It's time to drop the gloves! Which car is better-BMW 335, Lexus IS350 or Infiniti G35?

1. BMW - fastest and best handling
2. Infiniti - cheaper and more visceral than the BMW but not as luxurious or prestigous
3. Lexus - these are sports sedans, Lexus hasn't figured sport out yet.
This is my opinion don't flip out on me

— Autoegr525 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:35:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

I do not even know why are you guys having this discussion?? Do you take the original Rolex watch or the fake/copy ones when you can afford the real Rolex. Of course Lexus and Infiniti have been trying to copy BMW 3 series in decades. I choose BMW and do not even need to test drive the others since I can afford few thousand Dollars more and it is the king of the sport cars for everyday drive.

— Boston (View Profile)

Posted on 2/15/2007 6:49:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The BMW is for those that are into twisties and the other two are for those that wear a pink boa.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:40:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

1st: BMW
Better performance and handling

2nd & 3rd: Lexus and Infiniti. In that order or reversed. Not sure, one thing is for sure, they seem to be one step below the BMW

— 07mcs (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:50:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

You can't go wrong with any of them. They share similar goals, but differ in their means of acheiving them. Whatever one you choose you will still end up with an AMAZINGLY NICE CAR.

Only a fool would deny any one of them the respect they rightfully deserve.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:51:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 13   

I would take the IS350. Why? When it got introduced with its amazing power the other two trailed it immediately and had to catch up to it. The IS's quality is unmatched by any of the other two. Its fastest, handles better, less expensive than the BMW and on top of all that much more reliable than the other two. Such power in a car it better not break or what's the catch of having a powerful car that you get afraid to step on it for it not to break.

— Designer1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:53:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Best looking:

IS350, then G35, then 335i

but for handling and performance 335i is tops

— 07mcs (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:56:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9   

Almost too close to call, but think these would be my rankings:

1. BMW - best all-around package, but interior needs spice
2. Infiniti - performance as good as the BMW, but not as refined. Love the new styling
3. Lexus - Only thing missing is handling on par with the other two. Best interior by far, except for smallish rear seats.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 1:57:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Lexusadmirer,
The 335i manual is definitely faster (4.9 sec.) than the i350 manu... oh that's right they don't make one.

Maybe someday the car ENTHUSIAST mags. will do a automatic only comparison so that we can know for sure.

— golfer38 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:02:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I would put the Audi A4 next to them too, it just needs more power. But from this group, my choice is clear, 335i.

— NYC45 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:07:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

Does anyone know what the G35's drivetrain actually puts to the ground? The 1st generation G35s and 350Zs were either over-rated, or lost a LOT through the drivetrain. I haven't seen an N/A 350 or G35 that hit 240 RWHP on a dyno, but my IS350 hit 278.

— Gernby (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:18:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Since performance is subjective and all 3 cars deliver it in spades, I've been looking at something a bit less sexy... ergonomic factors.

The IS350 back seats are way way too small. It really is a 2+2. For carrying people--or a rear facing car seat--it doesn't work. Why make a sedan that really is a 2+2?

The BMW really carves out a lot of interior room in the latest 3, especially in back. With fold down rear seats, you could get a lot of utility in this thing.

If you call the performance and handling a wash--which is spotting a lot to Lexus--you still have to come back to the BMW for everyday use.

If money is a big issue, you can't go wrong with Plan b... the Infiniti. They're all great cars.

— audiot (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:21:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Infiniti is the leader in this comparo. This is why. 1.Great handling vehicle
- Skid pad .89 with sport package

2.Loaded with Technology
-Brake Preview
-Nav with traffic alerts and voice activation.
-Lane departure warning system.
-9.5Gb hard drive that can rip CDs.

3. Excellent value (more bag for the buck)

I really don't care about who is 2nd or 3rd.

— G35Lover (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:21:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

BMW's interior is bland. I can't justify the over inflated price. I am sure you BMW snobs can!!

— G35Lover (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:28:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

These kinds of questions are irrelevant. Last month who sold the most cars? BMW's 3-series by a wide margin, followed by the A4 (which sold half as many units as the 3). Despite being a new car, the G35 had poor sales, and the IS has been steadily declining.

So the answer here is the 3-series. At this price point, people want the real thing, not a Japanese imposter (and if they can't/don't want the 3, they go for the next best thing, the A/S4).

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:29:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

I was at the Irvine BMW dealer yesterday checking out the X5 3.0si SAV and there was a Lexus IS parked where the customers park and it looked so funny.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:36:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

"Top Sales" does not equate to "Best". Remember, the Ford Taurus was the top-selling car in the US for several years running.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:38:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

1.G35: I like the interior better than the 3. One could argue over button quality and other minor details, but the inside of the G blends cozy and sporty much better than the all-business 3... I would not have said that about the joke of an interior on the previous G; but the 3 has gone backwards somewhat and the G is leaps and bounds better. +1 Infiniti.

When both are equipped with a manual, the G is a half second slower, but without the use of a turbo, … and more importantly, “driving joy” is at least on par with the bimmer. I’m not counting seconds on Nurburgring, just test driving. Another +1 Infiniti...
and the final nail in the coffin: Similarly equipped, the G is about 12K cheaper than the 3, and it has a better reliability record... that’s a different price class for two cars so similar in performance and amenities. You could throw your "can’t afford a BMW" all day long. I’m going to take the 12 grand and put it into an investment that will grow instead of shrink... by the time I sell the G, I’ll be able to buy another one in cash from the growth of more wisely spent money. +2 Infiniti on this one.


2.BMW 335: The 3 is like having a hot, psychotic girlfriend. Really fun to drive when she’s in a good mood; but requires lots of maintenance and the mood swings will challenge your desire to keep her around.
It’s a better car. Yes, that’s right, its better than the G. There’s a quality to BMW mechanical engineering that goes unrivaled. It’s better looking on the outside, and drives in a more refined manner; but overall, I feel like the extra 12K I would dump on this car are going toward brand recognition. The interior is merely "acceptable," which is unacceptable for a small sedan pushing 50K; as this is where I spend all of my time. Reliability is spotty, at best. I love driving this thing, but when considered as an investment I’ll have to live with daily for another 3 years... not sure if its worth all the payments.


