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Is the new BMW 335 series TOO good?

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Is the new BMW 335 series TOO good?

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rg12345 - 9/30/2007 4:52:20 PM

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I really think BMW did a huge mistake with the 335i. And that is because it's that good. It's actually so good there is no difference between the 335i and the new M3, with a few thousands you can have the same car, much much cheaper than a stock M3, but with the same power. Also, there are videos of 335i with procede that are as fast as the M5, so another victim.

Mistake? I would feel bad to see an 335i faster than my M5, lucky me I don't have an M5. And with the 135 it's gonna be even worse than this, people will buy BMW 20-30k and will be faster than BMW guys spending 100k on their car. It's not fair, I would definitely never buy an M5 or M3 after this 335i.

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EnnNorak - 9/30/2007 9:30:01 PM

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It's never too good! I'm always looking for the best bang for the buck. The only improvemnets I want on this BMW is a supercharger instead of a turbo and an AWD system with a couple of Torsen differentials.

dlin - 9/30/2007 10:18:12 PM

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22 MPG on the 335 for driving in town? Where? On the moon?

I can bet you the best you can get, say, driving from downtown LA to Santa Monica on local, 15 MPG.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/30/2007 11:33:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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Enn, why a supercharger over a turbo? Turbos are more efficient, they sound better and they usually don't cost as much.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/1/2007 10:57:00 AM

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"It's never too good! I'm always looking for the best bang for the buck. The only improvemnets I want on this BMW is a supercharger instead of a turbo and an AWD system with a couple of Torsen differentials."

A great way to ruin the car.

BM3W - 10/3/2007 7:22:56 PM

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"I would definitely never buy an M5 or M3 after this 335i."

Then you've never driven a BMW //M. The feel and handling of an //M is completely different than the 335i. Once you drive both back to back you'll feel the differences.

freeagent - 9/30/2007 5:12:40 PM

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the 335 is a fantastic performance value; more power is essentially gratuitous in the US on the street. while not a perfect q-ship, it is nevertheless very stealthy for such a capable package. bravo

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henbmw - 9/30/2007 5:41:29 PM

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Can't agree more. The car is just that good. You can call it bias or admiration for a job well done but the 335i is absolutely one of the best cars of our era.

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Hyundai - 9/30/2007 5:44:04 PM

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BMW does NOT have the best factory sound system of any brand. That is an asinine statement.

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Agent001 - 9/30/2007 6:07:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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I said the bluetooth phone sound quality is the best, not the audio sound quality.

And the BMW premium system sounds world's better than the Porsche 911's BLOSE, I'm mean BOSE upgraded system Porsche offers.

001

Hyundai - 9/30/2007 5:45:45 PM

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But, moving on, yes the 335i is great, and maybe you are right; it is too good. Being more of a Lexus fan, even I have a hard time seeing any reason to get an IS 350.

Um, is BMW the value leader? lol..

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montyz81 - 10/1/2007 7:27:24 AM

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I would have to say no. The BMW is fantastic for the money. The G35 is better. As good as the BMW is, you still get more value in the G35 for the price you pay. That said, as a hard core Datsun/Nissan/Infiniti fan, the 3 series is truly amazing!

t_bone - 9/30/2007 5:48:28 PM

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001...when you leave a Porsche it feels good at first. Give yourself about 6-12 months and you'll start craving it again.

Been there, done that. There will also be a Porsche in my garage now, I won't delude myself again. Many of my friends have had the same experience.

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Threepoint1415926 - 10/1/2007 5:48:35 PM

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+1... I will never not have a Porsche in my garage again.

GermanNut - 9/30/2007 6:21:29 PM

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Agent 001, forge the 335i sedan, take the 335i coupe instead:

- Sure, it may be slightly tighter in the back, but you can still fit real people in the backseats.
- The rear end of the coupe looks MUCH better than the screwy sedan tail lights
- The coupe has better performance
- The coupe costs ONLY 2.5K more MSRP than the sedan

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Agent001 - 9/30/2007 6:31:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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Read the article...I said I like the coupe if it was my money...

'I would pick a 335 (Coupe if it was my $) over ANYTHING that’s on the market right now.'

