Is THIS BMW Ad OFFENSIVE To Women? Or Is It ANOTHER Example Of Americans Whining Over Nothing?

lol that's a funny add...I'm surprised BMW took that risk cuz we do have a lot of complaining lil bitches who have no sense of humor.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 3:07:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 18   

I couldn't care less about whether or not this is offensive to women but, they could have chosen a different ad I'm sure. This ad is going to confuse a WHOLE lot of people. It's like using a buttplug to promote the WWE.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 3:09:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

If the ad were run in America, then yes Americans would have a right to be offended. But since it it's an ad in Greece aimed at selling cars to Greeks (who embrace sexuality to a far greater extent than Americans, as does most of Europe), for Americans to get offended at an ad elsewhere aimed at a different target audience just goes to show how naive and un-worldly many of us Americans are. Those people should see how many American products are marketed in Europe with much more aggressive sexual undertones--they're really be shocked.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 3:09:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 15   

Smart article.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 3:14:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Only the most uptight, non-sex-getting, moralistic goon could find that ad offensive. Then again, many Americans fall into exactly that category.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 3:19:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

After the war, an economic miracle occurred and Germany had the largest economy in Europe again. If God blessed them so much, then He couldn't have been too unhappy with how they waged war. Stain gone.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 4:29:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Tell that to the Korean "comfort women" of WW2 the Japanese abused and still will not admit to or issue a apology. I know many Koreans in L.A. who will never buy a Japanese auto.

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Posted on 5/4/2009 7:47:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Dude, what's wrong with you??? Korean comfor women a myth??? No slavery by the Japanese in Korea? Are you nuts??? There have been so many accusations and witnesses that it is impossible for anyone to ignore the FACT that there really were Korean comfort women that were raped by whole battalions of Japanese soldiers during the war. Don't come to us with that honorable samurai code when the samurais were long gone. Nothing is "honorable" in war, especially a war where Japan invades Korea and China. The Japanese didn't have to bring slaves to Japan, they made them slave in their own country! My own grandfather was forced to learn how to speak Japanese, guess why??? 'Cause he was made into a slave in his own country where the Japanese forced the population to speak their language, trust me, my grandfather and his whole generation had no interest in learning Japanese! For the record, the past is in the past and we use it to learn from our experiences so we don't make the same mistakes in the future. As of now, I respect the Japanese and have no grudges, only against ignorants who claim that the Japanese at the time were "honorable" and crap like that. It's like trying to say that the holocaust never happened.

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Posted on 5/5/2009 9:03:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

You should know that david969 trolls.

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Posted on 5/5/2009 1:01:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

TurboSpyder, He no longer blessed them with many great scientists after the purge in 1933.

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Posted on 5/5/2009 1:28:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

abcd, Germany has six Nobel science winners in physics, chemistry, medicine and economics since 1999 alone and all of them are non Jews. Compare that to Poland's all time total of zero Nobel science winners.

Physics
2001 - Wolfgang Ketterle
2005 - Theodor W. Hänsch
2007 - Peter Grünberg

Chemistry
2007 - Gerhard Ertl

Medicine/Physiology
1999 - Günter Blobel
2008 - Harald zur Hausen


Below is a list of all non-Jewish German Nobel Prize science winners.

Wilhelm Roentgen
Karl Ferdinand Braun
Wilhelm Wien
Max von Laue
Max Planck
Johannes Stark
Werner Heisenberg
Walther Bothe
Rudolf Mossbauer
Johannes Hans Daniel Jensen
Klaus von Klitzing
Ernst Ruska
Gerd Binnig
Johannes Georg Bednorz
Horst Ludwig Stormer
Wolfgang Ketterle
Theodor W. Hansch
Peter Grunberg
Hermann Emil Fischer
Adolf von Baeyer
Eduard Buchner
Wilhelm Ostwald
Walther Nernst
Heinrich Otto Wieland
Adolf Otto Reinhold Windaus
Hans Fischer
Carl Bosch
Friedrich Bergius
Richard Kuhn
Adolf Butenandt
Otto Hahn
Otto Diels
Kurt Alder
Hermann Staudinger
Karl Waldemar Ziegler
Manfred Eigen
Ernst Otto Fischer
Georg Wittig
Johann Deisenhofer
Robert Huber
Hartmut Michel
Gerhard Ertl
Emil Adolf von Behring
Robert Koch
Albrecht Kossel
Hans Spemann
Gerhard Domagk
Werner Forssmann
Feodor Felix Konrad Lynen
Georges J. F. Kohler
Erwin Neher
Bert Sakmann
Christiane Nusslein-Volhard
Gunter Blobel

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Posted on 5/6/2009 10:44:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

"Poland's all time total of zero Nobel science winners."
TurboSpyder, double Nobel science wins for French-Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie-Sklodowska
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TurboSpyder, to your long list, why since 1999 and not after the second world war? And why you're not distinguishing between Germans and US-Germans who did their work at US universities, live in US like you've done with other countries Noble winners - you've distinguished between Japanese and US-Japanese Nobel winners, for example Wolfgang Ketterle did his work at MIT USA for which he was awarded Nobel or Gunter Blobel also in US and maybe someone else, I haven't checked everyone.
Additionally Adolf von Baeyer from your list wasn't non-Jewish:
http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp044-1_nobel_chem.htm

Before the second war Germans had very good "environment" to do science:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hryNUqG4o_w
(3:45)

Since you're so interested in mathematics, how well Germans now do in "Nobel Prize in math" - Fields Medal, Abel Prize or Wolf Prize? One prize in Fields Medal, three in Wolf Prize(including one US-German) and that's less than weak in basic sciences Japanese. And I had on mind in my comment above many greatest scientists compared to what was before 1993:
"At a banquet, the minister of education asked Hilbert, "And how is mathematics in Gottingen now that it has been freed of the Jewish influence?" Hilbert replied, "Mathematics in Gottingen? There is really none any more." The Nazi regime ended Gottingen's position as the center of the mathematical world."
http://www.math.umn.edu/~wittman/Biography.html

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Posted on 5/6/2009 2:04:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

abcd, you're not the only Polish guy that I deal with but you have the same kind of delusional, convoluted thinking. I guess if you were realistic, you’d all be very depressed.

