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Tags: BMW 335, Lexus IS350, Infiniti G35

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It's time to drop the gloves! Which car is better-BMW 335, Lexus IS350 or Infiniti G35?
The Spies say there have never been three better cars competing for the ultimate bragging rights and all the mags have their opinions...But ask the companies who's opinion they worry most about and that would be YOURS!

We believe these are the three best cars in the segment.

They all have their pro's and con's but of the three, is there a CLEAR winner in your opinion?

These are all great cars but there can only be ONE winner.

Which one would you throw YOUR money down on?

Be sure to take your time, think it through in detail and tell us your choice.

But most importantly when you make your choice, tell us WHY you think it is the best of the three.

And what would the others have to do to get you to change your mind and pick THEIR car instead?

Or, is it a three way tie?

This should be one heated and interesting discussion...

Update 12/7/2006 - Added Poll:



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Autoegr525Autoegr525 - 12/6/2006 1:35:56 PM
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1. BMW - fastest and best handling
2. Infiniti - cheaper and more visceral than the BMW but not as luxurious or prestigous
3. Lexus - these are sports sedans, Lexus hasn't figured sport out yet.
This is my opinion don't flip out on me

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Designer1Designer1 - 12/6/2006 1:51:31 PM
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For God's sake BMW is the SLOWEST in this segment.


07mcs07mcs - 12/6/2006 1:54:36 PM
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Designer 1:

You must be referring to the 330i, the new 335i twin turbo is fast.


NARunnerNARunner - 12/6/2006 2:46:13 PMView My AgentSpace
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LexusAdmirer-

I don't know what you're smoking, but Edmunds got the Steptronic auto 335i to make the run to 60 in 4.8 seconds. Edmunds only got the IS350 to 60 in 6.1 sec and to give you the benefit of the doubt, Car and Driver (notorious for getting the fastest 0-60 times) tested the IS350 to 60 @ 5.1 sec, still 3 tenths SLOWER than the BMW...sorry, buddy.


ImportImport - 12/6/2006 3:19:29 PM
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Tough call between 1 and 2...

1. IS350, for reliability and interior
2. G35, for reliability but IMHO the interior was a little boring to me
3. 335, This interior needs an overhaul bad, the least reliable.



jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 4:03:11 PM
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NARunner, don't know what you've been smoking, but as any smart person who isn't a slave to the chronic knows...you can't compare 2 acceleration tests from 2 different sources. C&D has a very specific testing calculation for their times - which I doubt Edmunds has. Also there was some suspicion that the Edmunds test car is a ringer - not confirmed - but just a suspicion from them (they compared with a customer 335i and the boost was different).

Might as well wait for a magazine comparo for more accurate acceleration comparisons - either way, things should be very close.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 12/6/2006 6:40:48 PM
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the 335i is the fastest here and every test has proven that what other car in this class can to 0-60 in less than 5.0 seconds those are M3 numbers and rs4 numbers(except its 20,000 more) the is drives like an old heavy lexus wheres the handling here, and the infiniti just doesnt have the luxury of the other 2.....but i would say the closest car in this class to the "best in class" 335i would be the G35 its cheaper than the 325i, looks better than the is, and is probably the most aggresive out of the 3(and most unrefined) but good effort anyway....lexus go back to the drawing board a 3 series fighter has to be more than just fast and small


NARunnerNARunner - 12/6/2006 11:08:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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jpmracingf1-

read the post again ace, I compared Edmunds test of both the IS350 and the 335i. And the car may have been a ringer, but the hp and boost figures were also well within the standard deviation for production cars.

I added the bit about C&D just to further bolster my point. And also I believe that the Edmunds 335i didn't produce higher boost throughout the linear curve, but held peak boost for 1000-1500RPM above where the customer car boost trailed off.

Also, as is becoming very evident the 335i can be tuned cheaply yielding significant performance returns. Vishnu Performance Systems has developed a piggyback system for $1300 that increased the whp by 50-60. Try tuning the IS350 using non-warranty-voiding measures for $1300 and see if you get those kinds of engine gains.


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/7/2006 3:48:56 PM
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NARunner



"And the car may have been a ringer, but the hp and boost figures were also well within the standard deviation for production cars."

What is the standard deviation for production cars, Ace?

