTI VEYRON IN THE SAME CLASS AS THE LF-A.

OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOUR A COMPLETE JAPANESE FAN BOY, CARE TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT COMPARISON.

but this 'affordable' Japanese super car rivalry will be interesting.

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Star - 6/18/2008 11:46:03 AM

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"great performance and handling (typical Lexus traits, especially performance)"

This one is a little too obvious Mikey. NOBODY is that crazy. Thanks for playing.

spydogoc - 6/18/2008 12:14:42 PM

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I am 99.99999% sure that the Veyron is made in France

Audiphile - 6/19/2008 10:46:30 AM

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Spydog - you are correct! It is made at the original Bugatti estate near Molsheim, in the Alsace region of France.

Don't let the German name fool you. The Alsace and Lorraine regions have been tossed back and forth between the French and the Germans for centuries.

Molsheim was part of the German Empire when Ettore Bugatti established his car company there. Who knows, if the Germans win the next war with the French, it might be German again! LOL

tom43 - 6/18/2008 11:17:45 AM

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None of these so-called "official" lap times of GT-R, LF-A, ZR-1, CTS-V etc. on the Nürburgring have ever been approved by neutral authorities. So what are we here talking about? How can Honda compare a car of the future with other non-existing or non-tested cars?

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Brembo - 6/18/2008 11:52:39 AM

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GT-r timeswere record by nuburging themselves starting from the gate out.

_43LE - 6/18/2008 12:15:53 PM

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article542316.ece

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lexusrox123 - 6/18/2008 8:48:03 PM

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evilm->

do you mean "sake", little boy? its pronounced "sah-kay" , not "socky"

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spydogoc - 6/18/2008 12:12:34 PM

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To say it will beat the GTR is a pretty outlandish statement but let's hope he's right...

If it has the same power but lower weight than the giant pig GTR, I can see it happening!

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DROOPYSAKK - 6/18/2008 12:18:50 PM

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taylor:

LFA is still a concept, wait till they put wheels on the bandwagon before you jump on it.

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Porschinator - 6/19/2008 12:25:56 PM

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Too late...lol...

PerformanceGuy - 6/18/2008 1:03:28 PM

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Still think the GT-R will kill it and even if it doesn't, the V-Spec will take it down. No need for Nissan to worry!

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EL34 - 6/18/2008 1:03:40 PM

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Star - 6/18/2008 1:07:04 PM

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_43LE - 6/18/2008 1:43:28 PM

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Well, like the 911, the GT-R has been around for decades so I don't think that's going to happen.

Htay7500 - 6/18/2008 2:59:05 PM

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" can't wait till these 3 cars are discontinued :-)"

you're funny :D

Star - 6/18/2008 4:00:45 PM

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Lighten up people is just a joke(at least mine). Nobody hates cars like the GT-R or NSX. Unfortunately many people compare them with cars that belong to another segment(like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) and that creates a little animosity. Nevertheless they are great cars.

_43LE - 6/18/2008 4:56:38 PM

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Why should we lighten up? No one here was mad or angry at what was said. In fact, someone was mentioned it was funny.

If you don't think that they should be compared to to the "traditional" players in this market then why do all mags think that way? And please don't rely on your "brainwashing" argument, it's so lame.

Star - 6/18/2008 5:43:04 PM

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43LE,

Fair enough:

1) because there is nothing else to compare it with(except for the Corvette)
2) because any article that claims that poor people can buy "the same thing" as the rich for less money is going to be a triumphal success.
When you tell somebody who drives a Nissan that the brand that made his car now built a "baby Veyron" that is as fast or faster than cars costing 4-5 times more he is going to be filled with pride and joy and imagine that the GT-R matches those cars at every level not only in performance. It's human nature and I do understand it. Clarkson used this technique more than anybody else and gained huge popularity with the masses. With that said the GT-R is not a supercar. It doesn't sound like a supercar, it doesn't look like a supercar, is not built like a supercar. It should be appreciate it for what it is...a really fast car and not put on a pedestal with cars that offer much more than just performance.

lenkun - 6/18/2008 2:11:43 PM

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The NSX will come close to the GT-R, but when HOnda release the NSX-R or Type-R version of it, then it'll definitely take down GT-R V Spec-II.

However, rumor has it that there is already a Nissmo GT-R V Spec-II in development which makes as much or more power than even the C6 Corvette ZR1.

Lexus will probably counter that with a L-tune version of the TRD LF-A-F.

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F1_Driver - 6/18/2008 3:03:48 PM

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Try F division like the IS-F.

ChicaneShooter - 6/19/2008 4:25:10 AM

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nothing like competition to force ALL players to up their game, or fall by wayside.

and few competitions get as HOT as when japanese companies try to one-up each other. look at the WHITE-HOT rivalries in the japanese motorcycle wars.

this will usher in a NEW AGE of affordable exoticar performance, whether or not nissan and honda follow lexus to the LUXURY performance genre.

henbmw - 6/18/2008 2:49:25 PM

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Bold statement, especially in reference to the omnipotent GT-R. However, if the last NSX is any testament, Fukui could very well be right.

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Hantra - 6/18/2008 3:44:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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This remains to be seen when the camo comes off, but I think we can safely say that this will not have the aesthetics of the first NS-X.

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mpls - 6/18/2008 3:47:39 PM

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Is "star" thr long lost chum of "EL34" or are they essentially the ssme person, a spotty teenage kid playing with toy cars ?

