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Is It On Your Short List? Hyundai Counts On Fallout From Lexus, BMW, And Others For Genesis Sales

The weak US economy is helping to boost early sales of the new Hyundai Genesis premium sedan, company executives say.

The top-of-the-line V-8 version of the Genesis has a base price of about $38,000. Hyundai initially identified the target buyer of the Genesis as an owner of a mid-sized or large mass-market car who wants to move upscale.

But John Krafcik, Hyundai Motor America's vice president of product development and strategic planning, said at a press event here last week that the Genesis also is appealing to budget-minded owners of costlier luxury cars.

"That group, in these economic times, seems to be bigger than we expected," Krafcik told Automotive News. "We are seeing a lot of people who say, 'I didn't really get good value from the premium brand and the $3,000, $6,000, $10,000 or $15,000 extra I had to pay.' "

The Genesis sedan went on sale in late June. Production of a coupe is scheduled to begin in December. Next year, Krafcik said, Hyundai expects to sell as many as 50,000 of the cars to U.S. buyers.

Hyundai identifies the primary competitors of the Genesis as the Chrysler 300C, Lexus ES 350, Pontiac G8 and Cadillac CTS. "Image" competitors include the Lexus GS series, Infiniti M series, BMW 5 series and Mercedes E class.

To address consumer skepticism about Hyundai's move into the premium market, the $80 million advertising campaign for the Genesis will feature engineering test results that favorably compare the car with its competition. The tests cover such measures as acceleration, braking, cornering, interior sound and exterior finish.

"We are trying to overcome what we know are prejudices toward the brand," Joel Ewanick, Hyundai Motor America's marketing vice president, said in an interview. "So we are providing the burden of proof and laying out those key elements we know are important to consumers."





Is It On Your Short List? Hyundai Counts On Fallout From Lexus, BMW, And Others For Genesis Sales



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204E60204E60 - 8/26/2008 1:55:47 PM
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I'd buy a Chevy Malibu LTZ long before I would ever consider a Hyundai. Even a skateboard, before I'd consider any Korean car.

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NewBeginningNewBeginning - 8/26/2008 2:16:23 PM
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Chevy Malibu is designed and engineered by Koreans (Deawoo Korea).




NewBeginningNewBeginning - 8/26/2008 3:06:58 PM
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Malibu, Mustang, camaro, and corvette are all designed by asians, Sorry red necks....

http://www.dynamic-korea.com/etc/people.php?uid=200700034779

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121311527578861039.html.html?mod=autos_feature_articles



NewBeginningNewBeginning - 8/26/2008 3:09:32 PM
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Even Chevy VOLT was designed by a Korean.


NewBeginningNewBeginning - 8/26/2008 3:22:16 PM
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Last January, GM unveiled a concept design for a luxury mid-size SUV-car crossover called the Cadillac Provoq. The lead designer was 38-year old Hoon Kim, also a Seoul native.

The Chevy Volt, the sleek and heavily hyped plug-in electric car GM is working on, was masterminded by Young Sun Kim and In Ho Song, both Korean nationals who came to GM via Hyundai Motor Co.

Over at Ford Motor Co., Amy Kim and Joann Jung, Korean-born designers who attended design school in California, help style the Lincoln MKT, a concept luxury crossover.

Mr. Lee, the Camaro designer, joined GM in December 1999 after a stint at Germany's Porsche AG and Pininfarina, an independent Italian design studio. He helped style the current Chevrolet Corvette sports car, as well as several of the most-talked about concepts GM has presented in the last few years, including the Buick Velite convertible concept and the Cadillac Sixteen.

In many ways, the character of people in Korea also gives its car designers the "ideal temperament" for the profession, says Shiro Nakamura, Nissan's global design chief. "They're emotional and hot-tempered, and their dispositions make their design that much stronger and expressive; they're like the Italians of Asia," the Nissan design chief says, referring to another country which has shown excellence in car design.