"I believe that the Edmunds 335i didn't produce higher boost throughout the linear curve, but held peak boost for 1000-1500RPM above where the customer car boost trailed off."

You do realize that the peak boost increase is where the peak HP figures are figured, right Ace?


"Also, as is becoming very evident the 335i can be tuned cheaply yielding significant performance returns."

Right, and you can tune a SRT4 for half the price of a 335i. What's the point? Obviously any turbo is more easily tunable. But then who would want a BMW without a warranty. I guess only Aces would.


NARunnerNARunner - 12/7/2006 5:33:58 PMView My AgentSpace
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Don't be a fool, jpm. I know standard deviation is a big term for you, but as the Edmunds 335i posted a max whp of 279 and the customer car put out 272, a 7 hp difference could be attributable to a production variation. It's not like the difference is 15 or 20 hp.

As for the boost, I reread the test and you were right. The Edmunds car produced .5psi higher boost than the customer car. You were right, I will give you that, my apologies.

And as for the tuning, the POINT, ace, is that as I'm sure you know a piggyback doesn't mess with the ECU in terms of changing the actual programming of it. So, in theory, the piggyback doesn't void warranty because when it is removed it leaves no evidence behind, the ECU programming is returned to normal. Therefor, for a mere $1300 you can have a car that blazes to 60 in an estimated 4.5 sec, far out of reach of the IS350. AND you still have warranty protection...ace.


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/8/2006 12:44:43 AM
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NARunner, you must be the Ace Ventura of the car world.

Vishnu only warranties the XEDE module, not your engine or turbos that will be stressed by the extra boost. If you want them to cover the engine + turbos for 4 years, it'll cost $5k+

Only a fool would add the ~50hp without upgrading the brakes. Figure another $2k. You're looking at $7k in mods that will bring a 3series with about average reliability to LOW reliability. You can debate that if you want, but only a fool would say a modded car will maintain the same reliability. BTW, Vishnu doesn't always do to well in tuner comparisons. Some of their cars don't complete a test day.

Here's an interesting quote from them: "20. What is the risk in using mods that will be detrimental to the reliability of the car?
Answer : Shiv@Vishnu"

That basically means "No comment"

If you're talking tuner cars, any number of cars will own a 3series or IS anyway (STI, EVO, previous S4, hell, even a supercharged Tiburon).

Don't play the tuner argument, if you don't know what you're talking about..."ace"


BostonBoston - 2/15/2007 6:49:48 PM
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I do not even know why are you guys having this discussion?? Do you take the original Rolex watch or the fake/copy ones when you can afford the real Rolex. Of course Lexus and Infiniti have been trying to copy BMW 3 series in decades. I choose BMW and do not even need to test drive the others since I can afford few thousand Dollars more and it is the king of the sport cars for everyday drive.

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EL34EL34 - 12/6/2006 1:40:32 PM
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The BMW is for those that are into twisties and the other two are for those that wear a pink boa.

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2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 12/7/2006 1:22:42 AM
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Notice how EL34 flipped his name around to 43LE!!EL34 are you some little punk kid,or are you just retarted???


07mcs07mcs - 12/6/2006 1:50:29 PM
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1st: BMW
Better performance and handling

2nd & 3rd: Lexus and Infiniti. In that order or reversed. Not sure, one thing is for sure, they seem to be one step below the BMW

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07mcs07mcs - 12/6/2006 1:51:31 PM
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This rating is based on their sportiness, because this category is for sport sedan. Luxury is a secondary criteria.


answeranswer - 12/6/2006 1:51:23 PMView My AgentSpace
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You can't go wrong with any of them. They share similar goals, but differ in their means of acheiving them. Whatever one you choose you will still end up with an AMAZINGLY NICE CAR.

Only a fool would deny any one of them the respect they rightfully deserve.

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Designer1Designer1 - 12/6/2006 1:53:50 PM
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I would take the IS350. Why? When it got introduced with its amazing power the other two trailed it immediately and had to catch up to it. The IS's quality is unmatched by any of the other two. Its fastest, handles better, less expensive than the BMW and on top of all that much more reliable than the other two. Such power in a car it better not break or what's the catch of having a powerful car that you get afraid to step on it for it not to break.