001

jmrA480 - 9/30/2007 6:47:46 PM

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For the price, there isnt a better car out there. I would still take the S5 over it cause i like the looks better and performance wise its the same, but if the S5 was out of my money range, then 335CI it would be.

I have a 07 A4 s-line, and even thou I like the looks better of the A4 S-line, if the 335Xi was out when I ordered my A4, I probably would have gotten the 335XI.

( Need AWD, I go sking every weekend in the winter, and to get to the cabin we stay at, I need AWD to get up the trail, its in the backass part of the woods.)

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Chip - 9/30/2007 7:29:18 PM

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Not to sound childish, but Ive flogged my coupe against 911's, CLK550's, S4's, etc. I usually end up in front. I simply cannot believe how good the 335i coupe is. Its absolutely the best car Ive ever owned.

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1995e34 - 9/30/2007 8:00:23 PM

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i think the hyundai sonata is best bang for buck. and it looks great with 22" spinners.

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EnnNorak - 9/30/2007 9:31:31 PM

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22" spinners? are you a pimp or something?

1995e34 - 10/1/2007 11:00:06 AM

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yeah, i'm kinda a big deal. lookin fly in my hyundai. look out!

lexusis350 - 9/30/2007 9:10:07 PM

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There's no such thing as too good.

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carmogul - 9/30/2007 9:10:25 PM

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I agree...the 335 is King!!! However, on a slightly different note just drove the new MB C350 Sport...Mercedes has done some good things with that car. It has a tighter, moe connected feel (transmission upshifts with no lag). Only grips are not enough horsepower compared to the 335 and the brakes are a little touchy - i guess that's how they go from 60-0 in 108 feet!

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huu76 - 9/30/2007 9:25:23 PM

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Is this a joke? 001 has lost his mind.

It's just a second slower? Oh, that's it? In that case, get an STi which is FASTER and 1/2 the price of a 335i. You can fit real people in the back seat and you can outhandle a BMW, rain or shine. Better still, the Subaru interior is a luxury car compared to a BMW.

I just got back from an autoshow at our local college and I must now admit that Audi definitely is the undisputed interior champ, followed closely by Lexus and MB (tie). BMW wouldn't even let you sit us touch the 335 for fear us peons might devalue it, however, from looking, BMW comes up right after Kia.
In all seriousness though, the Tundra has a better interior than the 335, hands down.

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Star - 9/30/2007 10:22:56 PM

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The STI is NOT faster than the BMW 335i... you really need to get your facts right and anyway... to even compare that tin can made in Japan with the luxurious performance German sedan made by BMW is downright insane. Also for your information the STI is only $5k less than a 335i and is missing half of the equipment you find standard on the BMW. You need to get out more...

henbmw - 9/30/2007 11:41:23 PM

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You guys sound like idiots making exaggerated comments obviously meant to inflame people. Post elsewhere, your ignorant comments aren't wanted here.

85bmw745i - 10/1/2007 8:01:21 PMView My AgentSpace

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maybe 0-60 and that is due to launching an awd car at 5,000+ rpm. Passing power and top end the 335i would kill the STI and are you smoking crack? What in the world would posess you to even ponder the STI having a better quality interior than the BMW. Come on be realistic here. The STI is awesome, I would love to have one but it is what it is, a super econo car. the BMW has much better quality materials and you don't have to pay extra for A/C, CD player, power windows and locks. on a slower track with lots of turns sure the STI would probably win but on a track with faster corners and more straitaways the 335i would win. especially on the straights. 0-60 isn't everything. My 745i 0-60 is not very impressive at all because of the combination of a heavy car, a 2.91 rear end that allows me to go over 60mph before redline and the turbo lag make it a sloth off of the line but it destroys most anything with passing power, an on the freeway I slaughtered my old sales managers evo pushing 300hp numerous times, however on a standing drag race light to light he would slaughter me. some cars 0-60 are traction limited, while others like the STI and evo are due to the super grip of the AWD off of the line. take away the AWD and they would lose about a full second 0-60. What is the top speed of the STI? not that high because the AWD drivetrain has much more frictional loss than a RWD or a FWD (FWD sux by the way). My point is you can't always judge a car by the numbers on paper.

Autoegr525 - 9/30/2007 9:58:47 PM

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How about 635i for 65k?