3. Lexus IS: Its too small. Period. Its well built, the standard-setting ML sound system is a huge plus, the ventilated seats would be huge plus on the often unbearably hot West Coast of the US, and it is the most comfortable to drive... but its too small, and Lexus simply doesn’t understand "driver’s car" yet...
The paddles: While test driving the IS350 (an ’06), I tried out the paddles. I’m doing 50 in 5th gear, I need more power so I down-shift to 4th. When I press the gas, the car DOWNSHIFTS AGAIN!! On its own. I double checked to make sure shifter was in manual mode. Yep. The paddles essentially control the auto the same way as (D-3-2-1) in older cars... this renders the paddles useless, and there is no manual option in the 350. Sorry Lexus, maybe next time.

— webguy (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 2:51:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

You have a very selective attention span, choosing which facts to incorporate and which facts to ignore in your shortsighted arguments.

ALG ranked Audi residuals third behind BMW and Lexus, in the US.

As for power, my argument is that in this class of cars, sheer speed is not the only important variable. The BMW 330i was slower than both the IS and G35, yet outsold them both for the month of October. Reality: BMW's engineer better all around cars at every pricepoint, and people are willing to pay for it.

Reality 2: The A4 is extremely competitive in this segment, despite an aging design. Wait until the B8 comes out, I guarantee it will widen the gap even further between itself and these two Japanese knockoffs.

Reality 3: Despite Audi's so so image in the US, the brand readily trumps Infiniti and Lexus in global recognition and prestige. Most international customers wouldn't even be having this debate--they don't regard Infiniti and Lexus as true competition.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:29:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Audiman,

Reality #1: No one says speed is the only variable, but good power is an important variable to a SPORTS sedan. Sorry if this excludes the A4

Reality #2. You mean "lessen the gap". G35 and IS are already AHEAD of the A4. How many VW's have that same Audi engine?

Reality #3. Sort of like the same way BMW would never consider Audi any real competition.

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:30:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

You really are stupid, everyone was right.

The G35 engine is shared with the 350z.
The IS engine is a modified version of the Camry engine. It somehow always manages to go back to the Camry with Toyota...I mean Lexus.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:39:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Right..and the A4 engine is an unmodified engine found in the Jetta, GLI, Passat. The A2 shares parts with what? The Skoda? Seat?

quality stuff there....high quality.

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 8:27:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The A2 isn't on sale any more.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 9:44:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I wonder why....?

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:51:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I wonder why....?

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:58:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Hey, I didn't like it either.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 6:24:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Here is my take;

Lexus IS350
PROS- Great Performance,Lexus Dependability, Very Sexy Styling
CONS- Size (Too Small), Price, and a little too numb for my liking, lacks European driving flare.

BMW 335i
PROS - Twin Turbo Engine with almost no lag, amazing handling, reputation for performance.
CONS- Price, Dependability history (especially 1st year production), Styling lacks certain 3 Series traditional cues, very "blah" interior, the ultimate status seekers transportation.

Infiniti G35
PROS - Awesome performance, best V6 in the business, truly amazing sounds, size, excellent stereo, innovative technology, aggressive styling that stays true to Japanese heritage, very original (not a wannabe 3 series),Huge warranty, dependability heritage, excellent handling, best value for dollar hands down.
CONS- Lacks the status level of the BMW and Lexus, ummmm......

The 2007 G35 is my pick, truly an amazing car, shows the world that the Germans are not the kings of the neo-luxury market anymore. Once the reputation of the 3 series has been estabilished for the G35 you may very well see the crown go to this car.
What more could ask for in a sports sedan?
The Reliablity of the Lexus, and the driving pleasure of the BMW, and more of a connected feel that either the IS or the 3........and here's the best part.....its a lot less money than both of its rivals!

The 1st G35 was an awesome performance car but lacked certain appointments that held it back from being the victor. My hat goes off to Infiniti/ Nissan, they were listening and all those concerns have been addressed in the 2007.
Do the math and like myself you won't be able to justify buying anything but the G35.

Mazman

— Mazman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:24:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I realize why there is so much hate between audi and then everyone else. It's because no matter what audi fan boys feel they aren't enough and therefore they must argue and argue and argue so they can get some of the action, and this starts a cycle that that has no end to it. Audi fanboys need to calm down and understand that every car brings something different to the table and to say that one car is better than another car completely is ridiculous, audi fanboys, chill out and open your eyes cause it's not fun arguing over the same thing over and over again.

— MBKing (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:25:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9   

1. 335/G35: The 3 series is too good but the G35 has shown that you dont need to spend that much money to get as much Performance/luxory. (I like the exterior of the G35 better)

3. IS350: I dont find it as classy as the other two, despite the Lexus name. i like the performance but I really dont like the looks.

— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:32:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Nothing beats German engineering...Enough said.

— BimmerFan (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:36:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Interior of the IS350, Looks of the G35, and the engine of the 335.

— blueice4589 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:38:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

It just so happens that Audi is the third highest selling premium brand in the world behind BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:51:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -10   

1. I think most people shop price and then find what vehicles fall into their price range. For those that are shopping on price, they will probably be comparing the 328i sedan vs the G35 sedan.

Of those, which is better?

For the approximate cost of a 335i you can get an Infiniti M35 ($41k), M35x ($44k). Which of those is better?

2. I looked into the 335i and configured the cars to how I would buy them and if the pricing on the new G35 is similar, I see a whopping $11,735 price difference. I'm not sure I would pay 23% more for the badge and heritage of the BMWs for similar performance. I would agree though that BMW is probably a better put together car, but in my experience they have been much less reliable.

3. So, 2007 335i or 2007 G35? If money is not an object go with the 335i. You will be driving the best sedan in the class (BMW is an asperational vehicle). If you have to keep an eye on the budget, buy a G35.