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adoptgreyhoundsadoptgreyhounds - 12/6/2006 2:06:38 PM
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Well you can buy anyone you want and thats your choice, but performance. The IS350 is a very good car, it won't beat a 335i or 335ia in any performance catagory.
BMW 335i- 4.9 o-60 (4.8 for the saloon)
.91 g
150 top speed
the lexus or the Infiniti can't touch it.

Handling take a is350 around a track or skidpad hell even a round a bout and it'll understeer way before the 335i.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 2:31:23 PM
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But does the handling match the performance? No. The car is very disappointing to drive (bad brakes, body roll, softness). Sheer speed is a small, one-dimensional aspect of what makes a good sport sedan.

Lexus has proved itself to be incapable of building something more multi-faceted.


BMW530iBMW530i - 12/6/2006 7:31:33 PM
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IS handles better? Where do you get these fairy tales from? Lexus Dreamland or something?

The IS handles worse than the 3-Series. Wasn't it C&D that said that the IS is lame compared to 3-Series or G35?


07mcs07mcs - 12/6/2006 1:56:35 PM
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Best looking:

IS350, then G35, then 335i

but for handling and performance 335i is tops

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senorgatosenorgato - 12/6/2006 1:57:04 PM
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Almost too close to call, but think these would be my rankings:

1. BMW - best all-around package, but interior needs spice
2. Infiniti - performance as good as the BMW, but not as refined. Love the new styling
3. Lexus - Only thing missing is handling on par with the other two. Best interior by far, except for smallish rear seats.

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golfer38golfer38 - 12/6/2006 2:02:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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Lexusadmirer,
The 335i manual is definitely faster (4.9 sec.) than the i350 manu... oh that's right they don't make one.

Maybe someday the car ENTHUSIAST mags. will do a automatic only comparison so that we can know for sure.

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NYC45NYC45 - 12/6/2006 2:07:07 PM
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I would put the Audi A4 next to them too, it just needs more power. But from this group, my choice is clear, 335i.

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jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 2:31:11 PM
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NYC45, power is a main characteristic of a proper sports sedan. Obviously you don't need supercar HP figures, but compared to this trio, the A4 is underpowered. It would be great if the A4 could make up for sluggishness with some other dynamic attribute, but it's handling and braking is not special either (mostly due to it's weight and FWD adopted to AWD chassis).


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 2:36:00 PM
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Only in FWD configuration. Because compared with these same three cars (all in AWD), the Audi came in first in a Road & Track comparison, despite having the relatively underpowered 2.0t engine.

Compared to an S4, the IS350 and G35 are easily beat in every aspect (interior quality, handling, braking, and engine).

As of yet, Lexus and Infiniti have yet to adopt a V8 RWD small sedan--Audi has proved they are more capable of designing one, USING THEIR OWN FORMULA, instead of copying from BMW as Toyota and Nissan do.


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 2:48:10 PM
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Tell me what "formula" is being copied from BMW? RWD? A 6 cylinder engine? LOL. The engine designs are totally different between all 3 companies. The same with suspension design.

Maybe Audi needs to put a V8 in a small sedan, because its V6 is so underpowered compared to everyone else (BMW, Lexus, Infiniti).


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 2:55:28 PM
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Again. I don't care about performance. So because a Lexus IS or G35 accelerates a second quicker, that's supposed to make me think they are superior cars. Take your head out your ass.

Infiniti used drafts and took design ideas from BMW in designing the G35. The IS doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in this category. All you have to do is drive one to realize that with its poor driving characteristics, it's just about as far as you can get from a sport sedan.

A number of elements factor themselves into eachother to make a great car--and the Japanese fall short, pitifully short.




jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 3:11:42 PM
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You don't care about performance? Fair enough. Please exit to the right, as performance is a key factor in discussing sports sedans.

Maybe you're just jealous that BMW is seen as the sports sedan benchmark, and no one tries to outdo Audi? Or maybe it's because the A4 came in 5th place from C&D $35k comparo. The top 3? Oh, as if I have to even mention it, 1-330i, 2-IS350, 3-G35. Heck, even an Acura TL (Accord) beat the A4!!!

Factor in the new 335i and new G35 and those would be the top 2 in the comparo and probably my top 2 choices as well. Again please stop trying to leach off the German sports sedan team, because BMW is the only player on that team. Audi is like the minor leagues.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 5:15:57 PM
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November sales figures speak for themselves. If the G35 was so great (it was out the entire month of November), why did a soon to be replaced, aging, and according to you, "underpowered" A4 still outsell it?

