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Is Bush's Energy Plan Trouble For the Big 3?
President Bush called Tuesday night for a dramatic increase in auto fuel efficiency standards, a step long-dreaded by an already battered auto industry.

Increased auto mileage was part of Bush's call for an overall 20 percent reduction in America's use of gasoline before 2017 -- primarily through the expanded use of ethanol and other alternative fuels.

Bush's energy plan, offering little if any assistance to automakers, that sparked the greatest reaction Tuesday night from Michigan lawmakers -- including his fellow Republicans.

U.S. Rep. Joe Knollenberg, R-Bloomfield Hills, called the plan "a debacle. We don't need the hammer of job-killing (fuel efficiency) increases."

"This proposal would lead to more job cuts and plant closings in Michigan. It would discriminate against the Big Three and accelerate the push of Toyota and Honda to grab more market share," he said.

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Is Bush's Energy Plan Trouble For the Big 3?



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99gs40099gs400 - 1/24/2007 12:35:26 PM
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Cut 20% in the next 10 yrs, where all the SUV's and full size trucks from big 3 gonna go ? very interesting to see.

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EL34EL34 - 1/24/2007 12:42:01 PM
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tomloytomloy - 1/24/2007 12:51:53 PM
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The big 3 aren't gonna be selling SUV's in 10 years because nobody wants them NOW. And the big 3 have no intention of raising the gas mileage for their vehicles evidenced by their being against raising the federal auto efficiency standard.

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webguywebguy - 1/24/2007 1:13:49 PM
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No. It’s a blessing. We should have been able to increase efficiency by 20% 10 years ago, let alone 10 years from now. The big 3’s tendency to remain stagnant and push ancient technologies is the reason business is hurting so bad. They shouldn’t need legislation to figure that out.

The Volt can not be a façade this time, it needs to be built. Got that Rick Wagoner? Shipping a "plug-in" shell with a V8 to the press doesn’t quite cut it. Stop being the world’s Greatest Marketing and start building the world’s Greatest Motors. Forget the White House, you have import competition to worry about.

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EL34EL34 - 1/24/2007 1:19:26 PM
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This is great news.

I can't wait till I can buy gas that isn't from the Middle East or Venezuela.

Boycott Citgo.

Begin drilling ANWR!

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1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 1/24/2007 3:35:10 PM
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Yeah, let's boycott oil from a nation in our hemisphere because we the leader of that nation dared to say something bad about our president. Instead let's just keep getting oil from the middle east. They love us there.

And let's drill for oil in our pristine wilderness so that we can have enough to fuel our SUVs for another year. That will give everyone a chance to do all their off-roading and hauling for one more year (I mean take their kids to soccer practice) before trading up to a hybrid.


EL34EL34 - 1/24/2007 11:33:27 PM
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I'm glad you agree with me.

Now let's start drillin' ANWR!


Agent009Agent009 - 1/24/2007 1:56:28 PMView My AgentSpace
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A diesel Ford 350.

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EL34EL34 - 1/24/2007 2:21:57 PM
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I like that picture of Dubya's dog.

haha.

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OBSERVER1984OBSERVER1984 - 1/24/2007 6:08:03 PM
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You know what?

Many people in my country Bulgaria drive their GAS-cars with propane-butane or with methane. I'm talking about over than 60% of people who doesn't drive a diesel, but GAS.

It's VERY cheap. just 0.60 USD per 1 liter = 2.27 USD per gallon. (Is that cheap for USA? Because for Europe is!!!)

And it's very very very clean. Almost any pollution.

Well, it's a little dangerous, but I've been driving a car with propane-butane for 10 years and I'm still alive. The car is black, which means more sun heating and higher temperature of the metal, but everything is still OK! :)

Thank's Jeasus! :)

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OBSERVER1984OBSERVER1984 - 1/24/2007 6:11:09 PM
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I mean forget about Bulgaria, think about swiss Rinspeed. They make safety cars with propane-butane and methane for years!!!

For me, that's a real Eco-Future!


cdokecdoke - 1/24/2007 9:49:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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Methane cars. That is an interesting way in which to take the far worse greenhouse gas Methane [CH4, or C1] and convert it one-to-one into carbon dioxide. Methane is 23 times worse than CO2. However, the only way in which this is truly beneficial and sustainable is if the methane source is one which would normally would be realeased to the atmosphere. The problem, I would imagine, with collecting methane is the possibility of combustion in air when collecting it from biogenic sources.

Natural Gas is not a renewable form of energy, it is a hydrocarbon. I'm a Petroleum Engineer by degree and we drill for it just as we drill for oil. The only difference is that the gases are sufficiently lighter [i.e. C1-C5 or so] and oil is composed of around C6+. Truly, natural gas is the vapor phase of crude oil. All renewable problems associated with oil are also with natural gas. Methane does have other sources, but butane and propane are a bit more unique. Forgive me if everyone already knew this, that, or the other, but the petroleum industry is not really understood by many people.


chewychewy - 1/24/2007 7:10:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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Yep, gas guzzling SUVs and pickups make up the majority of the vehicles sold in this country. We can't even pretend to cut down consumption/emissions/greenhouse gasses as long as more than 1/2 of all vehicles average about 15 miles per gallon (11 on E85). There already is a gas guzzler tax on cars with fuel economy below 22.5 mpg average, the hypocricy must end and pickups and SUV should not be allowed to dodge the gas guzzler tax. This is the FIRST and most important step to accomplish this goal.

Of course, diesels that get 30% better fuel economy and 20% less C02 emissions is another very simple solution.

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no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 1/24/2007 7:37:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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I know this is not a venue for politics, but his speech last night was great. I never voted for him and I am not a fan of any of his polocies but damn, he really pulled that speech of.

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LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 1/24/2007 11:44:32 PM
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actually, lexus/toyota are pretty much set with these plans with their current SUVs. Im happy for toyota corp

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courtstonecourtstone - 1/25/2007 11:16:43 AM
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Is that picture real? Who would Bush be giving the finger to??

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answeranswer - 1/25/2007 10:59:27 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hillary.
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