The method that I used to count the Nobel science winners from each country was to go to infoplease.com and copy and paste the entire list of physics, chemistry, medicine and economics winners into a Word document and then use the Replace All function to count the number of times that "Germany" came up. I then used Wikipedia to search for the word "Jew" in the German winners’ bios and when I didn't find it I assumed that they weren't Jewish.

As for distinguishing between Japanese and American citizens of Japanese descent, I did the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of. I included Japanese Americans (even when they were listed just as American) as Japanese to increase the Japanese total but I did not count one German American as a German Nobel winner. And anyone who knows anything about mathematics knows that the Germans are right at the top in terms of having contributed the most and best mathematicians to the world.

After the war, Germany worked very hard to avoid reestablishing any kind of “elite” system and that extended to universities. Only recently did they realize that this was hurting them and so now they have reestablished a series of elite universities to compete with the U.S. and Britain. In spite of Germany not having elite universities after the war they still exported twice as much last year as the Japanese did and also more than even the Americans.

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Posted on 5/6/2009 4:10:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

TurboSpyder, it’s not that I’m delusional but that you’re always showing partially true informations, things that you don’t like you’re omitting. I would normally pass and give Germans credit where it’s due(like I've tried to do until now) but I can’t withstand your giving them credit where it’s not completely due and lowering everyone else achievements. You once said me that I’m not interested in truth, but it’s exact opposide, you’re a guy who main purpose is: if you repeat lies(in your case part truths) long enough peoples will sooner or later believe it as a true.

First thing, about von Baeyer, you used wikipedia, I used more reliable source.

Second thing:
You wrote:
„Plus some Japanese U.S.Japanese
Yoichiro Nambu
Osamu Shimomura
Roger Tsien”
http://www.autospies.com/news/Because-Twin-Turbos-Aren-t-Simply-Enough-BMW-X5-May-Use-Tri-Turbo-Diesel-Engine-42888/

But you haven’t distinguished between German and Germans-US.
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(BTW:Roger Tsien is an American born and living in US)
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Osamu Shimomura:
„Nationality: Japan”
http://www.nndb.com/people/626/000173107/
He later moved to US where he did his work for which he received Nobel Prize and he lives in US, so lets say he’s Japanese-US like you say, for your favour.
And it’s similar situation to Wolfgang Ketterle that you listed as a German:
„Nationality: Germany”
http://www.nndb.com/people/036/000027952/
He moved to US where he did his work at MIT in 1995 for which he received Nobel Prize and he lives in US, so you should also list him a German-US

Yoichiro Nambu:
„Nationality: United States”
http://www.nndb.com/people/827/000177296/
He was born and educated in Japan and later becomed US citizen.

And it’s similar situation to Horst L. Störmer that you listed as a German:
„Nationality: United States”
http://www.nndb.com/people/075/000099775/
He was born and educated in Germany and later becomed a US citizen.
And Günter Blobel that you also listed as a German:
„Nationality: United States”
http://www.nndb.com/people/327/000134922/

And these are peoples that I’ve checked, maybe you also listed someone else incorrectly.
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TurboSpyder, I showed you how many Germans have won most prestige prizes(Wolf Prize, Fields Medal, Abel Prize) in mathematics, if you count for example last 200 years than Germans contributed more, if you count last 60 years than Japanese becouse they won more these prestige prizes(just like Germans won more Nobel Prizes even if you subtract Baeyer and count separately German-US like with Japanese-US). I showed you also a cause why until 1933 German science and math have weakened and after the war in some cases they have been going to US where they received Nobel prizes (like some Japanese), or received 50 years later Nobel prizes for their discoveries before the war, after the war, to this day they have weakened in science significantly. If I would like to go even further, than, do you remember when I gave a link about industrial revo

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Posted on 5/7/2009 5:57:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

(continuation...)
industrial revolution and that Germany was than backward, you pointed out that they becomed leader in chemical industry some years later, well, I didn't disagree with you:
„The rise of the German industrial giant BASF (Badische Anilin- und Soda Fabrik) was largely based on the leadership and chemical dye discoveries of Heinrich Caro,3 and on the process for fixation of atmospheric nitrogen discovered by Fritz Haber.”
http://www.jinfo.org/Chemistry.html
http://www.basf.com/group/corporate/en/about-basf/history/1865-1901/index

And don't accuse me that I'm lowering German achievements, becouse I'm not, I'm only not overhypeing them like you're constantly doing. I'm only showing you a big picture and I'm correcting your part truths.
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And if you want to use export as a important index in this case, than Hongkong exported more than Germany per capita and US which has by far most Nobel Prizes exported less than Germany(according to your previous link from wikipedia that you gave me), how do you explain this? Take into account also this information:
"Top 15 Countries for German Exports in 2005
Japan ... $16.5 billion (1.7%)
Top 15 Countries German Imports From in 2005
Japan ... $23.2 billion (3%)"

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/germany_s_trade_buddies

Now I'm waiting for your half truth explanation.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/7/2009 5:59:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Again, I used the information from infoplease.com to determine the Nobel science winners’ nationality. And for the Japanese American winners that I was aware of, I INCLUDED THEM AS JAPANESE. I’m interested in the scientists’ ethnicity and not their legal citizenship.

How is Hong Kong separate from China? I understand that most of China’s exports went through Hong Kong even when Hong Kong was still under British rule because mainland China’s infrastructure was so poor so I wouldn’t be surprised if many of China’s exports still go through Hong Kong. The bottom line is that Germany is still the world’s largest exporting nation.


Here’s the information I found for the best mathematicians of the 20th century. I believe they are all white.