— Loki123 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 3:55:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Quit counting the pennies and buy the BMW 335, what's the matter with you?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:03:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

To all lexus lovers saying that BMW styling is ugly!!!

I find lexus IS veeeery ugly. I'm not lexus hater (I think LS looks seeeexy), but IS us just plain ugly victim of abortion. So, stop saying it just for the sake of saying it, because you did not have money to buy better car.

How do you people know how much maintenance the car requires and how reliable it is if you drive ugly IS??? Don't say that you read it in C&D or somewhere else. ONCE, I READ ON LEXUS'S WEBSITE, THAT BMW 3-SERIES STILL HAS THE EDGE OVER NEW IS (that is true :-) and it was on this website. )))

— vladyxa (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:12:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

bmw, infiniti, lexus. it's not hard guys.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:33:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -11   

Infiniti's have historically had poor resale. Audi did, but now has improved to the point that they're ranked third behind Lexus and BMW.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:53:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Though most Infiniti's have low resale value, the G35 is probably the exception. For example, the 06 G35 is on Edmunds 10 Best Residual Value Cars.

RESEARCH...

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:21:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

jpmracingf1... one who is most insecure must respond to other's opinions and make them personal. You might benefit from some psychiatric help. My office can always use more patients.

— BimmerFan (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:35:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I Think the new 3 series Lacks Style.....what makes it a good car is because its a BMW

1.Infiniti
2.Lex
3.Bimmer

In my eyes

— AgentBrabus (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:45:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

BimmerFan---You are Like so Bias to BMW it is not even funny....

— AgentBrabus (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:48:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

jpmracingf1

You do need some help, seriously. I guess, you are the category of people I mentioned in my comment. ))) Go on, embrace yourself, until BimmerFan will have to come for the rescue.

P.S.: Try to learn to read comments thoroughly, not just every other word.

P.S.S.: I heard about new tendency in kids, who try to appear older on internet. The way they try to accomplish this is by publicly suspecting others of young age, brinning up personal examples. So, kiddo, when you dump your corolla, and buy one of three above cars, feel free to write a comment. )))

— vladyxa (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 4:58:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

1. IS350: fastest, most reliable, nice interior, good handling (IMO), but doesn't carry that independent image.

2. BMW335: prestigous, probably the best handling, lacks interior appeal, expensive compared with competitors

3. G35: faster than the BMW335, nice interior, good handliing, best bargain, BUT...you may as well get an Altima(I'm sure nissan will produce a 3.5R and it will be much cheaper than the G35)

— Jay7 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:06:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

They are all good cars. Of course Lexus has the most reliability. The Bimmer has the best ride and handling suspension and the Infiniti is in between.The Infiniti has the best price point so for the money then it would be the best bang for the buck. The Lexus is going to be the most luxurius and probably the quietest. The Bimmer is a Euro car. If money were no object I would own the Bimmer. If price were a consideration I would own the Infiniti. If I really valued luxury and quietness I would own the Lexus.I currently drive a Mini Cooper S. So if I were in the market I would probably by the lower powered Bimmer without the servotronic and 6 speed. Point is it really gets to be a personal choice.

— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:17:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

Superior Lexus reliability howso? Cupholders that don't flip out like Audi and BMW that Americans seem incapable of understanding? Maybe the fact that German cars have a higher learning curve to understand the workings of the car?

The differences in "reliability" are irrelevant, considering the criteria Consumer Reports and JD Powers use to distinguish alleged "problems".

Take out a so-called "reliability" advantage, and what's left? Two Japanese copycats that command prices of over $30k and claim to be sport sedans.

AMERICANS HAVE SPOKEN: THEY DON'T WANT KNOCKOFFS.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:43:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Even without considering reliability, the comparison still doesn't include the A4. Outclassed, outgunned, placed 5th place in the last $35k C&D comparo.

I guess C&D editors are not American. They spoke, and the A4 got owned by the 330i, IS350, G35, and...

... an Acura TL !!!!

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:36:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Instead of dissing the importance of reliability, maybe you should ponder why the A4 isn't in this story.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:39:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It's the same thing with you, over and over again. You knock the A4 for "not being in this league", yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that it outsold the G35 (a brand new car introducted in October), and the IS, despite underneath it all being a four year old car.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:44:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Audiman,

If you think sales=better car, then you have some serious problems.

So by that reasoning, the Acura TL is a better car than an A4. It outsold it and beat it in C&D comparo. Your arguments are baseless.

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:50:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

"Audiboy here is just upset that the headline to this thread didn't even include the A4."

Hmm.

This is a thread about new, 300hp "entry-level" sedans. The A4 is neither new nor a 300hp car. Notice how the C-Class, X-Type and TL aren't included, either.

When the new A4 comes out, we'll talk.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 9:43:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

"The A4 is neither new nor a 300hp car. "

Exactly. The A4 is simply outclassed.

— jpmracingf1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:43:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Wow, you stop at nothing! READ- the A4 is not NEW! The new A4 WILL HAVE 300HP!

This site makes me sick...

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 6:31:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Will, you're so disillutioned and shortsighted. The IS isn't taken seriously anywhere, not even here, where the BMW outsells it 3 to 1.

Take your head out of your Southern, country ass.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 5:37:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

I like them all, but here's my placement...

1: 335i. It's the most balanced of the three- combines perfect driving dynamics, a well-furnished interior (though not up to par with the Lexus), a smooth ride and good gas mileage in one stylish package.

2. IS350. Most luxurious, least sporty. Not much of an edge any more because it has no power advantage- but I like the looks.

3. G35. It's lost the specialness that made the last model so appealing. No longer the most powerful, and the cheap interior is a weak effort by Infiniti- especially after seeing the M's much nicer interior. I also don't love the way it looks.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:03:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I vote for the Kia Optima.

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:04:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I wish if I tested all the three cars to give you an informative impression, but because I didn't, I wouldn't debate on something I did not experience. Bye, the way, which one of you actually drove all three cars or at least one of them?

— Auto_Fan (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:28:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Here is my take...