Here's a hint: it had nothing to do with lease specials on the base model, because the majority of A4's sold in November were equipped with Quattro.

The A4 readily outsold the G because it offers a much finer interior, superior AWD system, and greater resale value, and in 2.0t form, much more practicality and fuel efficiency (no point of an inefficient, gas guzzling 300 hp sedan when the highest speed limit is 70 mph).

How well received has the G been internationally again? Oh, that's right, NONEXISTANT, because Infiniti doesn't exist outside of the US, Canada, and Korea. And Lexus? No one takes this bloated, sloppy, and incompetant sedan seriously in Europe or abroad.

Reality check: 3-series, A4, and C-class are the players that matter. The comparison isn't even a fair one, and yet, the A4 still manages to outsell the G. Just wait until the new A4 and C come out, they will make a further mockery out of these Japanese imposters.




jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 8:24:12 PM
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Japanese imposters Audiman?

I guess you would know all about it, the A4 being a pretty nice Jetta and all.


GernbyGernby - 12/6/2006 2:18:17 PM
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Does anyone know what the G35's drivetrain actually puts to the ground? The 1st generation G35s and 350Zs were either over-rated, or lost a LOT through the drivetrain. I haven't seen an N/A 350 or G35 that hit 240 RWHP on a dyno, but my IS350 hit 278.

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audiotaudiot - 12/6/2006 2:21:01 PM
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Since performance is subjective and all 3 cars deliver it in spades, I've been looking at something a bit less sexy... ergonomic factors.

The IS350 back seats are way way too small. It really is a 2+2. For carrying people--or a rear facing car seat--it doesn't work. Why make a sedan that really is a 2+2?

The BMW really carves out a lot of interior room in the latest 3, especially in back. With fold down rear seats, you could get a lot of utility in this thing.

If you call the performance and handling a wash--which is spotting a lot to Lexus--you still have to come back to the BMW for everyday use.

If money is a big issue, you can't go wrong with Plan b... the Infiniti. They're all great cars.

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1995e341995e34 - 12/7/2006 2:34:38 PM
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i find most cars in this class are hardly more than a 2+2. you don't get much of a backseat til you buy a midsize.


G35LoverG35Lover - 12/6/2006 2:21:28 PM
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Infiniti is the leader in this comparo. This is why. 1.Great handling vehicle
- Skid pad .89 with sport package

2.Loaded with Technology
-Brake Preview
-Nav with traffic alerts and voice activation.
-Lane departure warning system.
-9.5Gb hard drive that can rip CDs.

3. Excellent value (more bag for the buck)

I really don't care about who is 2nd or 3rd.



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G35LoverG35Lover - 12/6/2006 2:28:43 PM
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BMW's interior is bland. I can't justify the over inflated price. I am sure you BMW snobs can!!

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EL34EL34 - 12/6/2006 2:31:00 PM
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Really, you don't like the all black interior with the brushed aluminum accents.

All custom looking IMHO.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 2:29:24 PM
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These kinds of questions are irrelevant. Last month who sold the most cars? BMW's 3-series by a wide margin, followed by the A4 (which sold half as many units as the 3). Despite being a new car, the G35 had poor sales, and the IS has been steadily declining.

So the answer here is the 3-series. At this price point, people want the real thing, not a Japanese imposter (and if they can't/don't want the 3, they go for the next best thing, the A/S4).



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G35LoverG35Lover - 12/6/2006 2:38:35 PM
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Where do you people get you information from?

Automobile Magazine presented the all-new Infiniti G sports sedan with a “2007 All-Star” Award, and it also captured a place on Car and Driver’s “10 Best” List.

November sales of the G sports sedan totaled 4,299, a nearly 30 percent increase over November 2005. These numbers resulted in the best-ever November for G sales, and the second best month since the G sedan was introduced in 2002.

Before making accusation about the G do some research first. nissannews.com

Please explain to me how sales are down for the G35.



jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 2:38:40 PM
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A4 the next best thing? The A4 is outclassed in every respect - underpowered, overweight, unreliable. The 3'er, at least manages average reliability. If I couldn't get a 335, it sure wouldn't be an A4 - most likely the G35. Please don't try to jump on the 'German team' with your A4 - we don't want you - and it's no coincidence, that the A4 isn't even up for consideration in this topic.