Bourbaki Henri L. Lebesgue
Richard Courant Benoit Mandelbrot
Karmarkar Robert L. Moore
Paul Erdös Emmy Noether
Sir Ronald Fisher Karl Pearson
Kurt F. Gödel J. Henri Poincaré
Richard W. Hamming John W. Tukey
David Hilbert Alan M. Turing
Fritz John John von Neumann
John Kemeny Hermann Weyl
Donald Knuth Norbert Wiener
Andrei N. Kolomogorov Andrew J. Wiles

http://web.centre.edu/mat/century.html

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Posted on 5/7/2009 8:55:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

abcd wrote: Take into account also this information:
"Top 15 Countries for German Exports in 2005
Japan ... $16.5 billion (1.7%)
Top 15 Countries German Imports From in 2005
Japan ... $23.2 billion (3%)"

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/germany_s_trade_buddies

Now I'm waiting for your half truth explanation.

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Your thinking really is incredible. From your link above:


Germany's Trade Buddies
Author: Daniel Workman
Published: Dec 14, 2006

Germany is a global trade superstar. Offering high-quality engineering solutions, ***Germany has surpassed the U.S. as the world's top exporting nation for 4 straight years***.

Deutschland is the largest economy in the European Union and the third-largest in the world.

According to the World Trade Organization (WTO), Germany is the world's top exporter. In 2005, Germany's trade surplus of $197 billion led all countries.

Germany is also the world leader in mechanical engineering, holding about 20% of this global market. Core German exports include such engineering products as vehicles, machinery, chemical goods, electronics, shipbuilding and optics. The "land of ideas" is also among the world's largest and most technologically advanced producers of iron, steel, coal, cement, food and beverages and textiles. In recent years, traditional German industries like steel-making and textiles have shrunk considerably.

German brands including DalmerChrysler, BMW, SAP, Siemens, Volkswagen, Adidas-Salomon and Porsche are among the highest-valued in the world. In Business Week's list of top 100 global trademarks in 2005, German companies place 9 times, second only to the U.S.

Also key to Germany's success in international trade is the fact that "Made in Germany" is a global seal of quality. In the minds of trade partners, German products are synonymous with quality, innovation and cutting-edge technology. For example, German-made machine tools are in high demand in fast-growing economies like China.

Below is a list of Germany's top 15 export customers, based on WTO statistics for 2005. Total German exports for 2005 amounted to US$971 billion. These 15 countries account for some three-quarters of total German exports.

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Posted on 5/7/2009 9:01:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Correction: Narendra Karmarkar is Indian. But with a billion people there should be more Indians (as well as other Asians) on the list than whites.

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Posted on 5/8/2009 9:00:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder, if you want you may of course reject prestige prizes in mathematics, that's your choice. This is similar to if someone would reject Nobel Prize winners.

And if you interested in ethnicity than none of Japanese Nobel prize winners that you listed has part American ethnicity.

I also not necessary look at legal nationality but if someone did his career in US and is living in US(or even has US nationality) where he has currently in fact the best "environment" to do science he should be listed as part American, as you listed Japanese-US. For example Chinese ethnicity Nobel winners, as I remember, they won prizes after working in US, there's little probability that they would be able to won the prize working in China.

As for the my link about trade balance, I took what I was interesting me - the numbers, I didn’t even look than what is written there. Germans exported less to Japan than Japanese to Germans. Now after I read it I’m surprized that Germans main export industry were textiles. OK, Hongkong wasn’t good example becouse they're part of China, but add Hongkong export to China and you have world leader in export overall, if you want per capita than Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Switzerland, Ireland exported more, and Finland, Austria about the same, using your link that you gave me earlier, from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports
But I still not exceptionally interested in export becouse I'm not intereted in who is doing more money and the biggest export isn't directly linked with the best engineering, science. US is world leader in science and they’re not exporting much per capita.

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Posted on 5/8/2009 1:07:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I already knew a little about some of the best mathematicians of the 20th century and I never heard of any Japanese being part of that group and the list I gave you seems to confirm it. Did any of those people in the list win any of those prizes you mentioned?

In the previous thread where I compared the list of Japanese and German Nobel science prize winners I didn't include ANY German-American winners in the list of German winners but I included a few Japanese-American winners as Japanese winners to make the list of Japanese Nobel science prize winners LONGER. Do you understand that?

abcd, you genuinely remind me of a Polish guy who ripped me off a few years ago. We went to court and he weaseled and lied under oath but the judge saw right through him and I won the case. The judge didn't even take any time to deliberate.


This statement of yours:

"Now after I read it I’m surprized that Germans main export industry were textiles."

is a perfect example of how weasely you are. Textiles was mentioned at the bottom of the list as one of Germany's exports and then it said "in recent years, traditional German industries like steel-making and textiles have shrunk considerably" but you claim Germany's "main export industry were textiles." It’s like when you claimed that the fact that auto journalists’ first exposure to Honda’s new diesel engine in 2003 was them driving a PTOTOTYPE at Honda’s R&D center in Offenbach Germany didn’t mean that the engineering work done for the motor was carried at there. I now have experience with a handful of Poles and now all of the facts that I read and hear about eastern European societies (watch European Journal on Deutsche Welle for a while) make perfect sense. Instead of dealing in reality you constantly fool yourselves and make your own reality where, I guess, you are not to blame for the miserable nature of (all) of your societies. Is there one slav country that isn't poor and filled with crime, corruption and poverty? There's not one and I don't know of a time when there ever was one. In another thread I showed you reports of where Poland and Russia rank in terms of corruption and now having dealt with a few of your kind I understand much better.

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Posted on 5/8/2009 3:50:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder:
"I didn't include ANY German-American winners in the list of German winners but I included a few Japanese-American winners as Japanese winners to make the list of Japanese Nobel science prize winners LONGER. Do you understand that?"