Life is a compromise. Is the BMW worth $10K more than the Infiniti or Lexus? I think it just comes down to what your priorities are. If it’s performance, the BMW is a no-brainer in my mind. It’s incredibly capable, and possibly comparable to the outgoing M3. It is also the flashier car of the the three. For those who are more interested in family car attributes of sensibility, price consciousness, or geek attributes of excellent technology, the Infiniti or Lexus would be the choice. They offer more and better technology than the Bimmer at a lower price, and has performance that is more than adequate for all but a few.

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:30:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

1. BMW :The best of the best

2. Infiniti: Fast, techy, and bloated. Looks like a bubble. 2nd place

3. IS350: IMO, its ugly. The lower front facia is terrible. The car is more lower grille than anything. Ugh.

— mstangpny07 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:32:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I forgot to add. Since my prorities are inline with performance. The winner for me is the BMW 335i.

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:42:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Which am I throwing my cash down for? 335...but the coupe instead of sedan. According to Edmunds, it came in 2/10ths slower to 60mph behind the Ferrari they most recently tested. This is one serious beast. As for the Japanese competition? Yawn.

— supermoto (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:47:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

The IS is the winner here...

Like the other two, it has the AWD option, which is key.

In the style department, the IS is a few cuts above the rest, as most can agree.

In power, it might be bettered by the Bimmer, i don't know, im not an expert.

In overall luxury, it is far better than the Infiniti's fake aluminum and more luxurious (not neccessarily sportier) than the Bimmer.

That is my opinion, feel free to set me in my place.

— audihater (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 6:57:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The 335i gets my money. It feels like a much more exotic car than the others.

— Chip (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 7:01:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The 335i is far far far from exotic. It's one of the most popular cars on the road.

If you are looking for exotic, go for the Lexus. It's bound to turn heads.

— audihater (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 7:06:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

why does anyone assume the IS is any more reliable than the others? i have not seen any studies showing this. no, consumer reports doesn't count. i don't question lexus' reliablity as much as the supposed unreliability of the others.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 7:39:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Will, your boyfriend is calling.....he wants you in the bedroom!

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 8:01:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

damn Audiman4 got zinged so bad!

— vcowman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 10:09:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I declare BMW the winner.

Where's my car?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 10:27:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Sweet.

Now that there has been another posting extravaganza, can we all just agree that there isn't one car that's the "best"?

Let's discuss more important things like where the hell is Infiniti's Q45 replacement, and why are Audiman4 and Will swapping partners?

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 10:38:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Sorry to disappoint, but there is no such thing as a Toyota IS 350. But it seems to me that the most boring person would drive the most boring car. So tell me, what do you drive. That way we can all deem our decision on that.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 11:12:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Does "Toyota Altezza" ring any bells?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 11:43:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

LOL!

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 12:24:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Why do Toyota guys keep bringing up the Jetta, when it shares absolutely nothing with the A4? That's like calling the IS a Corolla.

Reality: The Lexus ES and RX share more in common with the Camry than any Audi does with a VW.

— AUDIMAN4 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 12:33:09 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

although i don't put the lexus any higher than 3rd place on a good day, i can't put it below that fwd acura. no way. acura, please get rwd. please. please. please!!!

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 2:10:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

LexusHater-
Oh, that was real mature.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 6:20:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Even though my car has absolutely nothing (ZERO- not a thing) in common with the Jetta? Nice try!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 6:27:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

And Will, you actually DO own a re-badged Toyota Celsior- everything was the same between the LS430 and the Celsior. I know, I know- you're going to yell at me about how the LS460 isn't a Toyota any more. Well, I'm not talking about the LS460- I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR LS430. So, in essence, you drive a Japanese-spec Toyota, which is one reason why it was much less expensive than competitors. Will, could you have afforded (and/or bought) a Mercedes-Benz S430, with your options, when you bought the LS430?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 6:38:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Let me make a prediction before I even read the article:

1. BMW
2. Infiniti
3. Lexus

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/6/2006 11:05:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Man BMW can't build a normal naturally aspirated engine without failing every 4 days, they have a twin turbo engine now?? That's absolute madness, let's wait and see how good the engine will cope with the turbos and we will remind each other. Wake up. The IS looks nicer, performs much better, regarding its naturally aspirated, reliability is much better and quality. People who chose BMW do it only for showing off.

— ToyotaLexus (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 1:34:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I have my IS350 for a year now. It was probably one of the first IS350 to hit the US land. My girlfreind just got a 335i (coupe) 2 months ago, and the car has been in the shop for 20+ days. Everything in her car seems to be falling off, literally. But 335i is an absolute blast to drive. handles much nicer, and power is there when you need it, esp when you are trying to pass. no turbo lag or whatsoever. For performance, IS350 is no match for 335i, but it doesnt mean IS is cant perform. IS350 performs very well indeed. I dont know why people are saying LEXUS handls like a Buick. Sure, ES350 handles like a boat but if you havent driven IS350, I suggest you go try one. The interior is much nice even tho my IS350 doesnt even come with Navigation. The build quailty of IS is a lot more superior than that of BMW's.

It's really a tough choice choosing btw IS350 and 335i honestly, I am glad i get to drive whatever I want (when 335i isnt in the shop)

— gobears (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 2:09:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

The question wasn't which one is the fastest thus the best.

— karupspc (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:16:58 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

the reason CR gets so much flak, is because they DO factor in the reliability stats. compiled by professional statisticians, btw.

any car, NO MATTER how good at "accident avoidance," gets a "Not Recommended" if it falls Below Average on reliability. and this IS NOT a high bar. Average is ok. (Above Average being best, of course.)

the fact a LOT ob MB cars, including the vaunted S-class, FAILS TO GET OVER THIS LOW BAR, has mbz really PISSED at CR. but facts are facts.

bmw and audi are slightly better. but they too, are beat by most AMERICAN cars (to say nothing of asian) on reliability.

as HONEST posts by former bmw owners here attest to.


[excerpt of fuller post above, for those who only read latest]

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:38:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Owned a few BMW's over the years. None have really been to the shop as often as some might suggest; however, maintenance is pricey. In this comparo, I would still choose the 3er over the other two sedans.