AmericaAmerica - 8/26/2008 8:19:01 PM
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NO to the Koreans. It's not the Korean designs that are so bad, but that I don't want to contribute to them eating dogs. They DO eat dogs there and I find it morally wrong to do that to animals that were bred to be companions to people. They show intense bonds to people and express emotions and killing them and eating them is just plain wrong. So, NO to the Koreans even if their cars are equivalent to Lexus and Infiniti.


abcdabcd - 8/27/2008 5:19:21 AM
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When this korean designers are so good why did they such a shameless copy like hyundai genesis .


eric113eric113 - 8/27/2008 4:25:05 PM
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@abcd

Hyundai's CEO, Chung, is conservative in car designs. I don't know why but he says he makes the final design decisions. guess he wants to play safe and make a decent copy til they gain more presence?

@america
what does dog eating have to do with this anyway? and, how do you define it as morally wrong, or as a companion? just because it's against the western culture?



AmericaAmerica - 8/27/2008 9:33:04 PM
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This is a question of choosing a Korean Hyundai over a Japanese Toyota. I would NEVER choose a Korean Hyundai and I said why I wouldn't. Do some research on what they do to the most loyal and loving animal, man's best friend. It is an atrocity how they are treated and it impacts my purchase decisions. If you do your homework you won't question its immorality.


eric113eric113 - 8/28/2008 3:45:24 AM
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@ america

"This is a question of choosing a Korean Hyundai over a Japanese Toyota. I would NEVER choose a Korean Hyundai and I said why I wouldn't. Do some research on what they do to the most loyal and loving animal, man's best friend. It is an atrocity how they are treated and it impacts my purchase decisions. If you do your homework you won't question its immorality."



Good for you. don't choose a Hyundai. no one cares about your car purchase.
Loyal,loving,men's best friend: why not for other animals?
Your use of the term immorality is subjective to your culture.
If the Hindus were world power today, many would be worshiping cows.



Bmw8terBmw8ter - 8/26/2008 1:59:57 PM
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I personally don't think it'll do to much to affect sales of the Lexus or the German makes, but Lincoln; definitely. Look at the MKS. FWD, fully loaded with a 3.7L v6 being the largest engine you can get, $43k MSRP. Forget that. Genesis Sedan all the way. A fully loaded Genesis v6 costs less fully loaded. Weighs less. Is quicker and has more power. And looks better to boot.

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WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 8/26/2008 7:15:34 PM
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ditto <--almost forgot that word existed x]

Anyways, I have realized that BMW is probably gonna be hurt the least. Most guys who want a Bimmer are gonna get one no matter what. Girls who want a Bimmer for attention are gonna beg their parents for one (note that BMW's sporty handling allows amateurs to feel safe and in control).

People who want a Lexus probably didn't want to buy a Toyota...and would be very skeptic [and biased] towards the Genesis.

In the end, a confident conclusion is that we can only wait and see...



bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/26/2008 9:55:50 PM
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the MKS does honestly have a better interior....and for the money its really hard to beat if your looking at say a Lexus ES, or Toyota Avalon


NSXRNSXR - 8/28/2008 6:28:45 PM
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Agreed. The Lincoln LS suffered the same fate as my NSX; they didn't continue to evolve from the great platform that they were built on. My buddy has a 2001 that that still looks great, and handled like a 5 series, but is sadly lacking in horsepower...


BimmerGuyFL78BimmerGuyFL78 - 8/26/2008 2:13:45 PM
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The Genesis is more of a Lexus LS460 competitor then anything as it is Rear Wheel drive based with an excellent looking Exterior/Interior made of high quality materials, large rear seating area with multi-air vents, a large trunk, and excellent riding comfort that is more Lexus isolation like then would be BMW, Infiniti or Mercedes-Benz type of Handling/Ride.

Over all the Genesis is an excellent car especially in it’s price range.


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eric113eric113 - 8/27/2008 5:03:45 PM
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@bimmerguy

Genesis was to compete with RL, CTS, GS with the price tag similar to 300, and lincoln.

Not an LS.
Hyundai is preparing their LS competitor for 2009 release. code name VI



johnnybjohnnyb - 8/26/2008 2:18:43 PM
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If it takes sales from anybody it will be Acura or Lincoln. Acura, because they don't have a RWD platform, or a V8. Lincoln, because they are associated with spongy ride quality.