No. Becouse you're lying. I assume you used these sites for infoplease:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0105785.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0105786.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0105787.html

Number of Japanese-American on these sites: 0(zero);
Number of German-US or German-UK : 2 - Fritz Lipmann (Jewish) and Hans Adolph Krebs (Jewish) (source:http://www.jinfo.org/Nobels_Medicine.html or wikipedia);
Number of "Germany and US" : 1 - Gunter Blobel (This one you included in your list)

So you didn't include two Germans-US(UK), but even so you would not include them becouse they're Jewish. Than from 2008 you included two Japanese(correctly) and two Japanese-US(also correctly, I explained this above). Where are those Japanese-US that you included as Japanese?LIER. TurboSpyder, you included Japanese Americans which you listed as "Plus some Japanese U.S.Japanese"(Roger Tsien incorrectly, as I explained) and you included some German-Americans(as I explained above) that you listed as "Below is a list of all non-Jewish German Nobel Prize science winners." but some in fact are German-US. If you find my sources from comments above as unreliable use encyclopedia britannica and you will find similar reasults. I don't understand why you still discussing about this issue, simply the sites on infoplease.com has mistakes, you should already surmise this, as well as wikipedia to find out who is/was of Jewish descent.

TurboSpyder:
"Textiles was mentioned at the bottom of the list as one of Germany's exports and then it said "in recent years, traditional German industries like steel-making and textiles have shrunk considerably" but you claim Germany's "main export industry were textiles.""

OK, correction, I wanted to say traditional, whatever that mean, I simply mispelled, misunderstood this one, becouse I didn't take these words on this site as a precise expressions, except precise expression numbers of export-import.

"Did any of those people in the list win any of those prizes you mentioned?"

Check yourself. And the prizes I mentioned are the most presige prizes in mathematics: Fields Medal, Wolf prize, and maybe Abel prize.
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"[...]Honda’s new diesel engine[...]"
We already discussed this issue. I'm not changing my statement.

"[...]slav country[...]"
This one we also discussed. There's no point in doing this again, you will reject some fact again and that's all.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/8/2009 7:02:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Ok, let's simply this. Here is my list of non-Jewish, German Nobel Prize science winners:


Wilhelm Roentgen
Karl Ferdinand Braun
Wilhelm Wien
Max von Laue
Max Planck
Johannes Stark
Werner Heisenberg
Walther Bothe
Rudolf Mossbauer
Johannes Hans Daniel Jensen
Klaus von Klitzing
Ernst Ruska
Gerd Binnig
Johannes Georg Bednorz
Horst Ludwig Stormer
Wolfgang Ketterle
Theodor W. Hansch
Peter Grunberg
Hermann Emil Fischer
Adolf von Baeyer
Eduard Buchner
Wilhelm Ostwald
Walther Nernst
Heinrich Otto Wieland
Adolf Otto Reinhold Windaus
Hans Fischer
Carl Bosch
Friedrich Bergius
Richard Kuhn
Adolf Butenandt
Otto Hahn
Otto Diels
Kurt Alder
Hermann Staudinger
Karl Waldemar Ziegler
Manfred Eigen
Ernst Otto Fischer
Georg Wittig
Johann Deisenhofer
Robert Huber
Hartmut Michel
Gerhard Ertl
Emil Adolf von Behring
Robert Koch
Albrecht Kossel
Hans Spemann
Gerhard Domagk
Werner Forssmann
Feodor Felix Konrad Lynen
Georges J. F. Kohler
Erwin Neher
Bert Sakmann


Go ahead and delete the names of those winners that you know to be Jewish or whose parents are not ethnic Germans and then copy and paste the new list here. Then make a list of all ethnic Japanese Nobel Prize science winners (regardless of their legal citizenship) and paste that list here so that we can compare the two.


Why do I have a feeling that you're going to make this task very complicated too?

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Posted on 5/9/2009 1:52:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

abcd, which is the most technologically advanced slav country?

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“Putin also laid out a vision of a Russia switching from an ageing and uncompetitive Soviet-era infrastructure to an economy centred on high-tech areas such as nanotechnology, nuclear power and the space industry. 'In conditions of fierce international competition, the country's economic development must be based, essentially, on its scientific and technological advantages,' he said. 'Unfortunately, one has to face that the majority of the technical equipment used in the national economy is not years behind the top level, but decades.' ”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629956/posts

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Posted on 5/9/2009 1:56:10 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder, do your own list, I not interested only in ethnicity as I already said, I already said you who's Jewish - von Baeyer(wikipedia isn't reliable source to check this, but you use only wikipedia), and who's German-US (in standards that I also described but in ethnicity standards they're Germans), and I haven't checked all peoples from your list. If you think about ethnicity Japanese than your list is almost correct except Roger Tsien(he's non-Japanese) and your expression that two of them are of Japanese-American ethnicity becouse they're ETHNIC Japanese(but I'm not looking only at ethnicity as I already said and for me they're Jap-US):
"Plus some Japanese U.S.Japanese
Yoichiro Nambu
Osamu Shimomura"
http://www.autospies.com/news/Because-Twin-Turbos-Aren-t-Simply-Enough-BMW-X5-May-Use-Tri-Turbo-Diesel-Engine-42888/


And there's no need to compare, I know that you like to mislead everyone but I already said:
"[...]becouse they won more these prestige prizes(just like Germans won more Nobel Prizes even if you subtract Baeyer and count separately German-US[...]".

And no, it's not comlicated, if you would simply use other sources than wikipedia and infoplease and you would use similar standards for Japanese and Germans lists there wouldn't be this discussion.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/9/2009 3:38:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Ok, I deleted Tsien from the ethnic Japanese Nobel science prize winners list and von Baeyer from the ethnic German Nobel science prize winners list. That leaves 14 ethnic Japanese winners and 51 ethnic German winners although if you went through the entire list of U.S. science prize winners, you might find more of each group. If you find more Jews on my list of German winners, let me know and I'll delete them.