Nice try - sneaking in a S4 (which is a totally different category) for you to fall back on all the obvious performance deficiencies of the A4.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 2:51:44 PM
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Funny how an aging design like the A4 still outsold the brand new G35 and IS for the month of November, by quite a large margin.

Performance? Like people in major metro areas, where traffic is a part of everyday commute, are really going to be able to utilize 300+ horsepower on a daily basis. Stupid logic.

The 2.0t provides superb efficiency, performance, and gas mileage. Greater performance comes in the form of the 3.2, S4, or RS4. Lexus and Infiniti can't even fathom to compete at this level.

Sorry, but the people have spoken--Japanese imitation doesn't equal German engineering.


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 3:03:42 PM
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Audiman, why are you part of this discussion. Obviously vehicle sales, gas mileage, and being livable in traffic are your main concerns. By the way, I guess a Civic is better than an A4 then.

If you think 300hp is ridiculous and 200hp is the best 'compromise', then fine. But the rest of us don't. BTW, the 3.2 A4 is a dogg. I guess you are the originator of 'stupid logic', if you scoff at 300hp cars, then hail the S4 and RS4. Sorry sir, but it is you whose logic is stupid.


EL34EL34 - 12/6/2006 2:36:38 PM
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I was at the Irvine BMW dealer yesterday checking out the X5 3.0si SAV and there was a Lexus IS parked where the customers park and it looked so funny.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

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EL34EL34 - 12/6/2006 2:46:34 PM
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The salesman helping me said early in the day he helped a guy trade in his Z8 for a brand new M6.

hahahahahahahahahaha


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/6/2006 9:36:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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A salesperson at my BMW dealer (that I worked with- I don't now about the others) had an Audi TT 3.2 quattro coupe.


senorgatosenorgato - 12/6/2006 2:38:49 PM
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"Top Sales" does not equate to "Best". Remember, the Ford Taurus was the top-selling car in the US for several years running.

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G35LoverG35Lover - 12/6/2006 2:51:11 PM
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FYI...The Ford Taurus sales included FLEET to Hertz and other companies.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 5:32:04 PM
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We can use that same logic to describe Lexus.


kart1kart1 - 12/6/2006 11:02:32 PM
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Well the BMW 3 series is a best seller as well, are you going to use that logic here too. Sales don't determine good cars, yet that doesn't mean that a good car doesn't sell well.


webguywebguy - 12/6/2006 2:51:14 PM
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1.G35: I like the interior better than the 3. One could argue over button quality and other minor details, but the inside of the G blends cozy and sporty much better than the all-business 3... I would not have said that about the joke of an interior on the previous G; but the 3 has gone backwards somewhat and the G is leaps and bounds better. +1 Infiniti.

When both are equipped with a manual, the G is a half second slower, but without the use of a turbo, … and more importantly, “driving joy” is at least on par with the bimmer. I’m not counting seconds on Nurburgring, just test driving. Another +1 Infiniti...
and the final nail in the coffin: Similarly equipped, the G is about 12K cheaper than the 3, and it has a better reliability record... that’s a different price class for two cars so similar in performance and amenities. You could throw your "can’t afford a BMW" all day long. I’m going to take the 12 grand and put it into an investment that will grow instead of shrink... by the time I sell the G, I’ll be able to buy another one in cash from the growth of more wisely spent money. +2 Infiniti on this one.


2.BMW 335: The 3 is like having a hot, psychotic girlfriend. Really fun to drive when she’s in a good mood; but requires lots of maintenance and the mood swings will challenge your desire to keep her around.
It’s a better car. Yes, that’s right, its better than the G. There’s a quality to BMW mechanical engineering that goes unrivaled. It’s better looking on the outside, and drives in a more refined manner; but overall, I feel like the extra 12K I would dump on this car are going toward brand recognition. The interior is merely "acceptable," which is unacceptable for a small sedan pushing 50K; as this is where I spend all of my time. Reliability is spotty, at best. I love driving this thing, but when considered as an investment I’ll have to live with daily for another 3 years... not sure if its worth all the payments.