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WayneDashWayneDash - 8/26/2008 2:32:12 PM
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Anybody looking at a flagship Lexus/BMW/Mercedes isnt going to be thinking the name "Hyundai"

But the Genesis will definitely take away from the $30k crowd from each brand. (especially American)


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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 8/26/2008 2:39:01 PM
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Acura will suffer the most. It's always been the "value brand"(especially the TL) if there a better value people with flock there. I really don't think its going hurt the tier ones that much.

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EL34EL34 - 8/26/2008 2:55:08 PM
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Only a goon would drive that Hyundai.

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Agent009Agent009 - 8/26/2008 3:00:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hmm I recall similar comments about a certain brand in the early 90's. If memory serves me correctly, there are a lot of them.


mpwrmpwr - 8/26/2008 3:28:26 PM
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yes, those are they same ones in these posts that constantly talk about others being badge whores...

At least Hyundai is not going to start some new division that all the whores can all latch onto. You will either like it for what it is, or pass on it cause they didnt spend enough on marketing for you to embrace it like its something else. Let the games begin.



GTR35GTR35 - 8/26/2008 3:27:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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I would rather buy a MB before I buy a Hyundai. They are both crappy cars but at least the Benz...What am I saying? I take it back I have crossed feeling between Hyundai or Benz.

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Agent63Agent63 - 8/26/2008 6:08:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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Nissan and Hyundai are on par :). Both are econobox brands but take a look inside the Genesis, Hyundai is moving up!. The interior quality could be better than a Nissan. Uh oh!.


abcdabcd - 8/27/2008 5:36:33 AM
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"Nissan and Hyundai are on par :). Both are econobox brands but take a look inside the Genesis, Hyundai is moving up!. The interior quality could be better than a Nissan. Uh oh!."

Yes , in the same way as Hyundai and Chery are on par :). Althrough chery is moving up! Look at quality of exterior , they`re very similar ( hyundai genesis , chery QQ )



0to600to60 - 8/26/2008 3:27:16 PM
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It will likely steal maxima, avalon and ES300 sales over anything else.

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2001W2102001W210 - 8/26/2008 4:29:09 PM
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It has targeted mid $30k to $40k car buyers, and I think most companies selling their cars at that price point will have serious competition. I think this is good news for all of us, other will have to step up their products at this price range other wise they will fall.

I'll be looking to purchase a brand new car next year, and I am going to give them a serious shot on my next purchase. Making people like me even consider going in to Hyundai dealer, they have acomplished their objectives.


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E36erE36er - 8/26/2008 4:53:32 PM
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This is a wanabe derivative car target towards buyers that want to drive a Merc S class but they can't afford one. No one's going to buy this car in lieu of a Lexus or a BMW.

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Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/26/2008 5:16:39 PM
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Hyundai is clearly gunning for Lexus with its new Genesis models.

And I can assure you that Toyota IS worried.


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adamsaf723adamsaf723 - 8/26/2008 5:22:38 PM
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I don't think the Genesis Sedan will affect the sales of Lexus and the German Brands that much.

I do believe the Genesis coupe might cut into the sales of the G37 and 335i Coupe though.


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mpwrmpwr - 8/27/2008 8:34:50 AM
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Thats not what the most of us here think, its lexus

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DWolffDWolff - 8/26/2008 7:40:03 PM
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I'll never see Hyndai as a respectable luxury brand, to me they'll always be a brand that has the durability and reliabilty of an imitation hot wheels car

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DrFill2009DrFill2009 - 8/26/2008 9:37:13 PM
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Better count on a Ouija Board.
They sold, after a heavy ad blitz, 600 last month.
That's a quite a waiting list.
DrFill


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huu76huu76 - 8/27/2008 10:49:14 PM
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If you're having problems affording a Lexus, MB etc, then you're probably better off keeping your car and NOT having payments rather than spending $38,000 on a Hyundai.

The Genesis is more likely to get looks from Camry/Avalon/Accord/Passat shoppers.


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Dr550Dr550 - 8/28/2008 11:38:44 AM
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huu76, that is the smartest post you have ever made.

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