14 ethnic Japanese winners:

Hideki Yukawa
Shinichiro Tomonaga
Leo Esaki
Masatoshi Koshiba
Kenichi Fukui
Hideki Shirakawa
Ryoji Noyori
Koichi Tanaka
Susumu Tonegawa
Makoto Kobayashi
Toshihide Maskawa
Yoichiro Nambu
Osamu Shimomura


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51 ethnic German winners:

Wilhelm Roentgen
Karl Ferdinand Braun
Wilhelm Wien
Max von Laue
Max Planck
Johannes Stark
Werner Heisenberg
Walther Bothe
Rudolf Mossbauer
Johannes Hans Daniel Jensen
Klaus von Klitzing
Ernst Ruska
Gerd Binnig
Johannes Georg Bednorz
Horst Ludwig Stormer
Wolfgang Ketterle
Theodor W. Hansch
Peter Grunberg
Hermann Emil Fischer
Eduard Buchner
Wilhelm Ostwald
Walther Nernst
Heinrich Otto Wieland
Adolf Otto Reinhold Windaus
Hans Fischer
Carl Bosch
Friedrich Bergius
Richard Kuhn
Adolf Butenandt
Otto Hahn
Otto Diels
Kurt Alder
Hermann Staudinger
Karl Waldemar Ziegler
Manfred Eigen
Ernst Otto Fischer
Georg Wittig
Johann Deisenhofer
Robert Huber
Hartmut Michel
Gerhard Ertl
Emil Adolf von Behring
Robert Koch
Albrecht Kossel
Hans Spemann
Gerhard Domagk
Werner Forssmann
Feodor Felix Konrad Lynen
Georges J. F. Kohler
Erwin Neher
Bert Sakmann

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Posted on 5/9/2009 10:12:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder, in US everyone is from somewhere, from longer or shorter period, if we will list peoples according only to theirs ethnicity I afraid that number of US ethnicity Nobel Prize winners would be zero, and this is a little nonsense.

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Posted on 5/9/2009 1:10:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

"from longer or shorter period" --> for longer or shorter period

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/9/2009 1:20:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Shouldn't be hard to find the American Nobel Prize science winners whose parents were either Japanese or (non-Jewish) Germans. I'm going to repost the article that you gave a link to above ... just 'cause I like what it says.

[Quote]Author: Daniel Workman
Published: Dec 14, 2006

Germany is a global trade superstar. Offering high-quality engineering solutions, Germany has surpassed the U.S. as the world's top exporting nation for 4 straight years.

Deutschland is the largest economy in the European Union and the third-largest in the world.

According to the World Trade Organization (WTO), Germany is the world's top exporter. In 2005, Germany's trade surplus of $197 billion led all countries.

***Germany is also the world leader in mechanical engineering, holding about 20% of this global market***. Core German exports include such engineering products as vehicles, machinery, chemical goods, electronics, shipbuilding and optics. The "land of ideas" is also among the world's largest and most technologically advanced producers of iron, steel, coal, cement, food and beverages and textiles. In recent years, traditional German industries like steel-making and textiles have shrunk considerably.

German brands including DalmerChrysler, BMW, SAP, Siemens, Volkswagen, Adidas-Salomon and Porsche are among the highest-valued in the world. In Business Week's list of top 100 global trademarks in 2005, German companies place 9 times, second only to the U.S.

***Also key to Germany's success in international trade is the fact that "Made in Germany" is a global seal of quality. In the minds of trade partners, German products are synonymous with quality, innovation and cutting-edge technology***. For example, German-made machine tools are in high demand in fast-growing economies like China.

Below is a list of Germany's top 15 export customers, based on WTO statistics for 2005. Total German exports for 2005 amounted to US$971 billion. These 15 countries account for some three-quarters of total German exports.

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/germany_s_trade_buddies

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See, I was right ... God has blessed Germany.

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/9/2009 6:49:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder:
As I said, if I would be doing list of Nobel winners I wouldn't list them according to their ethnicity becouse probably every American Nobel winner parents or grandparents or grandgrandparents came from somewhere outside America. Nevertheless if you want you can of course segregate them according to ethnicity but than number of American Nobel winners would be probably the zero. Case ended.
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You can easility find similar articles about other countries:
"Japan's robotics industry is expected to show robust growth and remain the world leader thanks to growing exports to emerging economies, an industry group said Thursday.

While Japan has become famous for its cutting-edge humanoid robots, the industry's sales are almost all for industrial robots, particularly those that help manufacture cars, electronics and other products.
[...]
"Unlike foreign firms that buy up technology and leave it to a second party to manufacture, Japanese firms produce products from the bottom-up, leading to high-quality products," said the group's executive director Tokuo Iikura. "
http://www.iirobotics.com/bot-news-mainmenu-674/48-personal-robotics/1344-japans-robot-industry-forecasts-strong-growth.html

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/10/2009 4:49:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

And yet, the Germans still export twice as much as the Japanese do. Btw, under German law a person born in another country to German parents is entitled to German citizenship.

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/10/2009 12:51:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

— TurboSpyder:

| And yet, the Germans still export twice as much
| as the Japanese do.

You simply don't get the whole picture. Germans have no choice. They are sinking in debt. If they don't export that much, their country will go bankrupt.

EXTERNAL DEBT (repayable in goods or foreign currencies)

As percentage of GDP:
Germany.. 160%
USA....... 99%
Japan..... 35%

USD per capita:
Germany:.. $54,604
USA:...... $42,343
Japan:..... $4,528

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt


| See, I was right ... God has blessed Germany.

With debt.

— MrBratwurst (View Profile)

Posted on 5/10/2009 3:53:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Lol. So they *have* to export that much as opposed to the fact that their products make good money for them because they are in demand around the world? Here's another link from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/10/2009 6:24:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I know how Germany can save some money considering that they are the biggest contributor of money to the EU. Stop transferring German taxpayer money to foreigners.