The 3er handles better and provides the right amount of support for drivers. Among the three, I don't really get the arguement ovver the interiors. The Infiniti's interior is great although the buttons seem a bit too many. The 3er's interior is probably decent and cold;however, the IS interior isn't that nice compared to the other sedans without a NAV sytem on it.

— Boss8can (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 5:39:53 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

A sport sedan by definition should be….well sporty.

If price is no object, then it’s obvious the BMW 335i is the best car here.
Yes, they all seat 4, they all have 4 doors, they all offer pretty much the same options and gadgetry.

But, the Bimmer is the best cause it takes performance to heroic levels. And it does it with acceptable levels of refinement and comfort.

Plus, you don’t have to explain to your friends why you bought one.

— weaponX (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 9:50:47 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Well... this is a pretty simple question to me
1st: 335i
better performance, better handling, the interior is more stylish, but the exterior might not be that standing out compare to the other two.

2nd: is350
much better than the last is.but the performance and handling are still no way compare to bmw.just when you hold the steering wheel,you already know which car is better.the exterior looks really sporty, but the dash board is not looking too exciting, although its very refined, but i bet you next year when you see it again, you will think the interior is soo old fashion... ...

3rd: g35
pretty good performance and handling. nice exterior. but the interior is just way soooo chrap... ... looks so cheap. doesnt look like a bmw lexus competitor.

— dayday (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 11:05:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Heck with these three cars, I would pick a left over C55 AMG! You can get a C55 now for basically the same price as any of these cars fully loaded with exception of the G35. The C55 power is so incredible, the G35 (or IS350) are not in the same league. Even though the Bimmer posts a fast 0-60MPH, (I've seen the C55 posted at 4.7sec - 5.1sec.) the C55 feels so much stronger throughout all driving conditions. Lexus...well, its a Lexus. No driving dynamics. This comes from past BMW M owner, Infiniti Q & G owner, and now proud C55 owner.

— AMGnAZ05 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 12:57:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

need more cars to join this battle

Audi, MB and Caddy, but NO Acura, FWD crap need to stay away...

i will get G35

— pchera01 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 1:54:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I would rule out any sports sedan that doesn't have a stickshift. Automatics are for video game wankers. If you really are a car enthusiast, learn how to take full control of your engine and drivetrain. Otherwise, you're just a poser.

— tundraboy (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 2:02:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The G35 wins hands down. Has the performance & handling on par with BMW but adds great technology and has a "new" feeling interior, while the BMW feels like the 80's. G35 has AWD option. and just too many improvements over the 335i to list here.

BMW can compete if it dropped $10K in price, then it's only 3K more then the G35 for equally equipted vehicles (yes it's $13K more!!! stop saying no, go to the bmw.com site and build a 335i... YES IT's $53,390!!! vs G35's $40,390!!!)

Lexus would need have bigger back seats or it can't compete, might as well be a 2-seater. it would also need AWD option on the 350. and much better handling/suspension feel.

— kring (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:31:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Uh... How do you vote? this site makes no sense???

— kring (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:35:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

how silly.. its like comparing audi to BMW. BMW wins every time!. On every dimension. Lexus? Infiniti.?? i am still laughing.

— AmazingBimmer (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 3:56:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I have to say after having owned Both a 2003 330i in the past and currently an 05 G35 Sedan that there is certain refinements that the BMW offered over the G35 I now drive.
BMW's have a certain feeling to them that is consistant among their entire line up. If you have previously owned one, getting in a new one offers a familiar and pleasant feeling.
Unfortunatley over the year BMW's have become too refined, and over engineered. They lack that true raw driving experience of sound and feel that made me first fall in love with them during the time I owned my E36.
The G35 I drive on the other hand is alot more focused and dedicated sports sedan than any BMW I owned in the past. Sometimes its a little too raw for my liking, the shifter vibrates a little too much, and road noise is a little more than I would like. Truly the G35 feels right at home when you are driving it as hard as possible. Its almost as if it encourages you to abuse it, you become tiresome or impatient when you are having to drive it easy, or just cruising. The interior of the 2005 I drive is a step up from the 03/04 models but still feels a little cheap.
I was really concerned that new G35 was going to become too refined and would lose some of its rawness. I have driven the new G35 and I have to say it is truly an awesome car. Any issues you read about me complaining about my 2005 have been addressed. Its as if they took the car I drive now and perfected everything about it. The lines are smoother, the powertrain is smoother, and the road noise has been signifagantly reduced. Personally I prefer the IS350's interior styling, and find it to be a little more rich and inviting. By comparison to the 335i's interior the G35 wins hands down, the BMW's interior is boring and basic by comparison. The sound of the G35 has always been great, and the new one sounds even better. Its as if Infiniti managed to take the current note and remove any rough sounds the previous one would occasionally make.
The reasons why BMW has lost my business is;
A) The reliablity was never something you could depend on, and the costs of repairs were too high and frequent.
B) BMW as a brand has lost its initial allure that attracted me in the first place. BMW was at one point like Infiniti...the Under Dog. Since their rush of fame many years ago the brand has developed a certain arrogance that makes not want to be an owner.
You see I look at it like this, an individual buys an Infiniti not for recognition but for what it truly offers. The person who is driving the Infiniti bought it because they at one point fell in love with it. Now you could say that the guy that buys the BMW might have felt the same way, but in many cases I cant agree. People don't de-badge their G35's, actually in some cases they will re-badge them as Nissan Skylines! At BMW you can find some buyers that will buy the low end model and de-badge it, or worse re-badge it with a false higher badge to "show

— Mazman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 4:48:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

continued.....
All in all you have to ask yourself what you are buying. A car for your true enjoyment and pleasure or to impress others. If you are buying a BMW 335i you could have both, but at a premium. But if you are confident in yourself and are honest with yourself then your desicion will be a pure one. Personally I feel that the Infiniti buyer bought their car for themselves and not the eyes of others.