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/30/2007 11:38:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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The 6 Series is not as good as the 3 Series coupe. It's bigger, but the rear seat is smaller. It's more powerful, but slower and heavier. It's more expensive, but uglier.

enthusiastx11 - 9/30/2007 10:42:33 PM

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'too good' doesn't exist. so no, the 335i is not too good.

it is, however, an AMAZING car. it does virtually everything exceptionally well...from handling to ride to comfort to power. and it's great looking. better yet, i agree that the car is unmatched even by cars that costs tens of thousands more.

love it.

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enthusiastx11 - 9/30/2007 10:46:36 PM

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however, 'too good' is an excellent explanation for anyone who buys an IS350, A4 or C-class.

'the BMW 335i was just too good for me, so i bought this instead.'

;)

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/30/2007 11:40:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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You're super-biased. We can't take anything you say seriously.

1995e34 - 10/1/2007 11:02:45 AM

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your mom drives an is350? is she single?

enthusiastx11 - 10/1/2007 2:23:47 PM

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nicad:

your mom bought the IS350. that pretty much sums it up!

1995e34 - 10/2/2007 8:20:14 PM

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not cause she's a female, cause she chose the IS

enthusiastx11 - 10/1/2007 2:25:16 PM

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so what would you take for the price of the 335i?

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S4cabriofoxone - 9/30/2007 11:42:15 PMView My AgentSpace

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"IS 350 did 66.8 mph in a slalom test. 335i did 67.6."

Why don't you go find another article in which the 335i was better through the slalom? Because ONE article where the IS350 was faster says absolutely nothing about the car.

The 335i has gotten from 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds. If that's not fast enough for you, just tune it. You can't say the same about the Lexus- no turbos.

The 335i is superbly comfortable, but still stiffly sprung and sporty, so that it's the perfect ride compromise- like all 3 Series models. The interior is also more spacious than that of the Lexus.

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henbmw - 9/30/2007 11:43:44 PM

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You just proved that the 335 is faster...

go back and get your high school diploma

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/1/2007 2:33:48 AM

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"IS 350 did 66.8 mph in a slalom test. 335i did 67.6. "

Doens't mean anything. Slalom tests have too many variables.

Your point is useless.

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jmrA480 - 10/1/2007 10:54:53 AM

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nicad- the fact is you TEST drove them for about 3-4 miles with a sales guy in the car, i highly doubt you opened them up. Yea test driving you might not feel a difference driving around 40 MPH, but once you open them up, thats were the 335 is set apart from the is350. And i also test drove them both before i got my A4, like I said if the 335 had x-drive when i got A4, i would probably be driving a 335 instead

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gsh23 - 9/30/2007 11:20:38 PM

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wait so, if slower cars are better, that means that the IS350 is slightly better because its 0.1 seconds slower right? more autospy bs...

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Agent001 - 9/30/2007 11:31:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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Did you read the other 11 reasons why I like the 335?

001

Agent001 - 9/30/2007 11:32:32 PMView My AgentSpace

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Like way better mileage than an IS with all the performance...should I go on or is that magic feel bs?

lol

001

Agent001 - 9/30/2007 11:40:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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Then you're the only one who has ever got over 22-23 mpg on the new IS350.

I drove it and the best I could do was 22.5

001

Agent001 - 9/30/2007 11:43:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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But the IS350 IS a great car as well...different, but still great

001

S4cabriofoxone - 9/30/2007 11:44:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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nicad, DON'T LISTEN TO BMW, AUDI OR PORSCHE 0-60 TIMES. They're WRONG. They ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATE. You look foolish by simply "forgetting" about all the magazine articles that have gotten 4.8-5.1 second runs with the 335i. There's also the fact that Audi quotes the S5 at 5.0, while most have gotten 4.5-4.8. Porsche quotes the C4S at 4.7 or 4.8, also, but Road & Track got a 4.1 second run. Need I go on?

Agent001 - 9/30/2007 11:49:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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Remember, just becuase I say I like the 335, doesn't mean everything else sucks...far from it.

001

Matthew1 - 10/1/2007 4:53:46 AM

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nicad wrote:

"a 1993 toyota supra with the same 3 liter 6 cylinder twin turbo destroys the 335i in absolutely every performance category. were talking a car that was made 14 years ago with similar engine."