"More than € 347 billion will soon be available to the least developed EU member states for 2007-2013. Poland alone will receive € 67 billion. The EU funds will be used for infrastructure investments, supporting innovative companies and promoting environmental and energy technologies."

http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/313492A4-B997-4E93-A6FF-4329AC818105/0/conferenceinvitation.pdf


Germany made a net contribution to the EU of 10.5 billion EUR in 2007.

http://www.money-go-round.eu/zeme.aspx?id=7

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/10/2009 6:39:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder,
Or to backward east parts of Germany, to what was in the past East Germany, and leave it in the more developed west parts, what was in the past West Germany:
"While Germany continues to be a top performer in world trade, domestically the German economy has become one of the slowest growing economies in the euro zone. One reason is because the integration of the backward eastern German economy continues to be a costly long-term process, with annual transfers from west to east amounting to roughly $70 billion."
http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/germany_s_trade_buddies

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2009 9:56:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It's certainly OK if Germany transfers money internally from one region to another (the eastern part of the country that the slavs ruined with their governance) but why should German taxpayers give 10.5 billion Euros (in 2007) to the loser countries of Europe? What do they get for it? The right to have slavs move into Germany if they wish? That's like paying someone to steal your car - just dumb. And, abcd, please quote the paragraph following the one you just quoted above ... I'll do it for you:


"Yet from the point of view of foreign companies, Germany remains the most attractive European country for research and development. In 2005, a poll of international companies conducted by Ernst & Young revealed that Germany was the clear favorite in terms of research and development facilities. Moreover, about two thirds of all the world’s keynote trade fairs take place in Germany which also makes Deutschland a strong magnet for international business."

Lol!

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2009 12:10:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hey, abcd, the quote below is relevant to our earlier discussion about whether Honda's new diesel (in 2003) that was running around in a prototype car at Honda's R&D facility in Offenbach Germany was developed in Germany.

"Yet from the point of view of foreign companies, Germany remains the most attractive European country for research and development. In 2005, a poll of international companies conducted by Ernst & Young revealed that Germany was the clear favorite in terms of research and development facilities."

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/germany_s_trade_buddies

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 11:46:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder, I can't believe you still can't give up on that diesel. This is actually getting funny. I showed you then one link that practically closes any discussion where the diesel was developed:
"The individuals making up the development team from Honda Research and Development Centre in Japan"
http://www.sovereign-publications.com/images/Auto/Honda%20(Kenichi%20Nagahire).pdf

You also probably think that Mazda SISS system and new 2.2 diesel engine were developed in Mazda R&D near Frankfurt becouse they were first shown there, LOL, note that SISS is in Mazda *prototype*:
http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/article/2947/-/2009-Mazda-3+with+Smart+Idle+Stop+Start/First+drive+-+new+technology.html

http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/article/2950/-/2009-Mazda-6+2.2+TD/First+drive+-+new+engine.html

You actually prompted me to search about German automakers R&D in Japan:
Daimler is doing its centre of hybrid technology R&D in Japan:
http://www.samar.pl/__/__la/en/__ac/sec,4/new/16942/pag1/9/__1.html
And BMW R&D in Japan:
Here's exacly what they do in BMW R&D Japan:
"Close cooperation with companies and universities in the Japanese market means that knowledge concerning new technologies is exchanged early on, and individual components such as navigation systems or automatic highway toll booking systems are specially developed for the BMW Group in Japan, with the focus on electronics and software."
http://www.reliableplant.com/article.asp?pagetitle=BMW+and+the+research+into+hydrogen+technologies&articleid=4346

http://www.bmwgroup.com/bmwgroup_prod/e/nav/index.html?http://www.bmwgroup.com/bmwgroup_prod/e/0_0_www_bmwgroup_com/unternehmen/unternehmensprofil/standorte/standorte.shtml

And BTW TurboSpyder, Russians had imposed Communism on Germans becouse Germany provoked them(attacked) and Russians used in defense their superior engineered tanks. Even so Russians were very kind for German losers in Berlin after the war lol.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 4:15:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

abcd: "You also probably think that Mazda SISS system ... were developed in Mazda R&D near Frankfurt becouse they were first shown there, LOL, note that SISS is in Mazda *prototype*:"

http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/article/2947/-/2009-Mazda-3+with+Smart+Idle+Stop+Start/First+drive+-+new+technology.html


---- That's exactly what I think. What goes on at Mazda's Research and Development center in Frankfurt? Do they research and develop?

Definition: pro·to·type
3. full-size functional model: a first full-size functional model to be manufactured, for example, of a car or a machine




abcd: "You actually prompted me to search about German automakers R&D in Japan: Daimler is doing its centre of hybrid technology R&D in Japan"

http://www.samar.pl/__/__la/en/__ac/sec,4/new/16942/pag1/9/__1.html
And BMW R&D in Japan:

"Here's exacly what they do in BMW R&D Japan:
'Close cooperation with companies and universities in the Japanese market means that knowledge concerning new technologies is exchanged early on, and individual components such as navigation systems or automatic highway toll booking systems are specially developed for the BMW Group in Japan, with the focus on electronics and software.'"


---- It stands to reason that Daimler would have an R&D center for hybrids in Japan since the Japanese are the leaders in automotive hybrid technology, right? So in another thread when I said that Honda's diesel engine was engineered at Honda's R&D center in Germany why did you argue with me about it?



Abcd: “And BTW TurboSpyder, Russians had imposed Communism on Germans becouse Germany provoked them(attacked) and Russians used in defense their superior engineered tanks. Even so Russians were very kind for German losers in Berlin after the war lol.”


---- I saw a documentary about the tank battle at Kursk where a Russian tank commander described how the German tanks (Tigers) could destroy the T34s at a great range but even at much closer range the T34’s shells would "bounce off the Tigers like candles". The Russians didn't even have radio communications in their tanks - the observer would tap on the driver’s shoulder with his feet to tell him which way to turn. At the end of the war the Russian tanks were no match at all for the German tanks.

And how do you think the war would have gone if it was only between Germany and the Soviet Union? If the Germans wouldn't have had to occupy France or the Balkans or Greece or fight against the British in North Africa or fight off the British and American bomber raids and could devote all their resources to fighting against the Soviet Union - how would it have gone? As it was, Stalin was desperately asking the British and U.S. to open up a second front in the West to relieve the pressure on them.

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 5:26:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

"So in another thread when I said that Honda's diesel engine was engineered at Honda's R&D center in Germany why did you argue with me about it?"

Becouse of all of the reasons and links that I showed you than, and you haven't shown me a link where it says that it was developed in Germany, I now showed you what R&D are conducted in Japan by BMW and Daimler.