— Mazman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 4:57:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

One word for BMW... Chris Bangle. The new BMW's are just plain ugly IMHO.

My vote goes to the new 2007 G35 Sedan. I just traded my old 2003 G35 Sedan for one. I can afford the new BMW 3 series sedan but decided to get another G.

The interior of the 2007 G's has been vastly improved
and with 306HP it's fast enough I worry about my wife driving it.

Here's a few pics of my new 2007 G35 Sedan:
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234421

— Railgunner (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 7:36:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

One word for BMW... Chris Bangle. The new BMW's are just plain ugly IMHO.

My vote goes to the new 2007 G35 Sedan. I just traded my old 2003 G35 Sedan for one. I can afford the new BMW 3 series sedan but decided to get another G.

The interior of the 2007 G's has been vastly improved
and with 306HP it's fast enough I worry about my wife driving it.

Here's a few pics of my new 2007 G35 Sedan:
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234421

— Railgunner (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 7:37:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Funny how anyone chosing BMW is getting blast-boosted down into the negatives. I think we have some serious BMW haters in here.

— indoctrin8ed (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 8:39:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Sorry for the long response, but have any of you driven all three???

I've driven all of them, with the DSC/ESP on and off. I’ve got them all sideways too. I expected them to be all pretty good, just a little different, but they were DRASTICALLY, maybe DRAMATICALLY different in how they felt. Putting looks aside, this depends on what you like, and more importantly, what you don’t like, as usual. If you don’t push the car hard, then any of these cars will do fine. But as you begin to push these cars up to, and past their limits, their differences become pronounced. From a performance perspective, all of these cars do pretty well and pretty close in a straight line with good practice with the gearbox. Give or take 2-3 tenths isn’t a huge difference.

Engine/acceleration: Where they really behave differently is when you need torque and don’t feel like dropping two gear shifts to rap the thing out to get it to do what you need it to do. The BMW was by far the best power plant here, more usable torque and smooth and sounded the best too. I’d give a tie to Infiniti and Lexus for 2nd; the Lexus was smoother and quieter, The Infinity felt like there was a rougher engine and “sound insulated” so you didn’t hear its rough edges, but you could tell. Because the IS engine was so smooth, you could red-line it and not feel guilty; reminded me of a high-RPM pneumatic precision dental drill. The Infiniti made me feel guilty about pushing it and had a sharp torque drop off.

Braking: I POUNDED the brakes on that BMW until they began to fade. When I was finished, the front wheels were very dark with dust. These brakes held up like rockstars, just like my M3. I could tell they were hot, they made that sound that hot brakes make, but they never faded that much. The G35’s faded more than the BMW but held up good. The IS were disappointing. I got these puppies too hot and I warped the rotors. Yes, when I returned the car, I I said “there’s something wrong with these brakes”, just after giving them a cool down and wiping the brake dust off the wheels. Ouch. Sorry Lexus, I could never buy this car because I would have to immediately have to replace the brakes with something better.

Driver Feel- Breaking Loose: When pushing to and past the limits of traction, it’s nice to “feel” what’s happening, and what’s ABOUT to happen as the car goes from full traction to over/understeering. I could get the G35 sideways easier than all of them because it’s rear end is lighter in comparison to it’s torque, but it all happens at once, making it, well, not very fun. It goes from understeer to oversteer very quickly, even doing both for a second. I really didn’t like that. The Lexus was more balanced in it’s traction bias and had a smoother transition to oversteer (tailspin), but I couldn’t get it to deliver enough continuous torque to keep turning the car with the rear, so it was a nice slide while it lasted and then grip. When not oversteering, it preferred

— indoctrin8ed (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 9:45:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I think a comparison is pointless in the sense that the Bimmer is going to win hands down. Just look at all previous comparison between the 330 and these cars in Car & Driver, Automobile Mag, Road & Track. Whichever magazine you pick, the Bimmer comes out on top. All editors had drawn the same conclusion: "BMW is the most balanced". Well, my comment is that it shows the value of Branding. BMW has been around the longest and is known for sports sedan and these guys just treat BMW as royality. My other comment: A car is most balanced when it is parked so I argued that post office mail delivery truck parked in front of a mail box is just as balanced as a BMW.

The other reality that these editior failed to notice:
Even BMW realize that it is underpowered so that it comes out with the 335. The sad part is that it has to use two turbo charger to match the other cars' output as it insist to use an inline-6 rather than a V6, it is handicapped to use a smaller displacement engine in order to retain its near 50-50 balance so it must use turbochargers.

Turbochargers have their merits as the Bimmers' torque trumps the competition. Funny that AMG has been doing that for a few years now.

So Bimmer deserves to win because of higher torgue, availability of 6-speed manual, being more "balanced" and the most important fact that its junior brother 330i already beat the x out of the other two cars.

— fast123a (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 9:51:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I would disagree about the G35 ousting a 330 on a track. I've driven both of them. This would depend on the track.

Nascar style oval, the G35 would win because it has a power advantage and can "set-in" to a lateral G a slightly harder. (By design, to win over spec-sheet shoppers for marketing).

But in technical twisties, the 330 would be better; better weight balance, better in oversteer/understeering dynamics in change of attitude. I've driven them both, at and beyond their limits, the 50/50 weight and positive handling of the 330 BMW, I believe it would be better.

On either track the 335 would come out ahead.

I've done the same thing to a friends G35 coupe, and he had brembo upgrades. I wasn't impressed with that car, mostly because of the powerplant and transmission, even though it's the hottest looking one of all these cars in coupe version IMO.

— indoctrin8ed (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 3:03:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

My number one concern is reliability. And in that order my pick is Lexus, Infiniti, BMW. However, my second concern is performance coupled with AWD for year round drivability in poor weather. Lexus and BMW cripple the performance of their AWD versions. Infiniti is the only one at this point in time to offer the same performance engine for both RWD and AWD. So it is my #1 pick at this time. I currently own a 2000 BMW 328i. Great performance and handling. However, after test driving the Infiniti, I came away very impressed. Nearly the same driving feel and even a bit smoother in operation. The Lexus by comparison feels numb.