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/18/2008 3:51:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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What is the point of this article? Who really cares? Will we all be taking our NSXs to the Nürburgring to test them out? Good for Honda if this is true, but it will have no effect on everyday life.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/18/2008 3:54:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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BTW, if you really have to brag about things like this to validate your purchase, you shouldn't be buying an NSX (Honda). Buy a used Ferrari instead. It will do all the bragging for you.

Hantra - 6/18/2008 4:22:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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>>"It will do all the bragging for you."

I wish I could boost that 100x.

_43LE - 6/18/2008 4:59:49 PM

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Just like all the articles, then, about ring times.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/18/2008 5:54:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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43LE, perhaps you misinterpreted my comment. It's not a shot at this car because it's a Honda; it's pretty obvious that I root for Honda (but not Acura). It's a shot at these articles in general. They're stupid. People argue about ring times so much for no reason at all. Who the hell cares?

spydogoc - 6/18/2008 6:15:07 PM

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Good point because 9 out of 10 people that buy these cars are NOT going to be able to repeat that time anyway... Good chatting fodder though

BostonBiosafety - 6/18/2008 7:35:52 PM

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009 - Your headline is not accurate. Did Honda's CEO really say that?

Maybe you need to be spanked by 001 for compromising the integrity of this site.

Your "Want Cheap Gas" article was the icing on the cake, you should go write headlines for John Tesh.

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DasAuto - 6/18/2008 8:04:38 PM

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Wow, Ring times have become the new 0-100 times.....geez, yeah okay GTR can blitz the ring, yeah its a nice car but when someone here mentions GTR all they talk about is Ring time. Personally if i had the money i wouldn't get the GTR, yeah its got great performance but performance isn't everything, besides alot of people won't be able to use all that power there. This also aplies to the NSX and LFA

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xj13 - 6/18/2008 8:41:41 PM

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Smacking the lf-a will be easy, if lexs get the balls the produce the damn thing and for the gt-r well it will hard to beat it on price, its just such good value.

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ThierryHenry14 - 6/18/2008 9:24:33 PM

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I doubt he said "spank" but I guess if you want to get 150 postings, you need stupid headlines like that...

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NoFHoes - 6/18/2008 10:21:15 PM

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Exactly. Takeo Fukui would never say "spank" in public. That is reserved for those funky Japanese nights out with his boy's.

And I second the motion this site is the men's version of "As the World Turns"; a soap-autopera.

MercedesBenz00Z - 6/18/2008 11:07:35 PM

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I didn't know that Honda CEO had such a great sense of humor!

Thanks for the good laugh, Honda CEO!

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BJS470 - 6/19/2008 12:49:31 AM

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And then the GT-R Spec V comes out and the tables turn once again

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993Turbo - 6/19/2008 10:30:36 AM

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That's a wild boast!

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mwrmmg - 6/19/2008 10:43:20 AMView My AgentSpace

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Funny how Porsche is not in the target.

UK Evo and Car mags recently featured articles/group test on current and previous Porsche classic models. I wonder if these are Porsche's spin doctors doing their PR after their aftermath with GTR.
Porsche order book was also reported slowing down few weeks ago in this blog.

These are certainly interesting times for supercars, GTR already shocked the germans, while rumours on the LFA and NSX replacement has raised eyebrows even further.

Haven't heard anything brewing from porsche lately other than routine facelift or model replacement. Porsche need to return some answers to these japs.
Even the R8 fame was shortlived and overshadowed by the GTR.

These new cars will certainly be making waves or headlines in racing. Porsche would not want to be their shadows, so give us something porsche!!

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jsell - 6/19/2008 2:10:43 PM

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Some folks over at globalmotors.net have an unofficial hand timed lap of 7:37 for this car in heavy traffic. With the GTR running 7:29, this car should be able to get pretty close to that time. Now with regards to "spanking" the GTR, no where near that yet. Plus, the GTR spec V hasn't been timed officially yet. I think most here know that I sell Acura (quite well) and I love the products, but Mr. Fukai might be overstating a bit. Unless they really do plan on beating the times of these cars, but by that time other cars will have beaten them also. Just bring us the Damn car already.

V-10 NSX

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ceric - 6/19/2008 2:29:14 PM

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I think you need to consider is that Japanese CEOs usually don't bluff. He said it to declare his intention. His engineers have to deliver with whatever it takes. "To save face".

Agent63 - 6/20/2008 1:44:10 AMView My AgentSpace

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I guess with the GT-R and LF-A both looking the way they do Honda probably felt they might as well join them. It's too bad they can't make a V10 screaming monster that's still got its engine placed in the middle. That would add some exotic flavor to the automotive industry.

It is what it is. Bold statement by Honda's CEO. I hope the styling is as bold as what he said.

I'm glad Honda's working on another super car. Healthy competition within Japan and another option for the Playstation fans.

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Eyecarehawaii - 6/20/2008 3:36:56 AM

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Competition is a good thing, at least for us consumers. The proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes, so there's no need to speculate. Let's see what it can do once it's released. Nissan set the bar pretty high with their GT-R.

Also, if we're comparing cars try to keep the comparisons to cars in the same category? Despite all its HP the Veyron wouldn't do nearly as well around a curvy racetrack because of all its weight. The Bugatti is more of a luxury sports tourer/autobahn cruiser than a true sports car.

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BlackCarbon777 - 6/20/2008 2:13:14 PM

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The rear looks like the Lexus IS-F, with the stacked exhausts.

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EvoAudi - 6/20/2008 9:41:29 PMView My AgentSpace

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No, it doesn't look like a IS-F, it looks like a car with FUNCTIONAL stacked exhaust pipes. UNLIKE the IS-F.

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