TurboSpyder, Russian tanks and British aircrafts outclassed German ones, even before help of Americans. At the end of the war Russians T34 were still good and they had JS-2 tanks with 122mm cannons that were able to destroy any German shell.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 6:14:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

You're full of crap. The F86 Sabre Jet and Mig 17 both look the same because after the war both the Americans and Soviets got their hands on German aircraft aerodynamics design data. The F86 program was changed mid-design to incorporate the swept wing design concepts that they had learned from the German data.

What British or American aircraft could touch the ME262? The German pilots that flew the 262 near the end of the war said they could neglect the American fighters escorting the bombers because they were 150 mph slower than the German jets. Google “Operation Lusty” or “Operation Paperclip”.

And what do you think a prototype with a never-before-seen (to automotive journalists) diesel engine was doing at Honda's research and development center in Offenbach? Seriously, what do you think the purpose was of having this brand new diesel engine running around in a prototype car at the center?

(Research and Development Center) + (Prototype car with brand new diesel engine) = (Research and Development being done on Prototype)


Years ago, when Honda unveiled their first hybrid car to the auto journalists, did they do that in Germany too? No, why not?

And let me ask you again, can you name one product from an eastern European company that is competitive in the international market place?

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 9:47:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Mig 15

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 10:16:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Honda R&D Europe (Deutschland) GmbH

Research and study necessary for developing motorcycles and automobiles.
Country : Germany

http://world.honda.com/HondaRandDEurope/

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Toyota F1

Team principal : Tadashi Yamashina

Address : Toyota F1, Toyota Alle 7,
50858 Koln-Marsdorf, Germany

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/teams/toyota.shtml

The team principal of Toyota F1 is a Japanese guy so why is Toyota F1 based in Germany?

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2009 10:25:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TurboSpyder, there was Honda Accord prototype car becouse they were probably developing, tuning it for European market, like they are doing in Mazda European R&D, and this not means that they are developing a car or a engine:
"...on the test drive and tuning programme carried out by Mazda's European R&D Center (MRE) based in Oberusel, near Frankfurt, Germany.".
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/52585/performance_cars/mazda_designed_cx_7_to_suit_european_taste.html

I don't know whether they first tested some Honda hybrid in Germany, but I doubt since hybrids aren't selling well in Europe, latest Honda Insight journalists first tested in America, in Arizona:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/11/abg-first-drive-2009-honda-insight-63-4-mpg/

"And let me ask you again, can you name one product from an eastern European company that is competitive in the international market place?"

Oh no, again the same thing. Add to Russian "transportation to orbit" services also Solaris Bus&Coach. And I don't know whether Ariane 5 rockets are better or worse, but you have been asking about being competitive in international market, and they are competitive. I don't know it but I doubt there's more than one or two companies from territories of previous East Germany competitive in international market.
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Soviets and Americans in fact took from Germans swept wing invention, but Germans never implemented swept wings design for aerodynamic purpose, that's why ME262 had only 18.5° sweep, F86 Sabre and Mig-15 had a lot bigger sweep done for aerodynamics purposes:
"Swept wings had been proposed as early as 1935 by Adolph Busemann, and Willy Messerschmitt had researched the topic from 1940. In April 1941, he actually proposed to fit a 35° swept wing (Pfeilflügel II) to the Me 262. Though this suggestion was not implemented, he continued with the projected HG II and HG III high-speed derivatives of the Me 262 in 1944, which were designed with a 35° and 45° wing sweep respectively. The production Me 262 had a leading edge sweep of 18.5° primarily to properly position the center of lift relative to the center of mass and not for the aerodynamic benefit of increasing the critical Mach number of the wing (the sweep was too slight to achieve any significant advantage)."
http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/me262.htm

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/13/2009 5:32:34 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

And I showed you what exacly BMW and Daimler are researching&developing in Japan R&D centres, I'm not claiming that they're e.g.developing engines for BMW there.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/13/2009 5:44:56 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Oh sorry, I remind myself that swept wings were implemented in Me163.

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 5/13/2009 6:02:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Well, I guess short of writing Honda R&D Europe a letter and asking them if they designed Honda's diesel engine we'll never know for certain but I know what I believe is likely the case.


"But the Honda i-CTDi (intelligent common-rail turbodiesel injection) does it differently, with a compression down to 16.7:1. On the face of it that seems a strange move, because lower compression usually means reduced efficiency. But it also means a gentler combustion bang, which makes for a quieter idle with less of the diesel 'jingle-jangle', as Honda's engineers at the Offenbach technical centre in Germany describe it."

http://www.channel4.com/4car/di/road+test/driving+impression/920/3

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Honda Accord 2.2 i-CDTi

Thursday 24 July 2003, 11:06

"AS the world's biggest engine manufacturer, it is perhaps remarkable that Honda has never dabbled in building diesels before."

...

"However, far from merely dabbling, Honda is now ready to take diesel very seriously. A new 2.2-litre engine has been designed from scratch using a new manufacturing method and will become available in the Accord in January 2004 before going into the CR-V sports utility vehicle later in the year.

"As it is late to the game, Honda's new engine could not afford to be any worse than the best of the current crop of modern diesels."

...

Behind the wheel

"ALTHOUGH my visit to Honda's research and development centre is OFFENBACK IN GERMANY was primarily to obtain the first details of the new engine, there was a car available to drive on a short route."

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/RoadTests/story/Accord-22-i-CTDi/30788

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/13/2009 11:17:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

But there's no doubt about where Honda got the fuel injection system for their diesel engines, right?

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7285/600drivespan.jpg

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/13/2009 11:26:15 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Welcome to summer 2008, when this ad first made the rounds of the tubes.

— Leezell (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 3:55:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Wah...cry babies. It's nice to see that people are more concerned with that then all the other atrocities that are happening around the world.

Ah well, keep up the good work BMW!!!