— klipprand (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 11:02:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

My number one concern is reliability. And in that order my pick is Lexus, Infiniti, BMW. However, my second concern is performance coupled with AWD for year round drivability in poor weather. Lexus and BMW cripple the performance of their AWD versions. Infiniti is the only one at this point in time to offer the same performance engine for both RWD and AWD. So it is my #1 pick at this time. I currently own a 2000 BMW 328i. This is my 3rd BMW over the last 21 years of car ownership. Great performance and handling. However, after test driving the Infiniti, I came away very impressed. Nearly the same driving feel and even a bit smoother in operation. The Lexus by comparison feels numb.

— klipprand (View Profile)

Posted on 12/7/2006 11:04:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

I liked the IS350 so much I bought the first one that came in.

— bartkat (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 12:12:12 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The 335i is a better driver's car than the other two;however,the G35 comes pretty close. The IS may offer more comfortable seats than the other two but it suffers greatly due to the small space offered in the rear. And in my opinion, without a nav system the IS interior is practically bland and overrated, specially the red wood, which seems rather cheap compared to the light wood trim offered in the 3er.

— Boss8can (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 5:32:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

sorry Bangle-heads, the new 3 series sedans back lites look like a freakin ugly Buick, and the coupe looks like a whole Buick..........boring!

— bagwell (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 8:29:54 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I vote for the consistent BMW 335 styling for exterior and interior.

The BMW looks expensive inside and out, but get the 335 without the wood trim inside and get the brushed aluminum.

The other two cars are wannabe crybabies.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 11:34:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Hey, I have never owned a BMW.

I keep reading about BMW's are not reliable.

Can someone tell me specifically what the reliability issues are with BMW's?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 12:13:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The G35 is the best overall value. I am not sure why someone would buy a BMW for 5-6k more. for that extra 5k you get 3 extra letters. Not worth it in my mind. The Lexus doesn't even compair, its too soft.

— montyz81 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 2:51:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The G35 is the best overall value. I am not sure why someone would buy a BMW for 5-6k more. for that extra 5k you get 3 extra letters. Not worth it in my mind. The Lexus doesn't even compair, its too soft.

— montyz81 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 2:53:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

hey, EL34 have you ever heard anycars are as reliable as Japanese BIG3, NO, none of the german cars are not as reliable as Japanese BIG3

If you think Nissan is not reliable, then none of the German cars are no reliable at all...

I could be wrong on Porsche, that is only one company could the best reliable from Germany

— pchera01 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 2:53:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

is this the biggest thred in the autospies.com ever had???

— pchera01 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 3:00:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

WOW is this a popular topicn not to mention controversial. Sorry guys, their are two types of people sharing their opinions here, BMW owners and admirers and those that cannot afford one so a car a good car 10 grand less must be better. I like the interior, the car is awesome to drive. I have driven all three cars and I still feel that "Nothing drives like a BMW.

— jochet (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 3:11:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

That about sums it up. Those that can afford the best car in it's class, or those who root for the underdog for less $.

Why don't we compare cars in the same class against used cars of the same value? If you spend $25,000 on a used or new sedan, who wins: BMW/Audi/Lexus/Infiniti - etc.

This reminds me of a popular segment on 5th gear.

The used car market is much more adjusted for perceived value than MSRP.

— indoctrin8ed (View Profile)

Posted on 12/8/2006 6:09:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

i think the bmw is a better used car. get the warrany, and forggetabouit

— vcowman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/9/2006 12:37:19 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

You just know that the 3-series will power along over its model shelf-life, retaining its benchmark status, while the IS and G35 will become old and have to keep on getting re-freshed as interest in the 'also rans' dwindles.

No arguement, the BMW is the better car to drive. However, many are put off by the image of BMW, and don't wish to follow the crowd.

For those people, the IS and G35 become interesting options. However, those put off by the image of BMW will most likely stick to a European car, and will buy an Audi or Mercedes.

— Matthew1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/9/2006 12:48:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

1. 335
2.5 G35
2.5 IS350

BMW - Incredibly fun to drive, excellent visibility and driver position, torque and power to beat the others, sublime handling and smooth and supple ride. Only car I've driven that feels like an extension of my own limbs. Has a timeless style that grows on me. Like a fine beer or wine, it's an acquired taste, and I appreciate the design more the more I look at it - (except the rear of the sedan, still can't get used to it - ugh).

IS350 - Great paint job. The style initially turned my head, but grew old on me fast. It's like a saccharin sweet and catchy pop tune that immediately catches your attention and sounds great at first listen, but you quickly get sick of. Other negatives: Suffocating interior, unharmonious grey/green plastic center console and really cheap and hollow feeling knobs, thin plastic paddle shifters- My kids have toys with more substantial controls on them. Joke of a back seat, numb handling, a yawn to drive, jittery/jumpy ride. And to top it off, NO MANUAL TRANSMISSION! No thanks Lexus, maybe next time.

G35 - Never liked the overuse of fake (or real) chrome in Nissan's cars. I'm not a fan of Nissan interiors. I just think the design is immature looking. Like they're trying too hard to look sporty and come off like your little brother trying to look cool in front of your friends. Haven't driven it, so I can't comment other than to say I've read several extensive reviews in the past months and I suspect that it doesn't match the 335's composed, ultra-refined ride and handling or the feeling of the controls. It seems to be a more crude effort in many ways.

— wistar (View Profile)

Posted on 12/9/2006 6:07:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Value:
1. G35
2. IS350
3. 335i

Performance.
1. 335i
2. IS350
3. G35

Appearance
1. IS350
2. G35
3. 335i

Quality
1. IS350
2. G35
3. 335

The BMW is the best car overall by a small margin but is also the most expensive by a large margin. (pretty disproportionate) The G35 is a great car but gets horrible gas mileage and has an uncomfortable foot setup (the gas pedal and foot rest seem to be at drastically different positions). The IS350 offers the best balance for your $. I think depending on your price point G35<IS350<335i you can't go wrong. I found the IS350 to fit best for me.