There we have it folks, nicad has blown BMW's cover. BMW engineers, quite frankly, aren't good at what they do. Thanks to nicad's intelligent and thought-provoking insight, we can all conclude that the Engine of the Year awards, gushing critics, resounding acclaim, all fabricated. This engine is lousy.

Let's move on people.

I also guess it is safe to conclude that the Supra TT also meets strict European emissions standards and has excellent fuel economy.

I also guess that nicad isn't worth our time.

Rupert - 10/1/2007 10:09:54 AMView My AgentSpace

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The IS350 drinks fuel like it's going out of fashion...25 highway? Pity a 335i gets 35...performance is one thing but at such a sacrifice to fuel economy? That's not good engineering.

kablaam - 10/1/2007 2:21:17 PM

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"a 1993 toyota supra with the same 3 liter 6 cylinder twin turbo destroys the 335i in absolutely every performance category. were talking a car that was made 14 years ago with similar engine."

Unfortunately car companies have to work within the parameters of NEW EPA regulations. The 93 Supra, while I admit is an awesome car, would not get approved for sale in the US today. So it's a moot point to compare the two. There are F1 cars which are 1.8 liters and put out 700hp @ 18000 rpm, yes BMW does build such engines so don't say they do not have the technology. They just won't be approved for sale based on regulations.

When is Nissan going to join?

85bmw745i - 10/1/2007 8:10:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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Back in the 80's BMW had a 1.5 litre 4 cylinder formula one engine that pegged a 1,200 hp dyno. They estimated close to 1,500 hp out of a 1.5 litre engine, so yes they have the technology. a stock supra TT wouldn't exactly hand a 335i its a$$ of course it is really easy and not very expensive to make a monster out of the supra though. That is one car I actually do want to own that is not BMW, along with an acura NSX and some others

85bmw745i - 10/1/2007 9:26:06 PMView My AgentSpace

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I was not comparing I was replying to the prevoius post about the 700hp formula one car and I was stating that there were f1 cars more powerful back in the 80's but I wasn't trying to compare it to a production car.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/2/2007 7:14:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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nicad, I overlooked something in your post.

You claim to have driven "the IS 350 from san francisco to portland and back doing like 80 mph the whole way. i got 26 mpg."

Well, let's review:

• You're a self-proclaimed European who lives in Europe

• Your IS350's mpg readout, assuming you're British, would then be in the imperial gallon

Okay, so I can overlook the European stuff. You may not be European- and if you are, you may have shipped your IS350 to the US for a road trip across the country for some reason. But the mileage? You would actually be getting about 22 US MPG on the highway and around 16 in the city.

What's with the discrepancy here?

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/1/2007 2:35:19 AM

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The 335i is a fantastic car, probably the best 4-door saloon in the world (in its class). But as good the 335i may ever be, it's not an M-car. So I'll have an M3 over this 335i any day.

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ashramboy - 10/1/2007 4:46:08 AM

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you said it best. your mom drives the toyota. I say you are wanna be japanese from china.

ashramboy - 10/1/2007 4:49:05 AM

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i am talking about nicad who doesn't know anything about cars. thats your limit, your mom's toyota.

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henbmw - 10/1/2007 6:13:52 PM

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Once you move from hot wheels cars then you will realize how wrong you are.

henbmw - 10/2/2007 4:49:54 PM

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Those friends of yours, are they imaginary or over Xbox live?

Kinger - 10/1/2007 4:56:01 AM

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nicad where did you test drive the IS350? Because as far as I know its not available over here in Europe.

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montyz81 - 10/1/2007 7:28:36 AM

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I wonder if the G37 Sedan will be better when it comes out?

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Hwany - 10/1/2007 10:15:46 AM

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The current G35 is kind of disappointing in performance wise compare to the 335i and IS350.
It's a full second slowr on quatermile compare to them. I hope G37 will fix that as well!
My friend got a new 2007 G35x and I have alot of friends with G35coupe and the interior got improved alot!! but still it looks somewhat "cheap" feeling compare to other compact-size luxury cars.

LexSucks - 10/1/2007 10:12:52 AM

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nicad,

Some one asked you a question, why aren't you answering?

I'll repeat the question:

"where did you test drive the IS350? Because as far as I know its not available over here in Europe."

Can you answer please.