HAHAHA

— asternmadkatz (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 4:03:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

"This ad isn't just visually disturbing.
Click here to find out more!
The text is also poorly thought-out. It's for USED cars...and it says, "You know you're not the first." Clearly a sexual connotation meant to depict the young girl as...already having had sex, at least once. This, of course, makes her a sex object, for...the men looking at the ad? It's surely not for women."

This is the most retarded, ironic, hypocritical thing I've read all year. This means, any women appearing in any Ads on TV are also portrayed as sex object since they are shown wearing revealing clothes all the time. It also means that models in car shows are also sex objects as they are used to attract guys to the cars and so on...

Gotta love the hypocrisy. Either ban everything, or keep your mouth shut!

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 4:05:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Sadly, we here in America are simply not willing to be part of a more sexually progressive world. The reality is that we are forced into advertising that is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator and will bend to the will of any lobby group that admonishes sultry or lurid advertising creative. I think it takes cohones for a brand to take this globally and face the criticisms that would surely follow -- however, given the audience is trying to capture I really don't think it would offend anyone (very minimal) in the target market. This makes me think of another abomination -- the title of Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone was changed for America to the Sorcerer's Stone...dumbed down for the masses. Sad.

Push the creative envelope, take some risks, I love it.

— THESCOOTER (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 4:13:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

I'm surprised nobody's said it yet...but damn she's hot! 'Nuff said.

— budfrogS4 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 4:36:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Maybe they should have used that Susan Boyle singer on that Britains got talent instead.

— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 4:43:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Cars and sex naturally go together. Why are Americans so flipped out about this? Oh, right, because they're morbidly fat and stupid, can't spell to get a job, attend hypocritical "christian" churches and are xenophobic, among other things.

— 204E60 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 5:15:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

First of all, she's Hot with a capital H! ;)
The ad, IMO, is a good one. Humourous.
Give the ad guys a break. They wanna have fun too, sometimes...
And i agree with M_Motorsport: the Check Mate was very cool move..

— nite41 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 5:49:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

BMW contributing to the oversexed culture of America is nothing to be proud of. What does this have to do with a car? Nothing. Pointless advertising.

— Anthony (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 6:22:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

the only thing i found offensive is that she wasn't saving herself for ME!!!

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 6:52:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hey there is NOTHING wrong with sex! Those who have hang ups about it need to talk to a Psychologist. You have a PROBLEM. Sex is what happens in nature like about a 100 Billion times a day, so get your head out of your A$$ and Wake Up!!!! By the way, that girl is sweet looking...nothing wrong with that.

— TexLandRover (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 7:00:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

this ad is true and you people know it. the stupid woman's activists need to shut up and take a good look at reality if they get so easily offended by this ad. god i hate socialists. i'll do anything to piss them off

— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 7:22:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Why scrutinize sex? I could understand scrutinizing alcohol or drugs... but sex? C'mon everybody loves sex. (If you don't love sex then you should probably go see a doctor)

— Jordanski (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 8:05:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I'm OK with not being the first...

seriously, get over yourself if this offends you. I'm glad I'm cultured enough to understand there are different opinions out there. Is this any different than Axe body spray commercials (or beer commercials, etc.)? While the ad is praying on basic emotion...it probably reaches it's target demographic well and in a place where the "right" people see it. I may have missed in the other posts, but was this an American ad?

— DogLb (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 9:03:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Offensive? not really, ad just personifies what bimmer drivers are attracted to in a (mate/car):

BMW -- the slutty but somewhat attractive, may even be the perfect date and may even steal your wallet and leave you stranded, but she knows you'll put up with it, or you can take a flying leap -- kind of girl :)

— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 10:02:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

If someone can barely afford to rent a BMW, why would they hope beyond sloppy seconds? BMW obviously knows their core market well, poor wannabes.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 10:13:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Coming from the guy who's favorite brand hails the lots of Enterprise.

— Jordanski (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 11:28:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It is a very stupid ad but do not offend me, however, "macho man" that "know" that they are not the first, will take the girl for a one night ride and after that they will abondone her. The value of a woman is not related with the times that she have sex before you, but sadly, most of men won´t value a woman that already have sex with another guy, and that is the history for the BMW in this ad. I think BMW have better Ads and shold use other kind of orientation cause BMW is one of the favorite cars of gay community. I like BMW and girlfriend too and we don´t care about ads but for sure they have better ideas than this one.

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 10:20:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

She looks a little young.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 10:55:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Put a man on any new car in an advertisement and if its not an action scene guys will not buy it. Well straight guys. Women need to shut up anyways its not like they can afford the car.

— veyron1001 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/4/2009 11:53:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Im not bothered by it at all regarding BMW's ad. Nowadays sex sells. America itself needs to get a life. I bet the ACLU will be on there ass and propose a fat chick eating a bucket of KFC's grilled chicken on its drivers seat for the replacement.

— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/5/2009 12:52:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

i was with this girl walking in the mall when we ran into her ex. after some talking, like a wannabe alpha male, he says to me he slept with her trying to provike a reaction.

instead of being angry or trying to rip his head off, (thanks heavens for meditation) i said something like, "then why on earth did you ever let her go?"

i grabbed her hand and pulled her away, later that nite she showed me her appreciation. i knew i wasn't her first, so what. as long as we respect each other to protect ourselves...

— DiamondJim (View Profile)

Posted on 5/5/2009 1:06:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

I don't think it's offensive, I just think it's stupid.

It has nothing to do with cars, and I think it isn't a very clear message.

This ad does nothing to make me want to buy a Certified BMW.

— adamsaf723 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/5/2009 1:21:15 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

To become offended by this ad is really, well, childish. Let's be real, the BMW marketing schtick is trying to make it seem as though the car/girl are beautiful and there is no way that one could have not owned/been with them.

This has nothing to do with making a woman an object or "used."

Downright immature.

— Agent00R (View Profile)

Posted on 5/5/2009 3:34:12 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Who gives a crap. Its sad but true, learn to live with facts not sugar coat them or be PC and hide the truth.

Women will still always love the attention that comes with driving a BMW no matter what.

— Stuttgart001 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/6/2009 2:46:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1