In the end it's very difficult to choose because the cars are priced differently....I remember when I bought a Prelude in 2000 they were saying it was runner up to the 3 series coupe...but the cars were $15000 apart!

If I was going to spend $50K for a car, I'd get the Lexus GS.

— IS350MD (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2006 2:10:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Everyone has their own opinion. In reality I don't think this is a "Winner" its based on situation, taste, preference....

For me 2007 G35X then the 335XI and then the IS350. I can also give an my own accurate opinion because I was in the market for a car and I test drove all 3.

G35X has a gorgeous interior in the new sedan, good power and good reliability history and best bang for the buck.

The 335XI was nice, I just didnt like the interior styling and also cost about 8k more than the G35X.

The IS350 didn't appeal to me much but since Lexus was right next door might as well be nosy. The IS350 felt cheap inside, which surprised me, my buddy has a GS and the interior is gorgeous. Also it lacked power compared to the 335XI and the G35X. Still more expensive than the G35X.

So I ended getting a 2007 G35X.

For the people that said the G35 interior is cheap, you obivously have not seen the 07 G35 sedans.

The IS350 really didn't feel like a luxury car, the interior wasn't what I expected from Lexus and the car was slow.

I really did like the BMW, but the price tag makes it difficult. Like many people said if money was not object, they get a 335XI. Well if money really wasn't an object I wouldn't be looking at these 3 cars..

— blklegend (View Profile)

Posted on 12/15/2006 4:15:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I vote for the 335. I own the coupe so I'm obviously biased, but this bias is based on test drives of each of the models in question prior to my purchase, and I finally settled on the 335. BTW I test drove the 335 sedan not the coupe I ended up purchasing. Here's my take.

These cars are all really nice cars. I'm not going to be a snobby BMW owner and say the other two are copycats. The IS350 and G35 are excellent cars in their own right. Personally, I like the styling of the IS more than the other two. Lexus threw in a lot of nice in-cabin tech with Infiniti not far behind. BMW is behind in the luxury and tech appointments.

But for me the whole reason I was buying this car was a combination of luxury and the drive. The 335 impressed me the most with the acceleration and handling at the limit. We can drop magazine figures all day, but what matters is the way the consumer feels when he/she actually drives the car. I came away with the best impression after driving the bimmer.

I was very excited about the IS350 test drive, I had heard and read a lot about it and was pretty sure that was the car I was gonna get because it had the performance numbers and the looks, along with Japanese manufacture (I am a fan of Japanese cars). The IS350 acceleration is supposed to be very quick, but it didn't *feel* quick. And the steering was very electronic-feeling. It felt like I was playing a video game. My weak 99 Honda Accord had better road feedback and felt more sporty. Lexus really luxurified (made up that word) this car and thats a good fit for some people but not for me.

Infiniti's acceleration and handling, on the other hand, were quite impressive in contrast. The looks of it didn't impress me as much though, and despite the butt-dyno the acceleration on paper wasn't great.

For a $10k+ premium the 335 delivered the ENTIRE package. It feels faster than the other two, it is faster on paper, and it handles well. The tunability has already been proven. You really feel connected with the road. Is it worth the $10k premium? Esp with expensive (and stereotypically, oft-occurring) BMW maintenance/repair after the warranty is over? I try not to ask myself that question. I admit that if I were a more financially sound person I would have opted for the G but the emotional thrill kinda killed my rational side.

If I was short on the dough (or even if I had the dough but didn't have as much emotional attachment to driving pleasure) I would definitely get the G35. But, I love to drive, and the 335 was perfect.

— JustAMirage (View Profile)

Posted on 12/15/2006 8:49:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

As stated before if you buy any of the three cars listed above your going to be happy with your purchase. This segment is so competitive that they have to be amazing! With that being said, the three cars that I looked into getting were the 2006 Is, 2006 325i, and the 2007 Infiniti G35. I started my research on all the cars as soon as I heard about the 2006 IS coming out. I really liked the BMW at first and figured I would get that as soon as I could make my purchase. Then... I drove the BMW. It was amazing at handling and the shifts were smooth as could be, I loved it. But when I got done driving I sat in the car and looked around... I was struck with distaste... It wasent what I expected in a 40K car. When I test drove the Lexus I fell in love with the exterior and the interior was my second love. Everything was smooth and fit perfectly, I live in Houston so 100 Degree weather is so common that the Ventilated Seats were a HUGE plus! It drove much more might a tight car but like others have said you dont feel as much in tune with the road. However, in Houston 99% of the time im in bumper to bumper traffic and would rather be in the more comfortable driving Lexus with all the amenities of it than the BMW. Now on to the G, I loved the way it drove, it felt great, ride was pretty good but the exterior already seemed dated to me, I LOVED THE SYSTEM in the G! It was GREAT! Wow... but it just did not seem to hold up in its comparision with the BMW nor with the finish or quality of a Lexus. My other main decision was based on reliability, the Lexus was at the top, the G second and BMW last. I will be driving this car for probaby 6 - 8 Years, once that Warranty goes out I dont want to have to deal with constant mainteance. Anyways, Im rambling but I think at the end of the day the best car will be up to the decision and based on the background of the driver. If I had plenty of winding roads on the way to work it would be a simple answer, BMW. But since thats not what I deal with most of the time it comes down to what I as a driver need. The G would have been my choice if I felt its resale value would increase, its gas mileage was better, and the overall quality of the car had increased grealy over the old one, however it did not increase as much as I expected it to... I just love the way the Lexus behaves in the city even though it does not handle as well as the BMW, it has so many other features that put it above the BMW when it comes to comfortable driving which is what I want when im trying to get back home after a long day at work/school. Anyways, Dont get me wrong, had I purchased any of the three cars I would have loved them all, I just felt the Lexus was the best car for -ME-. :)

— Parks (View Profile)

Posted on 12/16/2006 1:36:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

BMW SUcks.... Audi and Mercedes Rocks!!

— AgentBrabus (View Profile)

Posted on 12/18/2006 7:25:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1