3. Lexus IS: Its too small. Period. Its well built, the standard-setting ML sound system is a huge plus, the ventilated seats would be huge plus on the often unbearably hot West Coast of the US, and it is the most comfortable to drive... but its too small, and Lexus simply doesn’t understand "driver’s car" yet...
The paddles: While test driving the IS350 (an ’06), I tried out the paddles. I’m doing 50 in 5th gear, I need more power so I down-shift to 4th. When I press the gas, the car DOWNSHIFTS AGAIN!! On its own. I double checked to make sure shifter was in manual mode. Yep. The paddles essentially control the auto the same way as (D-3-2-1) in older cars... this renders the paddles useless, and there is no manual option in the 350. Sorry Lexus, maybe next time.


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Agent001Agent001 - 12/6/2006 2:57:56 PMView My AgentSpace
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Kudo's to this comment!

This is the way to post...classy, informative, insightful, not mean-spirited.

You made some great points and the other posters should use your style as a template.

Great job!

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audiotaudiot - 12/6/2006 3:24:09 PM
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You make some great rational arguments.

If only rational arguments won the day in this category. They don't. Who needs a 300 hp compact sedan? It's an entry-level fantasy purchase.

If your fantasy has a dose of reality in it, then you have found a great car in the G35. But for many of us, a fantasy doesn't include buying the Japanese challenger brand. Especially since BMW has ended the horsepower gap, improved reliability and created a spacious interior. I would take a 328 over a G35 because I know myself and if I took the Infiniti for all the head-reasons you stated, I would regret it.


AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 5:29:34 PM
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You have a very selective attention span, choosing which facts to incorporate and which facts to ignore in your shortsighted arguments.

ALG ranked Audi residuals third behind BMW and Lexus, in the US.

As for power, my argument is that in this class of cars, sheer speed is not the only important variable. The BMW 330i was slower than both the IS and G35, yet outsold them both for the month of October. Reality: BMW's engineer better all around cars at every pricepoint, and people are willing to pay for it.

Reality 2: The A4 is extremely competitive in this segment, despite an aging design. Wait until the B8 comes out, I guarantee it will widen the gap even further between itself and these two Japanese knockoffs.

Reality 3: Despite Audi's so so image in the US, the brand readily trumps Infiniti and Lexus in global recognition and prestige. Most international customers wouldn't even be having this debate--they don't regard Infiniti and Lexus as true competition.

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jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 6:30:50 PM
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Audiman,

Reality #1: No one says speed is the only variable, but good power is an important variable to a SPORTS sedan. Sorry if this excludes the A4

Reality #2. You mean "lessen the gap". G35 and IS are already AHEAD of the A4. How many VW's have that same Audi engine?

Reality #3. Sort of like the same way BMW would never consider Audi any real competition.

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AUDIMAN4AUDIMAN4 - 12/6/2006 6:39:56 PM
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You really are stupid, everyone was right.

The G35 engine is shared with the 350z.
The IS engine is a modified version of the Camry engine. It somehow always manages to go back to the Camry with Toyota...I mean Lexus.

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jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 8:27:49 PM
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Right..and the A4 engine is an unmodified engine found in the Jetta, GLI, Passat. The A2 shares parts with what? The Skoda? Seat?

quality stuff there....high quality.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/6/2006 9:44:02 PMView My AgentSpace
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The A2 isn't on sale any more.

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jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/7/2006 3:51:26 PM
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I wonder why....?

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jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/7/2006 3:58:34 PM
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I wonder why....?

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/7/2006 6:24:44 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hey, I didn't like it either.

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MazmanMazman - 12/6/2006 3:24:14 PM
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Here is my take;

Lexus IS350
PROS- Great Performance,Lexus Dependability, Very Sexy Styling
CONS- Size (Too Small), Price, and a little too numb for my liking, lacks European driving flare.

BMW 335i
PROS - Twin Turbo Engine with almost no lag, amazing handling, reputation for performance.
CONS- Price, Dependability history (especially 1st year production), Styling lacks certain 3 Series traditional cues, very "blah" interior, the ultimate status seekers transportation.

Infiniti G35
PROS - Awesome performance, best V6 in the business, truly amazing sounds, size, excellent stereo, innovative technology, aggressive styling that stays true to Japanese heritage, very original (not a wannabe 3 series),Huge warranty, dependability heritage, excellent handling, best value for dollar hands down.
CONS- Lacks the status level of the BMW and Lexus, ummmm......