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Matthew1 - 10/1/2007 9:26:16 PM

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Go to school?

Junior High?

henbmw - 10/2/2007 4:50:36 PM

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I thinks that generous. I had him pegged at elementary school at best.

henbmw - 10/2/2007 4:50:46 PM

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I thinks thats generous. I had him pegged at elementary school at best.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/2/2007 5:35:39 PM

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There is a reason why Toyota doesn't offer the IS350 in Europe: it wouldn't sell. Even the smaller IS250 (which is VERY slow - compared to 325i) or the average IS220d don't sell well.

Can you imagine how big a flow the IS-F would be?!

Hwany - 10/1/2007 10:13:37 AM

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I agree with 001. BMW made a "good" mistake by making the 3.0 inline-6 TT. The gap between the normal cars and the M-cars are closer than ever.
Sure, it's not a "M"car but if you account the price difference, the performance seems closer than ever.
I hate to compare modded cars vs. stock cars but it's that good.

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2ndbimmer - 10/1/2007 12:38:10 PM

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Yes, it is too good! If people complain about the "goofy" tail lights, I installed the black line tail lights from their accessories catalog and my car looks a lot more sportier. Plus, there is less of a contrast because I have a black sapphire metallic exterior. I have no idea what I will get into next!
I dont understand how people think it is a bumpy ride? I have the sport package and I bought 19" CSL wheels for my sedan and everyone says it is smooth and not bumpy. I have been going through a lot of vehicles in the past 5 years and I have kept this one now almost a year. My girlfriend says its a new record.

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Audi4Life - 10/1/2007 1:53:19 PM

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well why didnt he just compare it to the bugatti veyron that has no trunk at all???

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supermoto - 10/1/2007 2:06:34 PM

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There is a reason why Car and Driver said the 335i is "the best all-around car in the world." Many cars are better in one way or another, but the 335i is an incredible all-around package.

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Chip - 10/1/2007 5:08:11 PM

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Then I would surely like to know what does impress you?

All these people talkin smack about the 335i surely havent driven one. You could hate every element of the car, but you'd still walk away totally impressed cause of that turbo six. If not, I recommend therapy.

ITS WORTH EVERY PENNY PEOPLE. In my eyes, its a bargain.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/2/2007 7:19:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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nicad, you are stupendous. YOU'RE BIASED. That's the only way I can put it! You never give up! Here, let me admit something: THE 3 SERIES IS BETTER THAN THE AUDI A4. It may be a lot more blurred between the RS4 and M3, but between 3 and A4, it's obvious. However, you can't admit the same thing when comparing the 3 to the IS. WHAT IS IT THAT THE IS HAS THAT THE 3 SERIES DOESN'T? Don't start with the reliability crap- the little Bimmers are near bulletproof. It's one of the top ten most reliable cars in Europe- you should know that, being a European.

Porschinator - 10/1/2007 3:24:24 PM

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Damn this thread is good for laughs...

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spadog55 - 10/1/2007 11:22:34 PM

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Nicad is a die hard Lexus fan girl. When you grow up and can afford anything your views will change, until then continue your small time thinking.

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Atenza28 - 10/2/2007 12:00:44 AMView My AgentSpace

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nicad,
When did you move?

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huu76 - 10/2/2007 1:12:36 AM

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Superstar, 85BMW,
335i is priced at $75,000, the STi is $48,000.
I'd love to see a BMW try to out turn an STi, pavement or dirt road.

335i gets 35mpg? I'd like to see that. The 2008 EPA shows the 535i get 17/20/21mpg, so add 3or4mpg for the 335i (unless the 535i has cement in its doors)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2005findacarf.jsp
The Supra might not meet current emissions standards, but the STi does.

ilikeautos,
Don't be pissed because you know it's true, a hick Toyota truck out-luxes the pretender from Germany.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/2/2007 7:22:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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The 335i coupe gets 30mpg on the highway. I'm surprised you didn't just look it up, and I wouldn't be surprised if the twin-turbo 3 did even better in flat-out highway driving.

huu76 - 10/2/2007 1:13:43 AM

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Oh, and to refer back to the title.
A Porsche is a Porsche is a Porsche, BMW is just an economy car company with the 1-series and future .5 series cars.

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/2/2007 5:37:08 PM

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Què?