The 2007 G35 is my pick, truly an amazing car, shows the world that the Germans are not the kings of the neo-luxury market anymore. Once the reputation of the 3 series has been estabilished for the G35 you may very well see the crown go to this car.
What more could ask for in a sports sedan?
The Reliablity of the Lexus, and the driving pleasure of the BMW, and more of a connected feel that either the IS or the 3........and here's the best part.....its a lot less money than both of its rivals!

The 1st G35 was an awesome performance car but lacked certain appointments that held it back from being the victor. My hat goes off to Infiniti/ Nissan, they were listening and all those concerns have been addressed in the 2007.
Do the math and like myself you won't be able to justify buying anything but the G35.

Mazman

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MBKingMBKing - 12/6/2006 3:25:43 PM
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I realize why there is so much hate between audi and then everyone else. It's because no matter what audi fan boys feel they aren't enough and therefore they must argue and argue and argue so they can get some of the action, and this starts a cycle that that has no end to it. Audi fanboys need to calm down and understand that every car brings something different to the table and to say that one car is better than another car completely is ridiculous, audi fanboys, chill out and open your eyes cause it's not fun arguing over the same thing over and over again.

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audiotaudiot - 12/6/2006 3:40:36 PM
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Audi has not given the fanboys much to get excited about in the entry-level category. The A4 is currently a nice, pretty commuter car. It's no coincidence that all the buzz about Audi has come from the RS4. The fanboys are frustrated. Get us a faster A4, stat!


BMW530iBMW530i - 12/6/2006 7:38:33 PM
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Are you kidding? The Audi guys on Autospies are some of the most non-biased posters on this site. A shame the Lexus fanboys keep putting them down.


4x4ever4x4ever - 12/8/2006 1:08:29 AM
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I couldn't agree more. I think that what people forget in picking on Audi or Lexus or Infiniti is that these vehicles help up the ante in the car wars. For example, if Lexus hadn't launched the IS350, would BMW now have 300 horses? The answer to that is probably not, as it would have saved millions of R&D dollars for Bimmer to keep using current technologies. Therefore, we should appreciate the positive attributes of each car that helps build that better 335, G35 or IS350!


GTR35GTR35 - 12/6/2006 3:32:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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1. 335/G35: The 3 series is too good but the G35 has shown that you dont need to spend that much money to get as much Performance/luxory. (I like the exterior of the G35 better)

3. IS350: I dont find it as classy as the other two, despite the Lexus name. i like the performance but I really dont like the looks.



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BimmerFanBimmerFan - 12/6/2006 3:36:41 PM
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Nothing beats German engineering...Enough said.

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MazmanMazman - 12/6/2006 3:45:17 PM
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Is all that superior german engineering truly superior if it is not dependable?


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 4:12:29 PM
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As a BMW owner, I have to say that you are a MORON BimmerFan. Ignorant fanboys like you give us all a bad name. German engineering is great in many respects, but to give a blanket statement that "nothing beats German engineering...enough said" just shows you are a slave to marketing or you are very insecure.


blueice4589blueice4589 - 12/6/2006 3:38:04 PM
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Interior of the IS350, Looks of the G35, and the engine of the 335.

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MazmanMazman - 12/6/2006 3:43:54 PM
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Interior of the Lexus; yes
Looks of the G35; yes
engine of the 335?; NO
Turbos of the 335 on the G35 engine.....Now were talking!


GermanNutGermanNut - 12/6/2006 3:51:51 PM
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It just so happens that Audi is the third highest selling premium brand in the world behind BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

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cyniccynic - 12/6/2006 4:03:12 PM
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It's funny when we talk about sales in the premium segment. I am curious to know what the numbers look like when you take out the lower version models, e.g.
Mercedes A class and base C class, BMW 1 series or base 3 series, Audi A3 base series. I would certainly not consider these lower end models are premium. Also, I would take out taxi and fleet sales.


jpmracingf1jpmracingf1 - 12/6/2006 4:18:24 PM
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Your point? The Audi A2 is the worst car on this planet. The A6 is a dog. The TT is a fashion statement from the Golf platform (hopefully the new one performs better). The A4 really needs some updates. I really like the A8 and the S lines, though. All in all, a far cry from the level of BMW (despite their 'questionable' styling on some models).


Loki123Loki123 - 12/6/2006 3:55:51 PM
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